Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #masakism, 2013-04-30

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08:18 Topic for #masakism is now https://gist.github.com/masak/5431185 -- logs at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/masakism/today
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10:10 newguy_ Hello
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10:14 sohaeb when is the tutorial going to be at ?!
10:16 moritz please see https://gist.github.com/masak/5431185#when
10:17 newguy_ I always wanted to learn perl, but I never had the time to do so. So, as someone who has seen very, very little of pearl code, is this workshop for me? probably not, right?
10:18 moritz it's certainly worth a try
10:19 newguy_ Very well, I'll do as you said. Thank you, see you tomorrow.
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10:27 masak moritz++
10:28 masak hm, could somebody op me? :)
10:28 masak I should probably set up channel rights before I regret not doing so...
10:31 moritz let's hilight timotimo, maybe he'll op you, masak :-)
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15:36 masak -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- #masakism is now registered to masak.
15:36 masak seems appropriate :)
15:51 Mithaldu surprised you didn't already do that ;)
15:52 masak to be honest, I pictured us as being perhaps a ragtag group of five... :)
15:52 masak not twenty.
15:53 Mithaldu haha, i hope it still works well :D
15:53 masak we'll see :)
15:54 masak I've been trying to distribute what can realistically be distrbuted.
15:56 Mithaldu beowulf workshop
15:56 Mithaldu everyone teaches for ten minutes
15:57 masak :)
15:57 Mithaldu (at the same time)
15:58 PerlJam almost T-24 hours
15:59 masak heh, PerlJam++ beat me to it ;)
15:59 PerlJam you can say it definitively in a few seconds
15:59 PerlJam :)
16:00 masak T minus 24 hours.
16:00 masak :P
16:02 PerlJam I'm glad there are nicks here that I don't recognize.  (if it was just the same crowd from #perl6 or so, I don't think it would be "successful" (whatever that means))
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16:05 isBEKaml OHHAI, what's up? any changes/updates? (no public logs avbl, so...)
16:05 masak isBEKaml: just us chickens.
16:06 Mithaldu isBEKaml: not much for now and i'll be logging what happens
16:06 Mithaldu if perlgeek doesn't recover i'll send my logs to masak after the fact
16:06 masak ++Mithaldu
16:06 isBEKaml Mithaldu: great, thanks!
16:07 isBEKaml masak: mosachastic chickens. :P
16:09 * masak will never think of "tender chicken" quite the same again
16:16 isBEKaml masak: Sorry, I didn't mean to kill any jokes, they are supposed to live!
16:23 masak isBEKaml: oh, same here ;)
16:24 d^_^b masak: so just get the latest rakudo?
16:24 masak yeah.
16:34 d^_^b alright.
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16:59 Guest66708 I've been following Perl 6 for a long time, (I have a copy of "Perl 6 and Parrot Essentials"
17:00 Guest66708 Somewhere, the discussion got away from me.
17:01 Guest66708 Perl 6 wandered off into compiler-writer land, with a side order of Object-Oriented Theory.
17:03 Guest66708 That makes it a seriously large concept to grasp all at once.
17:06 Guest66708 I think we need a layered approach, from simple (equivalent to early Perl 5), to advanced, through OOP,
17:06 Guest66708 to language-designer land.
17:07 Guest66708 That way, people can go as far as they need (or can handle), and bale out with a useful set of concepts.
17:09 Guest66708 It will probably mean circling through some concepts several times, in increasing detail or depth each time.
17:21 masak hello, Guest66708, and thanks for your insightful suggestions about tomorrow's agenda ;)
17:22 Guest66708 You're welcome; has the day yielded a rakudobug yet? :-)*
17:25 masak heh -- no, I've been teaching today, not playing with Perl 6. :)
17:46 Mithaldu Guest66708: you should try entering /nick YourNickHere
17:47 Guest66708 I came back to IRC after a hiatus when a machine died, and I couldn't get the ones I'd been using to work.
17:48 Guest66708 I have very little experience with IRC, don't know the theory, and didn't want to waste anyone's time.
17:51 masak well, as Mithaldu said, it could be as easy as "/nick <some nice nick>"
18:01 masak T minus 22 hours.
18:02 Guest66708 What's your current offset from Zulu?
18:07 masak I'm on +02:00 here. so it's currently 20:06 where I am.
18:07 masak I should quickly add though that my current time zone doesn't factor into how much time remains until the start of the workshop :)
18:08 isBEKaml yeah, T-22 is fairly relatively absolute measure of time left. :)
18:10 Guest66708 Just wanted to know where you were in your day.
18:11 masak just had supper :) yummy ginger chicken and rice
18:11 isBEKaml Guest66708: come on, masak is still here somewhere. :)
18:36 GlitchMr http://olive.undo.it/perl6/masak0430.txt
18:36 GlitchMr Lame backup of logs
18:37 GlitchMr Modify the file name for other days.
18:37 GlitchMr Doesn't appear that perlgeek works right now, so providing the logs.
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18:40 GlitchMr It's lame hack (based on symbolic links), because too lazy to write and run an application
18:40 Mithaldu GlitchMr: two people logging is a good thing :) (i'm also doing it)
18:42 GlitchMr Still, I prefer perlgeek logs.
18:44 Mithaldu yeah, would be nice if they worked
18:44 GlitchMr Because what I have are raw ZNC logs.
18:45 GlitchMr http://olive.undo.it/perl6/masak0425.txt
18:45 GlitchMr "Actually, I have no idea why I joined, considering the channel has logs, but whatever."
18:45 GlitchMr heh
18:54 isBEKaml oh, the irony. :)
18:54 isBEKaml masak: what do you intend to cover as part of FP concepts? FP from first principles?
18:55 isBEKaml that would be too big to cover for a single 4 hr session. :)
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18:58 timotimo FP from FP?
18:58 isBEKaml timotimo: :) Functional Programming from First Principles. Damn, now I had to type that out. :|
19:00 timotimo no, i was just suggesting a better shortening
19:01 isBEKaml FP4mFP. Better? :)
19:01 timotimo "fourm" instead of "for"? wow.
19:02 masak isBEKaml: I expct there to be much informed and interesting discussion on such topics.
19:02 masak simbabque: true, not everything can be covered in 4 hours.
19:02 masak oops, mistab.
19:02 masak isBEKaml: but there will be plenty of skilled people here who can shed light on things.
19:03 timotimo mhh, light shed painting?
19:04 isBEKaml masak: yeah, I'm much more concerned about NOT introducing things in a firehose fashion. Not that I'm new to FP.
19:05 masak isBEKaml: we won't really be topic-based; that's just what people expect in a workshop abstract.
19:05 masak isBEKaml: we'll be exercise-based and code-based.
19:05 masak if that makes any sense.
19:05 masak oh, and we passed "T minus 21 hours" five minutes ago :)
19:06 isBEKaml masak: I don't know :) I've never been part of any workshop so far.
19:07 masak "so, I can do what I want, as long as I code and discuss code with the others here?" -- "yes."
19:07 masak basically. :)
19:07 isBEKaml Okay, I've been meaning to write up some graph module in perl6. :)
19:08 isBEKaml tomorrow might just lay the foundation for that work. :)
19:08 masak \o/
19:08 masak I'd be delighted to help with that.
19:08 masak (reviewing code, discussing APIs, etc)
19:09 isBEKaml sure, all help welcome. My perl6fu is rather sketchy at the moment. I hope they'll iron themselves out over time.
19:11 Guest66708 I've been trying to find a suitable source of examples for Perl 6, graduated in difficulty.
19:11 Farow For some reason I thought Wednesday was today.
19:12 Guest66708 First, I tried "Mastering Algorithms in Perl", but that foundered on all sorts of missing modules.
19:12 Farow masak will you notify us before you start?
19:12 isBEKaml Farow: depends on where you live. :) It's wednesday where I am.
19:13 Guest66708 So, I backed off to the New Testament ("The C Programming Language", 2nd Ed), but that had a lot of character handling, which is hardly Perl's strength.
19:14 Guest66708 Any other ideas for suitable sources of problems?
19:14 isBEKaml There's always Euler.
19:15 Guest66708 ?
19:15 isBEKaml http://projecteuler.net/
19:18 Guest66708 Absolutely the opposite of what we need. If you're trying to teach a language, the examples should be about the point you're trying to explain, not a test of the student's algorithmic imagination.
19:18 masak Farow: I'm cointing down hour by hour. do you need more notification than that? :)
19:19 masak Guest66708: check out Rosetta Code.
19:19 Farow If I'm playing a game or doing something other than watching this channel, there's a chance I might miss it.
19:19 isBEKaml Guest66708: Oh, I didn't know you were asking for that. I just went by "graduated in difficulty" - which is somewhat true for Euler problems.
19:19 masak Farow: how would you like to be notified, apart from on this channel?
19:20 isBEKaml Guest66708: RC might be what you were looking for - it's split by tasks in a cookbook sort of a manner.
19:21 Guest66708 I've taught a course where the examples depended on the students' programming cunning. It was written by an academic: their purpose is to wash out students, not teach them.
19:23 Farow Mentioning my name would be nice cause a notification will popup.
19:23 PerlJam masak: clearly you should collect everyone's cell phone numbers and text them 1 hour and 30 min. before.     ;-)
19:23 Farow Or a pm/notice
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19:25 PerlJam Farow: why should the burden be on masak for this?  You know when it will be; you probably have access to a clock and some means to set an alarm
19:25 masak channel! could you collectively help me remember to wake Farow up before the workshop? he might be playing a game or something ;)
19:28 d^_^b so from a layman perspective, what needs to happen for perl6 to be "finished" and people start using it? Just something short an sweet answer.
19:29 isBEKaml masak: can you put the link to the current time in all TZs in /topic?
19:29 isBEKaml masak: until the hour of the workshop, ofcourse.
19:30 PerlJam d^_^b: a definition of "finished" that people can agree on and achievement of that standard.
19:31 PerlJam d^_^b: people are using it now btw; so we're half way there!
19:32 Topic for #masakism is now https://gist.github.com/masak/5431185 -- logs at http://irclog.perlgeek.de/masakism/today -- http://everytimezone.com/#2013-5-1,240,6bj
19:32 GlitchMr And, I have to admit. Perl 6 is acceptably fast now.
19:32 d^_^b PerlJam: thought we have to reinvent the wheel/port modules to use Perl6 syntax
19:32 GlitchMr It worked while I was making a wiki in Perl 6.
19:32 GlitchMr The only real thing which stops me is huge RAM usage. My VPS doesn't have much RAM...
19:32 Guest66708 The biggest obstacle I see, (which doesn't necessarily mean it's really the biggest), is the time it takes to load.
19:33 GlitchMr [glitchmr@pineapple ~]$ time perl6 -e ""
19:33 GlitchMr real0m0.491s
19:33 GlitchMr Half of the second on my PC
19:33 GlitchMr And it doesn't even have fast CPU.
19:33 Guest66708 On a machine where Perl 5 loads imperceptibly fast, Perl 6 is noticceably slow to load.
19:33 Guest66708 Of course, "first you get good, then you get fast".
19:33 PerlJam yep, that's my main desire from a Perl 6 implementation--speed
19:34 GlitchMr I actually wonder wonder how fast Perl 6 would load on my VPS, considering it has SSD hard drive, and 13GHz CPU.
19:34 PerlJam It doesn't have to be super fast, just not noticable-to-the-human-eye slow.
19:34 GlitchMr (well, ok, 4 cores CPU, but still)
19:34 d^_^b actually speed isn't my concern, I just want something usable. :D
19:34 PerlJam d^_^b: usable for what purpose?
19:34 Guest66708 Once the compiler's loaded, the execution appears acceptible.
19:34 PerlJam d^_^b: it's usable for many things today.
19:35 GlitchMr I actually think that Perl 5 is slow.
19:35 isBEKaml GlitchMr: on a quadcore i3, it's 16ms # time perl6 -e ''
19:35 GlitchMr Especially with lots of modules.
19:35 Guest66708 s/tib/tab/
19:35 d^_^b PerlJam: currently just mostly SQLite DB stuff.
19:35 GlitchMr isBEKaml, interesting. I'm using a computer with rather slow CPU, so well...
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19:35 GlitchMr cpu MHz: 800.000
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19:36 isBEKaml GlitchMr: I was on a PIII before this. It was agony. :)
19:39 GlitchMr As long I can do anything on this computer, it's fine for me.
19:39 GlitchMr Perl 6 works rather fast on it anyway.
19:39 isBEKaml Well, that was over an year ago.
19:39 GlitchMr Perl 6 is faster and faster.
19:39 GlitchMr And I think that JVM version is faster than Perl 5.
19:40 d^_^b sorry to sound dump, but I read a little about the JVM so what is the "JVM" and what is it used for?
19:41 masak it's the Java Virtual Machine.
19:41 isBEKaml JVM - Java Virtual Machine. It runs compiled java bytecode.
19:41 masak runs not just Java, but Groovy, Scala, Clojure, and ports of Ruby and Python.
19:41 d^_^b right, but respect to perl6
19:41 masak it's still that. :)
19:41 d^_^b and rakudo
19:41 GlitchMr Well, it also runs Perl 6 ;-).
19:41 GlitchMr Just like it could run Python.
19:41 d^_^b hmm
19:41 isBEKaml d^_^b: there's port of rakudo in the works, to make it run on the JVM.
19:42 d^_^b so once we get that will make running perl6 faster for one right what else?
19:42 GlitchMr Considering that now most of porting job is to remove pir::, the first working release is coming soon.
19:42 isBEKaml and call in all java folks.
19:43 Guest66708 How many people here are familiar with the history of PL/1?
19:43 GlitchMr Well, it will still initialize slowly. Because JVM initializes slowly.
19:43 isBEKaml GlitchMr: that's only until it hits hotspot, which is an one-time cost for long running processes.
19:44 GlitchMr heh, my Minecraft server wastes like 50% of CPU after it initialized, but after few minutes, it goes down to 0.1% of CPU.
19:46 GlitchMr Probably related to Hotspot, I guess.
19:47 isBEKaml yes
19:48 PerlJam Guest66708: are yo about to tell us some doom from not learning from history?  ;)
19:48 isBEKaml Okay, time for me to nod off :) See ya tomorrow!
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19:49 Guest66708 No, but it's a useful example.
19:51 masak Guest66708: please elaborate.
19:51 GlitchMr Then again, while slow loading times are acceptable for servers, and stuff, I'm not that sure about using Perl 6 in UNIX shell (for piping, and stuff).
19:51 PerlJam Guest66708: what masak said
19:51 GlitchMr Perl 5 works rather well as awk/sed replacement. But Perl 6 is too slow for that.
19:51 masak GlitchMr: I think many would have higher demands on server-ware too.
19:52 masak GlitchMr: saying that Perl 6 is "acceptable for servers" is misleading, IMHO.
19:52 Guest66708 PL/1 was supposed to be the One Language To Rule Them All. IBM took the worst features of COBOL and Fortran, rolled them into a ball, and tried to implement it.
19:53 GlitchMr Perl 6 running on Android could be interesting. But the RAM usage makes it rather difficult.
19:53 Guest66708 It also had all sorts of options built in, and IBM just couldn't make the consequent monster work.
19:53 GlitchMr I don't even care if Perl 6 would waste most of RAM. But not every device has enough RAM for even that.
19:54 Guest66708 They finally solved the problem by nailing down a subset, implemented that, and gradually built on it.
19:54 GlitchMr People already ported lots of dynamic programming languages (and Java) to Android.
19:54 Guest66708 (Much the same process got their OS/360 off the ground.)
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19:56 masak Guest66708: well, we *are* iterating on implementable features in Perl 6. and we have been for years.
19:56 GlitchMr I'll admit it. I'm not even a good programmer. I'm just a computer user, which is interested in using his computer for interesting things ;-).
19:58 Guest66708 Understood, but the lesson I'm trying to draw from that is that it might be possible to define a reasonable subset of the desired goal,  make it work, and declare that as 1.0
19:59 Guest66708 The problem is to do so in a way that does not compromise developments. ("Painting into a corner".)
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20:00 GlitchMr Giving OPs to guest... ok...
20:00 Guest66708 Then we don't look like the "Duke Nukem" of languages, or decline into irrelevance.
20:00 masak Guest66708: there has been talk about creating a new perl6-* list for freezing the spec in the way you propose.
20:00 masak I think it was moritz++ who mentioned that idea.
20:00 GlitchMr Guest66708, as far I know, Perl 6 team wants to make a project that wouldn't be rushed.
20:01 masak T minus 20 hours.
20:01 GlitchMr Unlike, you know, JavaScript - done in 10 days.
20:01 GlitchMr Pushed into browser because first draft was good enough.
20:01 lizmat or XS, done in a few days as well
20:02 masak yes, but there is interest in producing a stable 6.0.0 spec as well.
20:03 GlitchMr Perl 6 will be stable someday. But I don't think people would want a product that is unusable. Duke Nukem Forever was unplayable.
20:04 GlitchMr But perhaps it's because 3D Realms constantly changed the plans for Duke Nukem Forever...
20:05 masak big parts of the spec are already very stable.
20:05 masak that's why we have the liquid/slushy/solid distinction.
20:06 Guest66708 Is there a big enough floe to constitute a useful language without precluding further development/
20:06 masak Guest66708: I don't think there is anything Perl 6 can do at this point to not look like the "Duke Nukem Forever" of languages. then again, I'm not sure why that should be a goal. I just want to help create a nice, usable programming language.
20:08 GlitchMr When Perl 6 will be finally stable, I doubt people will care that it took 15 years (or more) to release.
20:08 lizmat masak++
20:09 GlitchMr Besides, the implementations already mostly work.
20:10 GlitchMr There are still few rough edges (mostly in concurrency), but other than that, Rakudo Perl already implements most of specification.
20:11 Guest66708 How easy is it to draw a line around that, and start developing training material with a reasonable certainty that they will remain correct?
20:13 * masak suggests you take this discussion to #perl6
20:13 masak ..where more people can listen in, and contribute
20:13 * masak op lizmat
20:14 d^_^b masak: sorry didn't mean to start a flame war, troll, just I like reading about rakudo and all the effort just I don't know enough about p6, I just want to start buildign stuff in it.
20:15 masak s'ok.
20:15 Guest66708 I wanted to make a modest proposal with a modest audience, in case it was nonsense.
20:15 PerlJam d^_^b: What's holding you back from building stuff in it?
20:18 d^_^b PerlJam: well I need DBI type module other than that just normal p5 stuff
20:19 masak https://github.com/perl6/DBIish/
20:19 PerlJam d^_^b: there are MiniDBI and DBIish on modules.perl6.org
20:20 d^_^b hmm
20:21 d^_^b hmm no sql server support.
20:21 d^_^b can I do inline p5 in p6?
20:22 lizmat FROGGS is working on that
20:22 d^_^b hmmm
20:27 labster I'm wondering if I'm going to end up learning more Perl 5 than Perl 6 here.
20:28 labster I never had the need to write even a lowly class in P5, and now I have written a few classes and modules in P6.
20:32 PerlJam labster: you can do all of that Perl 6 stuff in Perl 5 too, you just need to use some modules and the syntax is all different.   But it's basically the same   ;-)
20:33 labster I hear 'use Moose;' is mandatory these days.
20:34 PerlJam or "use Moo;" if you don't need so much meta
20:35 felher masak: I just saw you gave me ops. I would have said 'thanks' earlier, but I have overlooked it. So thanks now :)
20:36 masak :)
20:37 masak rule is, if you're a regular on #perl6, you get opped here.
20:37 felher masak: sounds fair :)
20:42 d^_^b oh oh
20:42 d^_^b /joins p6
20:42 d^_^b :D
20:47 felher :D
20:50 Guest66708 Is there a guide to IRC etiquette somewhere? I'm feeling like a yokel.
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20:52 lizmat Guest66708: you could start by setting a more descriptive /nick  :-)
20:53 Guest66708 That's a separate problem.
20:53 Farow Probably, someone has made it.
20:54 Farow But in general, don't pm people without permission.
20:54 Farow Many people hate /away too.
20:55 Guest66708 Have I done either of those things?
20:56 PerlJam Guest66708: you've been doing fine as far as I can tell.
20:57 PerlJam Guest66708: you don't write with a funny accent, you're not annoying, you're not using excessive punctuation or hitting carriage return every 3rd word, etc.   :-)
20:59 masak Guest66708: just be civil as you would be AFK. that gets you very far.
20:59 masak Guest66708: as PerlJam said, you've been doing fine so far :)
20:59 masak Guest66708: but I second lizmat's request for a better nick than Guest*
20:59 pmichaud and we try to be especially nice here, so we'll try to let you know if you're crossing a boundary
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21:01 wesjdj Hi, wanted to say I'd like to participate tomorrow
21:01 masak wesjdj: cool!
21:01 masak T minus 19 hours.
21:01 PerlJam wesjdj: T-19 hours (if my math isn't off)
21:01 PerlJam :)
21:01 wesjdj 5 PM my time, nice :)
21:02 Guest66708 Thanks, but I still wish there was an FM for IRC that I could RT.
21:03 PerlJam Guest66708: s/RT/R/  ;)
21:04 masak Guest66708: thing is, I've seen many etiquette guidelines for other channels... and we simply don't tend to do much of that over at #perl6.
21:05 PerlJam masak: probably because we already have a culture of niceness and have never needed one.
21:05 masak Guest66708: we expect people to collaborate and be helpful. if they don't, we debug them to try to find a hurt point.
21:05 masak Guest66708: if that doesn't work (in the remaining 1% cases), we jettison them.
21:06 masak Guest66708: a typical silly rule that we don't have is "don't ask to ask". some communities are offended when people ask if they can ask a question.
21:06 masak Guest66708: another silly rule we don't have is "don't abbreviate 'thanks'". some communities consider it offensive when people write "thx" or "tx".
21:06 masak or "thks".
21:06 masak or "3q" :P
21:08 masak Guest66708: we also don't get angry if people mention Python, PHP, or Java. we also don't get upset when people say Perl or Perl 6 sucks.
21:08 Tene Farow: By /away do you mean changing your nick or sending a message to announce your status, or do you mean setting an actual AWAY status, as in RFC1459?
21:09 Tene I've never heard people complain about /away except in referencing it as a better alternative to changing nick to indicate status or sending announcements.
21:09 Farow The former.
21:09 PerlJam yeah, it's the auto-away notices that are annoying
21:09 masak yeah.
21:09 masak last week, I banned someone who kept-auto-rejoining.
21:09 * PerlJam-away is away right now
21:09 Farow I've seen a website dedicated to hating the /away messages.
21:10 Tene Are there clients where /away defaults to changing a nick or sending notices instead of sending an AWAY?
21:10 Farow And I find it annoying too.
21:10 Farow It sends the messages to every channel you're in. :/
21:12 Farow Don't know, maybe I meant the away status. Basically I see an away message which usually contains a reason as to why someone's away.
21:12 Farow It looks like a /me
21:12 PerlJam aye
21:13 Tene Yes, my understanding is that that's usually some plugin or script, and /away just sets normal RFC1459 AWAY status.
21:15 Farow Tene I'm using KVIrc.
21:16 Guest66708 Thanks for the reference to RFC1459; that's probably what I'm seeking.
21:16 Tene Come to think of it, I've only used one IRC client for the past ten years, so I wouldn't trust my intuition to be very generalizable.  ;)
21:17 Farow So what client are you using?
21:17 felher Farow: I just changed my away status using the normal /away command, without any plugins altering default behavior. Did you notice anything?
21:17 Farow No.
21:19 Tene irssi
21:19 PerlJam Tene: and before that you used ircII ?
21:19 felher Farow: I use weechat (http://weechat.org/) btw, and used irssi before that .
21:19 Tene You'll get the away message included in /whois, you'll receive a notification with the away message if you /msg the person, and some clients notice the away status and change the nick list to indicate away status.
21:20 Tene PerlJam: Before that I didn't use irc, mostly.
21:20 PerlJam Tene: oh, you must have been *so* productive back then  ;)
21:20 Tene Heh heh heh.
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21:21 d^_^b PerlJam: I might have to write up a small script to test out p6. when is the estimated completion of rakudo to JVM port?
21:22 PerlJam d^_^b: um ... when it's done?
21:23 PerlJam d^_^b: only jnthn will have the definitive answer to that one I think.  (but my answer is still pretty good :)
21:23 Tene d^_^b: I'd personally guess probably 2013
21:23 Tene Assuming nothing unusual comes up
21:24 d^_^b ahh. 2013 christmas? hehe sorry
21:24 masak I know jnthn wants it ready by the conference season.
21:24 d^_^b like yapc?
21:24 masak yeah.
21:24 d^_^b wow
21:24 d^_^b that would be great though.
21:25 masak that's *not* a promise. :)
21:25 masak and there will be degrees of "ready", as always.
21:25 d^_^b first heard in #masakism
21:25 felher good night, good people :)
21:38 pmichaud Official answer is that we're not making any estimates about when rakudo on jvm might be available.
21:38 pmichaud and there are various levels of "completion"
21:39 masak pmichaud++
21:39 pmichaud "runs", "passes some spectest", "passes all tests that rakudo/parrot passes", "passes all tests", "passes tests and runs well", etc.
21:59 mohij Hi masak. I'll show up for the workshop tomorrow/today. And hey, thanks for the opportunity.
22:00 masak T minus 18 hours.
22:00 masak mohij: \o/
22:00 mohij :-)
22:01 masak mohij: I added you here: https://github.com/perl6/mu/​wiki/perl6-workshop-may-2013
22:01 masak it's nice to have a participant starting with an 'm'. we were missing that so far.
22:01 masak I'm going to get some sleep. see you tomorrow, #masakism ;)
22:02 mohij good night
22:03 mohij phew, just in time...
23:36 rzm masak: could you add me to the list? I'll be here for the workshop :)
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