Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #metacpan, 2014-05-29

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15:25 FROGGS hi, a Perl 6 module shows up on metacpan when it should not
15:25 FROGGS it is not in 02packages.txt for example
15:25 FROGGS this --> https://metacpan.org/release/JONATHAN/NativeCall-v1
15:25 dipsy [ NativeCall-v1 - - metacpan.org ]
15:25 FROGGS how should we handle this?
15:51 oalders FROGGS: how did you find it?
15:53 oalders the browse page is pretty messed up https://metacpan.org/source/JONATHAN/NativeCall-v1
15:53 dipsy [ Search the CPAN - metacpan.org ]
15:54 alh http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/J/JO/JONATHAN/Perl6/
15:54 dipsy [ Index of /authors/id/J/JO/JONATHAN/Perl6 ]
15:54 alh Neat
15:55 BinGOs https://metacpan.org/search?q=NativeCall not listed
15:55 dipsy [ Search for "NativeCall" - metacpan.org ]
15:55 BinGOs https://metacpan.org/author/JONATHAN not listed
15:55 dipsy [ Jonathan Worthington (JONATHAN) - metacpan.org ]
15:57 FROGGS I found it due to the recent uploads page I think
15:58 FROGGS ohh hmmm, that page should also list a .meta: http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/J/JO/JONATHAN/Perl6/
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16:15 oalders FROGGS: so, the module was uploaded to CPAN, so it will show up.  i think that's OK.
16:15 oalders you won't be able to search for it
16:16 oalders but the default behaviour is to index everything
16:18 FROGGS okay, if that is okay for metacpan, then it is okay for me I think :o)
16:19 oalders :)
16:19 oalders we should fix some the display when you try to brows the dist, though
16:19 oalders *browse
16:21 FROGGS yeah, but feels like lowest priority evar :o)
16:38 oalders :)
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17:27 metacpan [metacpan-client] reneeb opened pull request #9: Get pod for modules (master...reneeb_test) http://git.io/NSXNqA
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17:27 dipsy [ Get pod for modules by reneeb · Pull Request #9 · CPAN-API/metacpan-client · GitHub ]
17:41 haarg https://metacpan.org/release/FROGGS/Inline-v1 yeah this is going to get confusing
17:41 dipsy [ Inline-v1 - - metacpan.org ]
17:43 FROGGS haarg: right, this was another test for the Perl 6 indexer
17:43 FROGGS I mean, it is good that these do not show up ins searching or on the author's page
17:44 haarg well the problem is that currently everything assumes that the dist name is meaningful as a unique identifier, because even though that's wrong it's more useful than not doing it
17:44 haarg but that means perl6 stuff is currently sharing the same 'namespace' as perl5 stuff unless things are changed
17:45 FROGGS yeah :/
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20:38 trs is anyone else always mixing up what color of ++ button means "you favorited this" vs. "others favorited this"?
20:38 trs in my head they should be reversed.
20:39 trs obviously doing that now would probably be a bit like switching what side of the road a country drives on.
20:40 jibsheet ~/o Keep to the right Svensson o/~
20:40 oalders it took me a long time to get the colours right
20:40 oalders (in my head)
20:42 oalders we could take the ++ away from the button in the case where you've already made this a favourite
20:42 oalders because a subsequent click is the reverse anyway
20:43 oalders or use a word like github with star/unstar
20:44 trs basically I'd rather the orange was a bright, eye-catching indicator that "hey, you've favorited this"
20:44 jibsheet we're switching the stupid S on rt.cpan.org / rt.perl.org to be words probably, since nobody knows what the S means
20:44 trs oalders: taking the ++ away might be nice.
20:46 oalders the problem with eye-catching is just choosing the right colour
20:46 oalders since red and green don't work for everyone
20:46 oalders but they'd be obvious choices
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20:59 trs oalders: right, orange is eye catching but it means "others favorited this, but not you"
20:59 trs :)
20:59 oalders :)
20:59 trs when it's blue because you favorited already, the button blends in with the breadcrumbs
21:01 oalders it's tough. relying solely on colour for the meaning isn't helpful
21:02 trs ... to everyone.  it's still helpful.
21:02 trs I agree other indicators are also necessary.
21:03 trs "I wish the current meaning of the colors was reversed" doesn't imply I don't want to see other changes :)
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21:55 tobyink http://buzzword.org.uk/2014/plus-plus-mockup.png
21:56 tobyink http://buzzword.org.uk/2014/plus-plus-mockup.xcf ... if it helps
21:58 tobyink The one on the right is supposed to be "I haven't plusplussed this" if it wasn't obvious.
21:59 tobyink Perhaps people have gotten too used to the orange meaning "I haven't plusplussed this", so reversing its meaning might not be a great idea.
22:04 tobyink OK so if we assume that any change which reversed the meanings of orange and blue would confuse people already familiar with the current button, the obvious choice is to abandon both orange and blue!
22:04 tobyink http://buzzword.org.uk/2014/plus-plus-mockup-2.png
22:04 tobyink http://buzzword.org.uk/2014/plus-plus-mockup-2.xcf
22:05 tobyink oalders, trs: ^^^^
22:07 oalders tobyink: something like that would work for me. will the second work for people with red green colour blindness?
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22:07 tobyink of course it would - there's no red in it!
22:07 oalders :)
22:07 tobyink people can with red/green colour blindness can still see red and green things - they just have difficulty telling them apart.
22:08 oalders ah, ok.
22:08 oalders personally i think the green is clearer
22:08 tobyink IIRC the second most common form of colourblindness is orange/blue!
22:08 oalders heh
22:13 mst why can't we use a -brighter- colour to make it clear it's ++ed
22:13 mst I mean, make it look like it's backlist, sort of thing
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23:29 trs we could.

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