Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #metacpan, 2015-03-06

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14:14 metacpan [github-meets-cpan] oalders closed pull request #9: oalders/carton (master...oalders/carton) http://git.io/xjtk
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14:14 metacpan [github-meets-cpan] oalders pushed 12 new commits to master: http://git.io/xjtI
14:14 metacpan github-meets-cpan/master 902f34f Olaf Alders: Adds cpanfile.
14:14 metacpan github-meets-cpan/master 862e847 Olaf Alders: Keep up with Mojo method name changes.
14:14 metacpan github-meets-cpan/master a867034 Olaf Alders: Move app directory up one level.
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14:49 Mithaldu ranguard: i'm a bit grumbly about the github link ticket, not because you closed it, but because your closing comment indicates you missed the actual reason i was complaining about (the location of said link)
15:11 ranguard Mithaldu: remind me the ticket number?
15:11 Mithaldu ranguard: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/issues/1263#event-247054258
15:12 * ranguard as scanning issues... reading now
15:13 ranguard s/as/was/
15:14 ranguard oh, so renaming 'feedback' to 'report issues about metacpan' or something (making sure it's not mixed up with report issues about this module) ?
15:14 Mithaldu renaming it to Bug Tracker would help a little, yeah
15:15 Mithaldu i'd still prefer there to be a global "github here yo" thing to promote participation as much as possible
15:15 Mithaldu but renaming is a step in the right dierction
15:15 Mithaldu maybe even
15:15 Mithaldu rename from "Feedback" to "Github / Bug Tracker"
15:17 ranguard Mithaldu: pull request :) ?
15:17 Mithaldu ranguard: that's a word!
15:17 Mithaldu 5 minutes
15:19 ribasushi um... <Mithaldu> i'd still prefer there to be a global "github here yo" thing to promote participation
15:19 ribasushi the question really is - do the metacpan devs want this sort of thing?
15:20 ribasushi (there are valid reasons to not want it prominently)
15:20 Mithaldu ribasushi: given the frequency by which i hear "patch welcome", yes
15:20 Mithaldu though i am of course open to being corrected
15:20 ranguard participation yes, more issues we don't have enough people to fix no - hard to balance I guess
15:21 Mithaldu i mean, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't thing
15:21 Mithaldu if people don't see easily that they can provide patches quickly and easily, then they won't think to do it
15:21 Mithaldu but you also cannot put that in front of their eyes without putting the bug tracker there too
15:29 oalders i've always wanted a github link to be more visible
15:29 Mithaldu oalders: i'm thinking this could be resolved by adding icons to the top bar?
15:30 oalders Mithaldu: i think so. the main thing we want to avoid is people opening issues on metacpan-web for some random module
15:30 oalders that used to happen quite a bit
15:30 oalders so it has to be really obvioius
15:30 Mithaldu haha
15:30 oalders people still send pull requests to gitpan modules
15:30 oalders it's bizarre
15:30 Mithaldu well, it happens when people are in a hurry
15:30 oalders yep
15:31 Mithaldu nothing against ranguard here, but note how he closed my ticket with a resolution that is actually counter to my actual issue :)
15:32 oalders well, it's good if people push back on stuff that they care about
15:32 Mithaldu ok, now to figure out how to change that text!
15:32 Mithaldu true
15:32 * ranguard takes no offence, and it's actually got the discussion going again and your doing a pull request, so I think it's a win :)
15:32 * ranguard will be closing more tickets soon ;)
15:34 Mithaldu ranguard: "Just as planned! *fingersteeple*"
15:34 ranguard mwahh haa haaa haaaaaaaa
15:36 Mithaldu ranguard, oalders: how do you feel about reusing icons from the left-hand bar for the top menu bar?
15:36 Mithaldu also, where did the icons for the left-hand bar come from?
15:37 oalders reusing is fine, i think
15:38 * ranguard isn't sure, if they are currently used against a dist/module, it's a bit odd to also have them at the top of the page but for something completly different
15:38 Mithaldu goddammit chrome, why won't you let me get a link of an image i'm pointing at that is a link
15:39 Mithaldu oh because they're css and not html
15:39 ranguard css... yea
15:39 Mithaldu all of my frowns
15:39 oalders Mithaldu: http://glyphicons.com/
15:39 Mithaldu oalders: great! :)
15:40 Mithaldu ranguard: looking at the top menu it looks like i'd only be reusing one or two
15:40 * ranguard isn't a designer, but using the same icon for different things feels like a UX no-no, but meh, might work :)
15:41 Mithaldu ranguard: depends on context!
15:41 ranguard Mithaldu: also remember the site is responsive so need to resize your window
15:41 Mithaldu if i put the metacpan favicon next to Home first, it should be plenty to recontextualize the other ones
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15:43 Mithaldu ranguard: yeah mainly it breaks when i resize
15:43 oalders Mithaldu: it looks like we're actually using font-awesome
15:44 Mithaldu https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10190786/Screenshot%202015-03-06%2016.43.29.png
15:44 oalders crazy
15:44 Mithaldu oh wow
15:44 Mithaldu reproducable in chrome
15:44 Mithaldu make it narrow
15:44 Mithaldu click the burger button
15:45 Mithaldu make it wide
15:45 Mithaldu NOBODY expects cellphones made out of rubber
15:45 Mithaldu also if i resize it the other top menu items disappear entirely
15:45 Mithaldu and the burger button does not make them appear
15:45 oalders doesn't do that for me (OS X)
15:46 Mithaldu oalders: try in firefox
15:46 Mithaldu all literally all four major browsers do it
15:46 ranguard does for me on OS X chrome
15:47 ranguard Mithaldu: as your there... ;)
15:47 Mithaldu scrolling down *kind of* fixes it
15:47 oalders i see a bit of weirdness in FF
15:47 ranguard although, people resizing windows, meh, it's more making sure still works on small screens at load time
15:47 Mithaldu ranguard: right, but well, even for that
15:47 Mithaldu some of the top menu entries just disappear
15:48 ranguard oh...
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15:49 Mithaldu confirmed in chrome on my android phone
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17:20 Mithaldu ranguard, oalders: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/pull/1465
17:20 Mithaldu i managed to avoid reusing anything
17:21 oalders nice rocket!
17:21 Mithaldu :D
17:22 oalders Mithaldu: looks good.  i guess we'll wait for Travis to report back
17:22 Mithaldu i was looking for a beaker, but couldn't find one, so i went with the next-best thing
17:22 oalders :)
17:23 Mithaldu oalders: travis reports on templates?
17:23 Mithaldu also, please do look at the html
17:23 oalders the changes look good
17:23 Mithaldu since i added &nbsp; and such because i didn't know how else to do it
17:23 oalders ah, i see that
17:24 oalders i assume a CSS purist will change it at some point
17:24 Mithaldu also i'm not sure if -&> eats newline + space or just newline
17:25 oalders let's give it a spin and see what people say
17:25 Mithaldu yeah, i tweeted about it to give it some visibility
17:26 oalders Mithaldu++
17:26 oalders template changes have caused broken builds in the past. my guess is this won't break anything
17:26 Mithaldu :)
17:26 Mithaldu also
17:26 Mithaldu holy damn, i love opera for this shit
17:26 oalders how so?
17:27 Mithaldu most browsers have a source viewer, right?
17:27 oalders sure
17:27 Mithaldu opera's source viewer is an editor with a button to "refresh tab from cache"
17:27 oalders ah, nice
17:27 Mithaldu only opera 12 though
17:27 Mithaldu the new reboot of it is all kinds of arse
17:28 Mithaldu also, if this is well received the "account" thingy might deserve an icon too
17:28 Mithaldu maybe the gravatar when logged in
17:28 Mithaldu but i'm not sure how to do that
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17:47 haarg why did you need a &nbsp; instead of just a space?
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17:49 metacpan [metacpan-web] oalders pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/pvex
17:49 metacpan metacpan-web/master 23f5584 Christian Walde: add icons to the top menu to increase discoverability...
17:49 metacpan metacpan-web/master 63885e2 Olaf Alders: Merge pull request #1465 from wchristian/top_menu_icons...
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17:50 Mithaldu haarg: because a space may be broken and make things even more weird when the browser becomes narrow
17:51 Mithaldu oalders: that broke everything
17:51 oalders https://www.dropbox.com/s/snx2lrigfv2g1ro/Screenshot%202015-03-06%2012.51.26.png?dl=0
17:51 haarg https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/white-space
17:51 Mithaldu oalders: oh goddammit, it was the spaces, just now ehre i thought
17:52 Mithaldu oalders: patch incoming
17:52 oalders thanks :)
17:53 Mithaldu oalders: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/pull/1466
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17:54 metacpan [metacpan-web] oalders pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/pvUT
17:54 metacpan metacpan-web/master 4d67ac8 Christian Walde: don't break the top menu
17:54 metacpan metacpan-web/master f27b91f Olaf Alders: Merge pull request #1466 from wchristian/top_menu_icons...
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17:54 haarg better to use a normal image than an ico
17:55 Mithaldu 502 Bad Gateway
17:55 Mithaldu /!\
17:55 oalders that happens on the puppet runs
17:55 oalders it doesn't seem any better now,though
17:55 Mithaldu i don't understand
17:56 oalders Mithaldu: you tested this on your end?
17:56 Mithaldu oalders: reading pull requests helps! D:
17:56 Mithaldu i specifically mentioned i'd done no testing
17:57 haarg adding the icon classes to the a element is a bad idea
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17:57 metacpan [metacpan-web] oalders force-pushed master from f27b91f to 84bfc77: http://git.io/aj94lQ
17:57 metacpan metacpan-web/master 8748c8e Mateu X Hunter: Handle elasticsearch 1.x change to always return ArrayRefs for field values
17:57 metacpan metacpan-web/master ce9aa0c Mateu X Hunter: Apply the field value adapter
17:57 metacpan metacpan-web/master cb4fb96 Mateu X Hunter: More explicit naming
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17:57 haarg use a <i></i> like is done elsewhere
17:58 Mithaldu oalders: haha, i was just gonna say, rewind is the best option
17:58 oalders Mithaldu: where did you say it was untested?
17:58 Mithaldu let me force-push my branch and then haarg can provide more concrete input
17:58 Mithaldu in the description!
17:58 Mithaldu "This is only a crude and untested implementation."
17:58 oalders ah, my bad for making assumptions
17:59 Mithaldu dude, i think you backed out too far
17:59 Mithaldu you probably want to push cb2ea459af6fdc43d8b54c0a2e3ad73665bff7dc
18:00 Mithaldu oalders: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10190786/Screenshot%202015-03-06%2019.00.11.png
18:00 oalders Mithaldu: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/commits/master
18:01 Mithaldu i have no idea why you're linking me that :v
18:01 Mithaldu anyhow
18:01 Mithaldu are you sure your master is in the right place? y/n?
18:02 oalders y
18:02 Mithaldu awesome :)
18:02 * Mithaldu remakes his branch
18:02 oalders the last commit on that page is the merge from ether
18:02 Mithaldu i think i understand how
18:02 Mithaldu *now
18:02 Mithaldu you cherry-picked without the merge commits
18:04 Mithaldu ok, recreated: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/pull/1467
18:05 Mithaldu now, haarg: can you detail what you mean with <i>?
18:05 Mithaldu put an empty set of those with the correct class in front of the <a>?
18:06 haarg <a href=""><i class="fa fa-blah"></i> Recent</a>
18:06 Mithaldu ok
18:06 Mithaldu that works, thanks
18:06 haarg and you need an actual image to use for Home
18:06 haarg not the icon file
18:07 Mithaldu clarify?
18:07 haarg the ico is a windows icon file
18:07 haarg it has multiple forms of the image
18:07 Mithaldu works fine for me in opera 12
18:07 haarg doesn't work in chrome
18:08 Mithaldu ok, recommendation?
18:08 haarg it isn't appropriate for use as part of the actual content
18:08 Mithaldu can i use the apple touch icon and force it to scale correctly?
18:08 haarg what size is that image?
18:08 Mithaldu iow: tell me what to do and i'll happily do it, because i really don't give a damn how this is done :)
18:08 Mithaldu 152*152
18:08 haarg it really shouldn't be scaled at all
18:09 Mithaldu yeah well, you have 2*ico and 1*x that
18:09 Mithaldu plus
18:09 Mithaldu the image should scale along with the text in some manner
18:11 haarg i can generate image files for it.  i don't remember the best way to handle high-dpi on images.
18:12 haarg scaling with the text isn't really going to work
18:12 Mithaldu how about i simply use the 16px icon for now
18:13 Mithaldu does that not render in chrome at all, or did you just get a too big one?
18:14 haarg which 16px icon?
18:14 haarg chrome picks a different icon out of the file than opera and firefox do
18:15 haarg no idea what other browsers will do
18:15 Mithaldu there's a favicon.ico
18:15 Mithaldu and a favicon-16.ico
18:19 haarg http://haarg.org/temp/metacpan-icon.png
18:20 Mithaldu haarg: added: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/pull/1467/files
18:23 haarg if we really wanted it to scale with the text, i guess we'd have to make a custom font with the vector version
18:24 Mithaldu or make an svg :)
18:25 haarg i guess ie supports svg now
18:27 Mithaldu anyhow, oalders: the PR should be fine now, though i recommend you give it a manual test
18:31 haarg Mithaldu: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/468997
18:32 haarg probably better than the nbsp
18:32 haarg especially if the one link is changed to "github issues"
18:32 Mithaldu oh right :)
18:34 Mithaldu haarg: split into two and force-pushed: https://github.com/CPAN-API/metacpan-web/pull/1467
18:37 * haarg needs to read up on http2 to see about better optimizations
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19:34 mateu \q
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20:51 metacpan [github-meets-cpan] ranguard pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/pfic
20:51 metacpan github-meets-cpan/master 1cd6baa Leo Lapworth: Add required dependencies
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21:47 metacpan github-meets-cpan/master 150be1b Leo Lapworth: add a snapshot for deployment
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