Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #moarvm, 2014-02-17

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00:33 jnthn I maded MoarVM a website; once DNS changes are done, it's at http://www.moarvm.org/
00:34 timotimo i see it there already
00:34 timotimo bootstrap: always pretty
00:34 jnthn Yeah. safe, easy choice :)
00:35 tadzik :) nice
00:35 jnthn And easy for others to hack on.
00:35 timotimo it's on github, eh?
00:35 jnthn yeah
00:35 timotimo moarvm.github.io is the name of the repo?
00:35 jnthn no
00:35 jnthn oh, wait
00:35 jnthn It's not hosted on github, no
00:36 jnthn But the site source is at https://github.com/MoarVM/moarvm.org
00:36 jnthn I didn't shove an auto-deploy thingy in yet.
00:36 timotimo oke
00:37 timotimo i may have a closer look some time soon :)
00:37 jnthn Improvements, to content or beauty, are welcome.
00:37 jnthn Also, we can easiily point people at the *correct* tarballs now
00:37 jnthn Not the broken Github-generated ones.
00:38 jnthn timotimo: I see you're Feb Rakudo release manager. So, please ensure that the release announcement gets a link to moarvm.org and/or the right tarball. So folks hopefully will land on the right one.
00:38 timotimo excellent.
00:38 timotimo i'll see to it :)
00:38 jnthn \o/
00:39 timotimo i think the footer of the page ought to give a bit more breathing space
00:39 hoelzro jnthn++
00:39 hoelzro Moar just needs a logo now =)
00:39 timotimo other than that i like it a lot :)
00:40 jnthn timotimo: Yeah, I agree on the footer. I was looking to see if bootstrap let me have a horizontal line or so above it, but didn't see one.
00:40 tadzik maybe alot should be the logo
00:40 timotimo do you know the short movie or photorealistically rendered thingie with slugs that unfold their shells to reveal jets and stuff? :3
00:40 tadzik :D
00:40 tadzik yep
00:40 timotimo jnthn: i'll look closer tomorrow, i think
00:40 jnthn Weren't we going with a chimera? :)
00:40 timotimo so tomorrow i'll write the weekly changes and see to it that i can prepare the release a tiny bit
00:40 hoelzro tadzik: haha, I love it
00:41 timotimo the alot isn't ours, unfortunately
00:41 timotimo the question is: is alot more than moar or less?
00:42 jnthn .oO( So long as the logo doesn't end up being a hungry-looking lolcat with MOAR written on it... )
00:47 hoelzro http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/574/moar-cat.jpg
00:47 hoelzro actually
00:47 hoelzro this one's better
00:47 hoelzro http://www.titaniumteddybear.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/moar-because.jpg
00:47 timotimo jnthn: i'm considering just putting a local.css in there and giving <footer> a padding-top of a few em
00:47 timotimo heh.
00:48 jnthn timotimo: wfm
00:48 timotimo i need some noms now :o
00:48 jnthn hoelzro: lol
00:48 timotimo http://subtlepatterns.com/?s=dark ← and maybe a background from here
00:48 jnthn Shoulda known the internet already has a lot of those :)
00:49 jnthn timotimo: OK...though some of those make my eyes argh
00:50 timotimo of course
00:50 timotimo there's a big selection.
00:52 timotimo hmm
00:52 timotimo nothing in particular stands out as excellent
00:53 hoelzro timotimo: your trimming MoarVM work - is it in master now?
00:55 timotimo yes
00:55 timotimo though hardly noticable ;)
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00:55 timotimo though the nqp optimization that turns lexicals into locals isn't in yet
00:56 hoelzro that's fine
00:56 timotimo as i want to do the block inlining thing first
00:56 hoelzro I just want to build the docs and see how memory/speed have improved
00:56 jnthn hoelzro: Did you build them since nwc10++'s patch that shrunk each object by 4/8 bytes?
00:56 timotimo it would make me happy if you had a measurable improvement to point out :)
00:56 hoelzro jnthn: probably not
00:56 hoelzro it's been a few weeks
00:57 hoelzro well, probably almost a month
00:57 jnthn Ah, then that will also help :)
00:57 hoelzro =)
00:57 hoelzro last time it was 8 minutes, 600MB RAM, I think
00:57 jnthn In other good news, I think I've a patch that resolves the Panda issue.
00:57 hoelzro I could check the logs =)
00:57 hoelzro jnthn: the serialization one?
00:58 jnthn hoelzro: yes.
00:58 timotimo F Yeah! :))
00:58 hoelzro \o/
00:58 * hoelzro wonders if that will also fix the mysterious URI testing bug
00:59 jnthn Doing a clean build with the patch, then spectest.
00:59 hoelzro sweet
01:00 jnthn I should probably warn everyone that I'm somewhat behind with the parallel/async course I'm currently working on at $dayjob, so my tuit supply for the next week could be...interesting.
01:00 hoelzro care to upload an early adopter patch? =]
01:00 jnthn hoelzro: It'll be < 5 mins until the push...can you wait? :)
01:00 hoelzro yes
01:00 hoelzro I'm just excited =)
01:00 * jnthn can spectest Moar in < 5 mins :)
01:01 timotimo <3
01:01 jnthn But I want that number to shrink :)
01:01 timotimo so does everybody else ;)
01:01 jnthn (no, *not* by buying a 24-core Apple trashcan... :))
01:01 timotimo :D
01:03 timotimo in case someone missed it: i really want to get moar's memory usage baseline to shrink drastically
01:03 hoelzro timotimo++
01:03 jnthn timotimo: That also is very desirable.
01:03 timotimo doesn't mean i'll be the one who causes that to happen ;)
01:04 timotimo nqp-m -e 'say 1' clocks in at about 20 megs of maxrss
01:05 timotimo python takes only 4 megabytes to print 1 ;)
01:05 timotimo and it has more features than nqp does, doesn't it? :P
01:05 timotimo well, it doesn't have the regex engine loaded from the beginning
01:06 jnthn Or 6model, or... :)
01:07 jnthn hoelzro: pash
01:09 hoelzro \o/
01:10 jnthn hoelzro: btw, I fixed https://rt.perl.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=121213 - don't suppose you might be able to add a spectest and close the ticket? :)
01:12 hoelzro jnthn: can do =)
01:12 hoelzro I don't think I have permissions to close the ticket, though
01:12 hoelzro and where would the test fail under?
01:13 jnthn fail? or fall? :)
01:13 hoelzro fall
01:13 jnthn Probaly catch.t, in S04
01:13 hoelzro =)
01:14 hoelzro btw, the record to beat is 829 MB
01:14 hoelzro for MoarVM building docs
01:14 timotimo the ram's too damn high!
01:15 hoelzro this time it took 815 =/
01:15 timotimo oh well :|
01:16 hoelzro it could unrelated changes
01:16 hoelzro *could be
01:16 hoelzro damn, I'm tired.
01:16 hoelzro jnthn: did you push that serialization fix up?
01:16 timotimo yeah, it's in nqp
01:16 jnthn hoelzro: Yes, it was in NQP reop
01:16 timotimo you missed it by not looking at #perl6 :D
01:16 hoelzro ah, ok
01:16 jnthn hoelzro: Didn't bump Rakudo. Should I?
01:16 hoelzro nah, i'ts cool
01:16 timotimo the bumps will happen soon anyway, as it's release week :)
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01:26 hoelzro jnthn: no go on your fix for URI =(
01:27 jnthn hoelzro: Ah, that must be something else then...
01:28 hoelzro it's an interesting problem
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01:28 jnthn If you can golf it, that's very helpful
01:29 jnthn Anyways, hopefully the fix I did means we get Panda...
01:29 hoelzro I'll see what I can do
01:29 hoelzro this is a bad week for me and development
01:35 jnthn 'k
01:35 jnthn May be for me too...
01:35 jnthn I should sleep...
01:35 jnthn 'night, #moarvm
01:37 hoelzro night
01:37 * hoelzro goes to bed as well
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14:15 timotimo "Moar aVesoMe"
14:16 JimmyZ \o
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19:31 ingy moritz: hi
19:32 ingy moritz: were you asking about my subrepo thing the other day?
19:33 moritz ingy: yes
19:33 ingy https://github.com/ingydotnet/git-subrepo#readme
19:34 moritz ingy: yes, I found that
19:34 ingy I finally got the main commands (clone/pull/push) working/tested yesterday
19:35 ingy I need to use it heavily for a while, but I think it's going to be the solid answer to sub* stuff
19:36 ingy https://gist.github.com/ingydotnet/da04191fbdc612ff2fef (just switched a repo from submodules to subrepos)
19:36 ingy I worked hard to make it not muck up your history
19:37 ingy subtree history gets ugly fast
19:37 ingy and is just a terrible plugin in general :\
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19:43 ingy moritz: do you use submodules much?
19:49 moritz ingy: I use them occasionally
19:50 moritz (and usually regret it; like when 'git archive' simply ignores them)
20:08 ingy moritz: maybe give subrepo a try. I think it should take away all that pain. :)
20:50 masak subrepo looks interesting.
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22:40 dalek MoarVM: ffb8e69 | jnthn++ | src/io/io.c:
22:40 dalek MoarVM: Correct errors; diakopter++.
22:40 dalek MoarVM: review: https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/commit/ffb8e6937a
22:46 dalek MoarVM: ba472cb | jnthn++ | src/io/io.c:
22:46 dalek MoarVM: Another couple of typos; jnthn--.
22:46 dalek MoarVM: review: https://github.com/MoarVM/MoarVM/commit/ba472cb970
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