Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #moarvm, 2016-02-11

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00:00 flussence for some reason the code it compiles there just emits nothing, trying to figure out why...
00:05 flussence I'm at a complete loss; when I extract the C and the commands Configure.pl runs and do them manually it works fine
00:06 timotimo wow, crap.
00:06 timotimo how does it communicate that outwards? printf?
00:08 flussence it's a printf("%u\n" thingy
00:08 timotimo mhm
00:08 timotimo you said when you run it manually it works, eh? o_O
00:08 flussence this is failing in the middle of a gentoo ebuild, mind you
00:08 flussence but still, this *used* to work
00:08 flussence argh
00:09 flussence I'm really struggling to figure out why it doesn't all of a sudden
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00:11 timotimo it gets killed by a signal or something?
00:13 flussence nope, the program just... doesn't print anything
00:13 timotimo o_O
00:13 timotimo so some #define not working out?
00:15 * flussence installs gdb
00:15 flussence let's see if I can remember how to use this thing...
00:19 flussence and it's only doing it on one machine /o\
00:20 timotimo oh lord
00:24 flussence one out of three, that's fun. maybe I should just reboot it and see if that unscrews things...
00:25 timotimo i hope thta machine still comes up :S
00:25 timotimo sounds shaky
00:35 flussence still no good, gah
00:35 flussence ...doh
00:35 flussence disabling distcc fixes it.
00:36 flussence which doesn't make sense, cause I've got that on this other comp and it works fine there.
00:44 flussence eh, whatever. nobody's going to hit it but weirdos like me :)
00:49 timotimo we could just try it 4 times before giving up
00:49 timotimo if we get the '' output, that is
00:51 flussence wait a sec... why doesn't it just `use Config`?
01:00 flussence m: use Inline::Perl5; say Inline::Perl5.new.run('use Config; $Config{ptrsize}'); # that specifically
01:00 camelia rakudo-moar d714e5: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find Inline::Perl5 in:␤    /home/camelia/.perl6/2015.12-316-gd714e50␤    /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/site␤    /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6/vendor␤    /home/camelia/rakudo-m-inst-2/share/perl6␤  …»
01:01 flussence star: use Inline::Perl5; say Inline::Perl5.new.run('use Config; $Config{ptrsize}');
01:01 camelia star-m 2015.09: OUTPUT«===SORRY!===␤Could not find Inline::Perl5 in any of:␤  file#/home/camelia/.perl6/2015.09/lib␤  inst#/home/camelia/.perl6/2015.09␤  file#/home/camelia/star-2015.09/share/perl6/lib␤  file#/home/camelia/star-2015.09/share/perl6/vendor/lib␤  file#/home…»
01:01 flussence aw nuts
01:02 flussence but yeah, that oneliner is a biiiiiit simpler and more reliable than trying to reinvent the wheel :)
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09:46 timotimo flussence: i just now thought about this: how do we do cross-compilation if we just use Perl5 to get that value?
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12:24 flussence cross-compilation is hardcoded in a separate sub to use 4 :)
12:25 timotimo umm ... m)
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13:30 brrt good * #moarvm
13:31 jnthn o/ brrt
13:31 brrt \o jnthn
13:31 brrt long time little overlap in irc presence :-)
13:31 brrt how are things
13:33 jnthn Not too bad
13:33 jnthn Energy levels and stuff slowly improving.
13:34 brrt thats good to hear :-)
13:34 jnthn Still not "recovered", though at least more motivated and back to enjoying working on stuff. Mostly $dayjob stuff of late. :-)
13:35 jnthn Though plugged us some leaks in MoarVM :)
13:36 jnthn And trying to untangle the Perl 6 versioning story...
13:36 brrt i saw that. it looks complex
13:37 brrt as in, a difficult job to do
13:42 jnthn Yeah.
13:42 brrt it basically means getting the whole community on a single line
13:42 brrt maybe even reducing commit bits for rakudo
13:42 brrt although that may not be necessary
13:43 brrt given that there is always revert
13:43 jnthn Well, you'll never get everyone to agree on these things, but so far I think I've just about managed to tread a course that hasn't caused a lot of strong disagreement.
13:45 jnthn I'd be surprised if we'd have to resort to anything like taking away commit bits. As you say, there's revert, but more than that I trust the folks who have them. :)
13:45 brrt i think your proposal is quite reasonable
13:45 brrt hmmm... true
13:45 brrt #perl6 is remarkably nonhierarchical
13:46 brrt and pleasant, imho :-)
13:47 jnthn Yes. In fact, even the repos with really liberal commit bit policies have seen nearly no issues.
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13:47 jnthn (That arose from that policy)
13:51 jnthn heh, that moment when you wonder why Visual Studio Code's autocomplete just busted randomly...then realize when you come back from grabbing a cuppa that you were doing the edits in Atom.
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14:29 * brrt actually never uses autocomplete
14:29 * jnthn rarely does either
14:30 jnthn I tried to write C# without it and then realized I didn't *know* the class libraries well, I just autocomplete my way to using them. :/
14:31 jnthn Funny thing though. I did a couple of .Net certs once. Microsoft's naming schemes are consistent and predictable enough that I could just look at a name and be like "nah, they'd never call the method *that*" and pass the cert. :P
14:32 nwc10 that's an interesting failure mode for multiple choice tests
14:32 brrt that is an extremely common failure mode for multiple choice tests
14:32 brrt that is basically how i got my bachelors degree
14:32 brrt :-P
14:33 nwc10 "which of these is not an Elbonian word?" ... "congratulations, you scored >80% and we will award you a certificate in Elbonian"
14:34 * ilmari can't remember a single multiple-choice test during his bachelor's studies
14:34 ilmari but that was a) in .no, and b) 10-15 years ago
14:35 ilmari every time I think about how long ago uni was I feel old
14:39 geekosaur (tell me about it... early 1980s)
14:43 jnthn Yeah. Thankfully, I don't need to worry about doing certs any more. :)
14:45 jnthn ...or university :P
14:45 jnthn Though uni was at least fun :)
14:51 brrt it can be
14:51 brrt if you want it
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