Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #moarvm, 2016-05-26

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09:13 brrt good *, ring-ding-ding-ding-ding
09:14 jnthn banana phone!
09:14 jnthn oh wait, wrong song :P
09:20 brrt i'm not sure i'm that far along in the series :-)
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11:00 brrt hmm, i'm pondering agile-ness in relation to the JIT development
11:01 brrt there are two observations here
11:01 jnthn .oO( 0. We should continue not doing scrum :P )
11:01 brrt a): i can't make progress unless i set small goals which are doable in at most, about 4 hours, because i don't have timeframes larger than that
11:02 brrt b): i can't make progress unless these changes at each time yield something which works
11:03 brrt c): i can't actually make such small changes and be sure to end up at the end, unless is analyze and design my trajectory upfront
11:03 brrt or, rather
11:03 jnthn I like how your observations were agile enough to grow an extra one :)
11:03 brrt c): if i analyze my trajectory upfront, it becomes much more feasilbe to divide the work into pieces that satisfy a and b
11:04 jnthn fwiw, I often - before digging into things - write myself a short list of steps in my text editor, that I work through
11:04 jnthn If it's anything non-small
11:04 brrt my 2 secret weapons are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency...
11:04 brrt well, that's design and analysis, isn't it?
11:04 brrt i'm using org-mode for all of that these days, and i've been very happy about that
11:05 jnthn Pretty much, yes :)
11:05 brrt soooo... A and B are just about the agile manifesto repeated, C is almost the antithesis?
11:06 jnthn I don't really think agile is "go wander off in some direction and hope it'll all be OK"
11:06 jnthn Though I've seen it treated a bit like that
11:06 jnthn But it's reacting to change *over* following a plan
11:06 jnthn That doesn't mean "don't plan"
11:07 jnthn It means don't follow a plan when the circumstances change
11:07 brrt hmmm
11:07 jnthn And render the plan possibly less valuable
11:07 brrt that almost sounds like its just engineering
11:07 brrt :-P
11:07 jnthn Which does carry an implication of not making plans that are doomed to become invalid.
11:08 jnthn But yeah, I've seen "let's do agile" lead to "we don't need to plan"
11:08 brrt i have so many stories about that, that it wouldn't be at all a good idea to write about on a logged channel
11:12 brrt interestingly, i think i have a plan for adding the requisite spill-load capacities, correctly even
11:13 brrt it's just a long road :-o
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12:38 nwc10 jnthn: I almost had a bootstrapping problem. I put the saucer onto the coffee machine, not the cup. Fortunately I realised before I pushed the button.
12:39 jnthn Coffee flood narrowly averted!
12:40 nwc10 aye, but also "clearly coffee needed here as a pre-req for correctly making coffee"
12:41 jnthn ...do you normally take a saucer to go with the cup? :)
12:43 nwc10 yes. some sort of obsession
12:48 jnthn Curious. :)
12:49 jnthn I mean, with tea it feels like a saucer is natural. But coffee...
13:03 nwc10 it's a (sort of) hemispherical cup shaped like a tea cup
13:03 nwc10 so it feels like it needs the saucer
13:03 nwc10 (as hemispherical as a tea cup is hemispherical)
13:04 jnthn ah
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23:57 japhb .oO( Geometrically hemispherical and topologically toroidal )

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