Perl 6 - the future is here, just unevenly distributed

IRC log for #moarvm, 2016-11-17

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07:18 brrt good * #maorvm
07:18 nwc10 good *, brrt
07:18 nwc10 as you can see, I transposed the "oo"s in good and the "rr"s in brrt, just like your transposed letters :-)
07:20 nine nwc10 has obviously a more appropriate caffeine level than me
07:20 nine need to fix that...
07:20 nwc10 Well, I met the (to be) neighbour at the station, so was chatting on the train (in German) instead of the usual sleeping
07:21 nwc10 *and* I've just chatted to the office admin
07:21 nwc10 (in English)
07:21 nwc10 so I've had 2 conversations more than usual
07:21 nwc10 so I'm forced to be awake
07:21 nwc10 the (to be) neighbour is very nice - our building site's water supply is from his well
07:21 nwc10 (this is very cost effective)
07:22 nwc10 but he's warning me that he'll need to turn it off if there's likely to be a hard frost
07:22 nwc10 (this is sane)
07:30 brrt wait, what, you have, heh
07:30 brrt you have water supply from a well?
07:31 * brrt is almost as shocked as when he heard that german houses are often fueled by a residential oil tank
07:32 brrt (in the netherlands, all housed are fuel from a natural gas grid, and having anything else is quite unimaginable)
07:32 nwc10 this is their garden water tap
07:32 nwc10 one of the houses we looked at last year when thinking about buying had an oil heating system
07:32 nwc10 the garden water comes from a well, so isn't metered
07:32 nwc10 (well, the electricity to power the pump is, but that's a trivial cost)
07:33 brrt well, then you are of course in luck in that you have sufficiently fresh water nearby
07:33 brrt i wouldn't dare do that in Eutrophia^W the netherlands
07:33 nwc10 this criteria makes the entire Netherlands lucky?
07:33 nwc10 sometimes far too lucky?
07:33 nwc10 (This isn't drinking water)
07:33 brrt ah, okay
07:34 brrt hence my surprise
07:34 brrt actually there are parts of the netherlands tht are quite dry in the summer
07:34 * nwc10 has to look up eutrophia
07:34 nwc10 I think I get the joke
07:34 brrt :-)
07:35 brrt mostly also by human hands, by the way, after the original vegetation was stripped away
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09:26 lizmat good *, #moarvm
09:28 lizmat jnthn: if $a and $b are shaped lists, it looks like "nqp::atpos($a,$_) = nqp::atpos($b,$_ for ^5)" works differently from unshaped lists
09:28 lizmat jnthn: that's really the underlying problem it appears
09:29 lizmat or should I always bind to a new scalar ?
09:31 lizmat hmmm... maybe my understanding of the left-valuedness of nqp::atpos is wrong
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09:39 lizmat afk&
09:49 brrt good *, lizmat
10:53 lizmat jnthn: figured out the thinko: the problem is indeed in .STORE
10:54 lizmat or at least in the interaction between .reverse and .STOR
10:54 lizmat E
10:55 lizmat .reverse and .rotate basically create a List with the same containers from the original List/Array, but in different order
10:56 lizmat the normal List/Array.STORE always go through a rather elaborated scheme using iterators
10:56 lizmat with the shaped array.STORE I thought I could take a shortcut, because all elements are always reified
10:57 lizmat turns out I can't, generally
11:07 nwc10 lizmat: based on conversations yesterday, jnthn is very busy with Struggle for Freedom and Democracy Day" today.
11:08 lizmat SFDD ??
11:09 lizmat nwc10 jnthn see: https://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/commit/2d56751
11:10 lizmat brb
11:10 nwc10 lizmat: https://irclog.perlgeek.de/moarvm/2016-11-16#i_13577800
11:47 jnthn lizmat: Yes, that fix looks safer. Also I suspect before it we might have had odd behavior if you bound an element of the array, then stored new stuff in said array...
11:47 jnthn Some things are best not cheated on :)
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15:47 FROGGS o/
16:09 nwc10 \o
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