Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-06-30

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06:18 xantus yo
06:20 yko hi
07:25 yko mojolicious generate coffe
07:50 janus Command "coffe" missing, maybe you need to install it?
07:50 janus :)
07:50 yko yes, indeed ;)
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08:24 xantus install Coffee
08:26 marcus coffeescript?
08:26 xantus :)
08:26 marcus mojolicious generate beer
08:26 xantus hehehe
08:26 marcus at that point it'd be ready for 1.0
08:48 sri *slurp*
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09:36 sri grr, mailing list is awful again today
09:40 Su-Shee you can't just not read your own project's mailinglist, can you? :)
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09:40 * sri shakes the magic 8ball
09:41 sri "Outlook not so good"
09:42 sri seriously, whats that guy thinking sending me a mail about some random perl web server being unreliable?
09:43 sri i think i need to get a little more grumpy
09:45 Su-Shee man you have _no_ idea what you get by mail if you're a female blogger.. _that_ is fun! ;)
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09:47 sri sharifulin should also know better by now
09:57 marcus Su-Shee: marriage offers?
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10:13 Su-Shee marcus: those are the better ones.. ;)
10:16 marcus PLS SEND NUDE PICS?
10:16 Su-Shee no, usally they don't add "pls" if they're already in that stage.. ;)
10:16 marcus KTHX
10:17 marcus getting a lot of stupid mails atm too
10:17 marcus just put out a job advert on the national unemployment service
10:17 Su-Shee totally weird stuff between confessing love and 3 pages of taking some blog entry way too seriously..
10:17 sri ☃ .o(HALP!)
10:18 marcus lots of foreigners with no relevant experience writing me in broken norwegian or english
10:18 sri CAN HAZ JOB?
10:18 Su-Shee marcus: don't remind me.. every time I had to hire people, I dutyfully submitted the jobs to the unemployment agency..
10:18 marcus I HAZ JAVA AND BASIC C++ EXPERIENCE, CAN HAZ IPHONE AND PERL PROGRAMMER JOB?
10:19 marcus I'll end up hiring through my network, probably
10:19 marcus but advertising was free
10:19 marcus and it gives our company some exposure I guess :)
10:19 Su-Shee I get the "I did a trainee programme in HTML and I'm applying for a Linux device driver programming job." ;)
10:19 sri your time doesn't cost money?
10:20 marcus sri: no, I'm pretty worthless
10:20 marcus ;)
10:20 Su-Shee marcus: I'm doing this only because it's the decent thing to do. :/
10:20 sri thought so ;p
10:21 Su-Shee I need more coffee.
10:21 marcus fuck being decent
10:21 * sri needs sugar
10:21 * marcus just ate lunch
10:22 marcus and 3 cups of coffee
10:22 marcus feeling jazzed
10:22 marcus working home office today
10:22 * sri just had breakfast
10:22 marcus <3 my espresso machine
10:22 marcus sri: enjoy it while you can. once you get kids, you're always up before 7
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10:39 Su-Shee you're assuming that he does breakfast after getting up. maybe he gets up and has breakfast a few hours later. :)
10:49 marcus maybe he never sleep
10:49 marcus +s
10:49 marcus but actually I thin we've determined sri's sleep cycle already through the power of twitter
10:50 marcus Su-Shee: http://www.sleepingtime.org/kraih
10:50 garfield [ Sebastian Riedel @kraih's Sleeping Schedule ]
10:50 marcus amusingly, mine is the inverse http://www.sleepingtime.org/marcusramberg
10:50 garfield [ Marcus Ramberg @marcusramberg's Sleeping Schedule ]
10:50 marcus which should mean that we never meet
10:51 * sri is now known as evil_marcus
10:51 marcus hmm, no, that's not right. 24 hours in a day, not 12
10:51 marcus stupid analog clocks
10:51 * marcus is now known as the antikraih
10:52 sri maybe i just don't like to tweet before lunch?
10:53 sri i think my usual sleeping time is between 2am and 10am
10:54 marcus lies
10:54 marcus and chewing gum
11:03 Su-Shee man, this is so wrong and such a great example why contextless data analysis doesn't mean anything...
11:04 lbr "The person is located in iPhone"
11:04 lbr that gotta hurt
11:04 Su-Shee what if sri gets up early, does first some code and _then_ starts twittering in his first break? ;)
11:39 sri oh my
11:39 sri sharifulin brings up the rfc2616 definition of http_URL
11:40 sri that one is a comedy classic
11:46 sri no idea what he's thinking... even brings up rfc3986... but suggests we support the obsolteted one
11:52 sri maybe someone here has better arguments
11:52 sri userinfo in urls generated by url_for a bad idea?
11:52 sri (absolute urls)
11:53 sri url_for->to_abs could theoretically end up as http://sri:foo@127.0.0.1:3000/lalala
11:53 sri is that bad? why?
11:53 janus exposing credentials...
11:54 sri they are exposed anyway
11:54 sri it's basic auth
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11:56 sri to make it clear, this aonly affects basic auth
11:59 janus using that argument would mean https urls are without credentials?
12:00 sri ?
12:00 janus as in, why not handle it like secured/sensitive inforamtion?
12:01 sri it's not exposed if you use ssl
12:03 sri are you arguing that letting someone see the html source would expose credentials?
12:03 janus lol
12:03 janus no, just being paranoid in general ;)
12:03 sri ok, but whats your argument then? Oo
12:07 janus hm, simply that i have no argument FOR it, which is the way i'm approaching everything security related ;)
12:09 marcus sri: you might send your credentials to someone via mail for instance by accident
12:09 marcus I think it's bad
12:09 sri thats actually an acceptable argument
12:09 marcus \o/
12:15 janus heh
12:17 janus so we're talking about safety :)
12:18 janus *crouch'n'run*
12:20 marcus just as long as we don't have to start using condoms.
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12:21 GitHub83 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * c471dc0 (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed url_for to not expose userinfo in absolute URLs - http://bit.ly/aaTHv3
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14:26 * sri yawns
14:32 ysyrota sri: do you use some yawn detector in order to post these status messages? :-)
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18:13 yakudza good evening ppl
18:13 yakudza where I can find bomber man on mojo ?
18:13 sri vtis github repo i guess
18:15 yakudza sri: is there online example... just want to show to php programmer benefits of html5
18:15 yakudza (:
18:15 sri don't think so
18:17 yakudza and maybe irc client?
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19:40 sri http://www.redmondpie.com/imovie-​for-iphone-4-on-iphone-3gs-video/ # apple lied!
19:40 garfield [ iMovie Ported to iPhone 3GS, iOS 4 [Video] | Redmond Pie ]
19:40 garfield http://xrl.us/bhqe3d
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19:57 sri does anyone here know a dan stephenson or insurgent software?
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20:28 dotan sri: Shlomi Fish (rindolf on perl irc) did some work for them (insurgent) with Mojolicious a couple of months ago.
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20:51 marcus insurgent(n): a person who takes part in an armed rebellion against the constituted authority (especially in the hope of improving conditions)
20:52 sri :)
20:58 dotan marcus: trying to outdo me with useless information, or am I just missing a chunk of the conversation?
20:59 marcus dotan: I just found it amusing
20:59 marcus given sri's cries of Web Socket! Revolution!
20:59 dotan :)
21:34 sri viva la revolution!
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22:17 xantus hey hey
22:19 xantus sri: I have a hack I want to show you
22:19 sri :o
22:19 xantus https://gist.github.com/adb15176e41d02ca4145
22:19 * sri waves
22:19 xantus its called AutoMojo
22:20 sri lol
22:20 xantus cute huh
22:20 xantus could hack it to use git and just pull new updated
22:20 xantus s/updated/updates/
22:23 sri would be fun if someone put up an install script on http://mojolicio.us
22:24 sri or actually just AutoMojo
22:25 xantus yea
22:25 xantus version check, dl, and run
22:25 sri yea :)
22:27 xantus hey, I was still having an issue with client and chunked requests
22:27 xantus but I moved the request to a timer so it would fire after start
22:27 xantus and it was ok
22:28 sri that might be fixed on github
22:28 xantus the whole walk of building a tx and passing it to client->async->process
22:28 xantus and using the res->body callback
22:29 xantus I'm using the latest
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22:29 xantus well, it works.  and it beats what I had before..parsing the chunked responses myself :/
22:29 sri :)
22:30 xantus with couchdb, you can se heartbeat=$ms
22:30 sri well, if you think there's a bug please try turning it into a unit test and i'll take care of it ;)
22:30 xantus s/se/set/
22:30 xantus and body will keep firing as a heartbeat keeping the keepalive awake, etc
22:31 sri <3 couchdb
22:31 xantus love the _changes api
22:32 xantus I want to hold the clients at mojo and have a single watching on couch
22:32 xantus I feel I have better control of the session, auth, etc
22:33 yko Has anyone got problem, when apache does not shows user mojolicious output, just sending Content-length: 0\nContent-type: text/plain?
22:33 sri yko: never
22:34 yko damn... if i close STDOUT and open it on file, i see normal output in that file
22:34 * sri reads ykos mind
22:34 yko if i send that output with another script just as is, apache renders it normally
22:35 yko sorry, nevermind
22:35 sri i sense you are talking about cgi
22:35 yko gg
22:35 yko yes, sorry
22:36 sri think i've never seen cgi not working
22:37 yko oooh, i saw that many times :p
22:37 yko starting from CGI/fCGI detection :D
22:37 sri ;p
22:37 sri i heard that a few times
22:37 sri but people never send patches...
22:38 yko yes, that lazy people...
22:38 sri they always just accept that we detect PATH_INFO and don't bother investigating what variables are better for cgi detection...
22:38 * yko whistle
22:38 sri damn lazy people!
22:38 yko yes, you are right... that lazy people...
22:39 * yko whistles, looking at ceil...
22:39 sri if i ever get ahold of those lazy people...
22:40 sri some are so lazy they even forget they already complained about it and do it again!
22:40 yko ehhm... poor lazy people then :)
22:51 xantus arg
22:51 xantus I just want to quit, and work on cool stuff while someone sponsers me
22:51 xantus how can I make that happen
22:52 sri sign me up too!
22:52 sri at least you are at the right place for it to happen
22:52 xantus mos def
22:53 xantus have you heard the story of the couchdb developer
22:53 sri couchio?
22:53 sri i follow every move they make :D
22:55 sri it's pretty much the perfect company as far as i can see
22:55 sri and i can totally see them become profitable
22:58 xantus oh
22:58 xantus I love how I can attach files to a couch doc
22:58 xantus and it just works when syncing
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23:09 xantus buahaha, I just made my friend laugh him self to death
23:09 xantus I said, "using Java is like sitting on your own balls"
23:17 xantus wait, wtf
23:17 xantus Wed Jun 30 16:16:03 2010 error Mojo::Client:702 [18558]: Event "read" failed for connection "IO::Socket::INET=GLOB(0xa70c468)": malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 (before "(end of string)") at (eval 284) line 163.
23:18 sri feeding undef to a json decoder
23:19 xantus yeah, wierd
23:19 xantus I see
23:19 sri failed request i guess
23:22 xantus it looked like a mojo client issue, but it failed because of my callback
23:22 xantus :/ my bad
23:22 sri yea, we catch all callback errors
23:23 sri same philosophy as the server part, nothing should be able to bring the mainloop down
23:23 sri because bad things happen
23:24 sri but ideas for making error messages more obvious are welcome :)
23:25 xantus here's a changes response
23:25 xantus [{"seq":1,"id":"1234","changes":[{"rev":"1-4a7e​4ae49c4366eaed8edeaea8f784ad"}]}\r{"seq":2,"id"​:"12345","changes":[{"rev":"1-4a7e4ae49c4366eae​d8edeaea8f784ad"}]}\r{"seq":3,"id":"123456","ch​anges":[{"rev":"1-4a7e4ae49c4366eaed8edeaea8f78​4ad"}]}\r{"seq":4,"id":"1234567","changes":[{"r​ev":"1-4a7e4ae49c4366eaed8edeaea8f784ad"}]}\r]
23:26 xantus I encoded the \x0A as \r for readablity
23:26 xantus oh, ignore the [ ]
23:27 sri wonder if they are planning to support websockets
23:28 xantus thats what I was wondering
23:28 xantus but I can support all types of polling, longpolling, websockets with mojo anyway
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23:28 GitHub134 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 2b814fb (1 files in 1 dirs): cleanup - http://bit.ly/cE0Dqr
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23:32 sri i'm starting to dislike apple
23:32 * sri wants imovie on the iphone 3gs
23:34 xantus I'm not getting another iphone until they come out on verizon
23:34 sri that shouldn't be too far away
23:34 sri they are negotiating with 3 or so additional carriers here in germany right now
23:37 xantus Rumors are Jan in the US
23:39 sri that would be a bad time
23:39 sri just a few months away from the next iphone
23:39 xantus my couchdb tv show database is 1.3gb now
23:39 xantus lol
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