Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-07-05

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11:11 * sri yawns
11:25 * lbr flicks a bottle cap into the hole
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11:52 sri more beer!
11:55 dotan I think it's the bad code that encourages the Dancer community to contribute more!
11:55 sri oh noes, we need more bad code!
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12:26 sri the heat is killing me :(
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12:34 marcus hah
12:35 sri heh
12:35 marcus http://use.perl.org/comments​.pl?sid=43486&cid=72143
12:35 garfield [ Mojolicious::Lite ]
12:35 garfield http://xrl.us/bhqthn
12:35 sri vti betrayed us? :o
12:36 sri i somehow doubt that
12:36 sri guess it's time for a final statement from me :)
12:37 marcus sri: maybe show some grace in this issue?
12:37 sri and to claim the moral highground
12:37 marcus go for it
12:37 sri yea
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12:44 sri ice cream time!
12:44 marcus oooh
12:47 sri häagen dasz chocolate ice cream with chocolate chips....*drool*
12:48 Grauwolf sri: haeagen dasz cookies & cream > *
12:48 sri and maybe chocolate sauce :)
12:48 sri Grauwolf: when it comes to cookie ice cream i prefer ben & jerries
12:49 Grauwolf pf
13:11 dotan sri: Sukria gets the moral high ground, you get ice cream. Sounds fair to me.
13:12 sri dotan: i want both!
13:12 sri and actually, i've just claimed both :)
13:15 lbr you can't claim the moral high ground after demolishing the mountains
13:16 * sri demolishes some ice cream
13:36 marcus sri: are you fat yet?
13:36 marcus I mean, you seem to be eating ice cream all the time ;)
13:36 marcus casey just told you to shut the fuck up btw :p
13:40 marcus memowe: We miss you!
13:40 marcus memowe: I saw you tweeting like 4 hours ago ;)
13:54 sri marcus: heh, nope not yet
13:55 sri marcus: thats a nice t-shirt
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13:58 sri memowe: CAN HAZ PATCH?
13:58 marcus sri: I have one, but it's like XXXL :/
13:59 sri marcus: eat more ice cream!
13:59 marcus bike less!
14:00 marcus sri: did vti switch to dancer?
14:00 sri Oo
14:01 sri i don't think vti is online at all
14:01 marcus maybe he's in his village :)
14:01 sri maybe he went to france to join dancer :o
14:02 marcus are you human? Or are you dancer?
14:03 sri damn...twitter having hiccups again :S
14:04 sri http://github.com/vti/ # he's still pushing commits to his repo
14:04 garfield [ vti's Profile - GitHub ]
14:04 sri i bet he's moving again and has no internet at home or so
14:27 sri hmm, liam neeson as hannibal smith is weird
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14:33 sri it's an ok action movie... but not the a-team...
14:36 esskar sri: you watched it?
14:36 sri yea
14:36 marcus I plan to see 'The Losers' tonight
14:36 marcus not seen A-Team yet
14:36 sri the loosers was better
14:36 sri *-o
14:36 marcus good stuff
14:37 esskar i watched "cinderella man" on sunday. good movie i think
14:37 sri Oo
14:37 esskar i like movies based on true stories!
14:39 sri hope i won't get forced to watch the latest twilight movie *shudders*
14:39 marcus esskar: I thought you were the one talking about 'Helvetica' being a girl's movie ?
14:39 marcus :-o
14:39 sri lol
14:40 sri typesettign is about as manly as it gets...
14:41 marcus hot and sweatty lead
14:41 marcus ;)
14:44 sri btw. i will stick with myriad pro for mojolicious
14:44 esskar yes, but i watched rambo 1 to 3 afterwards ;)
14:45 sri so you watched a half naked bodybuilder for 6 hours?
14:45 esskar has anyone watched this new leo di caprio movie yet?
14:46 esskar sri... yep, nothing girly about that ;)
14:46 sri Oo
14:47 marcus esskar: shutter island?
14:47 esskar i think so
14:48 sri awful movie imo
14:48 marcus I wasn't too impressed either
14:48 esskar hmm
14:48 sri it's a movie for the critics
14:49 sri you can interpret a lot into it
14:49 esskar hmm, now, i meant a diferent movie
14:50 esskar and i think it was not leo
14:50 esskar jsut saw the trailler the other day
14:50 esskar some building flipped over somehow
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14:53 sri yko: we want vti back!
14:54 yko hmm. what you can offer to me to bring vti back to you?
14:54 yko B-|
14:54 sri i could trade him for marcus
14:54 esskar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66TuSJo4dZM
14:54 garfield [ YouTube - 'Inception' Trailer 2 HD ]
14:54 esskar it was leo
14:54 yko hmm. marcus.. hmm
14:54 yko no.
14:55 sri :/
14:56 yko vti.. that smiling one in so lovely hat....
14:57 yko and you offer me only marcus? :\
14:57 sri hmm
14:58 marcus yeah, I'm old and useless, you wouldn't want me.
14:59 yko aha.. and you remember that two girls? redhat and brunette... if i bring vti to you, what should i do with them both?
14:59 marcus redhat?
14:59 sri lol
14:59 yko Im old also and useless, and that pair is young and demanding...
15:00 marcus yko: little red riding hood?
15:00 yko only that smiling guy in t-shirt and and hat can statisfy them :)
15:00 marcus http://manhattaninfidel.com/__oneclick_upl​oads/2010/01/little-red-riding-hood-1.jpg
15:00 garfield http://xrl.us/bhqtu5
15:00 yko giggle
15:02 sri oooh, dancer people attacking now :o
15:02 sri http://twitter.com/bigpresh/status/17794533005
15:02 garfield [ Twitter / David Precious: @kraih You do realise that ... ]
15:03 sri too bad taunting has no effect on me
15:03 sri now i'll flood my twitter stream with positive news :)
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15:05 * yko likes little-red-riding-hood more
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15:09 sri so, what do you want for vti?
15:10 marcus yko: you can have David Precious.
15:11 * sri giggles
15:13 sri marcus: btw. you were right about open source ec2 http://open.eucalyptus.com/
15:13 garfield [ Eucalyptus Community ]
15:14 yko hmm David Precious?
15:14 yko who is mr. Putin?
15:14 sri http://open.eucalyptus.com/​wiki/EucalyptusInstall_v1.6 # they have a walrus!!!
15:14 garfield [ Installing Eucalyptus (1.6) | Eucalyptus Community ]
15:14 garfield http://xrl.us/bhqtwa
15:15 marcus I thought it was pandas who loved eucalpytus
15:15 marcus eucalyptus even
15:16 yko pandas love bamboo, didnt they?
15:17 marcus ah, koalas
15:17 marcus not pandas
15:18 yko :)
15:18 sri :)
15:26 Esteban this rant was a bad idea I think (I'm new to mojo), this gives a bad image over the project :/
15:26 sri Esteban: i disagree
15:26 Esteban that's my point of view
15:26 sri the outcome was rather positive
15:27 Esteban it's ... well... unfair
15:27 sri how so?
15:28 Esteban I don't know, it's like spitting on your challenger, it doesn't give a high image of Mojo
15:29 sri being a little badass never hurt anyone
15:30 Esteban so you're aware you're a badass? that's a good start :)
15:31 Esteban happy spitting then
15:31 sri you need different marketing strategies to reach different groups of users
15:31 sri ranting is rather popular with the old school perl folks
15:31 sri but it's not all i do as you can see now :)
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15:32 * marcus cracks the whip. Back to the guide saltmine, sri!
15:32 Esteban well,frankly I wasn't aware of you
15:32 Esteban now, I  now that you're this kind of person
15:33 Esteban and I will certainly remeber you more like that than anything
15:33 sri Esteban: you got aware of me because of the rant?
15:33 sri Esteban: that actually proves my point :D
15:34 sri now that you are aware of me i can convince you that in reality i'm actually quite nice
15:34 * lbr will remember sri from that movie with the midget and the donkey
15:34 * lbr shivers and bursts into tears
15:34 * sri throws angry tweets at lbr
15:35 Esteban sri: I doubt that
15:35 Esteban sri: I don't like this kind of attitude
15:35 sri all marketing is good marketing in the end
15:35 sri sometimes it needs to be a rant
15:36 Esteban well, I don't like this way of doing things, this only proves one thing, Dancer is a threat in your mind
15:36 Esteban and it shows you're an aggressive person also
15:36 Esteban so as a potential user, I'm a bit afraid of that
15:37 sri i would call it passionate
15:38 sri i'm passionate enough about my project to defend it publicly, that should actually assure you as a potential user
15:38 sri i stand behind every single design decision
15:40 sri to change the status quo you just have to be controversial or even provocative at times
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15:41 lbr "it's just a web framework"
15:41 Esteban this is clearly *not* the way I see FOSS
15:41 sri these days i've even got much more moderate, you should have seen me back in the catalyst days ;p
15:41 Esteban moreover, from within the Perl community itself, it's sad
15:41 Esteban really
15:42 sri you don't win by being nice all the time, sad but true
15:42 Esteban moreover I've looked at both Mojo and Dancer, to me, it's OK to have both in the ecosystem, I don't see the problem actually :)
15:43 Esteban anyways, thanks for the chat
15:43 lbr moose vs. non-moose, dbix::class vs class::dbi, nms vs matts script archive, perl4 vs perl5, perl5 vs perl6, marcus vs marcus
15:44 lbr from within the Perl community itself, indeed
15:44 sri evolution is a war
15:44 * lbr prefers marcus to marcus
15:45 sri ok, i don't get that one
15:45 lbr nah, he's overrated either way
15:45 * lbr starts nmr
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15:52 sri idealists are funny
16:00 sri it's crazy how much more people you reach with a rant
16:01 sri everybody loves drama, but almost nobody admits it :)
16:15 sri oh, i completely missed shrek 4 :o
16:45 sri we have spies here
16:45 sri https://gist.github.com/464443/bea81​c3b03f0e1b815e2ed546d1df8a33379a753
16:45 garfield http://xrl.us/bhqt5h
16:46 sri my evil plans exposed once again :(
16:48 sri "Tomorrow night, Pinky, we will come up with a new plan. One that isn't foiled by the atomic weight of gold."
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16:52 sri ironically this revelation will work against him, now he will just ignore all my criticism and keep on ruining the sinatra concept
16:54 sri best case outcome :)
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17:05 marcus nice quote
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17:39 merlyn ok - you've convinced me to look at mojo again. :)
17:39 sri \o/
17:39 merlyn but what do I need to do to get "./myapp psgi" to do something
17:39 merlyn it just returns immediately to the prompt
17:40 sri you don't have to do anything, thats the clue :)
17:40 sri plackup myapp.pl
17:40 merlyn ... Error while loading webby.pm: No such file or directory at (eval 7) line 4.
17:40 merlyn where "webby" is my app's name
17:40 merlyn using mojolicious lite
17:41 sri with plackup?
17:41 merlyn made with mojolicious generate lite_app webby
17:41 merlyn yes, that's the error I get with plackup
17:41 sri weird, thats not coming from mojolicious i think
17:41 merlyn well - that's the latest mojo and latest Plack
17:42 merlyn try it yourself :)
17:42 sri second
17:43 sri plack bug :)
17:43 sri rename it to webby.pl
17:43 sri plack seems to somehow depend on file ending
17:43 merlyn Ahh.  I see
17:43 merlyn and that's just wrong
17:43 merlyn I hate .pl on Perl programs
17:44 merlyn .pl means perl *library*
17:44 merlyn .plx was supposed to mean perl executable, but it never took off
17:44 merlyn good that seems to be working now
17:45 merlyn now to design my app
17:49 * sri goes back to doc writing
17:50 merlyn but the psgi option still doesn't do anything
17:50 merlyn why is it there then?
17:51 merlyn ./webby psgi
17:51 merlyn it should probably say "silly, say plackup webby"
17:51 merlyn it claims -   psgi             Start application with PSGI backend.
17:52 merlyn oh - and similar problem with mojolicious (not lite)
17:52 merlyn ... Can't locate object method "new" via package "CG::Portal" at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_​perl/5.10.1/Mojo/Server.pm line 25
17:52 merlyn from "plackup script/c_g_portal"
17:53 merlyn do I need to rename that to .pl too?
17:53 sri thats actually mentioned in the cookbook on github
17:53 sri plack makes it impossible to detect the home directory for apps
17:54 merlyn so is there a workaround?
17:56 sri http://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/mast​er/lib/Mojolicious/Guides/Cookbook.pod # "PSGI/Plack"
17:56 garfield [ lib/Mojolicious/Guides/Cookbook.pod at master from kraih's mojo - GitHub ]
17:56 garfield http://xrl.us/bhqamg
17:57 sri seems i can't like to a specific line :(
17:57 sri *link
17:57 merlyn ok I found it in there.
17:58 merlyn have to put MOJO_HOME
17:58 merlyn would that be the directory that contains lib and templates ?
17:58 merlyn or the one above it?
17:58 sri the one with lib and templates
17:59 merlyn yeah, that didn't help
17:59 merlyn still same error
17:59 sri are you in that dirctory when calling plackup?
18:00 merlyn yes
18:00 merlyn env MOJO_HOME=`pwd` plackup script/c_g_portal
18:00 sri i bet it's the FindBin stuff breaking with plackup in the script
18:01 merlyn this all looked so easy at yapc
18:01 merlyn it Just Worked
18:01 sri hehe...
18:01 merlyn now I'm less of a believer
18:01 merlyn so what's the workaround now?
18:01 sri the plackup loader is rather painful
18:02 sri you can always edit the script and hardcode the lib path
18:02 merlyn I hate findbin anyway
18:02 merlyn it always seems to break
18:02 sri think i'll add another workaround on github
18:02 merlyn I just use dirname on the __FILE__
18:02 merlyn works nicely
18:03 merlyn __FILE__ always has the right sort of thing
18:03 sri hmm
18:03 merlyn once I figured that trick out, I completely gave up on FindBin
18:04 sri that could work here too
18:06 sri ah, your app might be a bit dated, we added "use lib join '/', File::Spec->splitdir(getcwd), 'lib';" to the generator a few months ago specifically for plack
18:07 merlyn my app?
18:07 sri your mojolicious app
18:07 sri the normal one
18:07 merlyn my app was generated five minutes ago from "mojolicious generate app"
18:07 sri Oo
18:08 merlyn if that's dated, this is moving WAY too fast
18:08 merlyn "we fixed this three minutes ago!  update now!"
18:09 sri argh, it's not in the mojolicious generator
18:09 merlyn heh... I'm your test bed again. :)
18:09 sri i blame plack -.-
18:10 * sri sneaks away
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18:15 GitHub101 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 60b020a (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed path detection bug in generated scripts - http://bit.ly/ds3Jvq
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18:16 sri fixed
18:16 sri i'll investigate the __FILE__ idea though, might be the better solution
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18:45 GitHub67 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * f7588aa (4 files in 3 dirs): improved path detection a bit - http://bit.ly/c0Qa3a
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19:10 GitHub41 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a2d5946 (4 files in 3 dirs): cleanup - http://bit.ly/dih0KT
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