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perlrocks |
Twitter: "perldancer.org doesn't respond. #mojolicious team's dirty tricks? :)" --ysyrota http://twitter.com/ysyrota/status/22393392177 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / Yuriy Syrota: perldancer.org doesn't res ... ] |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "How to document Mojolicious is fairly easy to read and think. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Mojolicious/" (ja) --hisaichi5518 http://twitter.com/hisaichi551[…]tatus/22437015214 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "RT @ hisaichi5518: Mojolicious think writing documentation is quite easy to read. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Mojolicious/" (ja) --AE_PerlIsm http://twitter.com/AE_PerlIsm/status/22437015828 |
| 13:23 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / ひさいち: Mojoliciousのドキュメントの書き方は結構読 ... ] |
| 13:23 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / ひさいち: Mojoliciousのドキュメントの書き方は結構読 ... ] |
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AL-76 |
http://xrl.us/bhxmzw |
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sri |
can't wait to port Mojo::JSON and Mojo::DOM to perl 5.10+ |
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sri |
recursive regex should be much easier and faster |
| 16:47 |
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crab |
when do you plan to do it? |
| 16:48 |
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sri |
it all depends on redhat basically |
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sri |
i think they upgrade to 5.10 next year or so |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Very tempted to make #mojolicious depend on #perl 5.10, the new regex engine is so much better." --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/22452187855 |
| 16:56 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / Sebastian Riedel: Very tempted to make #mojo ... ] |
| 16:57 |
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crab |
can't it be written such that if you build it with newer perl, you get the faster version? |
| 16:57 |
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crab |
as long as people use 5.8.x the old branch will continue to be tested; and when it's finally dead, it can be dropped. |
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sri |
dunno, but i'm not very motivated to maintain multiple versions |
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crab |
i know the feeling. |
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skaurus |
oh noes! upgrading mod_perl to 5.10 on centos is so hard |
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skaurus |
i don't use mod_perl now, but anyway %) |
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vti |
mojo rocks! |
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crab |
back and forth! |
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* yko |
giggles |
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vti |
2 minutes |
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vti |
too bad.... :) |
| 17:32 |
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yko |
hmm |
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* marcus |
just returned to civilization |
| 17:34 |
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vti |
marcus: where've you been? ;p |
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marcus |
vti: North-Trøndelag |
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marcus |
vti: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=[…],+Norway&t=h&z=14 |
| 17:35 |
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AL-76 |
[ Follafoss, Verran, Norway - Google Maps ] |
| 17:35 |
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AL-76 |
http://xrl.us/bhxnit |
| 17:35 |
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marcus |
a place so remote, google does not have good images of it. |
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crab |
ah, trøndelag. wish i could have gone hiking there when i visited. |
| 17:36 |
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janus |
as remote as members of the german political parties :P |
| 17:36 |
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yko |
google does not have good images of whole country i live! |
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yko |
:'( |
| 17:37 |
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vti |
yko: where is that? |
| 17:37 |
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yko |
oh, you don't know that place... |
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marcus |
uzbekistan? |
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vti |
the center of the universe? :D |
| 17:37 |
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vti |
marcus: you're doomed now :) |
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marcus |
vti: can expect horse head in my bed any day now? |
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sri |
:o |
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sri |
in soviet russia maps google you! |
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nuclon |
yko: Kyiv? |
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nuclon |
yko: afaik google maps does have good images |
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nuclon |
yko: otherwise - there is yandex maps with street view :) |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "I've got reports stating Mojo::DOM to be 20 times faster on #perl 5.10 than on 5.8, even without recursive regular expressions! #mojolicious" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/22456132909 |
| 17:56 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / Sebastian Riedel: I've got reports stating M ... ] |
| 18:00 |
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vti |
sri: what have you been doing for 2 minutes? |
| 18:01 |
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ysyrota |
nuclon: google use maps from the same provider, so they are identical |
| 18:01 |
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sri |
vti: ? Oo |
| 18:02 |
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vti |
sri: :) |
| 18:02 |
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nuclon |
ysyrota: probably, but google doesn't have street view for kyiv :) |
| 18:03 |
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vti |
google is evil |
| 18:06 |
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nuclon |
yakudza: sources of satellite images are different |
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ysyrota |
vti: how do you search then? |
| 18:06 |
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vti |
!tweet #Mojolicious is like #Perl on steroids! |
| 18:06 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "#Mojolicious is like #Perl on steroids! --vti" --perlrocks http://twitter.com/perlrocks/status/22456745655 |
| 18:06 |
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perlrocks |
vti: http://twitter.com/perlrocks/status/22456745655 |
| 18:06 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / Perl Rocks: #Mojolicious is like #Perl ... ] |
| 18:06 |
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AL-76 |
[ Twitter / Perl Rocks: #Mojolicious is like #Perl ... ] |
| 18:06 |
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vti |
ysyrota: soviet russia searches you! |
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sri |
duckduckgo! |
| 18:07 |
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sri |
(even though it's using bing behind the scenes) |
| 18:07 |
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crab |
great, now every time someone posts to twitter, we'll get four messages on irc. |
| 18:07 |
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vti |
duct tape! |
| 18:07 |
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sri |
what is AL-76? |
| 18:08 |
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vti |
soviet spy |
| 18:08 |
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AL-76 was kicked by sri: AL-76 |
| 18:08 |
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* sri |
gabs torch and pitchfork |
| 18:08 |
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sri |
*+r |
| 18:08 |
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vti |
:D |
| 18:08 |
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ysyrota |
sri: so, microsoft isn't evil anymore? :) |
| 18:09 |
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sri |
microsoft is the underdog these days |
| 18:09 |
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sri |
so they're cool again |
| 18:09 |
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vti |
ymicrosoft doesn't exist |
| 18:11 |
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vti |
ysyrota: where are you from? |
| 18:12 |
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ysyrota |
vti: Ukraine |
| 18:13 |
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vti |
ysyrota: hm..... what city? |
| 18:13 |
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ysyrota |
wow, dukgo uses perl crawlers. they must be good boys :) |
| 18:13 |
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* vti |
drinks vodka today |
| 18:13 |
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ysyrota |
vti: Rivne |
| 18:13 |
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vti |
ysyrota: nice :) |
| 18:14 |
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ysyrota |
vti: are you from FSB? :) |
| 18:14 |
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vti |
sri: do you drink vodka? |
| 18:14 |
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vti |
ysyrota: cia ;p |
| 18:14 |
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sri |
only if i don't have tequilla |
| 18:15 |
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vti |
sri: good vodka is the best thing, the worst vodka is the worst thing ever |
| 18:16 |
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sri |
which vodka do you recommend? |
| 18:17 |
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vti |
ukrainian is the best these days, but ti's too expncive in europe |
| 18:18 |
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vti |
absolut or hortytsia |
| 18:19 |
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ysyrota |
sri: I like Nemiroff or Khortytsia |
| 18:19 |
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sri |
absolut sounds familiar |
| 18:19 |
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crab |
what's a really bad vodka? |
| 18:20 |
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ysyrota |
crab: warm vodka |
| 18:22 |
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DaTa |
wodka is boring, obstler ftw! |
| 18:23 |
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sri |
fruit schnaps |
| 18:23 |
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crab |
all my obstlers are finished :-( |
| 18:23 |
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vti |
ysyrota: киев |
| 18:24 |
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vti |
never tried schnaps |
| 18:24 |
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vti |
only have seen it in movies :) |
| 18:24 |
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nuclon |
vti: not "vodka" but "horilka" :) |
| 18:25 |
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vti |
nuclon: ich bin russische schwein :) |
| 18:25 |
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DaTa |
vti: vodka is schnaps too :) |
| 18:25 |
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* sri |
wonders why nobody brought up absinth yet |
| 18:25 |
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nuclon |
shnaps is 30%, vodka is 40% |
| 18:26 |
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ysyrota |
so, with shnaps you have more time |
| 18:26 |
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nuclon |
interesting. russian wikipedia says 30%, english one says 40% |
| 18:27 |
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nuclon |
oh, 40% is about german schnaps |
| 18:27 |
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vti |
% != ˚ |
| 18:28 |
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DaTa |
nuclon: in fact schnaps is just colloquial for distilled beverage |
| 18:29 |
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sri |
http://www.kleinerfeigling.com # i think this is the most popular vodka mix in germany |
| 18:29 |
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sri |
don't think many people drink vodka pure here |
| 18:29 |
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DaTa |
why? it has no taste at all :) |
| 18:30 |
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vti |
drinking vodka mixed is really dumb |
| 18:30 |
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sri |
kleiner feigling is pretty damn good though |
| 18:31 |
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sri |
fruity and vodka, best of both worlds :D |
| 18:31 |
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vti |
sri: german ;p |
| 18:33 |
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DaTa |
i only drink vodka if i get toothache on weekend 8-) |
| 18:36 |
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vti |
vodka is good only when you have a good food, and you drink only vodka, otherwires it is stupid |
| 18:37 |
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sri |
bread, caviar and vodka? |
| 18:37 |
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ysyrota |
yko's fix for 'extends' made my extended templates doesn't produce content |
| 18:38 |
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crab |
i don't understand how template inheritance works |
| 18:38 |
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sri |
i've not found a great example for explaining it yet :( |
| 18:38 |
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sri |
contributions would be very welcome |
| 18:39 |
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sri |
rails and django use pretty much the same system btw. |
| 18:39 |
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ysyrota |
I thought it is simple, extended template get all content of parent |
| 18:40 |
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sri |
the first to define content wins basically |
| 18:40 |
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ysyrota |
sri: with yko's fix. <%== content %> returns content defined in top parent |
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sri |
thats correct |
| 18:41 |
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sri |
first wins |
| 18:41 |
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ysyrota |
sri: but it's useless. how can I override content in child? |
| 18:42 |
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sri |
do you mean top as in first in chain or last? |
| 18:42 |
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sri |
a > b > c |
| 18:42 |
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vti |
d? |
| 18:42 |
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ysyrota |
first (father beats child) |
| 18:43 |
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vti |
what? that's cruel |
| 18:43 |
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vti |
sri: i've got deutsch b1 today :) |
| 18:43 |
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vti |
285 yout of 3000 :) |
| 18:43 |
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vti |
oh |
| 18:43 |
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vti |
285/300 :) |
| 18:44 |
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sri |
ysyrota: the double_inheritance example in t/mojolicious/lite_app.t seems to work flawless |
| 18:45 |
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sri |
ysyrota: layout > extends (with content) > extends (overloading named block) |
| 18:46 |
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crab |
i think i want a way to append content to a block |
| 18:46 |
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sri |
double_inheritance.html.ep extends template_inheritance.html.ep to overload the sidebar |
| 18:47 |
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marcus |
kinky |
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sri |
crab: don't you think that might get too complicated? |
| 18:47 |
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marcus |
sri: congrat on finishing ep2 |
| 18:48 |
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crab |
it might. i'm going to try it out and see how it looks. |
| 18:48 |
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sri |
marcus: final level is insane |
| 18:48 |
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marcus |
sri: I got kidn of stuck on 15 |
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sri |
crab: people already have problems understanding |
| 18:48 |
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marcus |
sri: playing monster dash now. |
| 18:49 |
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crab |
basically, i want to be able to declare that my page contains an "X" component, and have that X say "i need <...this...> in the <script> stuff in <head>, and <...this...> in the <style> section, etc." |
| 18:49 |
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vti |
!tweet They just ignore me. |
| 18:49 |
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perlrocks |
vti: http://twitter.com/perlrocks/status/22459399385 |
| 18:50 |
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ysyrota |
sri: are you talking about main tree? I just tried changes from yko's tree |
| 18:50 |
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marcus |
!tweet it's for the best. |
| 18:50 |
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perlrocks |
marcus: http://twitter.com/perlrocks/status/22459425533 |
| 18:50 |
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ysyrota |
sri: source code from your tree works well so far |
| 18:54 |
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sri |
marcus: 15 is where it starts to get tricky :) |
| 18:54 |
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sri |
marcus: next few get much harder |
| 18:55 |
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marcus |
sri: Guess I'll never finish it then ;-) |
| 18:55 |
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sri |
ysyrota: aren't ykos changes merged yet? |
| 18:57 |
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ysyrota |
sri: I'm not sure, but is main tree works for me... it seems that it aren't merged yet |
| 18:57 |
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sri |
marcus: the bonus level this time is a separate game :) |
| 18:58 |
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sri |
ysyrota: maybe he just broke something then |
| 18:58 |
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marcus |
hmm, EFI update for my laptop |
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sri |
i don't think extends needs fixing |
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vti |
.цшт 2 |
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yko |
ysyrota: i've been waiting for your test. So i didn't send any pull requests to sri about 'extends' patch |
| 19:08 |
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sri |
yko: i don't think extends needs fixing |
| 19:08 |
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yko |
it's not fix... it's extend... :) |
| 19:08 |
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yko |
but if you think so, then ti's don't, sure |
| 19:12 |
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esskar_ |
is there a way to detect if a plugin is loaded inside a other plugin? |
| 19:14 |
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yko |
UNIVERSAL::can('Mojolicious::Plugin::PluginName', 'can') :) |
| 19:14 |
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yko |
but it's ughly |
| 19:14 |
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crab |
that also doesn't mean it's been registered yet, does it? |
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sri |
usually does |
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sri |
as long as people use app->plugin(...) |
| 19:19 |
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crab |
ah right |
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sri |
if you depend on a helper you could also check for its existence |
| 19:22 |
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yko |
I don't remember if Mojolicious somehow registers loaded plugins, but if plugin's module loaded - i think plugin also loaded (but it can be not true for example if you have nested app or something else) |
| 19:22 |
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sri |
doesn't register |
| 19:24 |
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sri |
it's the most minimalistic plugin system you can imagine |
| 19:24 |
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sri |
only loads a module, instantiates and calls a method |
| 19:25 |
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sri |
the actual power comes from all the little apis mojolicious components provide |
| 19:26 |
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sri |
helpers are managed by the rendrer for example |
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tempire |
huh. snow leopard ships with 5.8.9. |
| 19:39 |
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sri |
and 5.10 |
| 19:39 |
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tempire |
yeah. I just learned you can switch it with env variables. |
| 19:39 |
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tempire |
neat. |
| 19:40 |
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vti |
you can compile too! ;p |
| 19:41 |
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tempire |
5.8.9 fails compilation on snow leopard. |
| 19:41 |
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tempire |
I don't feel like troubleshooting why. |
| 19:41 |
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vti |
i've succesfully compiled 5.10 |
| 19:42 |
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diegok |
tempire: did you tried using perlbrew? |
| 19:42 |
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tempire |
Yep. That's what I'm referring to. 5.8.8 & 5.8.9 fail with perlbrew |
| 19:43 |
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diegok |
tempire: I'm using 5.10 from macports and 5.12 from perlbrew... |
| 19:43 |
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diegok |
:( |
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vti |
just download from cpan |
| 19:44 |
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tempire |
manual labor. |
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* diegok |
manual labor is fun! |
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diegok |
:p |
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diegok |
hm, that could be a spanish joke only... |
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sri |
http://h4ck-n-lash.no.de # damn, a game on the website, thats brilliant |
| 22:22 |
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tempire |
I'm winning |
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sri |
keeps crashing :S |
| 22:26 |
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tempire |
Does Mojo::DOM provide a way to access the cdata content, without the <![CDATA[ ... ]]>? |
| 22:26 |
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sri |
cdata gets treated as normal text |
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sri |
it just affects escaping/unescaping |
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sri |
->text and ->all_text will give you cdata too |
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skaurus |
sri: can I encode uri with pure mojolicous? |
| 22:27 |
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sri |
of course |
| 22:27 |
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sri |
Mojo::ByteStream has all kinds of escaping/unescaping functions |
| 22:28 |
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skaurus |
i grepped sources and didn't find... oh, i'm even dont look there, thought it all about binary :) |
| 22:28 |
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skaurus |
thanks |
| 22:28 |
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sri |
i wish it was easy to split character and byte manipulation :/ |
| 22:29 |
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sri |
it's a complicated topic in perl sadly |
| 22:29 |
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skaurus |
and one more question... is there a place where i can populate Controller object with some my variables? |
| 22:30 |
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sri |
use the stash |
| 22:30 |
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skaurus |
i can call some func inside each method and populate $self with anything |
| 22:30 |
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skaurus |
but maybe some central place? |
| 22:30 |
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skaurus |
like "before"? |
| 22:31 |
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sri |
well, it's just a perl object |
| 22:31 |
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sri |
you can always overload new |
| 22:31 |
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skaurus |
nice idea, thanks :) |
| 22:33 |
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tempire |
skaurus: You might be wanting a routing bridge. |
| 22:33 |
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sri |
or just app->defaults(...) |
| 22:34 |
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skaurus |
tempire: what is a "routing bridge" |
| 22:34 |
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* skaurus |
google defaults |
| 22:34 |
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tempire |
Mojolicious::Guides::Routing |
| 22:34 |
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sri |
it's all in the guides |
| 22:34 |
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tempire |
under the heading, 'ADVANCED' |
| 22:35 |
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skaurus |
tempire: i missed question mark in previous message) and thanks! |
| 22:38 |
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skaurus |
sometimes something easy to find only if you already know where it is... i had no glue it will be smth inside routing guide, and altough i read all guides, i can't say i remember each topic in them :) |
| 22:38 |
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skaurus |
so, sorry for my questions, "guide questions" will repeat) |
| 22:39 |
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skaurus |
*but |
| 22:41 |
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skaurus |
tempire: I didn't find about bridges here: http://github.com/kraih/mojo/b[…]des/Rendering.pod. Maybe you mean helpers? |
| 22:42 |
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tempire |
You want Routing.pod, not Rendering.pod |
| 22:42 |
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skaurus |
oh fuck |
| 23:07 |
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tempire |
bug! |
| 23:08 |
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tempire |
sri: Ok, so each submission I've made, I've done something wrong - rebasing to master, I think you said. |
| 23:10 |
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sri |
oh noes |
