Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-08-30

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00:07 skaurus sri: are there any way to get HTTP method of current request in controller?
00:14 tempire skaurus: $self->req->method
00:14 tempire http://search.cpan.org/dist/Mojolicio​us/lib/Mojo/Message/Request.pm#method
00:15 skaurus tempire: thanks)
01:04 sri *all* information about a request is available
01:05 sri with print $self->req you can even let mojolicious rebuild the request
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01:20 GitHub107 mojo: master Glen Hinkle * 1831c0c (1 files in 1 dirs): class selector with hyphen failing test
01:20 GitHub107 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * feceea2 (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed Mojo::DOM class selector bug
01:20 GitHub107 mojo: master commits ebfd0b4...feceea2 - http://bit.ly/9NLZaG
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01:22 * sri loves clean patches he can just cherry pick
01:22 sri tempire++
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03:22 tempire You know what would be neat?  Have Mojo::DOM->text be a Mojo::ByteStream object.
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08:29 marcus http://swarmation.com/
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09:07 janus yikes...
09:08 janus dieing in all callback is no good
09:09 janus $client->get($url => sub { die("eat my cycles") });
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09:21 janus as one line that ``works'' with git: perl -MMojo::Client -le '$cl = Mojo::Client->new(); $cl->get("http://heise.de" => sub { die("diediedie") })->process'
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09:28 perlrocks Twitter: "Perl. Send letters to Mojolicious http://ff.im/pUHLi" (ru) --sharifulin http://twitter.com/sharifulin/status/22510345361
09:34 perlrocks Twitter: "Anatoly Sharifulin: Perl. Send letters to Mojolicious http://ff.im/pUIlU" (ru) --planetperlru http://twitter.com/planetperlru/status/22510600623
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09:35 * janus is checking out Mojo::Client as a better perl http client in general :-)
09:36 yko didn't you know it? :)
09:36 janus well, haven't ported my use-cases yet... ;)
09:40 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: I've got reports stating Mojo::DOM to be 20 times faster on #perl 5.10 than on 5.8, even without recursive regular expression ..." --pwesolek http://twitter.com/pwesolek/status/22510888313
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14:10 fish_ i hate css..
14:13 janus http://picocool.com/images/uploads/img_1705.jpg -- unfortunately it comes without contents ;)
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14:23 janus wrt/ mojos streamability, someone thought about mojo::sax or the like yet?
14:24 janus maybe with css selectors to fire sax events...
14:34 marcus I've been thinking about Mojo::sex
14:36 janus isn't that a but much overhead for a ISO 5218 implementation ;)
14:36 janus s/u/i/
14:49 diegok Do I need to do something to make "daemon --reload" works? (It isn't reloading my app on changes)
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14:50 marcus need to light some black candles
14:50 diegok marcus: can be red ones?
14:50 diegok :p
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14:52 diegok no, seriously. Should I look on the implementation or some dependency if that is not working on my box?
14:53 * diegok tired of hit ctrl+c and restart manually on every change...
14:55 marcus works for me
14:57 diegok marcus: using cpan version?
15:00 marcus yes.
15:04 diegok hm, sounds like something wrong on my box, f*!
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15:42 sri janus: internally Mojo::DOM fires sax like events
15:42 sri diegok: never had problems with --reload
15:43 marcus sri: but can it parse a stream? :)
15:43 sri without the dom layer it could
15:44 marcus 'Will it stream' is the new 'Will it blend?'
15:44 sri xml sucks as a streaming format though
15:46 sri chunked and websocket are streaming formats, xml/json should always just be messages
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16:11 diegok sri: it is working now. I didn't change anything... maybe I was expecting to get a reload message, plus I suck at .ep so I was having several errors :-p
16:11 sri ;p
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16:11 diegok love & hate .ep :-p
16:12 diegok more hate by now...
16:12 sri WHERE IS THE LOVE?!
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16:12 diegok good question :)
16:12 * diegok thinking
16:13 diegok i like the fact that it is compiled to perl and sometimes i like to use just perl on the templates (I'm more used to TT)
16:14 sri i thought reporting errors was one of the things ep was good at
16:14 diegok sri: yes !
16:14 diegok I was just about to add that :)
16:14 sri :)
16:15 sri if it's just the tags, you can change them
16:15 sri [%= $foo %] would work just as well
16:15 diegok but, sucking at it syntax, sometimes I f* up some helper tag and I got the helper code :)
16:16 sri ah
16:16 diegok well, I would like to get used to what most pple is using so then I can read/share better...
16:16 sri make sure to get syntax highlighting for ep
16:16 sri it makes everything 100 times better
16:17 diegok so, if I can, I prefer to stick to guides usage ;-)
16:17 diegok hm, SH for ep sounds cool. I use vim, so there should be one already...right?
16:18 sri right, on the vim site called mojo.vim or so
16:19 diegok great!, I'm getting some SH, don't know why or if it is correct.. check now.
16:19 sri could be html or perl highlighting
16:22 sri http://twitpic.com/29y9v5/full # this is how my highlighting looks like :)
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16:22 diegok yes!, now I have the right one!, much better :)
16:25 sri when embedding a complicated language like perl proper highlighting is a difference like day and night :)
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16:29 diegok sri: thank you! => http://twitpic.com/2jph2w
16:31 sri os x terminal colors ruin it :S
16:32 sri really sucks that it doesn't support proper colors
16:33 sri if i was a vim user i just had to use MacVim :)
16:36 sri btw. we are just starting with tag helpers, so any feedback would be very welcome too
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16:44 diegok sri: well, I'm used to that colors, so is fine for me ;)
16:45 diegok can't use macvim under a screen ;)
16:46 diegok sri: tag helpers are really nice after I got a bit used to ep syntax :)
16:47 diegok sri: if I use "form_for [name]" and name was declared to be a post, why I should add the method attr?
16:48 sri hmm
16:48 sri because of any [qw/get post/] and stuff
16:49 sri maybe detection could work if we have only one method
16:49 sri btw. i'm still unsure about the block syntax <%= ... {%> lalala <%}%>
16:50 sri but i just can't think of a better alternative
16:50 diegok yes, I have two. One for get and another for post. That was why I named 'xxx_edit' & 'xxx_save' expecting to get the free method on forms :p
16:50 diegok yes, block syntax was the most tricky part of getting into ep for me.
16:51 diegok and the final <%}%> looks like a crappy xml tag...
16:52 diegok {| this is my block |} ?
16:53 diegok <%= ... {| lalala |}%>
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17:12 sri diegok: not much better
17:12 sri just as unnatural
17:12 diegok that means that you think it 'is' a bit better? :-p
17:13 diegok yes, you are right. Is not ovbious...
17:13 sri ;p
17:13 sri in ruby they use do blocks
17:13 sri <%= form_for do %> lalala <% end %>
17:14 diegok yes, when suggested that syntax I kind of mixed up the {|param| code} ruby syntax for blocks...
17:14 diegok :p
17:14 sri :)
17:15 sri <%= form_for sub { %> lalala <%};%> just doesn't look good
17:16 diegok <%= form_for do %> lalala <% end %> # <-- is this doable over current ep?
17:16 sri <%= form_for do%> lalala <%end%>
17:17 sri thats possible
17:17 sri the block chars are part of the tag
17:17 sri or actually
17:17 sri whitespace migth be valid too :o
17:18 diegok <%= form_for -%> lalala <%end%> ?
17:18 diegok don't like the 'do'
17:18 sri possible
17:18 sri <% end %> is possible too, you just have to hardcode the whitespace
17:18 diegok -%> means something like... this is not the end of this tag, keep going till end :)
17:19 sri it could be confused with trimming
17:20 diegok yes, <% end %> looks better...
17:20 diegok hm...
17:20 diegok what about: <%= form_for -%> lalala <%-%> :-p
17:20 sri i really like <% end %>
17:20 diegok yes, it's way more obvious...
17:24 sri <%= form_for =%> lalala <% end %>
17:25 sri and switch to - for trimming
17:25 sri <%= form_for =%> <%= $foo -%> <% end %>
17:27 sri but thats not a realistic example
17:28 sri <%= form_for test => do %> lalala <% end %>
17:28 sri almost all tag helpers take arguments
17:28 sri do looks better there
17:29 sri quite natural actually
17:30 sri <%= form_for test => begin %> lalala <% end %>
17:30 sri maybe not a perl keyword
17:32 diegok :)
17:32 sri begin/end is not bad
17:33 diegok <%= form_for test => block %> lalala <% end %>
17:33 sri hmm
17:33 sri actually better
17:33 sri we have a winner :)
17:33 diegok by now...
17:33 diegok :p
17:35 diegok is this the way to use a block with perl inside now?: <%= tag 'div', class => 'app_msg' => {%> <% $message %> <%} %>
17:35 sri ye
17:36 diegok isn't there a way to say. This is a block, but also code? :)
17:36 diegok I think it is a really common case.
17:36 sri ?
17:37 * sri can't follow
17:43 diegok I mean, for example:
17:44 diegok <%= link_to edit_this => { id => $this->id } => {%> $this->name <%} %>
17:44 diegok <%= link_to edit_this => { id => $this->id } => {%> <% $this->name %> <%} %>
17:45 sri thats very wrong
17:45 sri <%= link_to edit_this => { id => $this->id } => sub { $this->name } %>
17:45 diegok maybe I'm just missing something...
17:45 diegok sri: do you can follow now?
17:45 sri thats the perlish version
17:46 sri much less typing
17:47 diegok ok!, that is what I was missing/wanting ;-)
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17:50 sri damn, it can't be done
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17:50 sri perl lines ruin it
17:51 sri %= block form_for 'tags', {test => 24}, method => 'post' =>
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17:55 sri i would really like to kill some of the Mojo::Template features
17:55 diegok what can't be done? <% ... block %> block code <% end %> ?
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17:55 sri that can be done
17:55 diegok so, what can't be done?
17:55 sri %{= can't be converted
17:56 diegok oh!, to use instead of sub {} ?
17:56 sri %{= content header =>
17:56 sri lalala
17:56 sri %}
17:56 sri thats valid atm
17:57 sri ugly as hell, but sadly valid
17:57 sri blocks should have never been allowed for perl lines
17:57 sri huge mistake
17:58 crab wow, that is valid?
17:58 * crab immediately starts to use it
17:58 sri i'm not sure if it's documented
17:58 sri maybe i can still remove it
17:59 diegok sri: I didn't saw it on the guides/pod by now...
17:59 sri ye, it's not in there :)
17:59 diegok (or didn't understand)
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18:03 sri hope i don't break any apps :(
18:04 sri this could break apps from about a year ago
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18:05 crab it's going to break my app from right now!
18:05 sri -.-
18:08 diegok how do I check from a template if something exists on the stash/flash?
18:08 sri we need a new suffix for templates using block/end
18:09 sri exists stash->{lalala}?
18:10 sri stash and flash have helpers
18:10 sri .ep has to become legacy, like .epl did
18:11 diegok ok, so, flash doesn't go to the stash automagically on the next request?
18:11 vti excuse me.. what?
18:11 diegok .bep ? :-p
18:11 sri vti: we are making template blocks sweet again :)
18:12 sri <%= form_for test => block %> lalala <% end %>
18:12 vti block and end are special keywords, right?
18:13 sri they are actually part of the tag
18:13 sri :)
18:13 sri but they will look like keywords
18:13 sri i'm switching around some internals so you can define keywords as replacements for { and }
18:14 sri the undocumented support for %{= needs to go
18:15 sri (as line start)
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18:16 sri vti: thoughts?
18:17 * sri doesn't like it when vti goes silent
18:18 vti sri: configurable tags is good anyway
18:19 sri unsure if i should deprecate .ep or just add the keywords as alternatives to { and }
18:19 sri and then deprecate { and } in .ep
18:19 esskar_ memowe: about cms, what is your default (e.q. / )
18:19 sri yea thats what i'll do
18:19 vti you wil break every app out there
18:19 sri deprecate, not break
18:20 sri they will break in two major releases
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18:33 tempire The rendering guide should have a section, maybe with blinking tags that specify the evolution of mojo templates.
18:34 tempire It should be clear that epl was old, ep was less old, and now it's recommended to use 'x'
18:34 sri ep will stay the standard
18:34 sri just the current block syntax gets deprecated
18:35 sri both will work for some time
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18:44 sri the whole logic gets so much easier
18:44 sri what the hell was i thinking when i added %{
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18:50 ysyrota vti: i've found a bug on getbootylicious.org
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18:51 ysyrota vti: go to http://localhost.localdomain:3000/tags.html (or any other page boot root) and try to click "Just another blog"
18:56 ysyrota vti: sorry, go to http://getbootylicious.org/tags.html (or any other page boot root) and try to click "Bootylicious"
18:57 vti ysyrota: nice :)
19:00 ysyrota vti: stupid question: how to add an article? :)
19:04 vti ysyrota: do you have a patch that fixes this? :)
19:04 vti ysyrota: via ssh :)
19:05 vti it is file-based blog
19:05 vti hm, i might want to add a dummy arrticle on the first run
19:09 ash_ sri: do you have a link to the camelia logo you made?
19:10 sri ash_: http://kraih.com/usingperl6-sri.jpg # the latest version is on the book cover
19:10 sri and mine is called Amelia
19:11 ash_ ah, okay
19:11 ash_ thanks
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19:34 vti ysyrota: fixed getbootylicious.org
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19:47 sri damn, this was hard work, but i think i got it now :D
19:49 sri http://pastie.org/1127341 # this now works in .ep!
19:51 sri as an alternative to http://pastie.org/1127344 (which also still works)
19:51 marcus idle hands...
19:52 sri is that cool or what?
19:52 marcus it's cool
19:52 marcus much more readable
19:53 sri thats what i need to hear :)
19:53 sri \o/
19:53 marcus can we get $block->execute() or something too? ;)
19:54 * sri grabs the shotgun
19:54 sri GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
19:54 * marcus breaks one of sri's windows
19:54 * sri shakes his fist in anger
20:00 sri just cleaned up the template tests, and damn, this is soooo clean
20:07 sri this will make template inheritance fun
20:08 sri http://pastie.org/1127387 # this is how content blocks look like now
20:08 marcus shiny
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20:18 diegok sri++, that 'block' keyword make it clear!. No, realy, looks much much more easy readable enclosing the block with the <% end %> pseudo-tag :)
20:19 diegok s/easy//
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20:30 marcus hmm
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20:35 GitHub149 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 6ac074b (11 files in 8 dirs): deprecated old Mojo::Template block syntax and added a very pretty replacement - http://bit.ly/a7HMRv
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20:35 sri \o/
20:35 sri please test adn enjoy
20:37 ysyrota sri: why don't change 'block' to 'begin'? it will look like Pascal blocks :)
20:37 sri -.-
20:38 ysyrota sri: "end" is a correspondence to "begin"
20:39 perlrocks Twitter: "Deprecated the ugliest #mojolicious feature and turned it into one of the prettiest, test and enjoy! :) http://bit.ly/ccAlYr #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/22554319779
20:40 sri ysyrota: i like both, gonna let the room here decide :)
20:40 sri FIGHT!
20:43 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious template blocks now look this pretty! http://pastie.org/1127496 #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/22554617498
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20:45 sri no opinions? Oo
20:45 sri begin or block?
20:46 ash_ begin ... end, start ... finish, start ... end, <<IN ... IN
20:46 sri is that a vote for begin?
20:46 ash_ do ... end # reminds me of ruby :P
20:46 sri thats where we started ;p
20:46 * sri pokes tempire
20:47 ash_ begin/end sounds logical to me
20:47 ysyrota bash approach: block-kcolb :)
20:48 ash_ can you give your blocks names? for reuse?
20:49 Htbaa +1 for the new template syntax. So far that was the only thing I didn't like about Mojo
20:49 sri damn, i like begin more now :/
20:51 ysyrota sri: have you ever program in Pascal?
20:51 sri nope
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21:00 GitHub142 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a9ee8d6 (10 files in 8 dirs): renamed block to begin - http://bit.ly/aIEvsa
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21:00 sri :)
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21:03 perlrocks Twitter: "Renamed the block keyword to begin, for the Pascal fans. :) http://pastie.org/1127552 #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/22555888096
21:04 perlrocks Twitter: "As ruby style. Good :) RT: @kraih: #mojolicious template blocks now look this pretty! http://pastie.org/1127496 #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/sharifulin/status/22555997119
21:13 sri textmate bundle is also updated
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21:21 perlrocks Twitter: "Also updated the TextMate bundle for the new template blocks. http://bit.ly/9Pr7Pe #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/22557157641
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21:26 GitHub142 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 62a5cc4 (1 files in 1 dirs): improved tests - http://bit.ly/dcLZ8O
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21:26 sri now i expect tons of patches with new tag helpers :D
21:28 sri *crickets*
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21:39 GitHub144 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 1efbf6a (2 files in 2 dirs): updated example - http://bit.ly/a0bwd8
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21:53 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Also updated the TextMate bundle for the new template blocks. http://bit.ly/9Pr7Pe #mojolicious #perl" --insurgentsoft http://twitter.com/insurge​ntsoft/status/22559297292
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22:03 sri gonna deprecate expression lines too, they are rather useless
22:09 sri or maybe not
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22:13 esskar_ has something changed with stash parameters and templates. i add $c->stash( foo => 'bar' ) inside a before_dispatch
22:13 esskar_ using foo in the template (%== foo) throws an exception
22:14 esskar_ Bareword "foo" not allowed while "strict subs" in use at template line 1.
22:23 sri $foo
22:24 sri there is no function for every stash key
22:25 sri that could have never worked like that
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22:50 esskar_ tada; fucking copy & paste
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23:35 tempire begin/end seems clean
23:35 tempire though not very perlish
23:36 tempire eh, whatever.  Seems to be the best option.

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