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| 00:52 |
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sri |
tempire: node.js doesn't make javascript any more enjoyable though, that could turn out to be a problem for converting people from more fun languages |
| 00:53 |
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tempire |
That is true. It's only jquery that makes it enjoyable, but even that's only in relation to normal javascript. |
| 00:54 |
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tempire |
But I'll say this. expressjs has a super pretty web page. |
| 00:57 |
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sri |
i have to disagree there, it's just the gradient lighting effect that makes it appealing |
| 00:57 |
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sri |
the jquery site is much better |
| 00:58 |
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tempire |
for information and usability, yes. |
| 00:58 |
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tempire |
no doubt. |
| 00:58 |
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tempire |
but pretty! |
| 01:00 |
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sri |
no really, i don't like it |
| 01:02 |
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sri |
no effort went into that design |
| 01:02 |
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sri |
it's a 10 minute job |
| 01:05 |
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sri |
when you take other minimalistic designs like the usual 37 signals stuff you can tell a lot of thought went into the little details |
| 01:15 |
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sri |
marcus: i don't think mojolicious in javascript would have worked, i can feel my brain rotting just playing around with it :) |
| 01:15 |
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jawnsy |
sri: o/ |
| 01:15 |
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sri |
o/ |
| 01:16 |
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jawnsy |
sri: how's libmojolicious-perl working out for you guys, have you heard complaints yet? :) |
| 01:16 |
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sri |
no complaints yet |
| 01:16 |
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sri |
people just keep whining about freebsd :) |
| 01:17 |
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jawnsy |
ha! can't help you with that |
| 01:17 |
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jawnsy |
but that's good news :) |
| 01:17 |
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sri |
jawnsy++ |
| 01:17 |
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sri |
marcus: i think the glue keeping my apps together will always have to be a fun language |
| 01:17 |
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jawnsy |
wasn't me, looks like: 0.999926-1 to unstable: Chris Butler <chrisb debian.org> |
| 01:18 |
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jawnsy |
... took it over |
| 01:18 |
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sri |
26 is horribly outdated! |
| 01:18 |
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jawnsy |
I stopped doing Debian Perl stuff shortly after I finished up libmojomojo-perl |
| 01:18 |
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jawnsy |
yeah, unstable has 29 |
| 01:18 |
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sri |
ah |
| 01:18 |
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jawnsy |
but 26 was the first upload |
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sri |
hmm, itunes 10 is weird |
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sri |
i don't like the new icon |
| 03:28 |
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sri |
sidebar and list with cover art look great though |
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marcus |
sri: clustering maybe? lots of tuning options for multicore? An apache like stats page to tell me what the daemon is doing? |
| 05:33 |
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marcus |
also, a unicorn pony |
| 05:34 |
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marcus |
http://simonwillison.net/2010/Jun/17/mongrel2/ |
| 05:45 |
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sri |
marcus: define clustering |
| 05:46 |
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sri |
marcus: mojolicious.org has been self hosting for months |
| 05:46 |
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sri |
marcus: tuning options like? |
| 05:47 |
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sri |
diagnostics is on my wishlist too, but thats generally more of a framework feature, since i want details |
| 05:50 |
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marcus |
yeah, I want details too. re clustering, being able to check the load easily so that you could have dynamic weights in your load balancer maybe? built in health checks for load balancers? |
| 05:51 |
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marcus |
with regards to tuning, I was thinking of things like thresholds for how many forks to keep around. |
| 05:51 |
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marcus |
I agree that analytics is probably a framework feature |
| 05:51 |
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sri |
worker poll is of course configurable by default |
| 05:52 |
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sri |
*pool |
| 05:52 |
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sri |
which load balancer can react to server events? |
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sri |
which protocol is that? |
| 05:53 |
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sri |
marcus: it's a little smarter than you seem to expect |
| 05:53 |
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sri |
this is not the braindead catalust daemon xD |
| 05:54 |
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sri |
*catalyst |
| 05:54 |
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* sri |
needs coffee |
| 05:56 |
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sri |
marcus: http://github.com/kraih/mojo/b[…]monPrefork.pm#L18 # this is what we had from the start regarding configuration |
| 05:57 |
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sri |
only real difference is that hypnotoad works with a static worker pool (can be increased and decreased with signals) |
| 05:58 |
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sri |
marcus: tbh. sounds like you really just want a pony :) |
| 05:59 |
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marcus |
sri: I guess :) |
| 05:59 |
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marcus |
sri: I'm just saying hot deployment does not excite me much. |
| 05:59 |
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sri |
the killer feature here is really just that it's dead simple to use hot deplyment |
| 06:00 |
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sri |
thats ok |
| 06:00 |
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marcus |
I already use standalone fastcgi and do 'myapp graceful' to restart it |
| 06:00 |
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marcus |
rails boys manage to get me a bit jealous still with their fully automatic rollouts tho. |
| 06:01 |
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sri |
you mean database migrations? |
| 06:02 |
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marcus |
no, I mean capistrano |
| 06:02 |
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marcus |
their database migrations are nice too tho, best feature of their orm |
| 06:02 |
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sri |
perl people seem to use capistrano too |
| 06:03 |
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sri |
i prefer schema free databases ;p |
| 06:03 |
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marcus |
That's fine too |
| 06:03 |
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marcus |
I still have no schema free apps |
| 06:03 |
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marcus |
it breaks my brain the same way javascript breaks yours |
| 06:04 |
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sri |
Oo |
| 06:04 |
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marcus |
but I *will* rewrite iwatchthis to use couchdb |
| 06:04 |
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marcus |
and mojolicious. |
| 06:04 |
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sri |
so you enjoy sql? |
| 06:05 |
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marcus |
I wouldn't say that, but I know it well, and the query language is frigging powerful |
| 06:06 |
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sri |
well, the thing is couchdb uses javascript in the right way |
| 06:06 |
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marcus |
I think that would be the same problem with porting mojolicious to javascript. |
| 06:06 |
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sri |
i just don't want to use javascript as my everyday language |
| 06:06 |
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marcus |
It would be like joose, trying to force a class-based structure on a prototype based language |
| 06:07 |
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marcus |
I guess that'll be my hobby project for this fall. rewriting iwatchthis with mojolicious and couchdb, and setting it up with capistrano. |
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sri |
you could also port capistrano while you are at it :) |
| 06:08 |
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sri |
perl ssh modules are not too bad i think |
| 06:09 |
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sri |
maybe with a Mojolicious::Lite like DSL for deployment scripts |
| 06:11 |
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sri |
oh btw. hypnotoad does websockets and long polling |
| 06:11 |
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sri |
so that should be a huge difference to fcgi deployment |
| 06:13 |
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sri |
i could also totally see a mongrel2 in front of mojolicious |
| 06:14 |
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sri |
in case it can act as a websocket proxy |
| 06:15 |
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sri |
high level languages like perl/python/ruby could totally use such a proxy, since tcp connections cost us quite a bit of memory |
| 06:17 |
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sri |
same for java i guess |
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sri |
http://www.ibm.com/developerwo[…]python/index.html # lol, wtf? |
| 06:23 |
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| 06:28 |
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janus |
haha |
| 06:30 |
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janus |
i think the article isn't doing any harm to perl... rather indicates that python sucks wrt/ tests |
| 06:31 |
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janus |
the most useful information is to embed perl in python *eg* |
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sri |
the new itunes icon gets annoying :/ |
| 07:08 |
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marcus |
I thought it was pretty ugly |
| 07:09 |
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sri |
i liked the old one |
| 07:27 |
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marcus |
just signed up for ping |
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marcus |
sri: http://mattiasekstrom.devianta[…]Revised-177699346 |
| 07:44 |
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marcus |
less bugly |
| 07:54 |
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sri |
marcus: thats more what i expected |
| 07:55 |
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sri |
the ipod touch has a very nice logo for music |
| 07:55 |
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sri |
http://www.simplehelp.net/imag[…]hone/IMG_0002.jpg |
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marcus |
plasma |
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sri |
http://guides.macrumors.com/im[…]/ITunes1_logo.png # lol |
| 09:15 |
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sri |
http://guides.macrumors.com/im[…]/ITunes_1_OS9.jpg |
| 09:18 |
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sri |
the ping thingy sucks too |
| 09:22 |
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sri |
the fact that i'm writing about an itunes release might be a good indicator that apple failed this time :o |
| 09:22 |
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sri |
(even though i like the sidebar icons) |
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marcus |
I like beer. |
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sri |
beer like me. |
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sri |
*+s |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojo perl-e 'b (g ("mojolicio.us') -> dom-> at (' title ') -> text) -> say' Крутотень!!" (sv) --shirokoff http://twitter.com/shirokoff/status/22794550657 |
| 12:43 |
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sri |
Oo |
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janus |
99990ppoiioiiu7zjhgffhkll�#qqwertuip+uio�p+qwweertzuooiop�+asdfhjkl��#asdfhkl���#adgj��#qwertul++ |
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janus |
oops |
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janus |
pfft, she could at least have written her name ;) |
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ash_ |
sri: is there any input sanitizing routines? to escape javascript and things like that? |
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xantus_ |
hi hi |
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xantus_ |
sri: can we talk |
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janus |
hrhr, reading about ``neat'' java apps for ``hasslefree'' irc via browser... makes me believe mojo can gather a _lot_ of attention just with the irc client demo |
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janus |
meaning... using it actively for marketing purposes might be a good idea |
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janus |
mojo - picks you up where java left you alone |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "perl Google::Voice module using Mojo::Client - http://bit.ly/c84N7A - Only two dependencies! #mojolicious" --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempiretech/status/22822570927 |
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xantus__ |
hows it going in here |
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xantus_ |
sri: would like to talk with you when you have a moment |
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janus |
pretty silent since the morning hours |
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janus |
maybe applied shut up and hack tactics ;) |
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* xantus_ |
deploys counter measures |
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From: http://www.google.com.br/searc[…]q=websockets+demo (1 hits) |
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mfontani |
Hi all; I'm having a wee issue with the "session" flash DWIW using the basic_auth plugin: https://gist.github.com/e6a0a60f39e41d0832b4 |
| 20:53 |
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mfontani |
Basically without the auth the flash is shown to the user, whereas with basic auth on I can't seem to get to the flash |
| 20:54 |
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mfontani |
I wonder if I'm doing silly things or if it's something I could help fix in the basic_auth plugin (so it basically re-forwards the flash on a auth redirect or something) |
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tempire |
mfontani: I'm not following you - what exactly is the problem? |
| 21:44 |
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mfontani |
Well, without basic auth I can show the flash after an upload, whereas with basic auth I cannot |
| 21:45 |
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mfontani |
I am wondering if there is a workaround, or if I should use the session rather than the flash for showing that "flash" to the user |
| 21:46 |
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mfontani |
try running it with the var set to 0 and upload a couple files, then set it to 1 and you see the message is not displayed with basic auth |
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mfontani |
upload => redirect to /upload => unauthorized => correct basic auth => no flash |
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mfontani |
no flash either via session old flash |
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tempire |
what perl version are you using? |
| 22:00 |
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mfontani |
5.12.1, could test others |
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tempire |
It passed make test? |
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mfontani |
yeah |
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tempire |
mojolicious from github or cpan? |
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mfontani |
cpan, reinstalling it now (can always git checkout to undo) |
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mfontani |
does it work for you with $use_auth = 1 ? |
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tempire |
I didn't have it installed - make test fails. There's something fishy. |
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mfontani |
you mean ::BasicAuth? |
| 22:04 |
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tempire |
yes |
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mfontani |
Right, have 0.02 and it did reinstall w/tests all passed |
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mfontani |
hm, I do get a warning though: "We won't be doing any rendezvous publishing, please install a Net::Rendezvous::Publish::Backend:: module" |
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tempire |
that's normal |
| 22:06 |
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mfontani |
thanks for the reassurance |
| 22:07 |
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mfontani |
the dist does not have a test case for what I'm trying to do, mind you |
| 22:07 |
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mfontani |
hence my wondering whether I'm not doing something silly by wanting to use a flash for that scenario |
| 22:09 |
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mfontani |
(I just realised you are the author) |
| 22:09 |
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tempire |
I've never used flash myself, just stash, but I don't see that it would matter. |
| 22:09 |
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mfontani |
the flash only lasts one request, that is the key difference.. |
| 22:10 |
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mfontani |
I guess the first 401 unauthorised "eats" it |
| 22:11 |
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mfontani |
I guess the _password_prompt could resend the flash if existing |
| 22:14 |
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mfontani |
yes looks like it |
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tempire |
I think I get what you're saying now - you're trying to access the flash value assigned in the post after it redirects to the get |
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tempire |
correct? |
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mfontani |
correct |
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mfontani |
preparing a patch for you :) |
| 22:16 |
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tempire |
You want to use session, then. |
| 22:16 |
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mfontani |
Right, you wouldn't want to re-"give" the flash in case of a _password_prompt then |
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tempire |
'cause redirect isn't internal, it's a completely separate request made by the browser, ie, 302 status |
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mfontani |
roughly, $self->flash( %{ $self->session->{old_flash} } ) if $self->session->{old_flash}; # prior to the $plugin->_password_prompt |
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mfontani |
yes the flash is indeed used for 302 redirects, and they're not internal |
| 22:17 |
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mfontani |
the fact that the browser tries once to get the page without giving the basic auth "eats" the flash |
| 22:18 |
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mfontani |
then it sees auth is required, uses the right credentials, but at that point the flash is gone |
| 22:19 |
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mfontani |
adding the above line makes the flash DWIM even if pages are auth protected |
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tempire |
If I'm understanding you correctly, adding to the module is unecessary, just don't use flash at all in the post action. |
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tempire |
instead, populate the flash with the session value in the get '/upload' action, right before render |
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mfontani |
let me try that : |
| 22:27 |
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tempire |
after adding to the session in post '/upload', of course |
| 22:32 |
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mfontani |
Yeah, a bit more code.. but work |
| 22:32 |
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mfontani |
works, even |
| 22:34 |
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mfontani |
Thanks :) |
| 22:35 |
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tempire |
just a line or two, but it makes the flow more readable - I don't want to hide forwarding of the flash in the module. |
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tempire |
no problem. |
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tempire |
strange that it tests ok for you on 5.12.1 |
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mfontani |
I understand; thanks for the pointers :) |
| 22:36 |
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tempire |
I'll have to track it down |
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mfontani |
what fails for you? |
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mfontani |
(changing pc) |
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skaurus |
hello again) Mm, if I redefine method redirect_to as sub redirect_to { shift->SUPER::redirect_to(@_); exit 0 } it will be ok? |
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skaurus |
don't want to write "return;" after each redirect_to call ) |
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skaurus |
anyone? |
