Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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00:50 polvo is there a better way to do the following from a controller? 'if($something) { myerror($self), return; }'
01:19 tempire http://erkie.github.com/
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10:21 yakudzo hello all
10:22 yakudzo why my $dom = Mojo::DOM->new(); $dom->find tells me that there is no such method?
10:23 marcus_ PUDDING perl -MMojo::DOM -e'$d=Mojo::DOM->new;$d->find'
10:23 marcus_ that only gives me a couple of warnings
10:23 marcus_ about unitialized value
10:23 marcus_ perl -MMojo::DOM -e'$d=Mojo::DOM->new;$d->find("a")'
10:23 marcus_ works fine
10:23 yakudzo $ perl -MMojo::DOM -e'$d=Mojo::DOM->new;$d->find("a")'
10:23 yakudzo Can't locate object method "find" via package "Mojo::DOM" at -e line 1
10:24 yakudzo old mojo ?
10:24 marcus_ probably
10:34 yakudzo CPAN_FILE    K/KR/KRAIH/Mojolicious-0.999929.tar.gz
10:35 yakudzo I thought it is latest
10:35 vti cpan version is old, use git
10:40 marcus_ sri needs to get off his ass and release
10:41 marcus_ before the changelog becomes a novel.
10:45 vti "release often" motto is not for sri :D
10:51 gabb it used to be iirc
10:54 gabb early cat was a releaso-bonanza
10:54 gabb something like 20-30 releases in the first 2 months?
10:55 marcus_ mm
10:56 marcus_ I think he's worried about running out of numbers starting with 0.9
10:56 marcus_ and being forced to d 1.0
10:56 marcus_ that's probably why he's moving towards unicode names instead.
10:59 gabb is there a roadmap somewhere for 1.0 ?
11:01 dotan gabb: early cat was pre-github. I think sri prefers to hook people on getting mojolicious from github, to encourage them to watch, fork and update frequently - gets them more involved, provides him with more direct feedback. More fun for the developer than putting stuff on cpan and waiting for bug reports.
11:02 gabb true enough
11:05 dotan marcus_: liked the Mojo client presentation very much.
11:17 gabb marcus_: in comparison to catalyst, do you tend to write larger controller classes in mojo?
11:28 Rhaen moin
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11:30 Taulmarill hi, i've got two failed tests trying to install Mojolicious-0.999929 on Windows Strawberryperl 5.12.1
11:30 Taulmarill t/mojolicious/lite_app.t ...................... 37/516
11:30 Taulmarill #   Failed test 'right status'
11:30 Taulmarill #   at t/mojolicious/lite_app.t line 696.
11:30 Taulmarill #          got: undef
11:30 Taulmarill #     expected: '413'
11:30 Taulmarill #     expected: 'called, '
11:31 Taulmarill are these expected to fail under Win32 or do i have a *real* problem?
11:32 gabb can't answer your question, but did you grabbed mojo off github?
11:32 Taulmarill no, i've got it via cpan shell
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11:34 Taulmarill just installed the same package on debian. tested fine. seemes to be a windows problem
11:35 marcus_ Taulmarill: there was a win32 problem fixed in trunk
11:40 gabb gabb@devbox:~/code/mojo$ git-shortlog | grep "win32" | wc -l
11:40 gabb 21
11:40 gabb some are bound to be test related
11:40 gabb "fixed another win32 test bug"
11:40 gabb like this one
11:41 Taulmarill i'll get the latest version from github and test that
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12:16 gabb erm, anyone now how large an integer in sqlite needs to be for epoch?
12:22 gabb answer is int(11)
12:32 Rhaen man -11 int
12:32 Rhaen hm. No manual page
12:36 gabb you never go full geek, never </tropic thunder reference>
12:42 Rhaen :)
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12:59 sri dotan is spot on
12:59 sri yay for github
13:00 sri github kinda obsoleted release early release often
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13:08 gabb sri, ever moved domains?
13:09 sri don't think so
13:09 sri but i think most domain hosters help you with it
13:09 sri for a little fee
13:10 gabb this one doesnt :P
13:10 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @marcusramberg: My slides for "Mojo as a client" are now on slideshare http://slidesha.re/9t7e2J #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/26549490210
13:10 gabb trying to get from kontent to hetzner and dont get the process behind this and the KK-requests and shit
13:10 sri i have my domains at godaddy
13:11 gabb but thankfully hetzner support is ace, so will see if they can shed some light into this
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13:14 sri marcus: your slides should have mentioned sibling selctors, those are so great
13:16 sri most people seem to overlook them because their spec description sucks :S
13:22 gabb bad docs -> slow adaptation :P
13:23 gabb btw, are there any example applications?
13:23 sri for mojolicious?
13:23 gabb ye
13:23 sri dozens
13:23 gabb listed on the wiki?
13:23 sri someone still needs to make a wiki list
13:24 und3f[A] is now known as und3f
13:24 sri usual first stop is vtis github repo
13:24 gabb i'd do it if I would know where to find all example apps :P
13:24 sri xantus for more crazy stuff
13:25 sri yukikimoto for easier examples
13:25 gabb ye I saw those, but those were quite simplistic
13:25 sri if you want something real bootylicious is a good one
13:25 sri http://getbootylicious.org/
13:26 perlrocks Twitter: "Impressive: RT @kraih @marcusramberg: My slides for "Mojo as a client" are now on slideshare http://slidesha.re/9t7e2J #perl" --phillipadsmith http://twitter.com/phillip​adsmith/status/26550771429
13:27 gabb lol
13:27 * gabb drops his example blog app he started working on yesterday then
13:28 sri doh
13:28 Rhaen cool. btw, we'll have a wiki section about this.
13:28 Rhaen (soon)
13:28 vti blog is #1 example application
13:28 sri \o/
13:31 gabb hm, I think I will write a blog anyway, for educational purpose to learn mojolicious and later compare it with bootylicious and either switch to it or write bootylicious plugins if I have written stuff that it is missing
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13:31 GitHub126 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 69cc134 (2 files in 2 dirs): refer to wiki from guides - http://bit.ly/aVqYvN
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13:40 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: RT @marcusramberg: My slides for "Mojo as a client" are now on slideshare http://slidesha.re/9t7e2J #mojolicious #perl" --insurgentsoft http://twitter.com/insurge​ntsoft/status/26551896806
13:41 Rhaen http://github.com/kraih/moj​o/wiki/Example-applications
13:41 Rhaen here is a small start, come one everyone - add some more links!
13:41 Rhaen uh! We need the irc websocket stuff!
13:41 sri Rhaen++
13:42 sri thats in xantus repo
13:42 Rhaen thanks
13:42 sri bootylicious is also missing
13:42 vti http://github.com/vti/bootylicious
13:42 gabb sri, mojo in any way opinionated towards models? or asked differently, what's the latest awesome ORM to learn? :P
13:43 vti http://github.com/vti/showmetheshell
13:43 vti http://github.com/vti/wsconsole
13:43 sri gabb: entirely model layer agnostic
13:43 vti http://github.com/vti/showmetheslides
13:43 sri :o
13:43 gabb showmetheshell is web socket stuff - the example apps should maybe be put into categories
13:43 vti http://github.com/vti/showmethedesktop
13:43 vti VNC via websockets :)
13:43 gabb like mojolicious::lite-based, web sockets, complex routes, etc
13:43 vti http://github.com/vti/showmethedrawing
13:44 vti http://github.com/vti/mojomber # Bomberman clone
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13:44 sri oh i miss mojomber
13:44 Rhaen I'll edit the page - keep your fingers away!
13:44 gabb make categories! :P
13:45 Rhaen haha :) - yeah.
13:45 vti http://github.com/memowe/contenticious # cms
13:45 Rhaen As the wiki is growing, we need to restructure it anyway one day
13:45 vti http://github.com/shoorick/mojowka # wiki
13:45 gabb sri: then lemme ask you what model you'd pick :P It would be a bit purpose-defeating if I pick a "zero-dep" framework like mojo just to go full-blown dbix for example and have 100 deps on my plate
13:45 sri some day the wiki will restructure itself
13:46 sri gabb: i would just use couchdb
13:46 gabb you think the wiki will become skynet? :P
13:46 sri of course not, i am skynet you fool
13:47 * gabb checks out couchdb and kiokudb
13:47 gabb and maybe mongo?
13:47 * sri dispatches some terminators to punish gabb
13:47 * sri calls them back since mongodb can just as well do the job
13:48 gabb phew ^^
13:48 Rhaen gabb: ORLite is pretty lightweigt
13:48 Rhaen +h
13:48 sri BUT
13:48 sri MONGODB IS WEB SCALE!
13:48 Rhaen there is an easy example inside the wiki.
13:48 Rhaen checkout out the tweetylicious example application (linked in the examples section) for more sophisticated stuff
13:49 sri http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6995033/ # epic
13:52 gabb lol
13:52 gabb wow, /dev/null too is web scale xD
13:55 sri whenever someone starts talking about benchmarks i have that video running in my head xD
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14:15 gabb actually rewatched it just to hear those farm stories again
14:17 sri lol
14:20 Rhaen wow.
14:20 Rhaen that's really epic!
14:21 Rhaen Do we write to /dev/null?
14:21 Rhaen it will make things alot faster
14:23 gabb this was the first time I heard of this supposed "web scale" buzzword
14:23 gabb also read yuval's post on couchdb, but its from last year
14:42 sri yuval is just weird
14:46 dotan sri: because he doesn't like couchdb?
14:46 sri he seems to always expect academical correctness from real world code
14:47 alnewkirk|com at the risk of sounding _insert_word_here_, sri, your made of pure awesomeness
14:47 sri :o
14:47 * alnewkirk|com references http://www.slideshare.net/ma​rcusramberg/mojo-as-aclient for the onlookers
14:48 alnewkirk|com dont take it the wrong way onlookers
14:48 * sri moves backwards....slowly...
14:48 * sri hides behind marcus
14:49 gabb there's alot of standing behind people in this channel, I am worried
14:50 gabb oh fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
14:50 alnewkirk|com lol
14:51 gabb I have been volunteered for "Master's Admissions Commitee" duty for next year T_T
14:52 sri that a good or bad thing?
14:52 gabb this means listening to ~400 Master programme candidates begging for a chance to get in with their designed/tuned CV's and unnatural mix of smiles and sweat
14:52 sri oh my
14:52 gabb bad, very bad - this will take a big chunk out of my "uhm... I'mma surf the next till midday" procedure :(
14:52 gabb *surf the net
14:53 gabb I guess I could get out if I start racially profiling the candidates or something - this shit is like jury duty, no one wants to do it
14:53 sri guilty!
14:56 sri just accept all?
14:56 marcus_ I like it when people favorite my presentation on slideshare
14:57 gabb cant accept all, only 80 spots
14:57 gabb and thats 80 spots for 3 master programmes, so ~27 each
14:58 marcus_ wtf is a content strategist?
14:58 sri take bribes
14:59 gabb sri++
14:59 * gabb embraces the comittee duty
15:00 sri :D
15:00 sri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_strategy
15:04 marcus_ the most popular slides on slideshare are about content strategy
15:04 marcus_ I always found content to be a good strategy tho.
15:04 gabb content is overrated, ads is where its at
15:06 marcus_ you mean ads aren't content?
15:06 * marcus_ changes his content strategy
15:06 gabb oh snap
15:06 gabb nice one marcus :P
15:07 dotan marcus_: oh, so that's why I should log in to slideshare. Then I can also download sawyerX's dancer-for-python-devs presentation.
15:08 vti sri: did i promise you yesterday to blog smth?
15:10 sri vti: you did!
15:10 * gabb watches sri making up something
15:11 * sri scratches head
15:12 vti can't thinkg of a topic
15:15 gabb its funny how rather major changes in a certain area can totally pass you by
15:15 gabb today is the first day I actually read up on NoSQL stuff
15:15 gabb glad I don't teach db stuff to the undergrads here, i'd totally fail
15:19 sri nosql is really exciting
15:19 sri totally love that couchdb speaks http
15:20 sri redis also got more interesting with their virtual memory support
15:20 gabb if read some older stuff on it so far that was critical on nosql-type databases and their ability to analyze data, not just store-retrieve
15:21 gabb *I read
15:21 sri the biggest problem most people have is the lack of ad-hoc queries in most nosql databases
15:22 sri but you can add lucene to couchdb for example, and suddenly it's the perfect database for most normal web apps
15:22 gabb hm, ad-hoc queries are mostly a problem/requirement when you go really deep down the analytics path
15:22 gabb say you build a BI solution or something
15:23 gabb but I can see how it would be relevant for your �$secret_project
15:23 sri bio informatics?
15:23 gabb business intelligence :P
15:24 sri :D
15:24 gabb data warehouse stuff, data cubes, etc
15:24 sri i would expect that to be the perfect use case for a document database
15:24 sri couchdb is heavily inspired by lotus notes
15:25 sri couchdb replication is a thing of beauty
15:26 gabb I find moving field name / metadata into the document a bit worrysome, as a self-explaining name costs you your left nut in large databases
15:29 sri that might be true
15:29 sri dunno if it stores documents that naive though
15:38 sri Rhaen: oh, the perltidy recipe would be another good addition to the cookbook :)
15:39 gabb lol, thats a good addition to every fucking perl project in exitance
15:39 gabb *existence
15:39 sri indeed
15:40 sri these days all my projects include a perltidyrc
15:48 marcus_ sri: do you use devel::repl?
15:48 sri nope
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15:58 * gabb curses miyagawa for using lwp over mojo client :P
15:58 sri which module?
15:58 gabb cpanm
15:58 sri thats not lwp
15:58 gabb not?
15:58 sri it has some single file http client
15:59 gabb ah, I concluded it from the lwp dep it has
15:59 sri doesn't need any features besides fetching a file
15:59 gabb havent actually looked in
15:59 sri Oo
15:59 sri i don't see the dep
15:59 gabb Writing Makefile for App::cpanminus
15:59 gabb ---- Unsatisfied dependencies detected during ----
15:59 gabb ----   MIYAGAWA/App-cpanminus-1.0015.tar.gz   ---- LWP [requires]
16:00 sri ($ENV{PERL5_CPAN_IS_RUNNING} || $ENV{PERL5_CPANPLUS_IS_RUNNING}) ? (LWP => 5.828) : ()
16:00 sri weird
16:00 gabb ye
16:01 gabb PREREQ_PM => { ExtUtils::MakeMaker=>q[6.31], Module::Build=>q[0.36], ExtUtils::Install=>q[1.46], LWP=>q[5.828] }
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16:06 sri you can also install cpanm via http://cpanmin.us
16:07 sri no deps
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16:10 marcus_ gabb: like in my slides
16:10 sri gabb: like in marcus slides
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16:26 Rhaen sri: about the tidy thing, I'll add it to the docs in short form in my repo and send you a pull req.
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17:43 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ kraih: And # perl is still the 3rd biggest language on github! http://github.com/languages # mojolicious" (de) --SaschaDroste http://twitter.com/SaschaDroste/status/26571712672
17:44 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ kraih: RT @ marcusramberg: Just submitted a presentation to London Mojolicious # # Perl Workshop 2010th http://conferences.yapceurope.or ..." (de) --SaschaDroste http://twitter.com/SaschaDroste/status/26571762452
18:00 sri dunno why most people are so opposed to twitter bots, for me it's very motivating
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18:06 perlrocks Twitter: "Dancer ( http://slidesha.re/beDgCo ) vs Mojo ( http://slidesha.re/9lfBLs ) #perl" --burakgursoy http://twitter.com/burakgursoy/status/26573248301
18:13 sri thats what i mean when i say depth :)
18:13 gabb RT's are annoying :P
18:14 sri sometimes
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18:51 perlrocks Twitter: "Picking the source plug-ins # redmine - see the familiar: a # mojolicious something similarly done." (ru) --shoorick77 http://twitter.com/shoorick77/status/26576109747
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19:35 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ marcusramberg: My slides for "Mojo as a client" are now on SlideShare http://slidesha.re/9t7e2J mojolicious # # perl" (de) --jegade http://twitter.com/jegade/status/26578944325
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19:46 xantus sri: you around?
19:47 sri xantus_: pong
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19:48 xantus the static dispatcher will happily serve a file even if the method isn't GET
19:49 xantus I have a plugin that attaches a route that I handle requests under /foobar/
19:49 xantus and I noticed this behavior last night
19:49 sri sure, static is based on path only
19:52 xantus I guess this will have to hook before_dispatch
19:54 vti sri: what topic should i cover? :)
19:54 xantus I just thought it was odd that the method didn't matter to the static dispatcher
19:55 xantus well, to the controller really, that logic doesn't belong in the static dispatcher
19:57 sri we could theoretically restrict methods to get and head i guess
19:59 xantus sure, but I also think if there is a route specificly for GET/HEAD it should route-dispatch first then static-dispatch
19:59 xantus but thats another can of worms
19:59 sri can't work
20:00 sri /(*everything) would disable static dispatching
20:00 xantus I know...its conflicting
20:01 xantus but lets say we add a flag to skip static dispatch
20:01 sri sounds very ugly
20:01 xantus before_dispatch could inspect the req, add the flag and get the same behavior
20:01 sri and i don't really see many use cases
20:02 sri you can do that already
20:02 xantus with ->code
20:02 sri ye
20:02 xantus ehh, yeah
20:02 sri and an after_static_dispatch
20:03 sri that removes code again
20:03 xantus that doesn't sound like a hack to you? :)
20:03 sri not more than the flag ;p
20:04 sri could be all hidden in a sweet little plugin
20:04 sri $c->skip_static;
20:04 xantus true true
20:05 sri but why would i ever want that?
20:06 xantus I'm mapping dav over a static path
20:06 sri wouldn't that work with the GET/HEAD thing?
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20:07 sri hmm, maybe the whole thing should be a before_dispatch hook
20:07 xantus the issue is that MKCOL /foo would return a get response :)
20:07 sri since it's basically a whole different dispatcher
20:07 sri why would you even enter routes?
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20:08 xantus I'm removing the route anyway
20:08 xantus I'll use before_dispatch
20:08 sri sounds good
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21:06 polvo where is the doc for 'under' statement?
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21:07 sri polvo: Mojolicious::Lite
21:09 polvo sri, i wonder what is it's scope? if it works with Mojolicious and so on
21:10 sri that would be in the routing guide if it was possible
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21:10 sri the Mojolicious version is a bridge
21:13 sri wonder if it would be fun to support $r->get('/foo')->to('foo#bar');
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21:14 sri hmm, that could be quite cool
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21:15 sri my $b = $r->any('/foo'); $b->get->to(...); $b->post->to(...);
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22:29 sri guess extending the routes dsl is something for mojolicious 2.0 :D
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22:34 tempire_ My basicauth plugin is getting lonely.  Sitting on github, waiting patiently for the new release of mojolicious.
22:34 sri i know i know :S
22:34 tempire_ *tear*
22:34 sri :,(
22:35 * sri is still taming the hypnotoad
22:35 tempire_ HYPNOTOAD!
22:36 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious has reached 20000 lines of code, and 10000 of those are tests. :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/26591346481
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22:39 perlrocks Twitter: "Amazing! RT: @kraih: #mojolicious has reached 20000 lines of code, and 10000 of those are tests. :) #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/sharifulin/status/26591627346
22:43 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious has reached 20000 lines of code, and 10000 of those are tests. :) #perl" --yunh http://twitter.com/yunh/status/26591896070
22:51 DaTa sri: http://data.rbfh.de/p/2010-10-07o9kYZ8z8 i would like something like that, perl -Mojo -E 'say x(q{<foo bar="foobar">})->at("foo")->attrs->{bar}'
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22:54 stereonaut Hello folks. What should I be using to serve static files through actions on controllers? Upon request, I need to run some logic to serve an specific static file.
22:56 DaTa stereonaut: $c->render_static('images/logo.png');
23:07 stereonaut DaTa: thanks.
23:14 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @marcusramberg: My slides for "Mojo as a client" are now on slideshare http://slidesha.re/9t7e2J #mojolicious #perl" --doubious_code http://twitter.com/doubiou​s_code/status/26594459229
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23:45 tempire ha
23:46 tempire nice slides
23:46 tempire o(fun) ++
23:52 und3f is now known as und3f[A]
23:57 tempire xantus: you should submit your irc chat to dreamhost's one-click install thing.  http://bit.ly/9oSdfk
23:57 tempire hell, vti, bootylicious too

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