Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-11-05

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00:14 tempire I have trouble understanding why anyone would use LWP when  Mojo::Client is available.
00:15 tempire Stubbornness, maybe?
00:17 perlrocks Twitter: "@ Kraih Hehe, other projects have longer time frames than between commits # mojolicious has between its releases. Keep up the great work:)" (de) --cghene http://twitter.com/cghene/status/340910487375872
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00:53 polvo tempire, i'm using curl :0)
01:41 perlrocks Twitter: "http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/KR​AIH/Mojolicious-0.999936/Changes - 0.999930 was "a major release" over 0.99929. Um ... WHAT THE FUCK?!" --shadowcat_mst http://twitter.com/shadowcat​_mst/status/362145183174656
02:02 perlrocks Twitter: "@genehack Mojolicious - every release is the "if you used this in production you're fucked" release. also "help help running out of nines"" --shadowcat_mst http://twitter.com/shadowcat​_mst/status/367406996267008
02:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Nice to know @ kyanny recovery. I look forward to seeing you again, somewhere in the study group. Now here is a company mojolicious:: lite is struggling with." (ja) --TokyoIncidents http://twitter.com/TokyoInci​dents/status/371421536591872
02:38 garu sigh... where is vti when you need him? :)
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06:59 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious:: lite in put, delete and really use what method? _method = "put" or _method = "delete" was added to the post method, but does not react to throw ... # perl" (ja) --TokyoIncidents http://twitter.com/TokyoInci​dents/status/442040970125312
06:59 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ TokyoIncidents: mojolicious:: lite in put, delete and really use what method? _method = "put" or _method = "delete" was added to the post method, but does not react to throw ... # perl" (ja) --AE_PerlIsm http://twitter.com/AE_Perl​Ism/status/442043436376065
07:05 perlrocks Twitter: "RT! TokyoIncidents: mojolicious:: lite in put, delete and really use what method? _method = "put" or _method = "delete" method was added to the post ..." (ja) --perlism http://twitter.com/perlism/status/443456874876928
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08:20 sri moin
08:27 * sri yawns
08:33 sri tempire: perl people need way more time than other programmers adopting something new
08:33 marcus morning
08:33 sri for some reason we are much more conservative
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09:40 marcus /win 2
09:41 sri /fail
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12:36 JonChisciotte1 Hi, I'm new to Mojolicious and I'm trying to make an app. For the login I need callback called before each route like the one specified after the "under" statement in the M::Lite tutorial. How to use it for non lite app? (is there a document?) Should I create an hook? But hook and helpers are marked as experimental, should I avoid them for production apps?
12:36 * sri waves
12:37 sri for normal mojolicious the equivalent to an under statement is a bridge
12:37 sri see routing guide
12:37 JonChisciotte1 ok, thanks
12:37 sri hooks go much deeper, they are normally used to extend mojolicious itself with new features
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12:57 Christian hi all
12:59 * sri waves
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13:00 GitHub87 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 33672ca (4 files in 4 dirs): improved Mojo::Loader to allow Mojolicious recovering from tricky syntax errors in Controllers - http://bit.ly/cNguWc
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13:00 sri Christian: that should do the trick
13:02 sri this should actually allow mojolicious to recover from many more errors
13:03 Christian nice one
13:04 sri guess the wiki page can be deleted :)
13:05 sri or at least the last part
13:06 Christian only the last part
13:09 perlrocks Twitter: "Made #mojolicious reloading a lot more resilient and in turn debugging more fun. :) http://bit.ly/bapT5P #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/535207748833280
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13:19 GitHub172 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 7032f2d (1 files in 1 dirs): cleanup - http://bit.ly/aPrQYl
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13:19 sri hmm, wonder if we should just activate reloading in debug mode automatically
13:19 sri umm...development mode
13:20 tempire it makes sense...but --reload makes sure the dev knows exactly what's going on
13:21 tempire I wonder if it would be confusing to devs once they move to production
13:21 tempire it's a lot easier to find '--reload' in a pod than the explanation of the difference between production & devel
13:21 sri true
13:22 sri then again --reload is becoming a convention for development mode
13:22 tempire definitely, I use it every time
13:23 tempire I think I'm a ruby programmer who just happens to love Perl more.  It's the only explanation for why I disagree with most Perl programmers about nearly everything.
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13:23 tempire By way of encouragement, you should know that mojolicious is the only reason I stuck with Perl.
13:23 sri haha
13:24 forwardever sri: just saw your latest commit, should make debugging a lot easier :)
13:24 sri i always loved perl hacks, oneliners are so much fun
13:24 tempire Seemless lists are the holy grail.
13:25 Christian when is version: 0.999937 on cpan?
13:25 sri dunno why it's frowned upon
13:25 tempire it is?
13:25 tempire is that why I can't find it in other languages?
13:25 sri think so
13:26 tempire bah
13:26 sri Christian: a day or two i think
13:27 Christian ok that's fine
13:27 sri getting a lot done with very little code (like oneliners) is what defines perl imo, and should be the main focus of all marketing
13:28 tempire Maybe having a debug message that says 'modules & templates reload automatically in development mode', or something to that effect, to make it clear that --reload is automatic.
13:28 sri could work
13:29 tempire could be annoying to see every time, but if reload is automatic, I guess you won't see it
13:29 tempire especially since your latest commit will alleviate the need to restart even after perl errors.
13:31 sri there might still be fatal enough errors to require a restart
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13:32 sri think we should just let everything settle for now
13:32 tempire that's probably a better idea.
13:32 sri can always turn it into a convention
13:33 tempire HYPNOTOAD!
13:35 sri ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
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14:14 JonChisciotte I'm trying to setup a bridge and I'd like to protect each url but "/", is it possible? I'm trying with this one http://paste-it.net/public/qec153b/ , but it doesn't work, why?
14:25 polvo JonChisciotte, replace my $l = $r->bridge('/')->to('Session#check'); with my $l = $r->bridge->to('Session#check');
14:29 JonChisciotte polvo: thanks, it seems it worked
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14:32 sri not sure if the difference between bridge and bridge('/') is intentional, hmm
14:34 sri if someone wants to investigate, might be possible to unify both
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14:45 Christian why doesn't 'mojolicious generate app hello' works but 'mojo generate app hello' do?
14:57 sri there is no mojolicious command anymore
14:58 sri if you still have it then it's leftover from a previous install
15:02 sri s/command/script/
15:02 sri we've unified everything to just "mojo"
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15:11 Christian ok need to change it in the wiki
15:11 sri good thing it's a wiki :)
16:14 Christian cu all
16:14 Christian have a nice weekend
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16:15 * sri waves
16:18 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious is like Dancer with more features, a great template engine and less magic." --mxey_ http://twitter.com/mxey_/status/582625408323584
16:18 sri :)
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16:21 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @mxey_: #mojolicious is like Dancer with more features, a great template engine and less magic." --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/583423307554816
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16:55 alnewkirk sri,  I dont think that was meant to be flattering on either front
16:56 alnewkirk the way it reads to me is Mojo is better than Dancer (more features), and both are little more than template engines
16:56 alnewkirk calling a web rfamework a template engine is kinda disrespectful, we've been doing it to PHP for years :}
16:57 sri alnewkirk: "a great template engine" is always positive
16:57 sri i've invested a lot of time designing it
16:58 alnewkirk i see, you know the tweeter?
16:58 sri not at all
17:00 sri of course he failed to notice that dancer is no competition for mojolicious, but as long as he likes some of my designs i'm happy ;)
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17:08 alnewkirk ::Dom is sweet
17:08 sri :)
17:18 sri i'll never look back to mechanize testing, css3 selectors are just too nice
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18:16 JonChisciotte is it possible to "emulate" route calling it inside an action? I don't want to redirect_to, but to call the same methods I'd call with a del/post/put without making a request via web...
18:38 perlrocks Twitter: "@ TokyoIncidents Thanks! I want to see you too. Mojolicious:: Lite is good!" (ja) --kyanny http://twitter.com/kyanny/status/617921755750400
18:39 forwardever sri: i have added two failing tests to get some clarity regargind my previous waypoint question, is this a bug or the expected behaviour (I expected that more specific matches get priority, could'nt find any info in the routing guide regarding that specific case):  https://github.com/forwardever/mojo/commit​/3affb3637a2bc18cf23d4c197a7a00d73fbf276e
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21:32 perlrocks Twitter: "But what is it? # Mojolicious defies understanding. Need at least one example that I detail chew. Just do not HelloWord" (ru) --_sattellite http://twitter.com/_sattell​ite/status/661757735477248
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22:59 und3f sri, what about adding user_agent attribute to Mojo::Client?
23:00 und3f sri, it is so strange call build_tx for every simple get request
23:00 und3f oh, right.. i don't need to call it
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