Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-11-10

| Channels | #mojo index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary

All times shown according to UTC.

Time Nick Message
00:02 fhelmberger left #mojo
00:02 fhelmberger joined #mojo
00:14 GitHub135 joined #mojo
00:14 GitHub135 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 743c05d (2 files in 1 dirs): pod cleanup - http://bit.ly/acdYhu
00:14 GitHub135 left #mojo
00:16 GitHub174 joined #mojo
00:16 GitHub174 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 708f27c (3 files in 1 dirs): pod cleanup - http://bit.ly/cGX02j
00:16 GitHub174 left #mojo
00:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-0.999938: http://bit.ly/cAIT6q" (ja) --1i_ http://twitter.com/1i_/status/2152769595113473
00:24 stephen left #mojo
00:29 stephen joined #mojo
01:36 daviddelikat joined #mojo
02:54 tempire can url_for only be used when a route is named?
02:58 daviddelikat1 joined #mojo
03:03 daviddelikat left #mojo
04:04 tholen42 joined #mojo
04:06 tl left #mojo
04:24 Brian joined #mojo
04:29 und3f[A] is now known as und3f
04:38 daviddelikat joined #mojo
04:41 daviddelikat1 left #mojo
05:22 daviddelikat left #mojo
05:30 und3f is now known as und3f[A]
05:56 Brian left #mojo
06:14 ysyrota joined #mojo
06:33 ltriant left #mojo
06:40 snearch joined #mojo
06:45 koban joined #mojo
06:59 kvorg left #mojo
07:25 Christian joined #mojo
07:25 Christian good morning
07:28 marcus it's snowing on my gmail
07:28 marcus outside as well, it seems.
07:34 alnewkirk left #mojo
07:43 yakudzo good morning
07:43 yakudzo in Novosibirsk first snow (:
07:44 snearch left #mojo
07:45 marcus Started snowing in Oslo last night.
07:46 marcus I switched to winter tires like 3 weeks ago tho.
07:47 kvorg joined #mojo
07:57 fhelmber_ joined #mojo
08:17 koban morning
08:23 kvorg left #mojo
08:30 marcus moin
09:06 szabgab hi marcus
09:06 marcus szabgab: sup
09:07 szabgab we need someone here to build a Mojolicious team for Plat Forms
09:07 * szabgab looking at marcus with hope
09:07 marcus When and where is Plat Forms?
09:08 marcus I am starting to hate google
09:08 marcus they think they are smarter than me
09:09 marcus http://nordaaker.com/docs/skitch/plat_fo​rms_-_Google_Search-20101110-100901.png
09:11 marcus so this means going to Nürnberg 18-19 january?
09:13 szabgab yep
09:13 szabgab there is a Catalyst team and a Dancer team
09:20 DaTa marcus: it is spelled plat_forms ;)
09:21 marcus still
09:21 * marcus lights the fireplace.
09:23 DaTa i've switched to duckduckgo.com
09:38 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih How does Mojolicious compare to django?  It's a MVC Framework, but is it also modular? How about ORM / MongoDB connection?" --patrick_fraley http://twitter.com/patrick_fr​aley/status/2293957539135488
09:41 marcus dear @kraih...
09:41 marcus but django isn't very modular?
09:44 marcus http://docs.djangoproject.c​om/en/dev/topics/db/models/
09:45 alnewkirk joined #mojo
09:48 snearch joined #mojo
10:02 spleenjack joined #mojo
10:15 Christian cu all
10:18 Christian left #mojo
10:22 marcus sri: what do you think about plat_forms?
12:21 sri marcus: last thing i said about platforms was that an offline web development contest was an oxymoron :)
12:22 marcus sri: I guess you don't wanna go then? :)
12:23 sri nope
12:24 sri for mojolicious it has like no marketing value
12:24 sri it's more important for perl
12:25 sri i still remember the last platforms contest and how horrible their whole web presence was
12:26 sri there will be like one hackernews article and the whole thing will be forgotten after a week
12:28 sri the fact that you can't google it says everything imo
12:32 marcus :D
12:36 daviddelikat joined #mojo
12:37 sri only reason i see for going is szabgabs nice organization
12:56 sri interesting, joyent has taken over node.js
12:59 daviddelikat left #mojo
13:19 lee7 left #mojo
13:31 alnewkirk left #mojo
13:34 szabgab sri: marcus I can just imagine the headline "Web plat forms contest - perl was not even present"
13:34 szabgab but for Mojolicious that could be the same
13:35 szabgab OTOH if you manage to score well in the competition we can use that for our purposes
13:35 szabgab better than TIOBE :)
13:37 sri szabgab: that didn't happen last time, so i'm sceptical
13:38 szabgab which one? that perl scored well
13:38 sri that the contest resulted in any noise at all
13:38 szabgab I can't help in that, that's up to the teams
13:39 szabgab if perl scores bad you won't hear much noise from us this time either
13:39 szabgab but if there is some material then I can promise you we will use that to make noise
13:39 sri i don't even know who won last time
13:39 szabgab OTOH don't expect that this will change the world, it takes a lot more work to do that
13:40 sri hell, i can't even find their website xD
13:46 snearch left #mojo
13:56 forwardever joined #mojo
13:57 lee7 joined #mojo
14:02 daviddelikat joined #mojo
14:34 dotan joined #mojo
15:00 perlrocks Twitter: "Stumbled over a new Perl Webframework: http://mojolicious.org/, lightweight MVC framework, so spread the word ;)" --patrick_fraley http://twitter.com/patrick_fr​aley/status/2375119074758656
15:18 su-bzero joined #mojo
15:18 alexdrunk joined #mojo
15:22 kvorg joined #mojo
15:26 jawnsy left #mojo
15:27 koban left #mojo
15:29 alexdrunk left #mojo
15:31 ysyrota sri, do you know when vti is going to be here?
15:32 sri ysyrota: he's taking a break, might be gone for longer
15:32 ysyrota sri: ah, thanks
15:33 ysyrota sri: it it pity that before taking a break he broke bootylicious :)
16:00 Brian joined #mojo
16:03 alnewkirk joined #mojo
16:52 GabrielVieira joined #mojo
17:03 ysyrota left #mojo
17:17 dotan left #mojo
17:19 su-bzero_ joined #mojo
17:23 su-bzero left #mojo
17:44 und3f[A] is now known as und3f
17:54 Brian left #mojo
17:59 und3f is now known as und3f[A]
18:02 sri hmm, perl core will get http support
18:05 DaTa what are they including?
18:05 sri it will be HTTP::Lite because it is a single file -.-
18:08 forwardever left #mojo
18:13 DaTa ic :)
18:17 marcus sri: will you be using HTTP::Lite? :)
18:17 sri marcus: what do you think? :)
18:20 marcus sri: Guessing not
18:27 xantus morn
18:30 sri if you think about it some more it really sends a bad message
18:31 sri bad single file implementations go into the core while clean cpan modules that have been in use for decades get ignored
18:37 memowe left #mojo
18:37 memowe joined #mojo
18:43 sri oh well, we'll never be able to depend on 5.14in our lifetime anyway xD
18:51 marcus lwp has some dependencies tho
18:51 marcus and I am thinking mojo in the core would be a bad thing since it changes a lot so far
18:51 sri thats the way of the cpan, no?
18:52 marcus not of the shell itself :)
18:52 marcus or rather, they are trying not to bloat the core with too many modules
18:52 sri DOUBLE STANDARDS!
18:53 sri whats the old saying? core is where modules go to die?
18:54 sri mojo should never ever go into core
18:54 sri it will keep moving with the web
18:54 sri still LWP does deserve to become a core module
19:10 kvorg left #mojo
19:11 spleenjack left #mojo
19:24 marcus to go to the core to die? :)
19:28 marcus BUFFED UP CHILDREN / THEY BELONG IN AMERICA / AYE AYE AYE. / AY AYE AYE. / AYE AYE AYE AYE
20:12 spleenjack joined #mojo
20:37 MojoGuest303 joined #mojo
20:37 MojoGuest303 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (40 hits)
20:37 MojoGuest303 is now known as ambarabaciccicco
20:37 ambarabaciccicco left #mojo
20:38 MojoGuest775 joined #mojo
20:38 MojoGuest775 From: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%​3A%2F%2Fdev.xantus.org%2F&h=ee53b (1 hits)
20:38 MojoGuest445 joined #mojo
20:38 MojoGuest445 From: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%​3A%2F%2Fdev.xantus.org%2F&h=b9bfe (1 hits)
20:38 MojoGuest445 left #mojo
20:39 beho joined #mojo
20:39 beho From: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%​3A%2F%2Fdev.xantus.org%2F&h=b9bfe (3 hits)
20:39 beho left #mojo
20:45 MojoGuest799 joined #mojo
20:45 MojoGuest799 From: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%​3A%2F%2Fdev.xantus.org%2F&h=5f9cf (1 hits)
20:47 MojoGuest799 /j #gdr
20:48 MojoGuest799 is now known as Peldrigal
20:48 Peldrigal left #mojo
21:00 ltriant joined #mojo
21:01 kvorg joined #mojo
21:04 MojoGuest506 joined #mojo
21:04 MojoGuest506 From: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c​hrome&ie=UTF-8&q=mojo+websocket (1 hits)
21:04 MojoGuest506 left #mojo
21:07 MojoGuest775 left #mojo
21:08 alnewkirk left #mojo
21:29 Akron joined #mojo
22:14 fhelmber_ left #mojo
22:16 und3f[A] is now known as und3f
22:40 daviddelikat left #mojo
22:48 perlrocks Twitter: "Once redhat updates their #perl i'll definitely make all my modules depend on at least 5.10. #mojolicious" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/2492864739151873
22:55 perlrocks Twitter: "You're missing out big time already anyway by running #mojolicious on #perl 5.8, some parts are up to 20 times faster on 5.10. ;)" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/2494697704521728
22:56 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: You're missing out big time already anyway by running #mojolicious on #perl 5.8, some parts are up to 20 times faster on 5.10. ;)" --j3nnn1 http://twitter.com/j3nnn1/status/2494944270884864
22:58 chansen hmm, I don't think including HTTP::Lite in core is a good idea, it's not a good implementation of HTTP imo
23:00 chansen and I found two bugs by scanning the source, select() calls is broken and so is http_write(), if server closes socket it will end up in a infinite loop calling syswrite()
23:05 chansen and it's in the RT queue also
23:10 sri i think it will be hidden somewhere like yaml
23:12 sri prolly as a unsuspicious looking module somewhere in the CPAN namespace
23:14 chansen I hope so, because on further inspection it's completely broken IMO, author/maintainer seems to have no clue about socket programming
23:23 sri when it comes to core modules i'm really jealous of python
23:23 sri theirs are all so well engineered
23:25 chansen I wouldn't say that httplib was/is well engineered but several components are
23:30 sri true
23:31 sri the sleep 1 bug in the ssl module was funny too
23:33 MojoGuest116 joined #mojo
23:33 MojoGuest116 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (41 hits)
23:34 xantus hello
23:34 * sri waves
23:35 xantus got the ok to open source ignite
23:35 sri neat
23:36 chansen what's ignite?
23:37 xantus CouchDB backed pubsub using mojo
23:38 xantus it needs some love
23:38 chansen cool
23:41 xantus It needs to be updated to work with the latest mojo and cleaned up
23:45 MojoGuest116 left #mojo
23:52 und3f is now known as und3f[A]
23:54 spleenjack left #mojo

| Channels | #mojo index | Today | | Search | Google Search | Plain-Text | summary