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crab |
where is hypnotoad? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Ruby's Sinatra, Perl's Mojolicious:: Lite is equivalent to Python's WAF is good in a guy called Juno?" (ja) --pasela http://twitter.com/pasela/status/8774248940175360 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "RT @ pasela: Ruby's Sinatra, Perl's Mojolicious:: Lite is equivalent to Python's WAF is good in a guy called Juno?" (ja) --AE_PerlIsm http://twitter.com/AE_PerlIsm/status/8774249963585536 |
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Wow, I <3 HTML5. As soon as I saw "WebSockets" was a thing I knew there had to be an IRC client. |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "mongodb + Mojolicious:: Lite in the month from hell too comfortable Web Services Tsukuttara CoD: BO Tsukuritai something that was hell at home for" (ja) --fuba http://twitter.com/fuba/status/8817876798545920 |
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crab |
wtf |
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sri |
crab: hypnotoad will soon be committed |
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zamolxes |
wondering what you use for DB access? plain DBI? |
| 11:38 |
sri |
zamolxes: http |
| 11:41 |
zamolxes |
cute :) |
| 11:41 |
zamolxes |
that means you only use nosql dbs that offer a restful api? |
| 11:42 |
sri |
<3 riak |
| 11:42 |
zamolxes |
interesting |
| 11:42 |
zamolxes |
so for old-school rdbms like pg or mysql? :) |
| 11:43 |
zamolxes |
i think we were chatting a while ago of a DBI over HTTP api :) |
| 11:44 |
sri |
ORLite also seems to be popular |
| 11:44 |
zamolxes |
(so you can have a non-blocking DB API) |
| 11:44 |
sri |
DBD::Pg supports non blocking queries |
| 11:46 |
zamolxes |
I guess, but I wouldn't know how to integrate it in mojo's event loop. never thought about it though |
| 11:46 |
zamolxes |
but orlite seems very nice for this pet project i have :) |
| 11:46 |
jamesw |
you could do a Mojo version of AnyEvent::DBI::Abstract |
| 12:22 |
crab |
sri: do you have an example of how you do riak stuff in mojo? |
| 12:22 |
sri |
nope |
| 12:22 |
sri |
but it is really trivial |
| 12:25 |
sri |
all you need is $self->client but i've started a higher level glue module |
| 12:27 |
sri |
riak is very minimalistic though, just a normal key/value store with rest api |
| 12:27 |
sri |
and on top of that riak-search, a fulltext search engine with solr api |
| 12:28 |
sri |
thats what i like most about riak |
| 12:28 |
crab |
it's the async http request stuff that i wanted to see, not anything especially riak-related |
| 12:28 |
sri |
async http got really trivial recently |
| 12:29 |
sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/master/t/mojolicious/lite_app.t#L414 |
| 12:30 |
sri |
just fire off your request and render from the callback |
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sri |
hypnotoad is really fun now, just kept switching perl versions at runtime under heavy load at 3k req/s :) |
| 14:06 |
sri |
and it is absolutely trivial |
| 14:07 |
sri |
hypnotoad script/myapp |
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sri |
kill -s 'USR1' $manager_process |
| 14:08 |
sri |
no setup at all, you start out with tons of sensible defaults for a production setup |
| 14:09 |
sri |
you can even change listen ports at runtime |
| 14:13 |
sri |
decided to shut down worker processes in two stages |
| 14:13 |
sri |
we always try to stop them gracefully first with a hard timeout, and then fallback to TERM |
| 14:14 |
sri |
workers can be stopped gracefully individually with QUIT |
| 14:18 |
sri |
copy on write also just works of course |
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sri |
hot deployment is actually easier than restarting the server :D |
| 14:30 |
sri |
also like nginx no command line options |
| 14:49 |
crab |
sri: nice. |
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sri |
grrr, a memory leak :S |
| 15:54 |
sri |
and i can't locate it with find_cycle so far |
| 15:55 |
yko |
maybe it goes from internal package's variables? |
| 15:55 |
sri |
possible |
| 15:56 |
yko |
like $LOOP in IOLoop.pm :) |
| 15:56 |
sri |
nope, checked all those |
| 15:56 |
sri |
i know stand alone daemon seems not to leak |
| 15:57 |
sri |
just hypnotoad workers |
| 15:58 |
yko |
Did you check for code closures? That stuff isn't so transparent like simple cross-references :\ |
| 15:59 |
jdixon |
sri: noob question for you |
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sri |
yea, only got 3 |
| 15:59 |
jdixon |
:) |
| 15:59 |
jdixon |
oh, nm |
| 15:59 |
sri |
lock, unlock and a timer |
| 15:59 |
yko |
however, who am i to teach you seek for memory leaks... |
| 15:59 |
tempire |
to the mojolicious! |
| 15:59 |
sri |
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
| 16:00 |
jdixon |
I'm still trying to get my app to listen on '/' using apache like it does when I run it with 'daemon'. Any suggestions? |
| 16:00 |
sri |
an apache irc channel maybe? :S |
| 16:00 |
sri |
thats said, ScriptAlias usually works for me |
| 16:01 |
sri |
*-s |
| 16:01 |
sri |
the cookbook recipe might help too |
| 16:01 |
yko |
isn't it in wiki or faq's? |
| 16:01 |
jdixon |
hmm, tried that. iirc, it adds the script name back into the uri |
| 16:03 |
yko |
jdixon : have you red this http://bit.ly/hMZn7v ? |
| 16:04 |
jdixon |
yeah, they all have the app residing at /myapp/ |
| 16:04 |
jdixon |
except plackup |
| 16:04 |
sri |
umm |
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sri |
ScriptAlias / "/home/sri/myapp/script/myapp" |
| 16:04 |
sri |
? |
| 16:04 |
yko |
sri++ |
| 16:04 |
jdixon |
that's the first thing I did, I can't remember why that didn't work right |
| 16:04 |
jdixon |
but I'll try it again |
| 16:04 |
yko |
just place it to .htaccess in root |
| 16:06 |
yko |
okay, this is actually wrong .htaccess that just works. https://gist.github.com/8e6a733ffe3ce2f5187f |
| 16:07 |
yko |
it's damn stupid, ugly and non-orthodox way to do things, but if you need something to work, you may use it. |
| 16:07 |
sri |
if that works add it to the wiki |
| 16:08 |
yko |
sri, -_- |
| 16:08 |
sri |
add it! |
| 16:08 |
yko |
okay, one moment |
| 16:08 |
sri |
:) |
| 16:08 |
sri |
those small hacks can be quite useful for shared hosting |
| 16:09 |
yko |
i'm running some projects on shared :D |
| 16:09 |
sri |
even though shared hosting is dead |
| 16:09 |
yko |
maybe you remember some tricks about Mojo::Lighter that i discussed - to speedup CGI loading |
| 16:10 |
yko |
i dropped it away because user always can wait 0.1s ) |
| 16:11 |
crab |
<%= is xss-safe, right? |
| 16:11 |
yko |
ye |
| 16:11 |
yko |
except you place there ByteStream object |
| 16:12 |
jdixon |
I think I remember now |
| 16:12 |
jdixon |
ScriptAlias isn't enough. it needs some rewrite rules too. |
| 16:13 |
jdixon |
getting 404s on everything that isn't / |
| 16:13 |
yko |
jdixon : if you can wait for 10 minutes, youll have wiki page |
| 16:13 |
jdixon |
I can :) |
| 16:14 |
yko |
http://korshak.name/ra/hold-still.jpg |
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sri |
BLAST WAVE! |
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yko |
:D |
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sri |
http://www.romanticallyapocalyptic.com/home?page=25 |
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sri |
(for the new arrivals) |
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* yko |
has slow ping responce :) |
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polvo |
jdixon, http://pastebin.com/fqyTn3QK |
| 17:51 |
jdixon |
thanks polvo |
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jdixon |
yko: no worries, waiting patiently :) |
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* yko |
hates mod_rewrite |
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crab |
why? |
| 18:15 |
yko |
hmm |
| 18:15 |
yko |
just one moment, i will try to explain |
| 18:16 |
yko |
jdixon: http://bit.ly/fezAki try that |
| 18:16 |
yko |
it has some limitations. i assume you store your static in 'public/' dir, as usual in mojolicious |
| 18:17 |
yko |
and it would work only uif your app lives at root url |
| 18:17 |
yko |
crab: i can not find way how to check static file existance in subfolder |
| 18:18 |
yko |
for example, i'm at http://localhost/sub/ |
| 18:18 |
crab |
e.g. RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-f ...? |
| 18:19 |
yko |
i have request for http://localhost/sub/css/static-file.css and i want to check, if 'public/css/static-file.css' exists at current location |
| 18:19 |
yko |
crab, no. request_filename contains full filepath at local filesystem |
| 18:19 |
crab |
so there is no way to get just the "/css/static-file.css" part? ugh |
| 18:20 |
yko |
ye |
| 18:20 |
crab |
ok, you are allowed to hate mod_rewrite ;-) |
| 18:20 |
yko |
only 'sub/css/static-file.css' - as %{REQUEST_URI} |
| 18:20 |
yko |
:) |
| 18:22 |
yko |
jdixon: please reply if it works for you, ill push it to the wiki so sebastian can be happy |
| 18:23 |
polvo |
yko, check my version :) |
| 18:23 |
yko |
it requires access to httpd.conf, doesnt it? |
| 18:23 |
polvo |
yko, yes |
| 18:23 |
yko |
not acceptable for shared hosting :) |
| 18:24 |
yko |
and it's fcgi version, i'm talking about pure cgi on shared |
| 18:26 |
yko |
btw, my version is more flexible ;p it handle any static file in public at all |
| 18:30 |
polvo |
yko, i just don't like the idea of using cgi :) |
| 18:30 |
yko |
i think nobody likes :) |
| 18:31 |
yko |
but if i have access to httpd.conf i'd put nginx over apache and run mojolicious standalone |
| 18:31 |
yko |
and then consider if i need apache at all :D |
| 18:36 |
polvo |
yko, many shared hoster providers can make the changes you need in httpd.conf, just ask |
| 18:37 |
polvo |
*shared hosting |
| 18:37 |
yko |
whoo... not all shareds are so sweet :) |
| 18:37 |
yko |
i'm not against fcgi |
| 18:38 |
yko |
but i'd like to have universal solutions for any case |
| 18:39 |
yko |
actually, i'm moving everything to vps now. prices for vps and shared are comparable today |
| 18:56 |
sri |
vps prices are only going down, just wait till google and vmware join the game |
| 18:56 |
yko |
no time to wait! :) |
| 18:57 |
yko |
$6/m is quite acceptable price |
| 18:57 |
yko |
i hope when there will be more providers, services became more stable, that would be enough |
| 18:57 |
crab |
hetzner.de recently started offering VPSen that seem quite reasonably priced. |
| 19:15 |
crab |
can i do $upload->move_to($file) and then $upload->slurp it to calculate an md5sum too? |
| 19:26 |
crab |
yes, i can. |
| 19:31 |
yko |
crab, i don't mind |
| 19:32 |
sri |
wow, this time wikileaks will really hurt some politicians |
| 19:33 |
sri |
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/28/the-guardian-global.html |
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sri |
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/11/28/cables-teased-in-nyt.html |
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polvo |
offtopic: can somebody help me with interprocess comm? |
| 20:08 |
sri |
thats a complicated topic |
| 20:08 |
* yko |
uses mojo to do IPC :-[ |
| 20:08 |
sri |
use pipes if you can |
| 20:09 |
polvo |
sri, thats' what i'm doing. :) let me show you the problem |
| 20:09 |
crab |
<- reads about the Plat_forms competition |
| 20:09 |
crab |
i wonder if it's too late for this app i'm working on to dump postgres and use riak instead |
| 20:09 |
crab |
i guess it is. but maybe next time |
| 20:09 |
polvo |
sri, http://pastebin.com/yTqTWsSK |
| 20:10 |
polvo |
sri, i need to identify output from each $subs |
| 20:10 |
sri |
polvo: no time to read a wall of code :/ |
| 20:10 |
sri |
and i've not used IO::Pipe yet |
| 20:12 |
polvo |
sri, briefly, i'm piping output from severals subs run by child to parent. and in parent i need to identify which output was produced by which sub. |
| 20:12 |
sri |
whats the problem? |
| 20:13 |
crab |
doesn't the parent know which pipe it's reading from? |
| 20:14 |
polvo |
sri, crab, child may run multiple subs. parent doesn't know when ends the output from Nth sub and starts Nth+1 |
| 20:15 |
sri |
then send sub names too |
| 20:15 |
polvo |
sri, that's the point. but how? |
| 20:15 |
sri |
use marshalling |
| 20:15 |
sri |
Storable |
| 20:16 |
sri |
JSON |
| 20:16 |
sri |
YAML |
| 20:16 |
sri |
Data::Dumper |
| 20:17 |
polvo |
sri, yeah, thanks |
| 20:21 |
crab |
i wish json keys didn't ahve to be quoted |
| 20:21 |
sri |
just remember that there is a size limit for atomic pipe messages |
| 20:22 |
sri |
so length prefixing might be a good idea if you're getting close to the PIPE_BUF limit |
| 20:31 |
jdixon |
yko: was out for a bit. will try it soonish. |
| 20:32 |
yko |
kewl |
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crab |
hm. the routing tree doesn't quite work the way i thought. |
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jdixon |
anyone using mojo with voltdb? |
| 22:31 |
sri |
actually i've never seen anyone use voltdb with anything ;p |
| 22:31 |
jdixon |
heh |
| 22:32 |
sri |
i don't see that many use cases for it either |
| 22:40 |
sri |
but i'm a sql hater in general these days |
| 22:41 |
jdixon |
why? |
| 22:42 |
sri |
schema changes are hard, fulltext search sucks |
| 22:43 |
sri |
most web apps change, most web apps need good fulltext search |
| 22:44 |
sri |
raw sql is unbearable |
| 22:44 |
sri |
ORMs are ugly hacks |
| 22:44 |
sri |
and and and :) |
| 22:44 |
sri |
now compare that to riak with riak-search |
| 22:45 |
sri |
key/value store with REST api, fulltext indexing for json data with solr REST api |
| 22:46 |
sri |
and dead simple scaling on top of that |
| 22:46 |
sri |
add more nodes and it just works |
| 22:47 |
sri |
not to mention the horrible proprietary network protocols sql databases use |
| 22:48 |
sri |
you are tied to C libraries that usually block |
| 22:48 |
jdixon |
I wish riak had sql-like querying/aggregation. |
| 22:48 |
jdixon |
map/reduce blows. |
| 22:48 |
sri |
what for? |
| 22:48 |
sri |
you have frickin fulltext indexing |
| 22:49 |
jdixon |
I don't need fulltext indexing. |
| 22:49 |
sri |
you can use the solr api instead of sql |
| 22:49 |
sri |
limit indexing to the parts you care about |
| 22:51 |
jdixon |
I know sql fairly well, but I'm not sure how to translate my requirements into riak/solr/map/reduce terminology. |
| 22:51 |
jdixon |
for example |
| 22:51 |
jdixon |
storing network data (lots of it) over time |
| 22:52 |
jdixon |
run a query to give me the top 10 dstports (services), aggregated per hourly windows, for the last 12 hours. |
| 22:52 |
sri |
thats indeed a job for map/reduce |
| 22:52 |
jdixon |
yup |
| 22:52 |
jdixon |
in sql, it's easy |
| 22:53 |
jdixon |
it's a matter of performance (sharding), not applicability |
| 22:53 |
jdixon |
in map/reduce, it would appear to be possible, but a major pita. |
| 22:53 |
sri |
i don't think so, but hey, use whatever you like most |
| 22:55 |
jdixon |
oh, we're using mongodb right now. but map/reduce is giving me headaches. |
| 22:55 |
jdixon |
someone else asked about voltdb. I noticed there were no Perl libs (just REST), so I was just curious what you guys thought about it. |
| 22:55 |
sri |
map/reduce != map/reduce |
| 22:56 |
jdixon |
interesting math. ;) |
| 22:56 |
sri |
every database implements it differently |
| 22:59 |
sri |
mongodb is a horrible example though... proprietary C libraries too |
| 23:00 |
jdixon |
besides that, what makes it a horrible example? |
| 23:01 |
sri |
thats my main problem, making it non blocking is horrible |
| 23:02 |
jdixon |
so it's fair to say you're a riak fanboi? ;) |
| 23:02 |
sri |
i also like membase |
| 23:03 |
sri |
couchdb and redis not so much, but they are ok |
| 23:03 |
jdixon |
don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for the basho guys |
| 23:03 |
jdixon |
I wouldn't have invited Justin to speak at Surge otherwise. :) |
| 23:04 |
sri |
originally i was a couchdb fanboi actually, but they lack focus |
| 23:05 |
jdixon |
sri: who do you work for? |
| 23:06 |
sri |
freelancer |
| 23:06 |
jdixon |
k |
| 23:13 |
sri |
basically everything that uses a proprietary network protocol is a red flag for me :) |
| 23:13 |
jdixon |
what do you consider "proprietary"? |
| 23:13 |
jdixon |
undocumented? |
| 23:13 |
jdixon |
one-off? |
| 23:14 |
jdixon |
closed off by the vendor, only able to access with binary libs? |
| 23:14 |
sri |
all of those |
| 23:14 |
jdixon |
so a one-off is proprietary? |
| 23:14 |
jdixon |
even if it's fully documented and open-source? |
| 23:15 |
sri |
if you're refering to the memcached protocol then no |
| 23:15 |
jdixon |
I'm not referring to any specific protocol. |
| 23:15 |
sri |
fully documented and open source depends |
| 23:16 |
sri |
one could argue the mongodb is open because there is a blurry spec |
| 23:16 |
sri |
*+one |
| 23:16 |
sri |
but in practice it is so complicated you just have to use their library |
| 23:17 |
sri |
the memcached one on the other hand is great, love the simplicity |
| 23:19 |
sri |
wish more databases would just use http |
| 23:21 |
sri |
being able to just use curl to speak with your database is awesome |
| 23:21 |
sri |
at least for me as a web focused hacker |
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