Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-11-30

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00:24 xantus[] http://www.facebook.com/vide​o/video.php?v=1528595068595
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09:39 su-bzero How to pass not_found via bridge?
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10:43 rhaen moin!
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12:33 sri moin
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12:48 yko hi. ht day? :)
12:48 yko or not ht?
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12:55 sri today is hypnotoad day :)
12:56 MojoGuest65 you love hypnotoad
12:56 sri ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
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12:58 sri just writing the recipes now, will commit later
13:01 yko don't hurry :)
13:02 sri why not? :O
13:02 yko well, when i'm hurry i'm doing many stupid things :(
13:02 sri it's just documentation now anyway ;p
13:03 sri but i will also make a list of signals and config file options
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13:26 Akron Stupid things in documentation are still stupid things ...
13:27 Akron Oh - wonderful error message: "I put the pid in stupid!"
13:29 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih re:lower barrier for #mojolicious, add docs describing design patterns used and what each is responsible for. Examples only go so far" --vivek_khera http://twitter.com/vivek_kh​era/status/9600004796710912
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13:38 sri ok, also added hypnotoad --test mode that will only load the application and config file
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14:01 fish__ strange.. i've deployed bootylicious here but it seems something is wrong with the routes. everything leads to a 404 and the worst part is: i don't see any debugging output in my error.log (lighttpd sucks at that afaik)
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14:11 fish__ oh
14:11 fish__ okay
14:11 fish__ looks like i never deployed bootylicious on /
14:12 fish__ so you need 'fix-root-scriptname' in lighttpd fastcgi config to make it work. sri / vtivti: maybe someone of you cares to document that: http://redmine.lighttpd.net/proje​cts/lighttpd/wiki/Docs:ModFastCGI
14:23 sri this is open source, you don't need anyone else to document stuff ;)
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15:27 Akron fish__: I use something like that for mod_rewrite in Apache: http://pastebin.com/WHmAG99G
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17:07 sri code name for 1.0 will be Snowflake i think
17:08 rhaen yeah
17:08 sri and it will be around xmas :)
17:08 rhaen my macbook is named snowflake (because of the white body)
17:08 rhaen cool!
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17:09 rhaen I knew that you'll choose a k3wL name!
17:09 rhaen btw - where was that poster with the gasmask man?
17:09 sri thats a question for yko
17:10 yko which one? :)
17:10 su-bzero codename Snegovik
17:10 rhaen awlwrong
17:10 yko ha.
17:10 jfuller Hey guys, I'm just getting started with Mojolicious, and I've hit a bit of a sticking point. I'm trying to figure out how to access parameters from a form post. I looked at some samples, and it seems the way to do it should be $self->param('field_name'), but I am only getting 'cb' back from $self->param
17:10 yko http://korshak.name/ra/awlwrong.png
17:10 su-bzero yko: Vote for Snegnaya Baba. ;)
17:11 yko su-bzero, we already had 'snegovik' codename :D
17:11 su-bzero Snegovik! Cause mojo is russian product.
17:11 su-bzero Russians rule the sri to create Mojo.
17:11 sri jfuller: that usually means there are no post parameters
17:12 sri you vote in russia?
17:13 yko jfuller: i hope you try to access post params in controller's method, not in startup?
17:13 su-bzero Yes. Vote sometimes... but with no results. ;))
17:13 yko sri: no, they don't. they have only one name printed on the bulletin
17:14 sri su-bzero: i think we should pick up that russian tradition here then :D
17:14 sri yko: another neat tradition!
17:14 su-bzero No sri in bulletin. It will be fair. ;)
17:14 su-bzero VBulletin 3.5 ;)
17:15 yko in ukraine when we wote, we gather 2/3 country on central square in kiev. somebody calls candidate name and those people who vote for that name toss hats in air.
17:15 su-bzero O, cool anyway, 1.0!
17:15 sri Lets vote for a codename... choose any of the following: [X] Snowflake
17:15 yko those candidates for whom more hats - wins
17:15 su-bzero [x] Snegovik
17:15 sri i've already filled it out for you, for userfriendlyness
17:15 yko sri++ :D
17:16 yko that's russian way, but don't forget to check form after they voted.
17:16 sri oh of course
17:17 sri su-bzero: you're disqualified
17:17 yko sometimes they write own custom lines and vote for them
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17:17 yko in that way we in ukraine forced president to answer 'how to patch KDE for freebsd 3.5'
17:17 jfuller sri: It appears you are correct. I only put the id attribute on the fields, forgot to add name.
17:17 yko and he did :D
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17:20 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/9657990214844416
17:20 yko yupiii!
17:21 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlnin​ja/status/9658218791837696
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17:22 su-bzero1 Stop-stop.
17:22 su-bzero1 I was disconnected!
17:22 su-bzero1 By ukraine mafia!
17:22 sri proof?
17:22 su-bzero1 Yes, proof with tests!
17:22 su-bzero1 t/ukraine-mafia.t
17:23 sri if it was them there would be no proof...
17:23 su-bzero1 proof of concept.
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17:26 su-bzero1 2 su-bzeros were killed.
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17:39 Akron Have you seen Hynotoad lately?
17:39 Akron Do I have to go to the PM meeting now without HT?
17:40 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --AFreshOne http://twitter.com/AFreshO​ne/status/9662984997572608
17:40 sri Akron: one more hour
17:40 su-bzero1 This year! No, in Russia we have Christmas at 7 January! ;)
17:42 Akron Okay ... then I have to check it tomorrow ... won't be good, testing after a couple of ... what's the english term for "Glühwein"? "Glowwine"? Whatever ... good luck with the release! :)
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18:03 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --rabenfeder http://twitter.com/rabenfed​er/status/9668934106087425
18:05 rhaen that's worth a retweet!
18:07 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ kraih: # mojolicious 1.0 (code name Snowflake) will be released around Christmas, this year! :) # Perl" (de) --SaschaDroste http://twitter.com/SaschaDro​ste/status/9669869247135744
18:10 moritz what should I do if a deamon started --reload  doesn't reload?
18:11 sri restart
18:11 sri some changes can't be reloaded
18:11 sri shouldn't happen often though
18:11 moritz it's a change in a template
18:11 moritz in a __DATA__ section
18:12 sri that would be strange
18:12 moritz I'd expect a warning that a reload didn't happen, at least
18:12 sri no it's not one of those cases
18:12 sri not reloadable cases are unpredictable
18:12 sri this one could be a bug
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18:18 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempiret​ech/status/9672633880674305
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18:39 perlrocks Twitter: "Ура! RT @kraih #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/9677928849739776
18:40 sri it's time
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18:42 GitHub55 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 433d0fa (10 files in 7 dirs): added experimental Hypnotoad web server - http://bit.ly/icWj1n
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18:42 sri ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
18:44 perlrocks Twitter: "ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! :) http://bit.ly/gw7juf #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/9679184997646336
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18:46 perlrocks Twitter: "I don't think zero downtime software upgrades have ever been this easy and fun. ;) http://bit.ly/h4RM6T #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/9679633385525248
18:46 janus \o/
18:46 janus better attribute names i like a lot :)
18:47 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --xuntaka http://twitter.com/xuntaka/status/9679879113023488
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18:48 sri hypnotoad will need a lot of testing
18:48 sri and i'm looking forward to suggestions for callback hooks
18:49 sri like an after_fork hook
18:49 sri maybe monitoring hooks
18:51 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: I don't think zero downtime software upgrades have ever been this easy and fun. ;) http://bit.ly/h4RM6T #mojolicious #perl" --j3nnn1 http://twitter.com/j3nnn1/status/9680858273292288
18:53 janus 4194304?
18:53 sri got a better number? :)
18:55 janus sub BETTERNUM() { 4194304 } # for example ;)
18:56 sri the number really doesn't matter, we're just sending PIDs ;p
18:57 janus maybe BUFSIZ?
18:58 sri you mean PIPE_BUF
18:58 sri i think thats the value that decides about atomic writes
18:59 janus yes, even closer to what i can imagine in that context
18:59 sri actually i would prefer a funny number, since we don't really need a sensible value anyway :D
18:59 janus 42 too boring?
19:00 janus no life -> no heartbeat
19:03 sri 42 migth actually be too small
19:07 janus 42 * 7 # + a comment about the futurama episode where cats invade earth because they're so cute?
19:08 janus well, or keep 4194304 ;)
19:11 sri i need to review that episode now
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19:12 perlrocks Twitter: "Hypnotoad: A new preforking Perl server for #Mojolicious http://tinyurl.com/33umfgq #Perl" --vtivti http://twitter.com/vtivti/status/9686245915496448
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19:13 sri wow, that was a quick blog post
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19:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Sweet! RT @kraih: I don't think zero downtime software upgrades have ever been this easy and fun. ;) http://bit.ly/h4RM6T #mojolicious #perl" --obfuscurity http://twitter.com/obfuscur​ity/status/9687413030912002
19:24 janus diff looks good... pulling now :)
19:27 janus reload is really outstanding in the GetOptions call, shouldn't proxy too?
19:27 sri ?
19:28 janus all other opts are quoted
19:28 sri don't think so
19:29 sri they are quoted because they contain a =
19:29 janus proxy does not... but anyways... i better actually test it :)
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19:31 janus heh, s!HYPPNO!HYPNO!
19:31 janus tests including hypnotoad pass on openbsd/amd64
19:33 sri \o/
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19:34 janus damn its fast
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19:40 sri please keep an eye on memory usage, there might still be a leak or two
19:40 sri i've been profiling a lot but some are really hard to spot
19:45 janus especially when you're developing... oops *g*
19:46 sri Oo
19:47 janus but a good reason to test all the stuff i've written the last weekend
19:56 marcus ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
19:57 marcus good timing for my talk on saturday, sri :-)
19:57 sri :D
19:57 sri i'm looking for hypnotoad hack ideas btw
19:58 sri the ultimate goal is to make the whole server entirely hackable
19:58 marcus so that I can easily run a smtp server on it?
19:58 marcus or what do you mean? :)
19:58 sri actually thats almost possible already ;p
19:59 sri but i mean monitoring and stuff
19:59 marcus nagios probe out of the box? :)
19:59 sri for example i've been thinking about sending more than just heartbeats to the manager
20:00 sri yea, something like that
20:00 janus hmmm
20:00 marcus good munin support could be useful to
20:00 marcus too
20:00 marcus in order to tweak it
20:01 marcus and munin is perl, too :)
20:01 sri the the kinda stuff i'm looking for
20:02 sri not to implement myself, but to enable such extensions ;p
20:02 marcus mhm
20:02 marcus I think a lot of stuff hooks up to apache-status
20:04 janus actually, mojo can be handy to build a easy deployable monitoring-system... all you need is \u2665! :)
20:05 sri BLACK HEART SUIT? oO
20:05 marcus sri already has a black heart
20:05 baton8 and superhero T-shirt ;)
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20:07 janus nah, i more thought of mojos sign for revolution
20:07 perlrocks Twitter: "Cool server! @kraih thanks! RT: @vtivti: Hypnotoad: A new preforking Perl server for #Mojolicious http://tinyurl.com/33umfgq #Perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/9700037734965248
20:07 sri !tweet viva la revolucion!
20:07 perlrocks sri: http://twitter.com/perlroc​ks/status/9700080693022720
20:07 perlrocks Twitter: "@perlrocks I'm not pregnant just chubby. lol :: happy fat or not, you were awesome last night.// GroupieTweet http://tjss.lz.am/aQ6PF" --hwdbbwcd http://twitter.com/hwdbbwc​d/status/9700095708635136
20:07 sri wtf
20:07 janus yes, thanks is something that has to be said!
20:08 marcus is there a unicode symbol for the gonzo fist?
20:08 marcus with two thumbs..
20:09 marcus would make a rockin'
20:09 marcus http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://gyaniz​.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/26.png&imgrefurl​=http://gyaniz.wordpress.com/2010/02/&usg=__P​npVHyayq5R337HEwoEZQn9aMIg=&h=590&w=400&a​mp;sz=38&hl=en&start=0&sig2=XsPId55fS​mrUwEuaZ03uxA&zoom=1&tbnid=m7OnHTCfQjZPBM​:&tbnh=142&tbnw=96&ei=1Vn1TJDgM4mB5Aa​qkYjABw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgonzo%2Bfist%26um%​3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1381%26bih%3D728%2​6tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&amp​;vpx=499&vpy=41&dur=405&hovh=2
20:09 marcus 3&hovw=185&tx=93&ty=144&oei=1Vn1TJDgM4mB5Aaqk​YjABw&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=36&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0
20:09 marcus wow, gotta love that url
20:09 sri u270c VICTORY HAND
20:09 sri
20:09 marcus that looks like a rabbit :)
20:09 marcus GONZO HAND needs to be added to unicode
20:10 marcus !tweet Someone needs to add GONZO HAND to the unicode spec
20:10 perlrocks marcus: http://twitter.com/perlroc​ks/status/9700730088726528
20:10 * marcus gets a beer and digs into the hypnotoad
20:11 sri ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
20:12 marcus v-string in use/require non-portable at (eval 91) line 1.
20:12 marcus is that similar to gstring?
20:12 sri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​5ZmvkOR0oTQ&feature=related
20:13 marcus that is with system perl on osx
20:14 sri marcus: you talking about mojolicious?
20:14 marcus yeah
20:14 marcus installed trunk and tried making an app
20:15 sri i just tried system perl
20:15 sri works flawless
20:15 marcus on 10.6.4_
20:15 marcus ?
20:15 sri 10.6.5
20:16 sri perl 5.8.9
20:16 marcus uhm
20:16 marcus I have 5.10.1
20:16 marcus 5.10.0
20:16 sri oh wait
20:16 marcus even
20:16 sri 5.10.0
20:16 sri i see it there
20:16 marcus that is the osx system perl
20:16 sri weird
20:16 sri it's only in 5.10.x
20:17 sri 5.12 has no such warning
20:17 marcus http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.​perl5.porters/2007/10/msg130062.html
20:18 marcus hmm
20:18 marcus script/hypnoplay hypnotoad  is supposed to return?
20:18 sri hypnotoad uses it's own executable
20:19 sri description might be misleading
20:20 marcus well, it probably shouldnt show up in script/myapp help then?
20:20 marcus at least not as a command
20:20 sri ye
20:21 xantus[] its my last day at sencha
20:22 marcus oi
20:22 xantus[] I have taken a job at zipwhip in seattle
20:22 marcus got bored of being sent to nowhere?
20:22 xantus[] yes
20:22 marcus seattle isn't as cool as SFO tho :p
20:23 xantus[] true true
20:23 marcus is zipwhip shiny?
20:23 xantus[] they're fairly new
20:23 xantus[] 2 years old I think
20:23 marcus their web page is trippy :)
20:23 marcus at least on chrome
20:24 marcus it's a windowing system!
20:24 xantus[] thats extjs
20:24 xantus[] lol :)
20:24 marcus I can understand making apps in extjs... but your homepage? :)
20:25 xantus[] so is my home page
20:25 xantus[] haha
20:25 marcus I guess you will feel at home there then :)
20:26 marcus any perl at zipwhip?
20:26 marcus or js only gig?
20:27 xantus[] js and java
20:27 xantus[] there might be some perl
20:28 xantus[] but I'm learning more android, java, etc
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20:28 marcus I've just seen budgets for Nordaaker Consulting for 2011, which involve us growing to 8 people by august.
20:28 sri marcus: just removed it entirely
20:28 marcus xantus: android could be cool.
20:28 marcus I'd rather use scala than java tho
20:28 marcus if I had to target the jvm
20:29 sri i still have mixed feelings about android
20:30 marcus I just ordered a windows mobile 7 phone for testing :D
20:30 marcus htc 7 trophy
20:30 sri android needs real scripting support
20:30 sri oh my xbox phone
20:31 marcus wonder if you can use ironruby to write apps for it
20:31 marcus sri: yeah, zunephone
20:31 marcus http://msdn.microsoft.com/e​n-us/magazine/ff960707.aspx
20:31 marcus you can!
20:31 marcus I will totally wite a mobile app in ironruby
20:31 marcus and vmware
20:31 sri too bad they axed ironruby
20:32 marcus they did?
20:32 sri yea, same as ironpython
20:32 marcus http://ironruby.net/
20:32 sri made cuts until the few remaining fulltime devs left microsoft
20:34 marcus ah
20:34 marcus so the project stil exists, it just isn't paid for by microsoft anymore?
20:34 sri last i heard the creator of ironruby was playign with the jvm or so :)
20:35 marcus heh, oracle doesn't seem much more tempting
20:35 sri quite the contrary
20:35 marcus did you see the latest hudson incident?
20:35 sri http://www.hudson-labs.org/​content/whos-driving-thing
20:35 sri hah, was about to link it
20:35 marcus mm
20:36 marcus actively hindering open source development for fun and profit
20:36 rhaen hejjjooo!
20:36 sri you can really see how they are just trying to squeeze money out of it before finally axing the whole thing
20:37 sri they don't give a damn about open source
20:38 sri i think they are just looking around atm for things they can squeeze money out of
20:38 marcus yeah
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20:43 sri warning is gone
20:46 marcus ooh, bridalplasti.╰─[:)] % hypnotoad --foreground script/hypnoplay
20:46 marcus is that the way I should be using it?
20:47 sri if you want to keep it in the foreground
20:47 jfuller Is there a way to retrieve a session id?
20:47 marcus imhm
20:47 marcus sri: Why is it defaulting to a different port than daemon?
20:47 marcus also, doesn't it log?
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20:48 sri marcus: it is a production server
20:48 sri it starts in production mode
20:48 marcus ok
20:49 marcus I thought production mode wrote log/production.log
20:49 sri the log level is also higher
20:49 marcus yeah, but it's not even making the file.
20:50 sri could be lazy, not sure
20:50 marcus any way to force it to log something?
20:50 marcus just add a log statement to startup?
20:50 sri MOJO_LOG_LEVEL=debug
20:50 sri that should override everything
20:51 marcus yepp
20:51 marcus that works
20:51 sri just lazy then :)
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20:51 marcus yea
20:51 marcus Tue Nov 30 21:51:19 2010 debug Mojolicious::Controller:407 [17458]: Resource "favicon/welcome.ico.ep" not found.
20:51 marcus
20:51 marcus oh noes!
20:52 sri haha
20:52 marcus would actually be nice if public included a favicon to avoid those.
20:52 sri yes, on my list
20:52 sri together with the built in exception template
20:52 sri facelift for 1.0
20:52 marcus yeah, that's a nice one too
20:53 marcus prettier templates in general would be cool for 1.0 :)
20:54 sri it's open source! ;p
20:54 marcus ah, forgot. Not meant to be pretty
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20:54 sri nooo, means you are free to contribute templates ;)
20:55 marcus aha :)
20:55 marcus maybe I'll dispatch some minions
20:55 sri not sure there is enough time to also revamp the skeletons
20:55 rhaen use my example from the blog for a nice favicon
20:55 rhaen until sri provide a nicer one
20:55 sri since i want to turn the website into a pod viewer too
20:55 marcus but we're really busy for christmas.
20:55 sri for 1.0
20:55 marcus lots of clients trying to spend their budget for 2010
20:56 rhaen marcus: nice!
20:56 sri then again, not like 1.0 will be our last release :D
20:56 marcus true :)
20:57 sri having mojolicious now feature complete feels really good though \o/
20:58 * marcus pats sri on his back.
20:58 * sri needs a cigar
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20:59 * rhaen claps.
20:59 rhaen sri: we should start to write more documentation then
20:59 sri indeed
20:59 marcus yepps
20:59 rhaen sri: oh, and I will work on a presentation for the next German PWS
21:00 sri \o/
21:00 rhaen marcus, will join us, too!
21:00 marcus rhaen: I'm scheduled to hold a presentation on saturday in London...
21:00 marcus so I have no choice
21:00 rhaen cool!
21:00 rhaen London.pm?
21:00 marcus 40 glorious minutes about mojolicious
21:00 marcus London perl workshop
21:00 sri wow
21:00 rhaen hm, well - you won't be able to mention everything
21:00 rhaen but cool!
21:01 rhaen don't forget to mention all the fanboys!
21:01 marcus heh
21:01 * rhaen flashes.
21:01 marcus I thought I'd merge my two previous mojolicious talks
21:01 * rhaen cries: MOJOLICIOUS - JOIN US!
21:02 marcus and add stuff about things that has been added since, like hypnotoad
21:02 marcus so that I can have a shitload of slides and talk really ast
21:02 marcus fast
21:02 rhaen dont forget to put them on slideshare,pls
21:02 rhaen we can link to them from our cool wiki
21:02 rhaen which improves everytime!
21:03 rhaen always! Nearly every day!
21:03 marcus rhaen: of course
21:03 marcus I always put my slides on slideshare
21:03 marcus for some reason
21:03 marcus even tho I don't actually like slideshare
21:03 rhaen :)
21:04 rhaen make sure to record audio!
21:04 rhaen make sure to record video from the talk!
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21:05 marcus I'll leave that decision to the people who hold the conference, I guess.
21:05 marcus It's not like I'm gonna force my wife to come and bring a camcorder.
21:05 rhaen you can bring plenty of women to your talks tho!
21:05 rhaen Cool idea.
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21:05 rhaen We need Mojo cheerleaders
21:06 rhaen sri, can you do something about it?
21:06 sri ok, you can now type "hypnotoad" without starting a server unintentionally
21:06 rhaen sri: maybe you dress like a ....?
21:06 * sri slowly backs off
21:06 * sri runs
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21:13 marcus KILL ALL HUMANS
21:15 marcus I've decided to try to make my slides entertaining this time.
21:15 marcus I heard the way to do it is to include lots of pictures of strippers.
21:18 sri i heard that too
21:19 marcus Also, that way castaway will put me out my misery really quickly
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21:20 sri there would be blog posts dedicated to you too
21:22 marcus I like the sound of that
21:23 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: #mojolicious 1.0 (codename Snowflake) will be released around christmas, this year! :) #perl" --rainboxx http://twitter.com/rainbox​x/status/9719150570119168
21:24 rhaen Nerd humor: A SQL query walks into a bar. He approaches two tables and says, "Mind if I join you?"
21:24 rhaen hahaha
21:25 sri ;p
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21:34 marcus yeah, very nerdy
21:34 marcus please don't use it in a presentation about mojo ;-)
21:34 rhaen ok.
21:34 rhaen I won't :)
21:35 * marcus is subtitling his presenttion 'A new hope'.
21:35 marcus 'Mojolicious - A new hope'
21:35 rhaen hm, isn't that Starwars slang?
21:35 rhaen good!
21:35 marcus it's actually the name of the second episode
21:35 sri mojo slides with pictures of dancers could be funny too
21:36 marcus I'll fit it in as apropriate
21:36 marcus would like to use something similiar to to the apple dancers then
21:36 marcus ipod dancers even
21:36 sri just exotic dancers
21:36 marcus http://www.google.com/images?q=ipod+dancers​&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&​ei=YW71TKDLPJDsOd6R6Y4I&sa=X&oi=ima​ge_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&a​mp;ved=0CCUQsAQwAA&biw=1381&bih=728
21:36 sri haha
21:37 sri shagadelic
21:40 marcus http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://zie​design.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/dar​thvader-ipod.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ziedesig​n.com/blog/2007/06/18/hilarious-darth-vader-ip​od-spoof-pic/&h=500&w=350&sz=51&am​p;tbnid=xlNMkbbhiVe0dM:&tbnh=268&tbnw=​188&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddarth%2Bvader%2Bipo​d&zoom=1&q=darth+vader+ipod&usg=__​MkiJa3adaJOIwbRDWgrUr0ags-s=&sa=X&ei=P​W_1TO6IJNCVOqrZpc4I&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA
21:40 marcus PURRFECT
21:40 sri lol
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21:49 sri hmm, think i'd like to bundle jquery with mojolicious
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22:04 marcus http://nordaaker.com/docs/skitch​/Mojolicious-20101130-230417.png
22:04 sri lol
22:04 sri needs soundtrack
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22:07 jfuller Are there any known problems with using Mojolicious::Lite with 5.8?
22:07 sri some features are disabled
22:08 sri marcus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​M6PIZ0kSgNw&feature=related
22:09 marcus sri: Sweet, thanks
22:09 jfuller sri, So far I noticed that it doesn't auto detect environment, and using "begin" in the template throws a bareword error. And I was able to work around those issues. The big problem is that hashes are getting mangled
22:09 marcus sri: I will put that on the background of my presentation :D
22:09 marcus so that it plays while waiting for me to talk
22:10 sri haha
22:10 marcus this talk will rule
22:11 sri jfuller: which perl version exactly?
22:11 jfuller sri: 5.8.9
22:11 sri jfuller: you're doing something wrong then, tests pass here
22:12 sri well, actually they pass everywhere according to cpantesters
22:13 sri 5.8.7+ should mostly just work
22:13 jfuller sri: My code works under 5.10.1, so I'm probably overlooking something
22:13 sri likely
22:13 sri all the stuff you mentioned is tested
22:13 sri especially begin blocks
22:14 jfuller sir: for example, $self->session('auth_key' => $key, 'auth_code' => $code); results in $self->session('auth_key') eq 'auth_code'
22:14 jfuller sri*
22:15 sri that does not look like a perl problem at all
22:16 sri you're possibly screwing something up :)
22:16 marcus sri: what was that oneliner you made to install latest from github?
22:17 sri it's in the readme :)
22:17 sri curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - http://latest.mojolicio.us
22:17 marcus muhaha
22:17 jfuller sri: Also in the template, link_to 'click here' => 'route_name', throws an error about 'click here' not being a route. Just a lot or really strange things
22:18 marcus My evil plan to make everyone dependent on cpanmin.us then switch it to goat.cx is coming together
22:18 sri :O
22:18 marcus kidding
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22:23 tempire_ shnikies. Hypnotoad has one hell of a quote.
22:24 sri it's the magical futurama/simpsons crossover
22:24 marcus awsome
22:24 marcus http://alienryderflex.com/crawl/
22:24 marcus awe
22:34 marcus sri: perl -Mojo -e'g("www.bbc.co.uk/")->dom("#news_container a")->each(sub { b(shift->text)->decode->say })'
22:35 marcus can you see why that one is throwing a bunch of warnings?
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22:36 marcus hmm, actually my example from before that worked also throws a bunch of warnings
22:36 marcus (perl -Mojo -e'
22:36 marcus g("vg.no/")
22:36 marcus ->dom(".article-content h3 a")
22:36 marcus ->each(sub {
22:36 marcus b(shift->text)
22:36 marcus ->decode->say })')
22:37 marcus oops, sorry about multiline pasting :(
22:37 tempire_ You weren't kicked.  The force is clearly strong with you.
22:37 marcus clearly
22:37 sri i think you have undef values in there
22:38 sri perl -Mojo -e'g("www.bbc.co.uk/")->dom("#news_container a")->each(sub { print b(shift->text)->say })'
22:38 sri results for that look kinda strange
22:38 sri you sure the selector is good?
22:38 sri could also be a scraper trap
22:39 sri most news sites have those
22:39 marcus that actually looks fine
22:39 marcus thanks
22:39 sri wait
22:39 sri decode doesn't make sense
22:40 sri text returns chars i think
22:40 sri so for output you would encode
22:41 sri there are undef values in there
22:41 sri perl -Mojo -e'g("www.bbc.co.uk/")->dom("#news_container a")->each(sub { b(pop, ". ", $_->text)->say if $_->text })'
22:42 sri proof
22:42 sri your selector fu is weak old friend
22:45 sri perl -Mojo -e'g("www.bbc.co.uk/")->dom("#news_container li a")->each(sub { b(pop, ". ", $_->text)->say if $_->text })'
22:45 sri almost there
22:46 sri perl -Mojo -e'g("www.bbc.co.uk/")->dom("#news_moreTopStories li a")->each(sub { b(pop, ". ", $_->text)->say })'
22:46 sri thats a better one
22:47 sri if you want more stories you can use "," and add a whole new selector ;)
22:50 marcus nice
22:51 marcus but throwing a bunch of undef warnings for a failed selector seems weird
22:51 sri you were passing undef values into Encode
22:51 sri it doesn't like that
22:51 marcus ah
22:52 sri friendly workaround might be to always make ->text return an empty string or so
22:52 sri don't think i would refuse such a patch
22:52 sri then again, same thing would happen if you pass in $_->attrs->{href} unchecked
22:53 sri oh yea
22:54 sri ->decode->
22:54 sri lol
22:54 sri decode *what*
22:54 und3f is now known as und3f[A]
22:54 sri ->decode('UTF-8')-> is a lot friendlier
22:55 sri ok
22:55 sri perl -Mojo -e'g("www.bbc.co.uk/")->dom("#news_container a")->each(sub { b(shift->text)->encode("UTF-8")->say })'
22:55 sri thats what you really meant
22:55 marcus isn't that the default?
22:56 sri no default
22:56 marcus (UTF-8) ?
22:56 marcus ok
22:56 sri i wouldn't refuse a patch though ;p
23:00 marcus of course, but you would want tests :p
23:00 sri of course ;)
23:00 marcus ok, I did http://pastebin.com/pcFLm9e8
23:00 marcus I'll see if I can cook up some tests for that tomorrow
23:00 sri oh noes
23:01 sri it's even done right
23:01 sri i'll make a test ;p
23:10 marcus wow, people upload spam presentations to slideshare.net - http://www.slideshare.net/yyyety/1203-5675406
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23:29 xantus[] hah, lame
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