Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-12-09

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01:37 MojoGuest815 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (85 hits)
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01:41 GitHub182 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 58f0e79 (5 files in 4 dirs): improved Hypnotoad web server to restart workers regularly - http://bit.ly/flHu0O
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01:44 sri workers will be restarted every 2000 - 25000 requests by default, depending on keep alive requests
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02:03 crab hmm.
02:08 sri don't like it?
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02:11 crab no, don't mind. just wondering idly if you'd seen leaks or something, or if there was another motivation.
02:11 sri not in mojolicious itself
02:11 sri but real apps pretty much always leak
02:13 sri restarting workers doesn't cost much and the gain might be huge for such apps
02:13 sri i like the "it just works" feeling
02:14 crab sri: you prefer pull requests on github rather than patches by email, right?
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02:42 sri Right
02:43 crab ok.
02:43 sri Looks like my dsl is down, iPhone irc now :-S
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07:34 Christian morning
07:35 marcus moin
07:35 marcus hmm
07:35 marcus I was thinking it would be sweet to have a simple way to make a mojo action work as a proxy
07:36 marcus like get '/foo => sub { shift->proxy_to('http://slashdot.org/') };
07:36 marcus that should just be a simple helper, right?
07:37 marcus '/foo' even
07:37 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious такой Mojolicious http://is.gd/iqC8q =) #perl #mojolicious #smile" --xomaa http://twitter.com/xomaa/status/12772785419984896
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07:42 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Really good #riak screencasts and webinars. http://bit.ly/eiXRhC #mojolicious" --demeshchuk http://twitter.com/demeshch​uk/status/12774124912910336
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08:24 rhaen hola!
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09:03 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious - # A framework to accelerate web development in Perl # # FDW http://fdw.lu/akA" (fr) --Ouark http://twitter.com/Ouark/status/12794334541778944
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09:05 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ Ouarka: mojolicious - # A framework to accelerate web development in Perl # # FDW http://fdw.lu/akA" (fr) --ludobos http://twitter.com/ludobos​/status/12794947778379776
09:06 marcus molah
09:08 crab damn, this riak schema design "webinar" is incredibly soporific.
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09:53 gizzlon sri: sr, can we please get syntax like this? Ant that array loop thng looks fatastic: http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm​/fun-with-cfloop-collection-array
09:53 gizzlon got to love java ;)
09:58 perlrocks Twitter: "gugod has this thing called perlrocks which is quite interesting, similarly inspired off of rubygems http://bit.ly/fp6Yuz #shibuyapm" --miyagawa http://twitter.com/miyagaw​a/status/12808266258055168
09:59 crab gizzlon: i hope you're joking
10:00 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @miyagawa: gugod has this thing called perlrocks which is quite interesting, similarly inspired off of rubygems http://bit.ly/fp6Yuz  ..." --shu_cao http://twitter.com/shu_cao​/status/12808727904124928
10:05 marcus hah
10:05 marcus I really like sammy.js
10:06 marcus heh, perlrocks namespace conflict :o
10:07 gizzlon crab: of course =)
10:07 crab i hate finding out about new xss-type attacks
10:07 crab this javascript hijacking thing has ruined my day
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10:09 omega is perlrocks related to luarocks?
10:09 omega yeah
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10:18 perlrocks Twitter: "perlrocks http://dlvr.it/B24dX" (ja) --RtestR http://twitter.com/RtestR/status/12813206401581056
10:21 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ Ouarka: mojolicious - # A framework to accelerate web development in Perl # # FDW http://fdw.lu/akA" (fr) --mojoLyon http://twitter.com/mojoLyo​n/status/12814089717813248
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10:40 marcus FDW?
10:40 marcus Fuck Dead Warriors?
10:40 marcus La Ferme du Web
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10:48 szasenko hi. I am using nginx over mojo, page is accessable with https, but redirects in mojo redirects to http page
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10:52 kaare Can I ask mojo to tell which routes it's taking? Using the daemon, or any psgi server.
10:52 kaare debug style
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11:01 ajgb hi
11:02 ajgb it seems that render_exception is not setting the response status to 500
11:02 ajgb marcus: your LPW talk got me interested :)
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11:11 ajgb I'm working on MojoX::Renderer::Alloy (Template::Alloy) - currently on github https://github.com/ajgb/mojox-renderer-alloy
11:12 ajgb and both mine and MojoX::Renderer::TT tests are failing because render_exception called from _render is not setting status to 500
11:12 ajgb has anything changed recently or I've got a bug somewhere?
11:15 spleenjack ajgb: you should update mojo to last github revision
11:18 marcus ajgb: mission accomplished!
11:18 marcus =)
11:19 marcus kaare: mojo routes
11:19 kaare marcus: Yeah, but during a request.
11:20 kaare I found the actual problem, but that leads me to a new question,
11:20 ajgb spleenjack: thanks, that has fixed it :)
11:20 kaare can't I have a $r->bridge('/')->... ?
11:21 crab i use $r->bridge->to(...) a lot
11:21 ajgb marcus: I was looking for a pure perl framework, that you could simply upload via ftp and mojo ticks all boxes :)
11:21 crab is Template::Alloy really a humongous porridge of a gazillion different templating modules?
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11:22 marcus I think Template::Alloy looks interesting
11:22 marcus it can pretend to be TT
11:23 kaare crab: Oh, thanks. That's the syntax of course :-)
11:23 ajgb yep, and it's faster
11:23 ajgb and pure perl
11:24 crab kaare: i'd expect ->bridge('/')->to to work also
11:24 kaare crab: It doesn't
11:25 crab kaare: ask sri, it's probably a bug
11:27 marcus uh?
11:27 kaare crab: Well, it's quite logical if you read the documentation, but perhaps ->bridge('') should work.
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11:28 marcus the argument to bridge is kind of like catalyst pathpart, isn't it?
11:28 crab what are you reading that makes it sound logical that / shouldn't work?
11:28 crab having long forgotten what the catalyst pathpart is, i'm afraid i can't say
11:29 crab kaare: oh, i see. the "/foo => undef" part. ok, fair enough.
11:30 marcus http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/Mojolicious-0.999​950/lib/Mojolicious/Guides/Routing.pod#Bridges
11:31 crab yes, i see that ->bridge('/foo') applies only to things _under_ /foo/, not /foo itself
11:31 crab though i think that could stand to be made a little more clear.
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11:41 kaare marcus: What I'm looking for is a log like catalyst does it, telling what is done.
11:42 kaare Mojo to be more verbose, so to speak.
11:42 kaare In developer mode.
11:42 crab Thu Dec  9 17:12:45 2010 debug Mojolicious::Routes:421 [15134]: Dispatching MPL::Auth->check.
11:42 crab Thu Dec  9 17:12:45 2010 debug Mojolicious::Routes:421 [15134]: Dispatching MPL::Home->index.
11:43 crab not enough for you?
11:44 kaare crab: command line switch, or?
11:49 crab that's what i get in my logs in development mode
11:49 crab didn't do anything special
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11:51 kaare I get nothing. Wonder what I am doing wrong.
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11:55 yko as far as i remember, bridge('')->.. wouldn't work. only bridge->...
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11:56 kaare yko: No, it doesn't work. I just wonder if perhaps it should.
11:56 yko kaare: you want to see log at STDOUT?
11:57 kaare Or, more useful, if the bridge documentation included ->bridget-> ...
11:57 kaare yko: yup
11:57 kaare or STDERR
11:57 kaare Just anywhere
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12:17 ysyrota is it possible to specify renderer for route?
12:23 marcus hmm, sammyjs is overwhelming me with choice. Too many templating systems
12:25 marcus ysyrota: 52:    if ($pattern =~ /\.([^\/\)]+)$/) { $self->format($1) }
12:26 marcus so it will get format from url extension
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12:39 koban kaare: set $self->log->path(undef); in your startup sub and logs will be printed in STDOUT
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12:42 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @miyagawa: gugod has this thing called perlrocks which is quite interesting, similarly inspired off of rubygems http://bit.ly/fp6Yuz" --Bkquinn http://twitter.com/Bkquinn​/status/12849449822855168
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13:14 jfuller How difficult would be to lift Mojolicious::Routes for use in another framework built on cgi::simple?
13:14 jfuller I was considering forking CAP::Dispatch, but that is very closely coupled with CAP
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13:38 crab kaare: what are you doing with bridges?
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14:06 kaare crab: Authentication
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14:36 crab kaare: with the built-in signed cookies?
14:38 kaare crab: No, it's currently only a ip-based thing. Very primitive :-)
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15:08 crab i see.
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15:26 Christian cu all
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16:00 crab can i make hypnotoad listen on port 3000 using a commandline option?
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16:12 ajgb I'm getting a weird error in Mojo::Exception
16:12 ajgb http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=F5UfV2xp
16:13 ajgb lines starting with # are mine debug added there
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16:13 ajgb I'm getting similar problem with debugger
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16:16 dotan crab: looks like you can't
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16:17 crab ok, then i'm not missing anything
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16:28 ajgb and it seems to only happen in 60% of test runs
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16:37 dotan ajgb: isn't the problem in Template::Alloy or your code?
16:38 sri my dsl is finally back :)
16:38 ajgb dotan: it looks like T:A returns the error with some weird stuff at the end, chomp'ing it solves the issue, but it's pretty bizarre that regexp still matches it
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16:40 GitHub157 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 5f9361c (2 files in 2 dirs): added growing guide - http://bit.ly/gzWBip
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16:40 sri \o/
16:40 dotan ajgb: regexps match the darndest things
16:41 dotan sri++!
16:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Added growing guide to #mojolicious, enjoy! :) http://bit.ly/fWjWSK #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/12909891266019328
16:45 yko yahoo!
16:45 dotan yko: have you seen the model example?
16:46 yko model example? where?
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16:46 yko and which?
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16:46 yko will back in one hour... or two
16:46 sri you're making a cameo appearance there :)
16:47 dotan yko: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/commit/5f936​1c398f03e37edd3de915f79c1b74a288bec#L2R225
16:47 ajgb sri: typo at lines 211 and 212 (should be MyUsers.pm, not MyUser.pm)
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16:48 yko dotan: nice, but i'm using little bit difficult model
16:48 yko actually, i have base controller for each application, that inherits Mojolicious::Controller and implements...
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16:49 GitHub17 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 5381431 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed typo - http://bit.ly/fDCIPe
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16:49 sri ajgb: thanks, fixed
16:49 yko and there i usually have attribute 'model' that detects model corresponding to controller
16:49 sri timtowtdi
16:50 yko sri sure
16:50 yko i didn't reat that guide yet, must run
16:50 yko but i'm sure it's precious
16:50 yko Mojolicious!
16:51 sri marcus: yea, proxy_to could be a simple helper
16:52 sri gizzlon: looks awesome, screw routes!
16:52 marcus Sri: started writing it already.
16:53 sri it actually depends how spec compliant you want to be
16:53 sri things can get very complicated then
16:53 marcus Wasn't planning on caching anything.
16:54 ajgb sri: lines 356 - shouldn'
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16:54 marcus I just need it to get around xss issues.
16:54 ajgb t it be -1?
16:55 sri marcus: headers need to be rewritten too
16:55 marcus Sri: what did gizzlon do?
16:55 sri you need to check which are end-to-end and which are hop-by-hop
16:55 marcus Sri: yepp.
16:56 sri kaare: i wanted bridge('/')->... to work for quite some time now, never got around to write the tests though, patches welcome :)
16:57 sri marcus: he suggested http://blog.getrailo.com/post.cfm​/fun-with-cfloop-collection-array
16:57 crab marcus: proposed to copy some horrible cold fusion templating/loop syntax
16:58 sri crab: hypnotoad has intentionally pretty much no command line options
16:59 perlrocks Twitter: "It'd razz Mojolicious do not understand the meaning of the source to" (ja) --k_strato http://twitter.com/k_strat​o/status/12914253782585344
16:59 crab sri: i figured
16:59 crab sri: this growing guide is very nice
17:00 sri \o/
17:00 sri command line options and zero downtime don't mix
17:00 crab especially the little section on testing is new to me
17:02 ajgb sri: nice guide, I've just started with mojo and it gave me a good overview
17:02 sri i was a little afraid the examples might be too big
17:02 crab btw, i was wondering. there's no way to set secure=1 on session cookies now, right? but if i'm deploying an https-only app, i should set that, right?
17:03 sri but i wanted to show a useful app
17:03 crab in this specific case, i also control http and in apache redirect every http request to https, so it doesn't matter. but in general...
17:03 sri hmm
17:03 sri no i don't think so
17:03 sri but i wouldn't mind the option i guess
17:03 sri needs tests though
17:03 ajgb yep, having all on one page is good thing - for deeper understanding one can see other parts of guide
17:04 crab why not? don't think it's useful?
17:04 crab or don't think https and http should ever be mixed?
17:04 ajgb if we are talking about cookies - a httponly flag?
17:05 sri don't think we support it yet
17:05 crab oh, i see
17:05 sri httponly could be sensible too
17:05 crab ok, i thought you meant you didn't think it should be set. whew.
17:05 crab ajgb: yes, httponly was going to be my next question :-)
17:06 ajgb crab: I guess that if secure is going to be added, not much more work would be to add httponly :)
17:07 sri less work
17:07 sri httponly could just be there
17:08 sri always set
17:08 crab i agree
17:12 crab sri: i'm thinking about what the secure=1 thing should look like. ->session(secure => 1) seems natural on one hand, but conflates the meaning with actual session variables. $self->secure_session(1)? is there any sensible way mojo could decide by itself whether or not to send it?
17:13 sri crab: not sure
17:14 sri someone needs to investigate that, i would of course prefer a solution that just works
17:15 sri adding more helpers/cotnroller methods is not good though
17:15 crab just works is very much what i'd like too. maybe if we're running under https, we set secure=1, but then it seems that someone is likely to complain, and a knob to turn it off will be needed.
17:16 crab otoh, if you're sending a session cookie via https, every security guide will tell you not to send the same thing by http too
17:22 kaare sri: Shouldn't the repository protocol be git instead of http (in Makefile.PL)
17:22 kaare ?
17:23 sri kaare: http://search.cpan.org/~kr​aih/Mojolicious-0.999950/ # it's shown as a link here
17:24 crab makes sense, though it's a pity it's not directly clonable
17:24 ajgb http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/KR​AIH/Mojolicious-0.999950/META.yml
17:24 ajgb there is http one
17:25 sri thats the point
17:25 sri i'd rather have a working link on search.cpan
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17:27 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Added growing guide to #mojolicious, enjoy! :) http://bit.ly/fWjWSK #perl" --j3nnn1 http://twitter.com/j3nnn1/status/12921357285203968
17:28 kaare heh, I just replaced http with git for cloning.
17:28 kaare I failed to see it was github.
17:28 * kaare is sleepy
17:30 ajgb sri: if you use META.json, cpan will add website link
17:31 ajgb so you could have both clonable git and http link
17:35 ajgb MojoX-Renderer-Alloy seems to pass tests - I'll release it tonight :)
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17:40 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-GroupedParams 0.01 by Ivan Sokolov - http://frepan.64p.org/ ~ ivsokolov/Mojolicious-Plugin-GroupedParams-0.01 /" (cs) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/12924620810223616
17:59 josh is it possible to combine 'extends' and 'layout' in templates?
18:00 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Added growing guide to #mojolicious, enjoy! :) http://bit.ly/fWjWSK #perl" --dotandimet http://twitter.com/dotandim​et/status/12929510320119808
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18:05 josh it looks like 'no'
18:10 sri nope, they are basically the same
18:10 josh so, better to just include the parts i need then
18:13 perlrocks Twitter: "In that, Mojolicious:: Lite confirm the operation of the end. I could also make the test form in 1 hour if you hang it in the morning ..." (ja) --chiastolite http://twitter.com/chiastoli​te/status/12932813128994816
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18:17 crab these japanese perl hackers must lead very interesting lives.
18:23 sri hang the test in the morning!
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18:29 GitHub46 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 8c5a436 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed more typos - http://bit.ly/icDJ2a
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18:38 sri can somebody replicate this? http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report​/fe4349f6-0221-11e0-806b-a6db23310e15
18:39 sri is there a problem with 5.12.1 mybe?
18:39 sri *+a
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19:02 tempire_ This growing guide is exactly what mojo needed.
19:02 tempire_ awesome.
19:02 sri :)
19:02 tempire_ I wish I would have had this a year ago.
19:07 tempire_ I'm glad I didn't wait, though.  mojo is slowly making it's way into the hearts of my peers.
19:07 tempire_ they don't like change, though.  so veeeerrry slowly.
19:08 josh what were they using before, then?
19:08 sri many perl programmers seem to have problems with change
19:09 sri could be the heavy C influence
19:09 josh sri, thats the flip-side of TMTOWTDI
19:09 josh there are so many ways to do it... but my way is the correct one
19:10 sri actually it would make more sense for timtowtdi to speed up adoption rates for new technologies
19:10 josh well, in my experience at least, once you give people choice they will want defend their choice -- even in the face of rational opposition
19:11 sri good point
19:11 josh personally, i love browsing cpan for the latest and greatest... but i dont think thats a general rule
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19:15 sri time to give mojolicious a new face :)
19:16 sri last point on my 1.0 todo list are the not_found and exception templates
19:17 sri exceptions should be fun :D
19:17 josh while youre working on exceptions... :)
19:17 sri gonna make "die 'lulz';" a popular debugging tool
19:18 josh is there any way to get an exception raised inside an include'd template to propagate upward?
19:18 josh ^ exactly for that reason, actually
19:18 sri die Mojo::Exception->new?
19:19 sri or do you mean from inside the template?
19:19 josh yeah from inside
19:19 sri die
19:19 josh eg % die "oops
19:19 sri should just work
19:20 josh well, it does work. but i just get a blank page in the browser, and the details to the log
19:20 sri mojo version?
19:20 crab is this a lite app?
19:20 josh whereas a top-level template that die's will output in the browser, like normal
19:20 sri latest version has built in exception template
19:20 sri hmm
19:21 sri let me check
19:21 josh not lite, no. latest release version
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19:23 sri that mightbe fixable
19:24 josh oh apparently the blank response is due to my blank template ;) but the include'd template's exception still doesnt get rendered
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19:24 sri actually i think it gets double rendered
19:25 sri exception gets rendered fine, but the real template overrides it
19:25 josh i cant eval { include "failing_template" } either, but thats not really such a big deal
19:25 josh oh interesting
19:25 sri that migth actually be my fault :S
19:25 sri think i broke that last release
19:25 josh maybe if the include helper checks for stash->{exception} it could short-circuit
19:26 josh ooh look at that heh
19:27 sri something like that ye
19:29 crab sri: does mojo identify a route and then evaluate the bridges on the way there, or does it evaluate them while searching the tree and just not even look at any routes behind a failed bridge?
19:29 crab i'm guessing the former, or related.
19:30 sri first
19:30 crab yeah. thanks then.
19:30 sri conditions are evaluated while searching
19:33 sri damn, yea i broke include exceptions :(
19:34 crab twenty lashes!
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19:34 josh aww we still love you
19:35 * sri needs a hug
19:35 josh come here big guy!
19:35 sri \o/
19:36 sri how weird, the fix doesn't break any tests
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19:43 sri much easier to fix than expected
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19:43 josh wee :D thanks
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19:44 GitHub36 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 6e74737 (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed exception handling for included templates - http://bit.ly/hJ4PMi
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21:12 MojoGuest895 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (88 hits)
21:12 rhaen ola!
21:12 rhaen Mojo is sooo cool!
21:12 * rhaen hugs sri
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21:16 rhaen I willmake a mojo shirt for me
21:20 sri \o/
21:21 sri i need to make a cool perl t-shirt too
21:21 sri like amelia with skulls on its wings or so :)
21:26 rhaen hm.
21:26 rhaen na, well.
21:26 rhaen hm.
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21:36 sri hm.
21:36 janus skills with amelia on its ... something
21:37 janus s,i,u, # but not me
21:37 rhaen :)
21:37 sri just give me your skull
21:46 perlrocks Twitter: "RT: @kraih: Added growing guide to #mojolicious, enjoy! :) http://bit.ly/fWjWSK #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/12986427994284032
21:52 marcus Sri: really, no setup needed for sessions... Then why is it always crying about needing a secrey?
21:52 marcus Secret...
21:52 sri psssssst
21:54 * marcus feel asleep while putting $daughter to bed :/ no evening coding for me tonight.
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22:01 janus heh
22:01 janus i just showed mine how to switch and close windows in firefox :>
22:01 janus ... so i can hack :P
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22:02 GitHub183 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * c005b5a (2 files in 2 dirs): explain the Mojolicious secret - http://bit.ly/gb8IBB
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22:02 sri marcus: fixed :)
22:03 marcus Sri++
22:03 marcus Damn, I so miss purl in here.
22:03 sri :,(
22:04 sri purl...my one true love
22:11 rhaen curl?
22:11 rhaen :)
22:11 sri puuuuuuuurl!
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23:10 MojoGuest455 From: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&source=web&amp​;cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCAQFjAB&url=http%3​A%2F%2Fdev.xantus.org%2F&rct=j&q=html5%2​0irc%20client&ei=zmEBTcPQA82gOtaDpKYB&us​g=AFQjCNGw6nZv0wO42uzUnHhWcD0vcKNULg&cad=rja (1 hits)
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23:16 perlrocks Twitter: "Almost ready for #mojolicious 1.0, just some design work left. :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/13009224288178176
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