Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-12-15

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00:04 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious - Web framework for Perl http://www.findbestopensour​ce.com/product/mojolicious # opensource" (id) --bestopensource http://twitter.com/bestopenso​urce/status/14833094959833088
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02:46 sri und3f[A]: could you please report bugs properly? you know... like include any kind of description...
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03:28 GitHub22 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 6badccd (2 files in 2 dirs): improved tls exception handling - http://bit.ly/gI0tM8
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03:53 GitHub61 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * be7d749 (1 files in 1 dirs): improved tls exception handling again - http://bit.ly/hcbgfE
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03:53 crab hi.
03:53 sri moin
03:56 polvo has anyone seen a module to visualize json in html ?
03:56 crab what does that mean?
03:57 polvo crab, like http://json.bloople.net/
03:57 crab hmm
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03:59 sri seems rather stupid
03:59 sri json doesn't map well to tables
04:00 polvo sri, lists would be enough
04:00 sri umm, thats like a oneliner
04:01 polvo sri, ?
04:01 sri json -> perl -> inline template
04:03 polvo sri, and what do you mean by an inline template?
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04:04 tempire polvo: there's also browser plugins to display pretty-printed json.
04:05 sri ->render(inline => '<%  ...%>', data => $data);
04:05 sri i don't think he wants pretty printed json
04:05 sri but he's damn hard to understand :S
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04:12 polvo sri, i just want a simple json editor to modify existing data
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04:33 polvo never mind that, i've found a jquery plugin which will be enough
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04:45 josh sri, how hard would multi-line <%= %> be?
04:46 josh ive been reading M::Template to try to figure out how to patch it.. but :X i havent gotten my head wrapped around it all yet
04:48 sri josh: dunno, could be a small bug or extremely hard
04:48 sri don't remember if it was intentional
04:49 josh hehe
04:50 josh why do i have a feeling 'extremely hard' is more likely
04:50 josh i'll keep reading the source
04:50 sri i tend towards small bug atm
04:50 sri since multiline <% %> works
04:53 sri yea it's a bug
04:53 sri i see multiline expression specific code
04:53 josh theres multiline <% %>
04:54 sri it's prolly the perl buildng code thats bugged
04:54 sri not the tokenizer
04:56 josh yeah thats the part i have trouble following
04:57 josh your regexes are actually very easy to read
04:57 sri oh weird
04:57 sri there's a test that passes
04:58 josh hm.. i did <%= "hello" . \n "world"; %> and got an exception
04:58 sri same here
04:58 sri it is a bug
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05:01 josh hmm oops lol
05:17 sri hmm, it's really really hard
05:17 josh i totally called that one
05:17 sri problem is the autmatically appended ";"
05:17 sri *+0
05:18 josh hm
05:19 josh does the ast record if the end token is there?
05:19 sri no
05:24 josh how about a backslash at the end of the line? :x
05:24 josh i guess thats pretty hideous though
05:25 sri no workarounds
05:25 sri proper solution or nothing
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05:26 crab yeah, if it can't be fixed properly you can always do <% ....; $x = blah; %> ... <%= $x %>
05:26 josh yeah thats what ive been doing
05:26 sri it can be fixed, but requires a lot of work
05:26 crab do you really think it's worthwhile?
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05:51 sri oh, actually it wasn't that hard
05:51 sri code got simpler
05:51 josh lol wooo
05:52 * josh gives sri a backrub
05:52 * sri would prefer a breakfast
05:53 josh how do you take your coffee?
05:53 josh i'll make you some of my world-famous french toast
05:53 sri with rum!
05:54 josh haha you got it
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05:58 crab french toast or french roast?
05:58 crab i made some french toast for breakfast today
05:58 josh Toast
05:59 josh coffee i do costa rican style
05:59 josh made in a chorreador
06:00 josh but with french toast, i might add some chicory
06:00 josh flavours combine well
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06:07 GitHub197 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 0ef963d (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed support for multiline expressions in Mojo::Template - http://bit.ly/iaezSs
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06:08 sri now using an empty text token to hint at the end of the expression
06:09 josh fantastic!
06:09 * josh tops up your rum coffee
06:09 sri *slurp*
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06:29 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious can't render using Template Toolkit? Are you serious? Shall I fall back to Dancer? #Perl" --bureado http://twitter.com/bureado​/status/14929905498193920
06:29 sri sounds like a trap
06:29 josh sounds like a crank
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06:31 sri my poisonous user sensor is tingling
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07:21 und3f hi
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07:27 su-bzero Hello.
07:29 yko пыщь, my deer friend :DD
07:29 su-bzero .))
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07:31 Christian morning
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08:05 rhaen moins!
08:06 rhaen deer friend - muhhaaaaahahahaa
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08:25 su-bzero ;)
08:34 sri deer friend with a red nose?
08:39 marcus need more raindeer
08:48 crab wait, i thought there was a TT renderer for mojolicious
08:48 sri of course there is
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08:50 sri but i'd rather not encourage poisonous users ;)
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08:56 sri i kinda like mustache, but hate it at the same time :S
09:00 sri (http://mustache.github.com/mustache.5.html)
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09:02 sri logic-less is a bit of a lie though
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09:19 MojoGuest252 wow!
09:19 MojoGuest252 This really works! :)
09:19 sri no it doesn't
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09:19 Rhaen_ it does!
09:20 Rhaen_ I have tested it.
09:20 moritz this is all just an illusion
09:20 Rhaen_ ah. Hm.
09:20 moritz that somebody injected into your intertubes
09:20 Rhaen_ Guess this will be my chat client at work :)
09:20 Rhaen_ cool! :)
09:20 Rhaen_ it feels so 5.9
09:20 Rhaen_ err 5.0
09:21 moritz perl 5.0?
09:21 moritz *SCNR*
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09:24 szasenko Morning
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10:47 moritz next year you should send a mojolicious team to the plat_forms contest
10:48 sri sure, feel free to organize it :)
10:49 * moritz will keep his eyes open
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11:00 yko Mojolicious!
11:01 DaTa moritz: if it is held next year :)
11:02 DaTa s/held/taking place/
11:03 moritz s/next year/next occurrence/
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11:14 perlrocks Twitter: "Marcus Ramberg / Mojolicious-Plugin-Proxy-0.1 - search.cpan.org: Marcus Ramberg > Mojolicious-Plugin-Proxy-0.1 ... Mo...  http://proxy.ac" --johnsanday http://twitter.com/johnsand​ay/status/15001802441236480
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12:08 sri oh, here's a good linus quote... "Talk is cheap. Show me the code."
12:11 sri http://www.junauza.com/2010/12/top-50​-programming-quotes-of-all-time.html
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13:03 perlrocks Twitter: "Got my first ep template working in my #mojolicious blog engine." --ericrost http://twitter.com/ericros​t/status/15029075672309762
13:11 yko How do i get client's ip in action?
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13:18 yko $c->tx->remote_address
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15:35 sri think i have found the right style for the not_found page :)
15:36 moritz copied from the IE 4.0 404 message? :-)
15:38 sri got me :S
15:38 yko you are reached end of internet? :)
15:39 moritz in sovjet russia, end of internet reaches you!
15:48 und3f sri, found another tls bug
15:48 und3f sri, http://pastebin.ca/2020408
15:48 und3f sri, if you write random data to tls  socket and drop connection - it will load cpu 100%
15:53 und3f sri, i reported about similar bug long time ago
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16:04 sri und3f: IO::Socket::SSL is very hard to work with, there will always be bugs
16:12 und3f but will you try to fix them?
16:12 sri possibly
16:13 und3f All mojolicious servers thats uses HTTPS are valuable to DDOS :P
16:13 sri valuable? Oo
16:14 und3f sri, you can easly load CPU of remote servers
16:14 und3f isn't that a valuable?
16:14 sri not at all
16:14 und3f what is it?
16:14 und3f feature?
16:15 sri vulnerable
16:15 und3f my eanglush :(
16:15 * und3f cries
16:15 und3f *english
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16:19 und3f sri, i spent about half of month to find a bug that i reported yesterday.. and all that time i had frozen new features for check-host :(
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16:20 GitHub157 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 91dae82 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed small tls problem - http://bit.ly/e9zV1h
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16:21 sri you know, you are allowed to fix bugs too
16:21 und3f Am i allowed to create bugs? :P
16:21 sri absolutely now
16:21 sri *t
16:22 und3f sri, you are monopolist!!!
16:22 sri this is actually a meritocracy
16:23 * yko votes for pornocracy
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16:23 * und3f votes for januariecy
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16:24 sri back in the catalyst days i thought the council system would work best... well... it didn't
16:26 sko und3f: Absolutely now! Now you are allowed to created big black bugs!
16:27 und3f \o/
16:28 sri "They don't make bugs like Bunny anymore."
16:28 sko I understand Catalyst is full of ideas of so many people, so it's so fat, so fat.
16:28 sri actually not
16:29 sri catalyst core should be very small, it got fat for no reason at all
16:29 sri it does nothing by itself
16:29 marty It will be interesting to see how the meritocracy works.  Personally, I prefer it over the council approach.  Only time will tell.  :)
16:30 und3f only sri will tell. Others just listen.
16:30 und3f Its meritocracy, baby :P
16:31 sko What we should when sri will go out from the physical world? We should takeover mojo quickly!
16:31 marty I think it works especially well if there is a clear distinction between merits.  So that "great ideas" can be sand-boxed into their own space.
16:31 sri ideally some of you would slowly take over parts of mojolicious already
16:32 und3f sri, do you have a successor?
16:32 sri meritocracy means many successors
16:32 sri people take over the parts they know best
16:32 und3f will we fight for a power?
16:33 sri exactly
16:33 * sko sings "I've got the power"
16:33 marty sri: :)
16:33 sri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy
16:33 sri it basically means if you are the best to do something you do it
16:34 sri so if you for example have a gazillion patches in Mojo::DOM it is yours
16:36 sko Hm... sri has all appointments.
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16:37 sri thats the advantage of being the first ;p
16:37 marty Advantage?  Or burden?  :)
16:37 und3f sri, i have a lot of reports and some patches for IOLoop
16:37 und3f sri, is it mine?
16:37 sko ;)
16:37 und3f sri, can i remove it?
16:37 und3f from mojo :P
16:38 sko und3f: Yeah, IOLoop master!
16:38 sko ;)))
16:38 sri und3f: that question just disqualified you! ;p
16:38 und3f :(
16:38 und3f :~(
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16:39 sri once you fix more bugs than you report we can talk about it ;)
16:40 sko Or you could pay for additional points!
16:40 und3f about removing it?
16:40 sri brilliant idea!
16:40 und3f :P
16:40 sko Suggest $500 for maintaining Mojo::DOM
16:41 und3f actually i have so much troubles with ioloop that i don't want to use it directly anymore
16:41 kk0 Hi all! Tiny question: trying to install the BasicAuth plugin, but it fails some tests. Is it my setup or the plugin needs to get up to speed?
16:41 sri you better ask the author
16:42 kk0 Yes, i will indeed, just wondering if anyone else was using it and had success.
16:43 sko und3f: Why blekko.com doesn't use Mojo?
16:43 * sri pokes tempire
16:43 * kk0 thanks sri
16:43 und3f sko, because there are some bugs in work with tls  in IOLoop :P
16:44 sko und3f: Yes. They found it and didn't tell sri about it.
16:46 und3f bastards
16:46 * sri hates tls in perl
16:47 sri those damn xs modules cause so much trouble
16:48 sri we so need a good libffi binding
16:49 moritz didn't rurban have a gsoc project for libffi?
16:49 sri nope doubi did
16:49 sri ctypes port
16:50 sri pretty much dead now :(
16:50 sri there have been many attempts, but nobody has gone all the way so far
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18:17 josh are there any docs on doing comet/long polling in mojo? i thought i read about it but now i cant find it
18:17 tempire_ kko: what's the problem?
18:18 kk0 Hello
18:18 tempire_ plugin installs ok here.
18:19 kk0 Is there something broken on my end?
18:19 tempire_ pastie.org the make test output
18:19 tempire_ also, what's your platform & perl version?
18:20 kk0 Here is the output: http://pastie.org/1380184
18:21 kk0 Win7 64bit, Strawberry Perl 5.12.1
18:21 tempire_ windoes!
18:21 kk0 :(
18:21 tempire_ mojolicious version?
18:22 tempire_ pastie the output of 'mojo version'
18:22 kk0 0.999950
18:22 sri josh: there's a long polling test with lots of examples
18:22 josh oh nice, thanks!
18:24 sri you basically just use ->write and ->write_chunk instead of ->render
18:25 josh ooh ok
18:25 tempire_ hmm.  seems it fails compile with .999950
18:25 tempire_ I'll take a look and fix it kk0, but it's going to have to wait for a couple of hours
18:26 kk0 That would be great! I am not in a hurry either... ;)
18:28 kk0 Unrelated to the plugin: Can i use add_condition to check for 'format'? I am not able to work this out.
18:43 kk0 Should i just check $captures inside the condition sub and apply some regexp to that? Hmm..
18:46 perlrocks Twitter: "@ Wagner_n FUD! It looks like encrypted code by chance: http://perldancer.org/ or http://mojolicious.org/?" (pt) --nilsonsfj http://twitter.com/nilsonsf​j/status/15115543749070848
18:49 sri kk0: yes
18:49 sri in case you want to do that on the routes layer
18:51 kk0 Okay, seems good then.
18:52 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih Re: embedding #perl into #mojolicious templates -- it looks like #Mason, basically." --phillipadsmith http://twitter.com/phillipads​mith/status/15117098569179136
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19:59 yko smoky cloud logo and fawicon can stand for developer (github) version and fluffy white cloud can stand for cpan stable release :)
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20:00 yko but it would a headache to switch logos before/after each cpan release, ye
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20:17 tempire_ yko, you're the author of the mojo vim syntax, right?
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20:35 josh hmm ok i have a route('/:controller/:action'), and a /public/index.html static file... when i GET / i get a 404 (i figure because of the route)
20:36 josh is there some way to make a route to a static file?
20:36 josh or can i do $r->route('/')->to('/index.html') ?
20:40 und3f josh, just don't hold it that way (c)
20:40 josh hm?
20:43 und3f josh, you can use render_static in one your action
20:43 josh well i was hoping to not have to go through a controller, and just route directly to the static file
20:45 und3f josh, just don't use wildcard routes
20:46 josh :| yeah
20:49 josh hm actually now that im playing with it, i cant seem to get it to load the static file at all... i removed all my routes to test :x
20:53 josh i guess i'm going to do $r->route('/')->to(controller => 'root', action => 'index')
20:54 josh and just have the controller call render_static like yous aid
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21:01 john so... i am trying to use a begin/end content block, by doing <%= content script_blocks => being %> ... <% end %> and i keep getting Bareword "begin" not allowed while "strict subs" in use template line 1.
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21:02 ash_ am i doing the begin/end block wrong?
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21:05 kk0 Not an expert, but: content is a helper and begin is a variable.
21:06 ash_ http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/Mojo​licious-0.999950/lib/Mojolicious/G​uides/Rendering.pod#Content_Blocks is what i was basically copying
21:08 kk0 Since begin is a variable, it should be written like one: $begin
21:09 kk0 But of course you are talking about a block construct, so disregard me.
21:15 sri ash_: that error usually means your mojolicious is very old
21:15 ash_ hmm, okay, i used cpan to install it, should i work with the git version?
21:16 sri cpan should work too
21:17 ash_ i am using 0.999926 right now
21:19 sri thats not cpan
21:19 sri it's from over half a year ago
21:19 sri like 50 releases back
21:20 sri pretty much nothign in the documentation works there
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21:21 ash__ cpan just installed .0999950
21:21 ash__ which seems to be the most recent cpan version
21:21 ash__ and my wifi just blipped again, :-( stupid new router drops my connection every hour it seems, anyway, thanks
21:22 stephan48 install from git
21:22 stephan48 cpan is somewhat old
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21:22 stephan48 install from git
21:22 stephan48 cpan is somewhat old
21:23 marcus motherblippin' router
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21:23 sri gonna commit the new not_found template in a few mins :)
21:24 ash_ anyone know why a new (like 2 weeks old) linksys router would drop my connection every so oftern
21:24 ash_ it just did it again :-(
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21:34 GitHub82 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a953929 (5 files in 3 dirs): added new not_found template - http://bit.ly/hOO3sv
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21:35 sri it's not finished yet, but you get the idea :)
21:37 josh haha cute
21:37 marcus ameeelia!
21:39 marcus sri: Very nice start.
21:39 sri :)
21:39 marcus x marks the spot!
21:40 jdixon got a screenshot?
21:40 sri not screenshotable
21:41 marcus jdixon: install trunk a make a new lite app
21:42 sri or just download trunk
21:43 und3f sri, cat exception and not found template looks right in firefox 3?
21:43 und3f i got problems with font
21:43 und3f on 2 machines
21:43 und3f it is a little bit unreadable
21:44 sri cat exception?
21:44 und3f *can
21:44 sri no, firefox 4
21:45 und3f :(((
21:45 sri dude...seriously
21:46 und3f possible it will work in chromium
21:46 sri no web developer with self esteem would use a non html5 browser during development these days
21:46 sri it works in all modern browsers
21:46 und3f but ff4 is in beta
21:46 sri so?
21:46 und3f so i don't wont to compile it yet :P
21:47 sri ff4 has the chrome self update feature, so beta is a thing of the past anyway
21:47 und3f em... self upgrade?
21:47 und3f i am using gentoo
21:48 sri your fault
21:48 und3f Nothing can be self upgraded here
21:48 ash_ sudo emerge apt-get && apt-get install chromium
21:48 sri just don't expect other people to use legacy technology just because you're too lazy to recompile regularly ;p
21:50 und3f sri, just wanted to ask. I need to use other exception template for production, can i fallback to your new exception template in development mode?
21:50 und3f or i need to copy-paste it?
21:50 sri that question made no sense
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22:24 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ kraih: This is how the new # mojolicious welcome page starts (it is thus the 404 in development mode). :) Http://twitpic.com/3g8z3x/f ..." (de) --SaschaDroste http://twitter.com/SaschaDro​ste/status/15170433364000768
22:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Testing #mojolicious now." --ficovh http://twitter.com/ficovh/status/15170530336309248
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