Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

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06:28 omega hms, I get one failing test on latest cpan-release?
06:28 omega https://gist.github.com/933f5ac1e0acf958fc97
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06:34 omega it seems to be lite_app.t that fails
06:34 marcus yay
06:34 marcus http://www.slideshare.net/category/technology - my mojolicious talk is featured.
06:34 marcus too bad slideshare fucks it up so much.
06:36 crab what is -Ofun?
06:36 marcus optimized for fun
06:36 marcus is's a perl6ism
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06:51 zipkid sri: those pinstripes DO make the code look good indeed :-)
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07:17 zipkid sri: i restarted my laptop after 26 days uptime... Now the '/' in the urls work fine :-) Sorry for the confusion!
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09:44 sri omega: nothing related to that test changed
09:48 zipkid Morning sri
09:48 zipkid saw my comment about the '/' ?
09:48 sri moin
09:48 sri zipkid: yea
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12:05 sri http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/12/20/045​9240/RubyGems-Module-Count-Soon-To-Surpass-CPANs # damn
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12:10 marcus shit
12:10 marcus ok, I'm switching to ruby!#$%!$#!
12:12 yko if not count CPAN mudules that wasn't updated last 10-12 years, situation is even worse :\
12:14 marcus uhm
12:14 marcus Displaying gems 1 - 30 of 1265 in total
12:14 marcus http://rubygems.org/gems
12:14 marcus are they counting all versions?
12:14 yko that's for 'A'
12:14 marcus ah
12:14 yko ye, confusing a bit
12:16 perlrocks Twitter: "Love how #perl code looks in the #mojolicious perldoc browser with the new pinstripe background. http://twitpic.com/3hqifa/full" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/16829388767105024
12:20 yko sri: maybe it's even better to make routes/urls like /perldoc/Mojolicious/Lite#SYNOPSYS
12:20 sri a lot of effort for little value
12:21 sri since we need to support perldoc?Mojolicious::Lite too
12:21 yko ok :)
12:21 yko oh... then yes...
12:21 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Love how #perl code looks in the #mojolicious perldoc browser with the new pinstripe background. http://twitpic.com/3hqifa/full" --zipkid http://twitter.com/zipkid/status/16830579731333120
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12:58 marcus hmm
12:58 marcus curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - http://lastest.mojolicio.us/ fails for me
12:58 marcus says tar: Unrecognized archive format: Inappropriate file type or format
12:58 zipkid gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
12:58 marcus doh, lastest
12:59 marcus guess sri has a * ns record set up
12:59 zipkid worked for me yesterday, today error indeed.
12:59 marcus no, I misspelled
12:59 marcus should be latest, not lastest
12:59 zipkid ow... lol
13:00 sri lastest lol
13:00 zipkid no more versions after the 'lastest' :-)
13:00 marcus sri: I blame you for not getting a 'host not found' :p
13:01 * sri slaps marcus with a dictionary
13:02 sri shame on you for not having it on a shell alias already!
13:02 * marcus slaps sri with a large trout
13:02 marcus I usually install from my git checkout
13:05 sri the whole ruby situation is weird
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13:06 sri people mostly use it as a toy language but do real world stuff in python
13:06 zipkid And what do the mere numbers tell.... only that, but nothing about the quality...
13:07 sri it's about community size
13:08 marty Tim Bunce has a nice slide show debunking some Perl myths.  (it's how I found Mojo)
13:09 kvorg link, pic or it does not exist
13:10 sri while there are a lot of myths it is a fact that we have problems reaching the younger generations
13:10 marty Absolutely correct.
13:11 sri i don't think it has to be that way
13:11 sri oneliners are extremely hip
13:11 zipkid It is true, Each time you mention developing in perl, ppl look at you like your a dinosaur and should have been extinct...
13:11 kvorg i think there are two classes of reasons for this:
13:11 sri perl hacks are hip
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13:12 marty http://blog.timbunce.org/2008/03/08/perl-myths/
13:12 kvorg perl documentation and parts of syntax are designed to resonante with what one knows about unix, shell, awk, sed etc ... all the old details that are there in perl, just better. but the young generation has no knowledge of that.
13:13 kvorg and the second one: while all new features and some new usage patterns can be found in the pod documentation one gets with perl, the examples are still very much what u find in the camel book, perl~5.005
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13:14 kvorg there were also other problems, such as years of public image goint in the parrot/p6 way and obscuring p5 or even defining it as dead, RedHat shipping a horrible install of perl with some strange slowness in object instantiation, and a strange psychisis in the community itslef
13:14 marty my crystal ball says that perl6, on top of parrot, will slowly start to gain momentum over the never few years.
13:15 kvorg well, i hope it gains momentum in some speed and completeness of implementation sense first, but that is not the issue. it took bloody long, and there was too mzuch bad blood. i still miss dan stugalski's posts on parrot develpment.
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13:18 sri if we've learned something from perl6 it is "never rewrite from scratch"
13:18 kvorg sorry, sugalski, not stugalski, of  course (last parrot related post: http://www.sidhe.org/~dan/b​log/archives/2005_10.html)
13:19 kvorg good point. also, was there not a completely unuses attempt to rewrite perl5 in c++ and make it more embeddable somewhere along the way just before parrot? that must have been ... exciting too.
13:19 kvorg sri: 0_o
13:20 kvorg but but you rewrote the web framework at least 3 times!!!
13:20 sri but i never promised anything in advance ;p
13:20 sri failure is always an option
13:23 sri perl5 rewritten like PyPy or Rubinius would have been awesome
13:23 sri easy to move forward from there
13:25 kvorg yep, parrot was perhaps a bit of an overreach
13:25 kvorg good 1st of april joke, though
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13:48 perlrocks Twitter: "perl scraping to gather information on the mojo, and I feel that codeigniter the php is called the best value for money display. I have not written recently. . . A meet." (ja) --yasuhiko http://twitter.com/yasuhik​o/status/16852512782946305
13:48 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ yasuhiko: perl mojo of information to be collected by scraping in php codeigniter I feel that the cost is called the best view. I have not written recently. . . A meet." (ja) --AE_PerlIsm http://twitter.com/AE_PerlI​sm/status/16852513596641283
13:50 perlrocks Twitter: "RT! Yasuhiko: perl mojo of information to be collected by scraping in php codeigniter I feel that the cost is called the best view. I have not written recently. . . A meet." (ja) --perlism http://twitter.com/perlism​/status/16852836784537600
13:56 forwardever sri: package Mojo::Command; line 253: return return Mojo::Server->new->app ... is that a typo?
13:57 sri forwardever: yes, thanks
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14:03 kvorg sri: a recipe for hypnotoad with logrotate would be nice, sooner or later this will be one of the common questions on the channel
14:05 sri atm logrotate is a zero downtime restart too
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14:19 marty What's the best way to abbreviate class names?....   Currently I am using:         use abbreviation qw(Very::Long::ClassName::Here);  any suggestions?
14:20 sri why would you use class names often enough for taht in the first place?
14:21 marty Ahhh, good point.  Lemme rethink that.   :)
14:21 sri :)
14:21 yko marty: sometimes i use __PACKAGE__->attr(model => 'MyApp::Model::Modelname'); but you'd better listen to sri :)
14:22 sri we do that in Mojolicious too for controller_class
14:22 sri but only for parts that are commonly reconfigured
14:22 sri json_class, dom_class
14:23 yko being frank, i just have sub 'model' in base Controller class that auto-detects corresponding model name and preloads it if needed :D
14:24 sri oh noes!
14:24 yko those examlpe above is simplified
14:24 sri that sounds like catalyst
14:24 yko sri, yeees, i do! :p
14:25 yko $c->model->find(id => 42); or $c->model('foo')->create(bar => 'baz');
14:25 yko sound for me much better than MyApp::Model::Foo->...
14:26 kvorg sri: i gathered that about log rotate here 2 days ago, but figured that it would be a nice thing to have in writing, so that developer/admin iteration is smoother. Anyway, am about to start deplaying several apps, so perhas i can do that once i get so far.
14:27 sri kvorg: i'm still a little undecided if it is the right design
14:27 kvorg then i will make a mental note and prod you after a while of if you give sign of a different design
14:28 kvorg no rush, this is not part of the api, i guess that can be changed after some more ht deployments are done, no?
14:28 sri ye
14:28 sri so far i only see advantages though
14:29 kvorg me too, and no additional logic to take care of
14:29 kvorg but we need a real sysadmin to poke a hole in that. i think i know just the guy, loves bsd and ruby :-P
14:30 sri reminds me that i wanted to redirect STDERR into the logfile
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15:03 sri not unlike the ones for nginx
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16:31 zipkid bad idea crab ...
16:32 sri really, what were you thinking!
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16:38 MojoGuest384 test
16:38 MojoGuest384 :)
16:39 MojoGuest384 /help
16:39 MojoGuest384 lol
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16:57 * zipkid fighting with the route -> bridge flow of events and flash / stash / session use...
16:58 zipkid Can i test that in Lite?
17:06 yko 'under' stands for bridge in Lite. not the same though. reffer to Lite docs
17:07 zipkid is there a 'flow' documentation? I see wierd things...?
17:10 zipkid The Growing doc does not use Bridge for the login check... makes it cumbersome to put the check in each page....
17:14 spleenjack sri: a few hours ago find out that exceptions sometimes appears in the log as 'Exception!' string and hides real die-string. i'm not sure but the reason is in the mojo::exception::throw. thats two lines '$e->_detect(@_); die $e' must be on single line 'die $e->_detect' because detect-sub returning message immediatly if it looks like mojo::exception. and i don't know how write the test. does it make sense?
17:14 sri zipkid: see, that happens when you don't follow the intended flow
17:15 sri normally you would have learned about under in the lite tutorial
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17:19 sri spleenjack: hmm
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17:19 sri spleenjack: you don't have a test case?
17:21 sri spleenjack: well, the code gets shorter, so i can make the change anyway, but without a test there are no guarantees it won't break again
17:21 spleenjack no. i'd just thinking you will admit and fix it :)
17:21 sri it will likely break again
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17:25 spleenjack sri: thanks. i'm trying to make the test
17:26 sri that would be nice
17:31 spleenjack hooray, it seems i'm on the right way
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18:00 spleenjack sri: http://pastebin.com/SBJqy17t
18:00 spleenjack the problem appears if doing die in eval
18:03 janus wheeee, the perldoc stuff is nice
18:03 janus one item less on my todo list without doing anything ;)
18:06 marcus Ooh neat, perlbal has documentation now http://goo.gl/u9lLE
18:09 janus one thing (test and stupid fix) though: https://gist.github.com/748732
18:10 janus the path to pod locations aren't in @INC
18:12 janus also some inline links aren't working - no diagnosis or patch for that one yet
18:21 sri spleenjack: doesn't seem to trigger it
18:23 sri spleenjack: the die $@ needs to be on a different line
18:26 spleenjack sri: sorry, i don't understand
18:27 spleenjack the last test is failed on the previous revision of mojo
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18:30 sri janus: whats /pods?
18:30 janus sri: the stupid fix... that's just the subdir on osx that contains the perl.* pod files
18:30 sri ah
18:31 janus i am still looking how perldoc does it
18:31 yko windows - the same
18:31 sri anyone know if thats cross platform?
18:31 janus it isn't, already checked
18:34 yko janus: did you mean Pod::Perldoc lines 1706-1717 ?
18:35 spleenjack sri: sweeeeeet. thanks
18:35 janus if my browser only had line numbers... but maybe *g*
18:35 yko just search for "/pods" :)
18:36 janus ah, nice :)
18:36 janus that's it
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18:37 janus for me, /pod is missing
18:37 yko hehe, 'pods' was 'pod' in older perl, like 5.8
18:37 sri os?
18:38 yko but since we are going to require 5.10, we can just forget ir :D
18:38 janus This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for amd64-openbsd
18:38 sri is perldoc in its own package?
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18:38 janus nah, comes with base perl
18:38 spleenjack pah, tt-renderer has failure again
18:44 spleenjack exactly. using of deprecated controller::helper method
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18:57 sri spleenjack: $c->helper was recently removed since its deprecation period ran out
18:59 spleenjack yep. but plugins' authors have lag behind life)
19:00 janus !twitter showed the perldoc plugin to some #perl hackers today... TIMTOWTDI reactions, but nothing is as easy and nice as it now is with #mojolicious !
19:00 sri you meant !tweet
19:00 janus darn
19:00 janus !tweet showed the perldoc plugin to some #perl hackers today... TIMTOWTDI reactions, but nothing is as easy and nice as it now is with #mojolicious !
19:00 perlrocks janus: http://twitter.com/perlrock​s/status/16931028631293952
19:02 janus wtf, truncated?! misses the whole point
19:03 sri lol
19:03 janus !tweet showed the #mojolicious perldoc plugin to some #perl hackers today... TIMTOWTDI reactions, but nothing is as easy and nice!
19:03 perlrocks Twitter: "showed the #mojolicious perldoc plugin to some #perl hackers today... TIMTOWTDI reactions, but nothing is as easy and nice! --janus" --perlrocks http://twitter.com/perlrock​s/status/16931833698582528
19:03 perlrocks janus: http://twitter.com/perlrock​s/status/16931833698582528
19:06 janus everyone seems to have a hack to do it... no need for that anymore
19:08 janus was fun to see the reactions :)
19:08 sri next hack will be for index generation :)
19:09 sri perltoc looks a little underwhelming
19:09 sri especially no links
19:09 janus yep, that sucks in the perl* pages too
19:09 sri ye
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19:26 zipkid Can you use the app object in a helper?
19:26 zipkid or do i need to pass it as a param?
19:26 yko $c->app
19:27 zipkid not known...
19:28 * zipkid read about Helper ...
19:29 yko zipkid: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/master/lib/M​ojolicious/Guides/Rendering.pod#Adding_Helpers
19:29 yko there's example you just asked in pod that describe helpers
19:31 zipkid yko: i'm talking about /perldoc?Mojolicious#helper
19:32 yko -_-
19:33 zipkid with a module like here /perldoc?Mojolicious/Guides/Growing#Model
19:34 yko I you would look through M9s::Lite you know that 'app' in Lite stands for application object
19:34 zipkid yko: i have.
19:34 yko so app->helper == sub startup { $self->helper }
19:34 zipkid now i'm moving on....
19:36 yko in helper you recieve controller object as first param. from controller object you can access your application as $c->app
19:36 zipkid yko: my question was, how do i access the app object IN the helper module....
19:36 zipkid yko: i tried...
19:36 yko there's no "helper module". there's helper routine
19:36 zipkid i'll do it again
19:36 yko ok
19:36 zipkid sorry for the bad naming..
19:36 yko let me provide little example
19:37 zipkid it is a perl module that i use as helper... no?
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19:40 yko zipkid: https://gist.github.com/748879
19:41 yko helper isn't an modue. helper is a subroutine that returns (or not) some value
19:41 yko you define helper and you are able use it from templates just calling it by name, or using it from controller object calling $c->helepr_name
19:42 yko there's very simple example at Rendering guide, link to which i already gave to you, but looks like you just ignored it
19:43 yko damn, now i need another glass of bacardi 8 select :\
19:50 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blo​b/master/lib/Mojolicious.pm#L655
19:51 zipkid yko: i tink you dont understand my question...
19:51 sri i'm a little puzzled how that could be misinterpreted so badly :(
19:51 sri absolutely nothing there looks like a module, does it?
19:51 yko sri: no
19:52 zipkid sri: no... correct...
19:53 yko zipkid: maybe. because i'm very lazy non-english speaker i can missunderstand somebody even in my mother tongue
19:53 zipkid but the 2nd code listing under /perldoc?Mojolicious/Guides/Growing#Model does ...
19:53 zipkid yko: damn... give me a minute to explain :-(
19:54 sri app->helper(users => sub { $users });
19:54 zipkid you gouys are great help but a bit focused on what you think....
19:54 sri whats hard to understand about that code?
19:54 * yko don't see any 'packages' here :)
19:54 zipkid package MyUsers;   ...?
19:54 sri it's a closure returning a value
19:55 zipkid i call that a module, excuse me...
19:55 sri thats entirely unrelated to helpers
19:55 zipkid DARN.....
19:55 * yko giggles
19:55 zipkid MAn... is that a 'module' or not?
19:55 zipkid yes/no please
19:55 sri entirely unrelated
19:55 zipkid :-(
19:56 sri that module is refered to as "model" everywhere i look
19:56 zipkid so i am not allowed to ask about using it?
19:56 zipkid "Our login manager will simply use a plain old Perl module abstracting away all logic related to matching user names and passwords."
19:56 zipkid do i see 'module' in there?????
19:56 sri exactly
19:56 zipkid So, back to square one ...
19:56 sri it could be a cow
19:57 sri still is entirely unrelated to helpers
19:57 zipkid i know i am not 'entitled' to help
19:57 sri wtf?
19:57 zipkid but am i deserving being mocked?
19:57 sri i'm out
19:57 yko zipkid, just describe what you want to achieve
19:58 zipkid i'm trying to make clear what i mean but i only get naming discussions or 'unrelated' :-(
19:58 sri yko: maybe it is time to stop and let him cool down
19:58 sri this would go nowhere now
19:58 * yko sighs
19:59 janus heh, just reply with code :>
20:00 zipkid one more try... app->helper(users => sub { $users });   <- $users is an 'object' here... how do i ref 'app' within that object ? ...
20:00 sri please stop
20:01 marty sri++
20:01 sri you can try again later once everybody has cooled down
20:02 yko sri++
20:02 marty Only 6 more days until xmas!!!   (xmas being on the 26th that is)  :)
20:03 sri :)
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20:51 * und3f sri o/
20:56 kvorg #list
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21:39 yko sri: On systems that have no perl docs at all current pod_renderer_lite_app.t will fail at #58: status is 302, redirect to cpan
21:39 sri fail?
21:40 yko yes
21:40 yko code is 302 instead of 200
21:40 sri you mean it cpan fails?
21:40 sri *-it
21:40 sri it redirects to cpan if something is not available locally
21:41 yko yes.
21:41 yko for example on ubuntu by default there's no /pods dir at all
21:41 sri so?
21:41 yko so, $t->get_ok('/perldoc?perlboot')->status_is(200) will fail, because perldoc redirect user to cpan, status is 302
21:42 sri ah, now you're making sense :)
21:42 yko i can suggest fix: http://bit.ly/geTuBN
21:42 yko but not sure youll approve it
21:43 yko i should fix my brain and teach myself how to write delicious patches :(
21:44 sri damn broken linux distributions
21:44 yko from other hand, my suggestion tests nothing
21:44 yko sri: i don't think it's broken. it's ust ubuntu
21:44 yko *just
21:44 sri all debian dists
21:44 yko they don't ship docs at all. there's no man by default
21:44 sri i know it's all in perl-doc
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21:45 yko but wait, we have not tests for 302 redirects, so it makes sense
21:46 sri no, it's wrong
21:46 sri tests have to go
21:46 yko you are right... you are so big.... (dont remember further)
21:47 sri ;p
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21:47 GitHub84 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 81ec04f (1 files in 1 dirs): removed tests again - http://bit.ly/gI3v1q
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21:47 yko :D
21:49 * yko is writing alias for cpanm http://latest.mojo....
21:50 kvorg yko: Hmm, the real quote is: "Oh Lord...Oooo You are so BIG...so absolutely HUGE ... Gosh ... we're reeeeeally impressed down here I can tell You ... Lord forgive us our dreadfull toading...but...You're just so SUPER...AMEN!!"
21:51 kvorg toading seems most appropriate though ... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD
21:51 yko :)
21:51 yko ill will never remember that. i cant remember how to use tab key actually
21:52 kvorg no matter ... tab key is difficult.
21:52 yko :D
21:52 sri lol
21:52 kvorg it took me 15 years to get funcional tab keys in my fvwm config. pure lazyness thouhg
21:53 kvorg it was interesting to see the perception of a very non-evlolving config from advanced to cool to old-times to just plain weird, but it is built in my fingers :-P
21:54 * kvorg hates modern desktops' lame impersonation of lame windows concepts ... huge virtual desktops with smart keyboard navigation beat it every time
21:55 marty sri you suck!!   (adding balance for posterity)   :)
21:55 sri :O
21:56 * kvorg wields a bullwhip and goes score some point with sri (sorry marty, you will feel good about this eventually).
21:56 marty lol
21:56 sri \o/
21:57 kvorg well ubuntu is a strange distribution. i keep a list of packages that need to be installed to make it bearable, and then it is ok
21:58 kvorg it is just like those above mentioned desktops that bury any way to get at a terminal in some Accessory/Tool submenu ... what is this shit? are we children?
21:58 kvorg give me a fcuking terminal and i will never touch your stinking menus again!
21:58 * kvorg wipes sweat and calms down.
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22:28 janus heh, i could only get rid of fvwm when i started looking and hacking on another one ;)
22:30 janus pure wm with groups instead of desktops, which implies: no desktop ;)
22:30 janus i'm always shocked when by what i see for a few seconds between presentations :>
22:31 janus like... chaos, that can be fun when you select all and execute/enter :P
22:33 janus dumdidoo, but why should i care... i am happy with my stuff
22:34 janus it's only that i went through all of this and feel angry about inefficency in general i guess
22:36 janus </me:rotd>
22:39 janus regarding the $users that want an app...
22:40 janus maybe an example of a method-call passing a $tx around would make it such questions obsolete?
22:40 janus s/it //
22:44 marcus huh
22:45 marcus sri: I don't understand the point of relaxed placeholders
22:45 marcus sri: According to your docs they are the same as generic placeholders
22:46 sri marcus: they also match "."
22:47 sri generic is until "/" or "."
22:47 marcus ah
22:48 marcus ooh, frankfurt airport gets hooters
22:49 * sri has never been to hooters
22:50 marcus me neither. They mostly exist in the US
22:53 janus oh, prefix support from pod_renderer is gone?
22:54 janus but still: perl -Mojo -e 'plugin("pod_renderer"); a()->start' daemon
22:56 sri ye, but the plugin call returns the route
22:59 janus perl -Mojo -e 'plugin("pod_renderer")->pattern->parse("/") and a()->start' daemon
23:00 janus wasn't someone collecting mojo oneliners?
23:00 sri sounds like a wiki page :)
23:00 janus i will make that one an alias :>
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23:08 janus saving the quotes: alias mojopod="perl -Mojo -e 'plugin(\"pod_renderer\")->pattern->parse(\"/\") and a()->start' daemon"
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23:23 und3f is now known as und3f[A]
23:23 und3f[A] is now known as und3f
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23:48 kvorg hmmm vti's vacation consists of creating n projects in m days while getting something working in m < 4? weird.

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