Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2010-12-26

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00:02 marcus sri: also, name became MyApp for me when I tried generate makefile inside a mojolicious app.
00:02 sri did you run mojo generate...?
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00:03 GitHub189 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 9b256ec (1 files in 1 dirs): ho ho ho - http://bit.ly/gSxc99
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00:09 MojoGuest504 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (123 hits)
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00:15 marcus sri: yes
00:15 marcus tested it again
00:15 marcus doh
00:15 sri yea, working as intended
00:15 sri ./script/myapp generate makefile
00:16 marcus yupp
00:16 sri mojo command can't detect apps
00:16 marcus sent vti a pull request for some haml docs and a patch to disable caching for templates in development mode
00:16 marcus how break modus is he?
00:24 sri dunno
00:24 sri i think he applied patches
00:24 sri s/d/s/
00:36 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious - Web framework for Perl http://www.findbestopensour​ce.com/product/mojolicious # opensource" (id) --bestopensource http://twitter.com/bestopenso​urce/status/18827352083529728
00:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious - Web framework for Perl http://www.findbestopensour​ce.com/product/mojolicious # opensource http://bit.ly/e1ENEo" (id) --FOSSwiki http://twitter.com/FOSSwik​i/status/18828968132083713
01:29 perlrocks Twitter: "На наших глазах происходит чудо "@kraih: Everything prepared for the #mojolicious 1.0 release tomorrow. :) #perl"" --mshershnev http://twitter.com/mshershn​ev/status/18840728700452864
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03:35 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Everything prepared for the #mojolicious 1.0 release tomorrow. :) #perl" --ficovh http://twitter.com/ficovh/status/18872586637148161
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04:44 perlrocks Twitter: "All glory to the hypnotoad! This is most excellent stuff, hot upgrades, and performance is pretty good too! #mojolicious" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/18889900354961408
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07:20 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ kraih: Everything prepared for the # mojolicious 1.0 release tomorrow. :) # Perl" (de) --SaschaDroste http://twitter.com/SaschaDro​ste/status/18929175012315136
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09:13 marcus sri: do routes have a default name? ('*') seems like a good alternative
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10:11 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih Why is Mojolicious using HMAC-MD5 for cookies and not something more secure like HMAC-SHA1 or HMAC-SHA256?" --mxey_ http://twitter.com/mxey_/status/18972106171617280
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10:19 MojoGuest887 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (124 hits)
10:21 MojoGuest887 poco?
10:21 MojoGuest887 is now known as poco
10:21 poco poco poco!
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10:28 su-bzero "Why is Mojolicious using HMAC-MD5 for cookies and not something more secure like HMAC-SHA1 or HMAC-SHA256?" Why???
10:31 rhaen hep
10:31 rhaen hm, when is the release time?
10:32 yko evening :)
10:48 rhaen puuuuh.
10:48 rhaen xmas - you always have to wait
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11:40 marcus nagval: because sri hates freedom
11:40 marcus it's the only possible explanation
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11:51 MojoGuest509 From: http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&source=web​&cd=3&ved=0CC0QFjAC&url=http%3A%​2F%2Fdev.xantus.org%2F&rct=j&q=webso​cket%20demo&ei=NywXTa6tGYHOswbyg-XYDA&am​p;usg=AFQjCNGw6nZv0wO42uzUnHhWcD0vcKNULg (1 hits)
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12:17 marcus http://docs.jquery.com/Plugins/validation
12:17 marcus anyone know of a perl integration for that one?
12:26 yko does it need any server-side work to be done?
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13:02 marcus yko: I would like the same rules to be applied on the server side too, to make it secure.
13:03 yko oh.. dunno, maybe something like that can be done with MojoX::Validator?
13:04 yko but as far as i understand, you want something serverside that will generate validation rules for jQuery validator and then repeat them serverside after post, ye?
13:05 marcus yes
13:07 marcus http://sleekd.com/tutorials/jque​ry-validation-in-ruby-on-rails/
13:08 yko that idea souds good. but never heard about perl implementation with that validator
13:10 marcus http://webification.com/tag/​ruby-form-validation-jquery
13:10 marcus guess that is what I want to port
13:11 yko very good idea i think!
13:14 * sri yawns
13:21 marcus maybe write it as an addon to MojoX::Validator
13:21 marcus to generate validation rules as a json feed.
13:22 yko you better know. Idea using ready validator sounds good, but i never look down MojoX::Validator. shame on me
13:24 sri maybe an entirely new validator makes sense, not sure how maintained MojoX::Validator is now
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13:46 * marcus tries to find out how to do loops in TexT::HAML
13:48 marcus http://pastie.textmate.org/pr​ivate/sn0moo9bc3ipso0af3jogq is what I have so far
13:51 yko perldoc++
13:51 yko it's so easy now read core docs from mojolicio.us!
13:54 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious makes #perl documentation so sweet! http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?File/Temp#SYNOPSIS" --ykorshak http://twitter.com/ykorsha​k/status/19028161748541440
13:58 marcus hmm, guess I can use partials from haml too
14:01 marcus sri: What do you think about a partial helper?
14:01 marcus = partial 'foo/bar'
14:01 marcus looks better than = $self->render(template=>foo/bar', partial=>1);
14:02 yko why not %= include 'foo/bar' ?
14:02 yko http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojolic​ious/Plugin/DefaultHelpers#include
14:03 marcus ah
14:03 * yko really loves mojolicious perldoc!
14:03 marcus include is perfect. I just expected it to be named 'partial' :)
14:03 yko sri++
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14:10 marcus can't get it to work, but otherwise it is perfect :)
14:15 sri :)
14:15 yko sure it works
14:16 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ykorshak: #mojolicious makes #perl documentation so sweet! http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?File/Temp#SYNOPSIS" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/19033740315467776
14:16 yko ah.. you mean 'partial'
14:17 sri anyone want to proofread one last time?
14:19 rhaen hm, just release it!
14:19 rhaen every small typo might be a chance for a bugfix release :)
14:19 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: RT @ykorshak: #mojolicious makes #perl documentation so sweet! http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?File/Temp#SYNOPSIS" --aydar_kh http://twitter.com/aydar_k​h/status/19034616077746176
14:23 yko sri: i'd proofread it, but you know my english level
14:24 sri ;p
14:26 rhaen ok, is it released now?
14:26 rhaen What's the time to open the champagne?
14:27 rhaen come on! My hands are getting cold!
14:27 sri an hour i guess
14:27 rhaen may I release a small blog entry about the wiki docu first?
14:27 rhaen I won't mention the release
14:28 sri sure
14:44 sri rhaen: did you blog?
14:45 sri wanted to release now, but i guess i'll have to wait until after your post appears on the planets
14:46 sri tomorrow would have been better for your blog post i think :S
14:48 rhaen no - fire it!
14:48 sri \o/
14:49 rhaen http://www.xmind.net/share/ra​benfeder/mojolicious-wiki-1/
14:49 sri tagged 1.0!
14:50 yko Yahoooo!!!!
14:50 * yko dancing.
14:50 sri i'll wait a bit with the blog post until 1.0 appears on cpan
14:51 yko sri: i think it will take some time for cpan index new file anyway
14:54 * sri will be smoking a cohiba now :)
14:54 yko damn, i haven't by one for holydays!
14:55 * yko cries.
14:57 sri uploaded
14:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 by Sebastian Riedel - http://frepan.64p.org/~kraih/Mojolicious-1.0/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/19044032541892608
14:57 yko Well, got a pipe and some tobacco. Bacardy selet 8 wont be will not be superfluous!
14:57 sri congratulations everyone!
14:57 yko Поздравляю всех! Especially sri!
14:58 yko oh, still not indexed by cpan, but already released
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15:03 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojo1.0 I'm supposed to! RT @ cpan_new: Mojolicious 1.0 by Sebastian Riedel - http://bit.ly/guW1tF" (ja) --toritori0318 http://twitter.com/toritori0​318/status/19045601941389312
15:03 perlrocks Twitter: "1 night + mojolicious + jquery + webcam = http://bit.ly/eI3ufg :-)" --freekey http://twitter.com/freekey​/status/19045606274109440
15:03 sri :o
15:04 perlrocks Twitter: "<clap>Whehen Mojo was born.. oh happy day</clap> :)  GumbyPAN CPAN Upload: Mojolicious-1.0 by KRAIH - Congrats. :) #perl #mojolicious" --sheeshee http://twitter.com/sheeshe​e/status/19045818640105472
15:05 perlrocks Twitter: "RT! Toritori0318: Mojo1.0 I'm supposed to! RT! Cpan_new: Mojolicious 1.0 by Sebastian Riedel - http://bit.ly/guW1tF" (ja) --perlism http://twitter.com/perlism​/status/19046039633797120
15:08 diegok sri: felicidades a todos y sobre todo a sri!, viva la revolución!
15:09 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious, hear me wasting cash" (ja) --rin1024 http://twitter.com/rin1024​/status/19047158778961920
15:09 perlrocks Twitter: "Now i have #mojolicious 1.0! Ho-Ho-Ho" --ykorshak http://twitter.com/ykorsha​k/status/19047245378752513
15:10 perlrocks Twitter: "RT! Rin1024: mojolicious, hear me wasting cash" (ja) --perlism http://twitter.com/perlism​/status/19047292321402881
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15:21 perlrocks Twitter: "Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/19050168649252865
15:21 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --freekey http://twitter.com/freekey​/status/19050218028793857
15:23 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --dotandimet http://twitter.com/dotandim​et/status/19050676881465345
15:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released http://ff.im/vRD2A" --angeloselvini http://twitter.com/angeloselv​ini/status/19051176792162304
15:25 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --ykorshak http://twitter.com/ykorsha​k/status/19051180680286208
15:27 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --rabenfeder http://twitter.com/rabenfed​er/status/19051596327428096
15:27 sri \o/
15:29 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --obfuscurity http://twitter.com/obfuscuri​ty/status/19052148138446848
15:30 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released:  Merry Christmas!  It fills me with great joy to finally announce the release o... http://bit.ly/ejKazJ #perl" --PlanetPerl http://twitter.com/PlanetPe​rl/status/19052344247320576
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15:39 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --__gfx__ http://twitter.com/__gfx__​/status/19054611692261377
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15:39 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --burakgursoy http://twitter.com/burakgurs​oy/status/19054814029684738
15:40 dotan was shagadelic removed? I just noticed an old lite app that didn't recognize it's routes (or the route command). It used shagadelic(@ARGV ? @ARGV : 'CGI'); - I replaced that with app->start and it revived to full functionality.
15:41 sri nope, shagadelic is still there
15:42 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --marcusramberg http://twitter.com/marcusramb​erg/status/19055373138788352
15:42 sri just tested, shagadelic seems to just work
15:42 dotan Maybe lowercase 'cgi' instead of uppercase 'CGI'?
15:42 dotan (looking at the lite docs)
15:43 sri no difference to app->start
15:43 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --rdtft http://twitter.com/rdtft/status/19055746645753856
15:48 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://htn.to/a98gER" --mattn_jp http://twitter.com/mattn_j​p/status/19056909910810624
15:48 perlrocks Twitter: "Yeah baby :) Very very cool! RT @kraih Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/19057092031684608
15:49 marcus sri cute graphics :)
15:49 marcus kind of reminds me of the wii homebrew loading screen.
15:50 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih congrats to the 1.0 I have had some fun playing with mojolicious so far ..." --patrick_fraley http://twitter.com/patrick_fr​aley/status/19057387541372928
15:55 sri :)
15:56 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --chernomyrdin http://twitter.com/chernomyr​din/status/19059080043700224
15:57 marcus sri: http://defaultprime.com/wp-content/upl​oads/2009/10/Homebrew_channel_logo.png
15:59 sri with a lot of imagination maybe :)
16:01 diegok sri: imagination plus some snowflakes :-p
16:06 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --xomaa http://twitter.com/xomaa/status/19061518268104705
16:07 kvorg aaah, looks nifty! bravo!
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16:11 perlrocks Twitter: "Could you ever imagine that syntax highlighting can have own tests? mojo.vim has! http://bit.ly/bfvZjf #mojolicious" --ykorshak http://twitter.com/ykorsha​k/status/19062645680246785
16:11 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --esskar http://twitter.com/esskar/status/19062783370858496
16:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/C7smv" (ja) --RtestR http://twitter.com/RtestR/status/19064217478889474
16:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl - http://bit.ly/faMo4K - [Hacker News FH]" --newsbloom6 http://twitter.com/newsbloo​m6/status/19064462984089600
16:18 sri http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2040729 # vote up! :)
16:23 perlrocks Twitter: "Make sure to vote for #mojolicious on hackernews. ;) http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2040729 #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/19065748974473216
16:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl:  http://bit.ly/hetGhH" --hnfirehose http://twitter.com/hnfireho​se/status/19066308716924928
16:27 marcus santa baby.
16:27 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/19066902294831104
16:30 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Make sure to vote for #mojolicious on hackernews. ;) http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2040729 #perl" --esskar http://twitter.com/esskar/status/19067490667601921
16:30 perlrocks Twitter: "I'm now http://j.mp/gEsYsS Mojolicious 1.0" (ja) --akiym http://twitter.com/akiym/status/19067515682426880
16:31 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ akiym: Mojolicious me and I was http://j.mp/gEsYsS 1.0" (ja) --hiratara http://twitter.com/hiratar​a/status/19067693642547201
16:31 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @freekey: 1 night + mojolicious + jquery + webcam = http://bit.ly/eI3ufg :-)" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/19067791042682880
16:34 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ akiym: Mojolicious me and I was http://j.mp/gEsYsS 1.0" (ja) --techno_neko http://twitter.com/techno_ne​ko/status/19068442539728896
16:35 perlrocks Twitter: "RT! Akiym: Mojolicious me and I was http://j.mp/gEsYsS 1.0" (ja) --perlism http://twitter.com/perlism​/status/19068683049508864
16:35 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --xuntaka http://twitter.com/xuntaka​/status/19068794139840513
16:35 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --rainboxx http://twitter.com/rainbox​x/status/19068807712604161
16:38 kvorg Now also on the slashdot firehose, hoping to get to the first page eventually: http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl
16:40 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl: http://bit.ly/dIEHZb Comments: http://bit.ly/f7yTj0" --HNTweets http://twitter.com/HNTweet​s/status/19069949804810240
16:41 sri \o/
16:41 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl: Comments http://goo.gl/fb/ADcfn" --bartezzini http://twitter.com/bartezzi​ni/status/19070416119136256
16:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl... http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released" --hackernewsbot http://twitter.com/hackernews​bot/status/19070454538969088
16:45 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --arpadszasz http://twitter.com/arpadsza​sz/status/19071286386888705
16:45 kvorg upvote on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/ernz7/​mojolicious_10_released_the_modern_perl_web/
16:46 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/gXhoe3" --HNComments http://twitter.com/HNCommen​ts/status/19071460559560705
16:50 perlrocks Twitter: "[h] Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://bit.ly/ejKazJ" --bb_auto http://twitter.com/bb_auto​/status/19072520787329024
16:51 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @ kraih: Released # mojolicious 1.0! :) # Perl http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released" (de) --2mad4milk http://twitter.com/2mad4mil​k/status/19072718271938560
16:52 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/C7x4w" (ja) --RtestR http://twitter.com/RtestR/status/19073042533588992
16:53 sri not bad for a holiday release :)
16:54 dotan Upvoting is nice and all, but we could use some comments which go beyond high-fives...
16:54 marcus Will THIS SUCKS do?
16:54 marcus or PERL IS DEAD
16:56 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://bit.ly/dHr9kn" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnew​s/status/19073973283196928
16:56 dotan marcus: ;-)
16:56 sri the classics :)
16:57 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Make sure to vote for #mojolicious on hackernews. ;) http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2040729 #perl" --j3nnn1 http://twitter.com/j3nnn1/status/19074239210455040
16:57 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: RT @freekey: 1 night + mojolicious + jquery + webcam = http://bit.ly/eI3ufg :-)" --shafiqissani http://twitter.com/shafiqiss​ani/status/19074245510303744
16:57 marcus oh oh
16:57 marcus web cam?
16:58 marcus does not compute
16:59 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: RT @freekey: 1 night + mojolicious + jquery + webcam = http://bit.ly/eI3ufg :-)" --j3nnn1 http://twitter.com/j3nnn1/status/19074711300341760
17:00 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://j.mp/hbRQcy" --newsycombinator http://twitter.com/newsycombin​ator/status/19074985536528384
17:03 perlrocks Twitter: "“@newsycombinator: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://j.mp/hbRQcy” << bookmarking for later playtime" --rjamestaylor http://twitter.com/rjamestay​lor/status/19075718726029312
17:10 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://goo.gl/fb/uFbsb" --srefeed http://twitter.com/srefeed​/status/19077574680387585
17:10 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl: http: Comments: http:" --YCHackerNews http://twitter.com/YCHackerN​ews/status/19077681328947200
17:11 kvorg aaargh, freekish!
17:14 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl: Comments http://digfoc.us/hH2U0O" --bundleOfThought http://twitter.com/bundleOfTho​ught/status/19078533770911744
17:15 perlrocks Twitter: "HNews: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/f9qW6n" --tek_news http://twitter.com/tek_new​s/status/19078766848376833
17:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://goo.gl/fb/9raNT" --HackerNewsYC http://twitter.com/HackerNew​sYC/status/19079261579116544
17:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Aw, is it using Perl 6? RT @newsycombinator Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://j.mp/hbRQcy" --evilhackerdude http://twitter.com/evilhacker​dude/status/19079475845136385
17:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://goo.gl/fb/qNl92" (ja) --myikegami_bot http://twitter.com/myikegami_​bot/status/19079659018784769
17:19 mateu hmm quite a lot of bot chatter on this channel.  Does it really need to repost twits?
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17:23 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl - Comments http://ow.ly/1aC0VT" --marcelobernard http://twitter.com/marcelober​nard/status/19080851102892033
17:23 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/hetGhH" --hackernws http://twitter.com/hackernw​s/status/19080896468492289
17:23 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/ejKazJ" --JosephJay http://twitter.com/JosephJa​y/status/19080896569155586
17:23 sri mateu: feel free to improve the bot ;)
17:24 sri it needs to be rewritten anyway
17:24 sri was a quick hack back then to test Mojo::IOLoop
17:25 sri on normal days it's not that much though :)
17:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl: Comments http://bit.ly/ejKazJ" --pokkrap http://twitter.com/pokkrap​/status/19081412007165952
17:26 mateu how about just unplugging it form twitter?
17:27 sri don't think it's *that* bad yet
17:28 mateu hmm, guess my point of view is skewed then as I recently joined the channel and it's a lot of noise, but then  I don't come to IRC to see retweets.
17:29 sri during holidays there is not much going on in here anyway
17:30 mateu I wondered.  Congratulations on reaching a 1.0 milestone.
17:31 sri thanks
17:35 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/eoNc15 (http://bit.ly/fJ2cm5) via @kraih #trending" --newsyc20 http://twitter.com/newsyc2​0/status/19083782678118400
17:35 perlrocks Twitter: ""mojolicious: a next gen web framework for the #Perl programming language" > http://mojolicio.us/" --SeanTAllen http://twitter.com/SeanTAll​en/status/19083901024600064
17:36 mateu left #mojo
17:39 sri hmm, should i kill the twitter bot?
17:41 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://dlvr.it/C81Cd" --FrikiFeeds http://twitter.com/FrikiFee​ds/status/19085302270267392
17:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://hndiary.com/r/GXQ" --hndzerobot http://twitter.com/hndzerob​ot/status/19085626133446657
17:42 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @FrikiFeeds: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://dlvr.it/C81Cd" --razormad http://twitter.com/razorma​d/status/19085631909007361
17:43 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious Perl Modern Web Framework 1.0 released http://goo.gl/fb/ILuAL" --elliotkaye http://twitter.com/elliotka​ye/status/19085826465992704
17:44 garu sri: that's the price of success :)
17:44 sri :D
17:44 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious Perl Modern Web Framework 1.0 released: Sebastian Riedel, author of the trend-setting Maypole MVC we... http://bit.ly/i7ZX8Y" --blysscomputers http://twitter.com/blysscompu​ters/status/19086202707644416
17:46 marcus the trendsetting Maypole MVC ?? :D
17:46 marcus sri: You should sue!
17:46 sri lol
17:46 marcus http://slashdot.org/submission/1428216/Mojoliciou​s-Perl-Modern-Web-Framework-10-released?from=rss&​amp;utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitter on slashdot now
17:50 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --mshershnev http://twitter.com/mshershn​ev/status/19087744424738816
17:51 marcus http://slashdot.org/submission/1428216/Mojol​icious-Perl-Modern-Web-Framework-10-released check out my leet slashdot uid :)
17:51 sri :O
17:52 * sri bows
17:53 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/g8QAiS" --Devils_Refugee_ http://twitter.com/Devils_Refu​gee_/status/19088548506378240
17:59 punytan congrats 1.0!
18:02 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/hPUuBd" --justinvincent http://twitter.com/justinvinc​ent/status/19090654458023937
18:02 perlrocks Twitter: "Will be interesting to follow its traction RT @newsycombinator: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://j.mp/hbRQcy" --tor http://twitter.com/tor/status/19090753049333760
18:05 * marcus plans to piss off to town to drink aquavit and play poker.
18:05 perlrocks Twitter: "In the forums: It's out version 1.0 of the web framework Mojolicious http://bit.ly/g0dbdb # perl" (es) --perlenespanol http://twitter.com/perlenespa​nol/status/19091482765950977
18:08 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @justinvincent: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/hPUuBd" --JiaOnTheGo http://twitter.com/JiaOnThe​Go/status/19092136200773632
18:11 marcus woot, trending on hackernews now. #2 on the front page
18:12 sri #2 only?
18:12 sri last hour we were #1
18:13 marcus http://radiapp.com/ is #1
18:13 sri those bastards!
18:13 marcus it looks frickin sexy tho
18:13 marcus and it's GUI :)
18:14 sri indeed
18:14 sri gui snobs!
18:15 sri looks a bit weird, java app?
18:18 * sri goes back to the fireplace and smokes another cohiba
18:23 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/f9qW6n" --nonstopvegas http://twitter.com/nonstopve​gas/status/19096006469619712
18:28 perlrocks Twitter: "http://bit.ly/g8d54e Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web Merry Christmas! It fills me with great joy to f.." (ja) --recenturl http://twitter.com/recentur​l/status/19097139606978560
18:31 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --ficovh http://twitter.com/ficovh/status/19097943730552832
18:32 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released" (ja) --favoritemark http://twitter.com/favoritem​ark/status/19098313563308032
18:43 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/C86PG" (ja) --htnb_hot http://twitter.com/htnb_ho​t/status/19100915839541248
18:46 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/C86hm" (ja) --hatebu_new http://twitter.com/hatebu_n​ew/status/19101651788898304
18:49 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempirete​ch/status/19102490884575232
18:50 perlrocks Twitter: "The # mojolicious Has Come! The # mojolicious Has Come! To the mojolicious #!" (it) --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempirete​ch/status/19102707381960704
18:55 perlrocks Twitter: "Testing out Mojolicious a next gen mvc for perl http://mojolicio.us/" --chuhnk http://twitter.com/chuhnk/status/19103916545286144
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18:58 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @justinvincent: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/hPUuBd" --MpaK666 http://twitter.com/MpaK666​/status/19104672497274880
19:00 tempire lulz.
19:01 tempire Wonder why my tweet was interpreted as italian.
19:06 sri google translate is not very good at language detection
19:10 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web: 6 users http://bit.ly/hetGhH" (ja) --tk0451 http://twitter.com/tk0451/status/19107848814329856
19:10 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web: 6 users http://bit.ly/ejKazJ" (ja) --1i_ http://twitter.com/1i_/status/19107849208602624
19:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Perl?? Can someone pls bury that lang alrdy? RT @justinvincent: Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/hPUuBd" --puremcc http://twitter.com/puremcc​/status/19109471431172096
19:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/C899J" (ja) --HiroshiNTCS http://twitter.com/HiroshiNT​CS/status/19109495082852352
19:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 http://bit.ly/dGnggH #linux" --Yug555 http://twitter.com/Yug555/status/19109728491675648
19:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0: After approximately 5 years of development, saw the light of the first release of a web framework for a new generation ... http://bit.ly/i8GSx2" (ru) --sharmanov http://twitter.com/sharmano​v/status/19109728210653184
19:18 tempire 5 years?
19:18 tempire Didn't you start this in 08?
19:19 sri seems to be refering to catalyst
19:19 tempire catalyst: mojolicious 0.5
19:20 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/C89RZ" (ja) --yotasurf2 http://twitter.com/yotasurf​2/status/19110257380818944
19:28 perlrocks Twitter: "http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web" (ja) --magazzz http://twitter.com/magazzz​/status/19112272928444416
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19:30 perlrocks Twitter: "Fetching /CPAN/authors/id/K/KR/KRAIH/Mojolicious-1.0.tar.gz ... OK Configuring Mojolicious-1.0 ... OK Building and testing Mojolicious-1.0 !" --freekey http://twitter.com/freekey​/status/19112910554923008
19:37 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0: After approximately 5 years of development, saw the light of the first release of a web framework for a new generation ... http://bit.ly/i8GSx2" (ru) --holyslon_news http://twitter.com/holyslon_n​ews/status/19114517933854720
19:38 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --unativ http://twitter.com/unativ/status/19114761077653504
19:40 perlrocks Twitter: "Release of a web framework for a new generation of Perl - Mojolicious 1.0 (Snowflake) - http://mojolicio.us/. Examples of look cool!" (ru) --leopard_me http://twitter.com/leopard_​me/status/19115464764424192
19:45 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --AFreshOne http://twitter.com/AFreshOn​e/status/19116598296055808
19:48 perlrocks Twitter: "1.0 Kiter / Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://htn.to/MCMjvR" (ja) --memememomo http://twitter.com/memememo​mo/status/19117293212532736
19:49 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @justinvincent Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/hPUuBd" --jakoubek http://twitter.com/jakoube​k/status/19117528781422592
19:49 perlrocks Twitter: "RT @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --initself http://twitter.com/initsel​f/status/19117558477103106
19:50 perlrocks Twitter: "RT !memememomo: 1.0キター / Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://htn.to/MCMjvR" --perlism http://twitter.com/perlism​/status/19117758348263424
19:51 sri the bot could really use an RT filter
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19:53 rhaen YAY!
19:53 rhaen sri: you are so cool!
19:54 sri what did i do this time?
19:55 rhaen oh, just to mention. Too cool!
19:56 sri too cool for school
19:57 rhaen oh nevermind. I didn't finish my studies and I am still alive
19:57 rhaen Waynes world mode :)
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19:57 sri ok, now with rt filter
19:58 sri very naive one
19:58 sri lets see how it goes
19:58 rhaen haha - make sure to RT me
19:58 sri your tweet is too long
19:58 rhaen too long?
19:59 rhaen ah, for rt
19:59 rhaen sure :)
19:59 sri 16 chars too long
19:59 rhaen then shorten it!
19:59 sri can't shorten it enough
19:59 rhaen oh hang on, I'll send another oner :)
19:59 sri even without tags
20:00 perlrocks Twitter: "Had to emergency patch the #mojolicious irc/twitter bot with a retweet filter, too much buzz! :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/19120426542170112
20:00 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious wiki mindmap - Thanks everyone who contributed! http://bit.ly/grjnRq" --rabenfeder http://twitter.com/rabenfed​er/status/19120492996730882
20:01 rhaen use this one
20:01 sri worked!
20:01 rhaen :)
20:04 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://bit.ly/h4Sfoi" --joshva http://twitter.com/joshva/status/19121409120804864
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20:10 sri hmm, i need to blog more code
20:13 rhaen yup!
20:19 rhaen hej, moderate your comments! :)
20:22 sri yeye ;p
20:24 rhaen btw - it was great to work with you!
20:24 diegok sri: are you just taking RT's out?
20:24 rhaen I really enjoyed my time here in the mojo community
20:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released - A new Web Framework for Perl http://bit.ly/eoNc15 (http://bit.ly/fJ2cm5) via @kraih" --newsyc50 http://twitter.com/newsyc5​0/status/19126565845602304
20:25 rhaen diegok: that's too simple! I think sri is doing some magic stuff with it.
20:25 perlrocks Twitter: "my $rhaen = undef;: Mojolicious wiki - a mindmap overview: Mojolicious wiki - a mindmap overview. Mojolicious ... http://twurl.nl/qtq8z1" --TheMindMapWatch http://twitter.com/TheMindMapW​atch/status/19126736981590016
20:25 rhaen ;)
20:25 rhaen huh!
20:27 diegok rhaen: I'm asking because I did a bot last week for a spanish "riot" channel that was followind two national trending topics so I wanted to know what was his solution to te RT "problem" :p
20:27 diegok rhaen: I just broadcasted the RT original link with RT count finally.
20:28 sri rhaen: glad to have you here
20:28 sri diegok: yea, just filtering out RT atm
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20:29 diegok sri: sometimes, is nice to watch which tweet are getting most of the RT's (that was the reason we ended up with RT count on my bot)
20:30 sri where do you show the count?
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20:31 sri after all the original tweet comes first
20:31 diegok sri: every time a RT happen, a message like -> RT[COUNT] URL_OF_ORIGINAL_TWEET bt @who_did_rt
20:31 sri ah
20:31 diegok sri: it's shorter than the two lines of a full tweet ;p
20:35 diegok sri: we where talking about bradcast RT's only when !(rt count % 5) or things like that...
20:35 sri that doesn't sound too bad
20:37 rhaen awesome - now my post is listed on the ironman - we need more people to make some noise :)
20:38 sri indeed
20:38 sri good and regular bloggers are very very rare in the perl universe
20:39 rhaen true :)
20:40 rhaen I am blogging from time to time - but not regulary
20:41 perlrocks Twitter: "#kraih: Had to emergency patch the #mojolicious irc/twitter bot with a retweet filter, too much buzz! :) #perl http://is.gd/jvIFx" --twitbotix http://twitter.com/twitboti​x/status/19130607489519616
20:41 sri grrr
20:41 rhaen hahaha
20:41 sri those bots are taunting me!
20:43 yko :) sri, what's next now?
20:43 sri disneyland!
20:43 yko I mean, wow! We have 1.0! Great!
20:44 sri whats wrong with disneyland?
20:44 yko But what plans about future destiny of  Mojolicious?
20:45 sri whatever we need
20:45 yko He, dunno. newer been at disneyland. Are you going to build one? :)
20:45 sri i think the api needs some time to settle
20:46 sri i would expect more work on documentation
20:46 yko So you plan to keep some time without any changes or something like that?
20:46 sri if we need something it will be added, but no big refactoring
20:48 sri yko: what do you think we should do next? :)
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20:49 yko No, no. I'm just asking
20:49 sri there are many small things i want to polish
20:49 sri like tag helpers
20:49 sri and i've been thinking about a REST shell
20:50 yko Actually i think we should sit back, relax, drink some (whine|rum|milk), smoke sigars and from time to time polish small things :)
20:50 sri mojo shell http://mojolicio.us
20:50 sri cd /perldoc
20:50 sri GET
20:50 sri cd ../foo
20:50 sri POST foo=bar
20:50 diegok sri: hm, how to manage ws on the shell?
20:51 yko Hmm. sounds interesting. Stuff for debugging?
20:51 sri ws would prolly need its own shell
20:52 yko or just WS; SEND bla-bla
20:52 sri you would need to work with meta keys
20:52 yko ohm.. then yes
20:53 sri reminds me to check the hybi list
20:53 sri updating teh websocket implementation will also be necessary soon
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21:13 nagval POST foo=bar | grep title
21:14 nagval sri: Good idea!
21:15 sri hmm, css3 selectors instead of grep :)
21:16 sri POST foo=bar | div > p:first-child
21:19 nagval sri: Cool. I dreamed about Web REPL. ;)
21:19 tempire mojo shell is an excellent idea.
21:19 nagval 2.0 will rock da web w0r1d.
21:20 sri leetspeek...burn him!
21:20 nagval We need to steal all good ideas from everywhere and create many own ideas. ;))
21:20 tempire "shell> open previous" could open the most recent transaction in $EDITOR
21:20 nagval No, no, please. ;)
21:20 * kvorg puts the torch to nagval.
21:21 nagval is now known as su-bzero
21:21 su-bzero I'll freeze you!
21:21 su-bzero Ha-ha-ha.
21:21 * kvorg climb in an aroured (web) shell.
21:21 * kvorg climbs in an armoured (web) shell.
21:21 kvorg darn, too many typos ... i lost like 20% of the blxxdy sentence.
21:21 * yko drinks some more rum.
21:22 rhaen :)
21:22 rhaen more rum! harr harr harrr
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21:22 rhaen Do what you want cause a pirate is free
21:22 sri oh noes, not that again
21:23 rhaen hahaha
21:23 rhaen sri: but hej, it has been proven to be webscale
21:23 rhaen is mojo webscale?
21:23 rhaen If mojo is webscale I will use it
21:23 sri http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
21:24 * yko sings 'We don't afraid of a grey wo-olf... grey wo-o-olf!'
21:25 su-bzero yko: Cause we are bears, we are bears!!! ;)
21:25 su-bzero Good night, mojoers.
21:25 sri nn
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22:09 bphillips hi - I just tried installing MojoX::Renderer::TT and got the following test error: Can't locate object method "helper" via "Mojolicious::Controller" (I have a fresh Mojo v1.0 install).  Any suggestions?
22:12 sri bphillips: seems the version on cpan is outdated
22:12 bphillips which dist?
22:12 bphillips TT?
22:13 sri MojoX::Renderer::TT
22:13 sri ye
22:13 bphillips ok
22:13 sri i wish someone would just fork and take it over
22:14 sri it is still using apis that are deprecated for half a year :S
22:15 sri to emulate a feature that is now part of the core
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22:18 jawnsy hi o/
22:19 jawnsy what's with all the bundled .pngs in Mojolicious::Static?
22:19 * sri waves
22:19 sri they are for 404 and /perldoc
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22:19 * bphillips 's motivation fades
22:19 jawnsy I'm updating Mojolicious for the 1.0 release, for the Debian package
22:20 sri \o/
22:20 jawnsy will it still work if I strip out that .png stuff?
22:20 jawnsy Debian isn't a fan of having stuff in there that isn't in the "preferred source format"
22:20 sri would look ugly, but should work
22:21 sri it basically kills the "experience"
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22:21 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.0 released... Ммм!" --Spear5030 http://twitter.com/Spear503​0/status/19155919275294720
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22:24 rhaen waaaa! Debian!
22:25 rhaen why can't they just leave the source as it is?
22:26 rhaen sorry folks - I know it's unfair but do we need another "enhanced package" as the openssh package?
22:27 sri hehe
22:27 perlrocks Twitter: "Сообщество ru_perl в LiveJournal: Mojolicious 1.0 http://ff.im/vSt0D" (sw) --planetperlru http://twitter.com/planetper​lru/status/19157316133724161
22:27 rhaen With prepatched entropy? To make sure it "fits" into the distribution?
22:27 * sri is not a fan of mutilated packages either
22:28 rhaen <-- NetBSD maintainer
22:28 rhaen huah, I need to have a short meeting with the zerg
22:28 rhaen brb
22:29 * sri thought marcus wanted to update the TT renderer
22:29 sri or was it yko?
22:30 jawnsy meh, I'm talking to the Debian Perl greybeards now, we'll see if it's necessary
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22:30 jawnsy how do you guys change the images around? do you have some script to take the image, base64 it, and add it to the module?
22:31 jawnsy the problem is that Debian wants to be able to build everything from source, so I think at the very least there needs to be a way to (during build) do the .png -> base64 -> module.. stuff
22:31 LaidBack_01 sri: Say, I notice you are one of (maybe the originator) creators of Catalyst.  Why did you move on?
22:31 jawnsy (and if the original image was created in something else like GIMP, which would be the preferred format, then we'd need the source gimp files too)
22:32 jawnsy other option: will it work if we just include binary .png files externally?
22:32 sri jawnsy: nope, they stay base64 all the time
22:32 jawnsy sri: .. and if you guys need to make modifications to the images?
22:33 sri LaidBack_01: long story short, i wanted to innovate
22:33 jawnsy in fairness, Mojolicious++ # not so many changing deps as compared to Catalyst
22:33 jawnsy ... which makes us happy from a Debian perspective, at least :-)
22:33 LaidBack_01 fair enough.  I'm still very much a perl newb... working a lot with catalyst, and secondarily bricolage
22:33 sri the images were drawn in commercial apps
22:34 sri Sketch and Pixelmator
22:34 LaidBack_01 weird... I don't think I'd ever depend on distro pkgs for perl anything...
22:34 kvorg rhaen: if you really need to get the pngs out, would it be very very difficult to package them in .png into a share/ dir and change the generate command to encode them?
22:35 sri jawnsy: does theimage license even fit into debian?
22:35 LaidBack_01 I use linux mint for home desktop & laptop, and freebsd at work servers.  I use localized perl installs in both locations because I'm just not quite sure that the distros can possibly keep up with cpan.
22:35 jawnsy heh, no-commercial... so, sri, nope, those licenses don't fit our criteria for DFSG
22:35 sri then you have to kill them anyway
22:36 jawnsy so if we don't just strip out those images wholesale, we'll have to move the whole package to non-free
22:36 * kvorg is sad.
22:36 sri is there a debian friendly way to protect the brand?
22:37 kvorg lucky you have not reserved the name and made some restrictions, or else debian would have to rebrand it into meekalotion
22:37 * sri suspects not
22:37 kvorg ach, we thought along the same lines
22:37 * sri wonders how they packaged rails
22:37 sri it has non free images too
22:38 jawnsy this is a good question sri
22:38 jawnsy I'll see
22:41 jawnsy hm, there's lots of NMUs against it
22:41 jawnsy the package just looks like it's not being maintained properly
22:41 jawnsy e.g. we probably just didn't catch rails shipping those files...
22:41 sri heh
22:43 jawnsy s/e.g./i.e./;
22:43 perlrocks Twitter: "Did it come Mojolicious 1.0" (ja) --kuusou_kyokusen http://twitter.com/kuusou_kyok​usen/status/19161517073104896
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22:45 perlrocks Twitter: "Changes now look. Mojolicious-> session that I used signed_cookie You? That is a strange being discontinued." (ja) --kuusou_kyokusen http://twitter.com/kuusou_kyok​usen/status/19161934226001920
22:47 sri !tweet @kuusou_kyokusen Only the "session" attribute has been deprecated, not the controller method.
22:47 perlrocks sri: http://twitter.com/perlrock​s/status/19162414423482368
22:48 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: Renderer's handler, helper What do you mean it's obsolete. Submit an debug log file become static like this." (ja) --kuusou_kyokusen http://twitter.com/kuusou_kyok​usen/status/19162699275444226
22:49 sri i'd really like to answer his questions, if only he spoke a language i understood :(
22:52 perlrocks Twitter: "♻ @kraih Released #mojolicious 1.0! :) http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-10-released #perl" --pickm http://twitter.com/pickm/status/19163649914445824
22:52 sri and another RT version :S
22:53 perlrocks Twitter: "@ Perlrocks All right. I was confused between Mojlicious and Mojolicious:: Controller." (ja) --kuusou_kyokusen http://twitter.com/kuusou_kyok​usen/status/19163806307450880
22:53 sri :)
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23:15 rhaen back
23:15 rhaen oh my god. still the debian discussion?
23:16 * rhaen eyes his SC2 installation.
23:16 * sri has deleted SC2
23:16 rhaen sri: oh :(
23:16 rhaen ok.
23:17 sri angry birds forever!
23:17 rhaen angry birds?
23:18 rhaen Do you talk about the butterfly - the new perl logo?
23:18 rhaen what was it's nameß
23:18 rhaen ?
23:18 rhaen debian?
23:18 sri http://itunes.apple.com/de/app​/angry-birds/id343200656?mt=8
23:18 sri best game ever made
23:19 rhaen hm. I don't have an iPhone.
23:19 sri think there's an android version too
23:20 rhaen oh I don't have such a phone.
23:20 sri :o
23:20 rhaen I am using an old Nokia
23:20 rhaen but I DO have an ipod!
23:20 sri :)
23:20 rhaen but I am in desperate need of a pair of headphones
23:20 rhaen maybe I should get the spare parts for my old one.
23:20 rhaen Sennheiser PX 200
23:23 jawnsy Rails stuff looks licensed MIT... I assume including the pictures?
23:23 jawnsy I can't find a separate license for Ruby or Rails' images, that would qualify as non-free
23:24 jawnsy though it surprises me a little that Ruby's License is considered DFSG-free at all...
23:24 rhaen hm, what's exactly the problem with mojo?
23:25 jawnsy two: first, the images aren't in the "preferred modification format", e.g. at the very least they should just be normal .png files that can be base64 encoded into Mojolicious::Static as part of the build
23:25 jawnsy but secondly, and more importantly, the files are CC-NC-ND, which is not DFSG-free
23:26 rhaen haha - true
23:27 jawnsy hmm
23:27 jawnsy will Mojolicious still work if I just grab the Mojolicious::Static implementation from 0.999950?
23:27 jawnsy it looks like it should...
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23:28 rhaen oh come on - you' won't patch Mojo from different versions
23:28 rhaen can't mojo be included in the non-free section?
23:29 jawnsy yup, but that's not ideal
23:29 jawnsy non-free stuff is kind of a second-class citizen
23:29 rhaen well, anyone out there enables this part anyway.
23:30 rhaen I am still looking for the CC-NC-ND part
23:30 jawnsy in the POD for Mojolicious::Static
23:30 jawnsy http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/Mojoli​cious-1.0/lib/Mojolicious/Static.pm
23:31 jawnsy also, the way jquery.js and prettify.js are included in Mojolicious::Static is not very good for security support
23:31 jawnsy when an app requires those files, we usually make sure the system-installed versions are used instead, so that we only have one package to support if there are security issues, rather than several
23:32 rhaen hm.
23:32 sri just make it non-free then
23:33 rhaen I would opt for the non-free option, too
23:33 jawnsy if I'm n ot mistaken, this doesn't fix the first issue
23:33 rhaen hahaha - now I have a good reason why I am not packaging mojo for NetBSD :)
23:33 jawnsy which is that the embedded crap in Mojolicious::Static isn't particularly conducive to being modified
23:33 kvorg sri: how difficult would it be, for you, in the future to change the way the images are distributed? not the licence, but the use of preferred format.
23:34 sri patches that don't make my life harder welcome
23:34 kvorg sri: this is silly. if you distribute the images in the preferrend format with the source, the problem goes away
23:34 rhaen hm, is he doing just because of debian?
23:34 sri if you have solutions shoot
23:35 rhaen Just because debian has a problem with its guidelines?
23:35 kvorg just stick the images in the package into shared/docs/imgs and state somewhere they are the same images
23:35 kvorg the license still does not match
23:35 rhaen true
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23:36 sri the idea of changing the code to suit a distribution better sounds a bit backwards though
23:36 kvorg debian guidelines are a bitch, but if you manage to squeeze through, many little things get easier in the future, and there are many distros pulling form debian, not just ubuntu
23:36 sri kvorg: umm, and how do we serve them automatically?
23:36 jawnsy the Policy says that non-free packages: must meet all policy requirements presented in this manual that it is possible for them to meet. [4]
23:36 jawnsy I'm not sure if this is a bit of a loophole, in that preferred source format bit...
23:37 kvorg u don't ever change the static at all, u serve them from the base64 encoded versions, but you provide the preferred format with the source
23:37 rhaen hm, ok - just to make it clear :) I don't have a problem with debian, however I think the distributions should support the author of software - not the other way round.
23:37 jawnsy kvorg: that's still problematic.. we have no way of making sure that the version in the .pm is the same as the files provided
23:37 sri makes my life harder
23:37 kvorg that would not require a change in static at all
23:37 sri i don't want to keep multiple copies updated just for debian
23:37 jawnsy agreed
23:38 jawnsy so is it possible to take a file, base64 encode it and put it in the .pm using a script?
23:38 sri i could just as well add empty images and state they are the same ;p
23:38 kvorg jawnsy: except of course if you stick a script in the debian/build which deencodes the files and writes the pngs while building the package
23:38 rhaen kvorg: *urgs* - really?
23:38 kvorg the idea is not to change anything on the sri's side, this is a problem fixable with the package, no?
23:39 rhaen kvorg: take a simple tarball and copy stuff around is the preferred way?
23:39 rhaen I won't package Mojo for NetBSD as I see a license problem with this stuff
23:39 sri rhaen: the real problem is debian policy making us even consider somethign like that
23:39 * kvorg hides behind jawnsy
23:39 rhaen we try to avoid encumbering licenses
23:40 sri rhaen: what cc license is acceptable for netbsd?
23:40 rhaen sri: wait a sec.
23:40 sri rhaen: how do you package firefox?
23:40 rhaen sri: we don't :)
23:40 sri haha
23:40 kvorg the preferred format is an important item there, stemming from the FSF policies, since it keeps people from changing the source, running it through some preprocessors and then dumping the compilable but unreadable result as the the source to comply with GPL.
23:40 rhaen sri: we use either the linux package or build the vanilla build :)
23:41 jawnsy kvorg: it's not easily fixable from Debian, it seems like anything we do will be a hack :-)
23:41 kvorg the problem here is that it is nitpicking, since all the preferred formats are accesible through mojolicious
23:41 rhaen sri: what I like about the state right now is that everything is included inside the distribution
23:41 rhaen images, js jquery stuff, etc.
23:42 sri i like that we don't have a build process
23:42 kvorg but the distribution is actually serving the preferred format files form any appliation it ever makes!
23:42 sri unpack and go
23:42 jawnsy hm
23:42 rhaen so I can install it from source and it works right off the box.
23:42 jawnsy okay, how about this sri.. if you guys include the original source .png files, we can add something in our build to generate the base64 stuff from those .pngs
23:42 rhaen I don't even have to install it, I can copy it to a shared webspace and run my CGIs from it
23:42 jawnsy i.e. replace the stuff in __DATA__ with stuff we generate from the .pngs you supply
23:43 sri jawnsy: backwards again, i don't want to invent a build process to comply with debian policies
23:43 kvorg jawnsy: why not the other way around, since all you have to do is wget the files from a mojolicios app and store them in a file while you are packaging the deb?
23:44 kvorg sri might even prepare a perl solution as a form of a test
23:44 sri tbh. i don't think anyone would want to use a hacked up version of mojolicious
23:45 jawnsy well, I'm not sure then
23:45 jawnsy perhaps the best option is just to remove libmojolicious-perl
23:45 sri yea
23:45 kvorg sri: but it would not be changed in any way, just the package would have, together with the usual debian README and package Changes files, a couple of static files in a shared dir
23:45 jawnsy why are the files included as part of the .pm anyway?
23:45 rhaen jawnsy: because they are served that way.
23:46 kvorg so that the pm can serve them directly
23:46 sri kvorg: well, in that case i don't care :)
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23:46 rhaen more like a feature than something weird.
23:46 jawnsy does it yield some performance benefit over doing it the normal way? o.O
23:46 sri easier to package
23:46 kvorg jawnsy: you do realize that any mojo app will happily serve those files over HTTP for your fun an pleasure?
23:47 rhaen hm, I can understand the jquery thing, btw.
23:47 kvorg the security point?
23:48 rhaen right. The "glueing" of stuff isn't the best option for a maintainer
23:48 kvorg what i don't know is how a system-installed jquery instance is to be accessed
23:48 sri go away with your problems, i want solutions
23:48 rhaen however, it's a way of an author to keep things in sync and working
23:48 jawnsy Debian's release policy is different from CPAN's.. we have to support old stuff, provide security fixes, etc.
23:48 kvorg if i knew that, i would suggest to make the use of the system jquery something mojo tries to do, and make the package depend on it.
23:49 kvorg then the same Mojolicious source would work on Debian according to policy, and elsewhere or with direct installs would continue to work with no modification.
23:49 sri debian has a system jquery?
23:49 jawnsy yep
23:49 rhaen kvorg: *ugh* by using if statements...
23:49 jawnsy libjs-jquery or something
23:50 jawnsy libjs-jquery - JavaScript library for dynamic web applications
23:50 sri haha, now find a way to make external jquery lib work with cpan
23:50 kvorg puts stuff in /usr/share/javascript/jquery/
23:50 jawnsy sri: if you have it look for the file on disk, we can just symlink that to the real jquery file
23:50 jawnsy unfortunately, prettify isn't packaged :(
23:51 sri now give me a portable way to handle bundled static files
23:51 sri installed, not installed, packaged
23:52 jawnsy File::ShareDir?
23:52 jawnsy I dunno.
23:52 kvorg and there shall be version problems ...
23:52 sri mojolicious is often simply included as a git submodule, so that needs to work too
23:53 * jawnsy bangs head on desk
23:53 rhaen hm, File:ShareDir is a dependency, I think that won't help
23:54 sri i think sharedir is the crap we invented for catalyst back in the days, it never worked so well
23:55 sri yea, seems based on the module::install extension i wrote
23:55 sri well, like i said, i'm only interested in solutions
23:55 jawnsy in fairness, Mojolicious probably doesn't really require a Debian package, since it doesn't have lots of deps or anything like that
23:55 * sri nods
23:55 jawnsy so just removing it may not be that much of a bad thing
23:56 kvorg jawnsy: it is so installable it is embarassing, while I can cherish packaging for things like catalyst, which are not
23:57 rhaen well, I am not the author, however, mojo had so much releases in the past that it might be a good thing to not include it in any distribution at all
23:57 jawnsy I'm just lazy, I like to be able to: apt-get install
23:57 kvorg on the other hand, if that is not too embarassing, one could make a non-free package that is more of a helper to get cpan and all the recommended packages
23:57 kvorg it is not just being lazy, people actually search for software with apt and related packages
23:57 sri it's the old debian vs cpan problem
23:57 kvorg one gets to assume everything is packaged
23:57 sri or any distribution
23:58 kvorg i'd like to find a description of mojolicious with apt-cache search web.*framework
23:58 rhaen sri: true - I was fighting windmill in NetBSD in maintaining perl packages
23:59 rhaen +s
23:59 kvorg even if the package just gives me " curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - http://latest.mojolicio.us"

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