Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-01-07

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03:31 perlrocks Twitter: "... 入Renakya Mojolicious 1.01." (ja) --kuusou_kyokusen http://twitter.com/kuusou_kyok​usen/status/23220227231711233
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05:02 perlrocks Twitter: "3 hours ago I had a cli. Now I also have a sweet #mojolicious cloud management reporting web frontend. #perl" --fsfiii http://twitter.com/fsfiii/status/23242973009412096
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06:40 * sri yawns
06:41 omega don't we all
06:41 purl I don't!
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06:41 omega of course you don't purl, you're a bot
06:43 sri :)
06:43 * sri hugs purl
06:43 * purl hugs sri back
06:43 sri marcus: yea, you're my backup ;p
06:43 * omega hums "love is in the air"
06:44 sri marcus: you even have cpan permissions for everything
06:44 * sri blushes
06:46 sri yko, garu: the basic idea is to have Mojo::URL work just like relative urls in html
06:46 sri 1.01 might have that right now
06:47 sri garu: you can always add your own helper to generate whatever you like
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07:05 sri looks like apple screwed up big time with the mac app store
07:05 sri http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011​/01/why-the-mac-app-store-sucks/
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07:36 Christian morning
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08:03 sri moin
08:03 Christian moin
08:05 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious vs. rays" (fr) --rin1024 http://twitter.com/rin1024​/status/23289188153561088
08:06 sri pew pew?
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08:22 sri ok, mst power abuse has to stop, i'm afraid i might have to rant :/
08:22 sri he was spreading FUD over in #perl and silenced me trying to clear things up
08:26 mxey sri: Correct me if I am wrong, but it looked like he wanted to help the guy while you tried to advertise Mojo.
08:26 mxey Using a +q to achieve might be considered abuse of op rights though, but spreading FUD?
08:26 mxey Please elaborate.
08:30 sri "09:04] mst: bayati: though bear in mind the Mojo:: stuff requires installing an entire web system so most people who use perl libraries normally avoid it"
08:31 sri "09:05] mst: _sri: 'most' is not innacurate.
08:31 sri [09:05] mst: not from the conversations I've had with people."
08:31 sri doesn't get much more FUD than that
08:35 sri mst has gone too far a few times now, and it might be time to call him out on it
08:38 sri actually i've had a discussion with timtoady about mst already when he banned someone else
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08:44 sri gonna let it cool down first and collect more evidence
08:49 sri lol, looks like i'm not the only one collecting evidence against mst
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09:15 sri mxey: you do realize he asked a mojolicious question right?
09:15 mxey sri: No, I thought he just wanted to parse HTML.
09:15 mxey What was his original question?
09:16 mxey I do not want to point fingers at either one of you, I just want to understand your viewpoints.
09:16 mxey or in this conversation, your viewpoint.
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09:30 sri mxey: original question was "[09:02] Why do i get this: Can't locate Mojo/DOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains...."
09:31 mxey I see.
09:32 sri the big problem is actually to call mst out without seriously harming the perl community as a whole
09:33 mxey Why?
09:34 sri because it would show huge problems in the perl eco system
09:36 sri there is a huge void at the top of the perl community, nobody in control
09:37 mxey Which positions does mst hold?
09:37 sri cpan is the biggest feature of perl, showing flaws will surely not help its reputation
09:38 sri mxey: all
09:38 mxey Oo
09:41 mxey Anything else I should know?
09:42 sri there is so much you wouldn't believe it
09:46 mxey Try me.
09:46 sri don't think that would be constructive
09:47 mxey You are probably right.
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10:28 sri sorry for being offtopic, that doesn't belong into this channel
10:30 sri http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf # back on topic :)
10:32 yko :)
10:37 sri is anyone still having problems with relative urls in 1.01?
10:42 yko sri: i tested it placing app in subdir under apache and was happy
10:42 sri \o/
10:43 yko to achieve similar behavior half year ago i did really dirty hacks
10:43 sri quite sure the spammy guy from the list must be doing something wrong
10:51 yko i'ts a little unobvious. people expect '/' to be real root
10:51 yko and i have feeling that from time to time newbies will cry about that
10:53 yko also i need to look how urls behave if app lives behind nginx under subdir
10:53 yko that's one more use case that can bring a lot of headache, but i don't think it will be widely used
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11:07 sri yko: wouldn't that just be http?
11:08 sri http requests have no base path
11:26 yko yes, it is. if for example you have similar configuration: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Moj​olicious/Guides/Cookbook#Nginx
11:27 yko but 'location' is not '/' but '/foo' for example, app should have all routes behind waypoint('foo') or something like that
11:28 sri ok, but thats beyond our control
11:28 yko but i don't think it's not a really good use case
11:28 yko yes
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13:14 sri so silent, must be weekend again :)
13:15 yko holydays in slav lands :p
13:15 sri you slackers
13:15 yko ye.
13:15 yko nobody works here untill 10th :)
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13:28 GitHub138 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * f869754 (1 files in 1 dirs): added test - http://bit.ly/gnuSWN
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13:29 sri turns out he really misunderstood something
13:30 mxey Who?
13:32 sri the spammy guy
13:38 sri https://github.com/kraih/m​ojo/issues/closed#issue/55
13:41 yko oh. as i understand, that's relative-url-related stuff?
13:42 sri not so much
13:42 sri more general cgi interpretation stuff
13:43 sri while there is a cgi rfc, nobody respects it
13:43 sri so you basically have to trial and error until at some point your code works with most servers
13:43 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/ma​ster/lib/Mojo/Message/Request.pm#L242
13:44 sri read that sub if you want to know more :)
13:44 sri good stuff is at the end
13:44 yko damn...
13:44 yko so much fixes
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13:45 sri yea, thats why i try to collect as many env examples as possible for t/mojo/message.t
13:45 yko i remember years ago i reported something bout detecting CGI under lighthttp or something like that
13:45 sri i've seen stuff change between minor versions of apache
13:46 yko wow... that's terrible :(
13:46 yko dealing with such troubles i understand why to read spec before implement something
13:47 yko just "i wrote some code, tested it against one of servers: it works!" not enough -_-
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13:47 yko but that way looks so easy, so attractive
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14:53 perlrocks Twitter: "1.01 a helper in the title had been added. (If we consider the compatibility stash title => 'Welcome!' It looks like it) / Mojolicious:: Plugin:: DefaultHelpers - s ... http://htn.to/eKLyEw" (ja) --kits_ http://twitter.com/kits_/status/23391725292625920
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15:27 garu is there a way to do capture several arguments already split into an array? get '/foo/(*bar)/baz' returns a string in param('bar') and I'm feeling lazy :P
15:30 yko emm. not sure if i udnerstand you, but you are right, you are lazy :p
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15:42 garu hehehe
15:42 garu yko: I mean I want M:Lite to split '/', $self->param('bar') for me :)
15:44 yko you see, i'm right :) do it yourself, slacker! at least you can use Mojo::Path to parse that param
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16:18 Christian wonderful weekend to you all
16:18 Christian cu
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16:57 * sri wonders if anyone has used Mojo::Content::Multipart for mail yet
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17:00 yko don't think so
17:01 yko only sharifulin who has mojolicious-plugin-mail doing something mail-related,but he has something terrible in his code
17:02 sri i'll have to play a bit with mail soon, should be fun
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18:36 marcus Not my definition of fun.
18:37 marcus Sri: been playing with mst again?
18:40 sri marcus: he took his ball and left
18:40 marcus Sri: didnt kick you out of the court?
18:41 sri i was allowed to watch -.-
18:41 marcus Kind. Freenode perl?
18:41 sri ye
18:42 sri somehow he managed to take it over
18:45 marcus Well, he seems to be on irc helping people 18 hours a day
18:45 marcus It probably helps.
18:45 sri and timtoady wants me to find a better sheriff before he intervenes :S
18:45 sri sadly most regulars there would be even worse
18:45 marcus Yeah.. That is how.
18:46 sri merlyn would have been a good choice, but he refused :(
18:46 marcus His guys control #perl on this network too.
18:47 marcus I am not sure merlyn would have been better.
18:47 sri what doesn't he control?
18:47 mateu big brother is watching ;)
18:48 marcus Well, we are ircing from his server, so he can probably read this.
18:48 marcus And he is a cpan admin...
18:48 marcus What else is there?
18:48 * mateu prepares to go into the high country and leave electricity behind..
18:48 marcus The foundation, i gurss.
18:48 sri i have like 50 records of him abusing power from many sources
18:49 marcus mmm.
18:49 sri but there is really nothing that could be done
18:50 marcus Well, most of the time he does the right thing.
18:50 marcus As you say, most others would be worse.
18:51 marcus And there are other irc and cpan admins that could question bad decisions.
18:52 sri doubt that anyone cares
18:52 marcus Well, if he did something grossly destructive they would.
18:53 marcus Petty fights with you, maybe not.
18:53 sri yea
18:55 marcus Ooohm
18:55 marcus Seen sickbeard.com?
18:55 purl I haven't seen 'sickbeard.com', marcus
18:56 sri sick
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19:14 perlrocks Twitter: "#Mojolicious Documentation #Closing #Grant Report http://bit.ly/g42TEs" --perl_twitch http://twitter.com/perl_twit​ch/status/23457468226994176
19:18 perlrocks Twitter: "# Mojolicious 1.01: TLS goodness http://bit.ly/f7DoxX" (sw) --perl_twitch http://twitter.com/perl_twit​ch/status/23458455369031680
19:20 perlrocks Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel (sri): # Mojolicious 1.01: TLS goodness http://bit.ly/f7DoxX" (sw) --perl_twitch http://twitter.com/perl_twit​ch/status/23459001253494786
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19:27 yko sri: grats
19:34 sri yko: what did i do?
19:45 Quai I guess this is known, but cpanmin.us fails to install mojo without libcrypt-ssleay-perl or similar
19:46 sri that depends on the http backend it is using
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20:55 marcus I really like Alfred
20:55 marcus was worth getting the power pack as well
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21:37 sri wow, bbedit is still damn popular
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21:41 sri well, these days it actually looks better than textmate -.-
21:42 yko <3 vim
21:43 yko :)
21:43 sri go away you hippie!
21:43 * yko hipps
21:47 yko the only thing which wirth to buy mac it's ommwriter :p
21:48 yko *worth # and only before i try it
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21:52 sri :o
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22:15 marcus yko: get an ipad and ia writer instead.
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22:39 perlrocks Twitter: "Just installed #mojolicious . I have a feeling my life will never be the same. #perl" --jamiepopkin http://twitter.com/jamiepopk​in/status/23508984921067521
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23:11 perlrocks Twitter: "#perl lovers unite. #mojolicious is totally awesome. http://mojolicious.org/" --jamiepopkin http://twitter.com/jamiepopk​in/status/23517218197209088

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