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morning |
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zipkid |
Hello |
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purl |
que tal, zipkid. |
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zipkid |
Not much purl. |
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hi. |
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mateu: yes, it affects the client side |
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sri |
but it is a general http vulnerability, not just websockets |
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yawns |
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sri: what are you up to? |
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marcus |
no good"! |
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crab: no good |
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crab |
hm. i need some advice. i set out to write a mojolicious app that would serve as a "foundation" for my other projects. |
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crab |
the idea was that i would implement things like user authentication, "reset password", etc. which i need always in this app. then i'd pull it into some specific-project's repository, rename it and add whatever new features to it. |
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sri |
make those general purpose plugins |
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crab |
but now it turns out that if i do the rename, then i can't conveniently merge new changes from the upstream repository with git. it turns out that avoiding renames would be a good idea. |
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crab |
hm. i'm not sure i can turn them all into plugins. |
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crab |
maybe i can. maybe the rest can be in a "generate crab_app"-type script. |
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crab |
blah. |
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crab |
so detour() is experimental |
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GitHub152 |
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sri |
crab: well, truly reusable applications are mostly a myth so far |
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sri |
they only exist on a much higher level, like a content management system |
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sri |
on the mojolicious layer you reuse code in plugins |
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sri |
mojolicious is way too flexible by default, you want many more constraints |
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crab |
maybe i can supply default controllers etc. and let the user-app inherit from them and make changes if needed |
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crab |
but then the problem is that the plugin will need to be changed to refer to the derived controller(s) |
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crab: question is what do you want to achieve |
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yko |
you may create default controller classes, or just a controller classes and then use base '...' |
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yko |
that is a thing i usually do. anyway if your app is going to grow having own base controller class is a good point |
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yko |
that is why i have fat_app generator - just to store stuff useful for myself :) |
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sri |
clean reusable components are the oldest problem in the web framework universe, and nobody has really solved it yet |
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yko |
looks like that. with reusable componnets you are always tied to some model, data structure, database engine and so on |
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sri |
yes, you need constraints |
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yko |
so you are chained to mysql and few mandatory tables, or you component is dan flexible but therefore damn heavy and hard to understand |
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and for sure you need to solve few years to develop it, fix all bugs and make work |
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would like a higher level framework using mojolicious and mongodb |
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yko |
and then after things are done you look arround and see: html8 arround and nobody (even you) needs your kewl component, same as you - grouchy old man :) |
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sri |
:o |
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yko |
sri, im not talking about you :) |
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yko |
you still are so.... well, you know :)) |
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already dispatched a bunch of terminators |
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yko |
it would really interesting to see next level in mojo -> mojolicious -> ... |
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yko |
oh, i remember you told that mojo is that level that should allow optimization like speedup for cgi |
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yko |
but actually cut off mojo is what mojolicious need for speedup in cgi mode :) |
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is talking too much today. |
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sri |
:D |
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sri |
that grew back quickly :o |
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yko |
ye. actually i was illustrating how does cgi optimization works |
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crab |
i have no problem being "chained to" postgres (in my case) and a few mandatory tables, that's what i *want* |
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sri |
btw. i'm quite sure the next layer in mojo -> mojolicious -> ... will be a "full-stack" plugin for mongodb |
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crab |
what does that mean? |
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purl |
You're a nut! You're crazy in the coconut! |
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* sri |
pats purl |
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* purl |
pats sri back, harder |
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purrs |
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sri |
that means i'm going to try something new |
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crab |
do tell. |
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sri |
plugin 'full_stack'; |
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crab |
yko: what is this fat app generator? |
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sri |
and you'll have something comparable to rails and django |
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crab |
or where, perhaps |
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yko |
crab: http://bit.ly/e9qU38 |
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yko |
usually i generate new projects from there |
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sri |
i don't know exactly where it will lead, but i'll make using mongodb as easy as installing mojolicious itself |
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yko |
to be honest, it's mostly for own use, so you can see thing you won't like |
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crab |
interesting. |
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crab |
sri: why do you like mongodb more than riak now? |
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sri |
flexibility |
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purl |
flexibility is probably only useful so much as it is useful. or http://web.mit.edu/tkd/html/stretching_toc.html |
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sri |
mongodb is unique because it combines schema-less storage with ad-hoc queries |
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sri |
i have no doubt it will become the next big mainstream database |
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sri |
(for web apps) |
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chansen |
the word schema-less scares me ;P |
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sri |
♥ document oriented databases |
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crab |
huh. so either setup is going to be a pain, or repeated merging is going to be a pain. |
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sri |
? |
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crab |
for me, i mean. for my frameworky code. |
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sri |
ah |
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sri |
btw. the aljazeera iphone app is really good |
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sri |
flawless live streaming |
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GitHub28 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 9f04375 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed typo - http://bit.ly/eK0gp2 |
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sri |
interesting |
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sri |
Mojo::JSON seems quite a bit faster than JSON::PP |
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sri |
not that it matters :) |
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sri |
but another reason not to throw it away once JSON::PP becomes a core module |
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GitHub60 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * ac8bad5 (1 files in 1 dirs): made Mojo::JSON slightly faster - http://bit.ly/gDMH02 |
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marcus |
NEED FOR SPEED |
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purl |
hmmm... NEED FOR SPEED is a godsend. or http://bbspot.com/News/2003/12/nfs_bsd.html |
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yko |
btw, silly question: $self = $_[0] should be faster thatn $self = shift? |
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sri |
no |
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sri |
slower |
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sri |
(afair) |
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yko |
v5.10.1 n:10000000 $_[0]: 4.45 CPU @_: 4.60 CPU shift: 4.62 CPU |
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yko |
but i may do something wrong |
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yko |
https://gist.github.com/ab9e38849dc551a740dd |
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anyway, difference is no more than 5%. doesn't matter actually |
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sri |
interesting |
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sri |
it changes each perl release :) |
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yko |
results are similar on linux v5.10.1 and windows v5.12.2 @_ is most slow, but $_[0] is a little bit faster than shift :) |
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sri |
in 5.10.0 shift wins here |
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yko |
sri: exactly :) |
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yko |
it also can be platform related, no? |
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sri |
no idea |
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yko |
a also love that stuff: https://gist.github.com/9abff820fd7afbc373eb |
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yko |
sometimes may be usefull, but sometimes may confuse, i know |
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yko |
*useful :) |
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Christian |
there is something in mojo like that: % template 'message'; to include a little bis code from another file |
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Christian |
bis = bit |
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crab |
include? |
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purl |
include is a shallow copy |
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yko |
Christian: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]Partial_Templates |
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Christian |
thx |
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Christian |
very nice |
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yko |
btw, <%= memorize include 'nav' %> will run include only once and than reuse rendered result from cache? |
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Christian |
why the question mark? |
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Christian |
and very nice to know |
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yko |
looks like that, except syntax should be memorize sub { include 'nav' } |
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yko |
or <%= memorize begin %><%= include 'nav' %><% end %> |
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yko |
Christian: was not sure, that's why checked |
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crab |
wow |
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yko |
i think it can be a good practice for keeping even static template parts in separate files and don't slow down rendering |
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yko |
from other hand it requires careful handling ad reloading your app after changing such static parts |
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yko |
from third hand (ye, Chernobyl™) if you are running under hypnotoad it should be as easy as kill -s USR2 |
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sri |
memorize is best used with a block |
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Christian |
yes you're right, it needs a careful handling |
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GitHub95 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * e79d221 (10 files in 3 dirs): pod cleanup - http://bit.ly/e1SKVA |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]tHelpers#memorize |
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sri |
much more linking now! |
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sri |
:) |
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yko |
wow! |
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Christian |
crazy shit! |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/DOM looks funny now, with the selector overview |
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Christian |
^^ |
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sri |
but not all links work |
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sri |
not sure what to do about those |
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yko |
sri: which ones didn't? |
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sri |
selectors |
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yko |
that's about special characters replaced with '_' i think |
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sri |
it is |
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sri |
and i'm unsure how to fix it |
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yko |
just keep it as is :) |
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yko |
is it possible just to escape specials? |
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sri |
everything is possible |
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yko |
will check |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "tempire at blogs.perl.org: Mojolicious Plugins http://bit.ly/exqcFB" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnews/s[…]24846520146726912 |
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sri |
i have a solution, it's not that pretty though |
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yko |
something like md5_hex? :) |
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sri |
;p |
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GitHub122 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 11f7613 (2 files in 2 dirs): improved documentation browser slightly - http://bit.ly/e9NG9L |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/DOM#E_7E_F |
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sri |
\o/ |
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yko |
sri++ |
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GitHub53 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * bec2f84 (1 files in 1 dirs): added any selector example - http://bit.ly/feyEKa |
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yko |
:)) |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Tweaked the #mojolicious documentation a bit, table of contents for Mojo::DOM looks quite sleek now. :) http://t.co/cvyNMY9 #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/24850839684255744 |
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crab |
heh, don't panic in large friendly letters |
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Christian |
cu all |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a814484 (1 files in 1 dirs): pod cleanup - http://bit.ly/gCCJVO |
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chansen |
sri: please use a synonym lexicon for "cleanup", I'm getting bored of reading cleanup commit messages ;P |
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sri |
chansen: how about futurama quotes? :) |
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sri |
or a seasonal greeting maybe, "ho ho ho" was rather popular last month |
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chansen |
=) |
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wonders if sri will sue him. |
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marcus |
Get a hitman! |
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alnewkirk |
yow |
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Here we are in America ... when do we collect unemployment? |
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Get a paladin! |
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sri |
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
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yko |
ALL GLORY! |
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yko |
yum yum |
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sri |
alnewkirk: cloud hosting is really easy, making it free is the problem |
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alnewkirk |
sri: what about heroku |
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sri |
they started with 15 million venture capital |
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alnewkirk |
and that ep.io python initiative isnt free, its just in beta |
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alnewkirk |
oh |
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alnewkirk |
lol |
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alnewkirk |
checkout my new toy Validation::Class |
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sri |
when i wrote hypnotoad i already thought about hosting, you could just add one more abstraction layer to sandbox perl |
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sri |
but all research showed that there's simply no market |
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sri |
too many sysadmin types in the perl community i guess |
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sri |
the best you can do i suspect would be an ec2 deployment tool |
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sri |
perl people prefer to be in control |
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alnewkirk |
sri: i agree on all fronts |
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alnewkirk |
i argue we need to try to change the culture of the perl community |
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alnewkirk |
but ... meh |
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sri |
actually i don't think heroku ever earned any money |
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hides in the corner |
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sri |
they burned through venture capital and got bought for 250 million or so |
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sri |
and who knows what salesforce will do with them |
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alnewkirk |
we need more mojolicio.us |
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alnewkirk |
we need to appeal to other types of devs but as you said, perl forces a culture on you |
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alnewkirk |
before perl, i wasnt as much of an elitist scum-sucking quirk jockey, ... thanx perl |
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sri |
a big problem is the perl foundation, which is too apathetic |
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alnewkirk |
so ... lets start a seperate organization (sect) |
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sri |
the other languages still have a bdfl that cares at the top |
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alnewkirk |
they're christian, we're muslim :) |
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sri |
XENU! |
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sri |
starting such an organization is actually a lot of hard work, just look how badly enlightened perl failed |
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there is no shortcut, the only way to change the perl community is by example |
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sri |
do cool stuff, be successful, make them follow |
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yko: oh noes, you've butchered the design! |
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sri |
yko: how do you interact with vim? |
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sri |
seems quite fast |
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sri |
maybe i should just look at the code -.- |
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http://www.hagenburger.net/BLO[…]th-pure-CSS3.html # neat |
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marcus |
HAI |
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marcus |
I LOVE YOIU ALL |
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marcus |
WITH A GREAT BIG LOVE |
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markus: \o/ |
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sri: who's responsible for mojolicio.us (design) |
