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IRC log for #mojo, 2011-01-16

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00:16 sri http://pastie.org/1465275 # still thinking about a nicer template syntax :)
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02:30 tempire well, I'm back from my first perl conference
02:30 tempire some of the talks were extremely basic
02:30 tempire but there were some excellent ones as well
02:31 tempire unfortunately, my ride was lame and left early :(
02:31 tempire BUT
02:31 tempire next year, I'm definitely giving a mojo talk @ perl oasis
02:31 tempire and probably a testing talk about using mock objects & fixtures
02:32 tempire also, I've noticed that moose advocates generally dress the same.
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02:46 tempire And if anyone is looking for a job, multiply.com is looking to hire about 20 perl programmers in ft lauderdale, fl
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03:10 crab what's a fixture?
03:10 purl a fixture is something entirely different
03:25 tempire crab: an expected state of an app for testing
03:26 tempire in this case, I'm referring to populating a db with expected rows
03:26 crab oh. do tell more.
03:27 tempire often an in-memory sqlite db.
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04:52 alnewkirk thanx tempire
04:56 tempire alnewkirk: for what?
04:56 purl for fun.
05:03 * tempire likes fun
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05:51 crab blah and phooey to all this nosql stuff. i'm going to use memcached.
06:07 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious - Web framework for Perl http://www.findbestopensour​ce.com/product/mojolicious # FOSS" (no) --bestopensource http://twitter.com/bestopenso​urce/status/26520957317287936
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07:18 Topic for #mojo is now ♥ Join the revolution! ♥ | http://mojolicio.us | http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo/today
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08:18 yko crab: try redis :p
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09:23 marcus tempire: how does moose advocates dress? Goth style? :)
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12:15 * sri wants to hear more too
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12:53 perlrocks Twitter: "#Mojolicious ftw, it seems so cool :) #perl" --oroce http://twitter.com/oroce/status/26623108177723392
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12:55 * yko gets some popcorn and bugs tempire
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12:59 * sri pokes tempire
13:00 sri hmm, doesn't move
13:15 * sri wonders why "use Mojo::Base -base;" works
13:35 moritz because all your base are belong to Mojo!
13:36 sri use Mojo::Base -all-your;
13:38 moritz before "use strict", base is just a string literal
13:39 moritz hm, no
13:39 sri must be more than that
13:39 sri perl -e 'use strict; use warnings; print -base, "\n"'
13:39 moritz äbase is the literal
13:39 moritz s/ä/-/
13:39 moritz curious
13:40 sri perl -MO=Deparse -e 'use strict; use warnings; print -base, "\n"'
13:40 sri interesting too
14:17 marcus Moo
14:20 * marcus is at a christmas tree party. Lots of running and screaming children.
14:26 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?pe​rlop#Symbolic_Unary_Operators_ # solution btw.
14:27 sri think i heard about those christmas tree parties in scandinavian countries
14:28 sri it was in an IKEA ad :)
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19:24 stephan48 what db frameworks are favorited to use with mojo?
19:25 sri mongodb and orlite are rather popular
19:25 stephan48 need to run against a postgres db :)
19:25 sri i'm working on something new for mongodb
19:26 stephan48 i have 3-5 tables i need to access
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19:28 yko stephan48: sql-like databases are not in favor today
19:29 stephan48 :)
19:29 amonaco hi everyone, is there any documentation on comet (long-pooling) with mojo?
19:29 stephan48 it powers my email system :)
19:29 stephan48 alias database
19:29 purl alias database is for newaliases only
19:29 yko but if you need them, you can use oldschool DBI or some orm's
19:29 yko (on top of dbi :)
19:30 * sri waves
19:30 stephan48 k :)
19:30 yko sri hates sql so much so he even have no DBI.pm on mojolisio.us :)
19:30 stephan48 k
19:30 sri amonaco: not much, the tests in t/mojolicious/longpolling_lite_app.t might help though
19:32 sri amonaco: also http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?​Mojolicious/Controller#write and the method below it
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19:33 sri but you should know how long polling works beforehand
19:34 amonaco thank you sri
19:34 amonaco since I'm using nginx I was thinking of maybe using its http_push module in combination with a pass proxy to the mojo app
19:35 sri doesn't that work the other way around?
19:36 sri as in you need an http client to serve data to http_push
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19:36 sri (mojolicious can do that too, just interested)
19:37 amonaco right, the client runs in the web server using jquery or mootools
19:38 amonaco i intend to use mojo only for, say, to serve nice REST urls and JSON data to the JS client
19:38 sri ah, ok
19:38 amonaco ist that too funky?
19:38 sri not at all
19:39 amonaco and i won't tell you what persistence layer i'm planning to use since you hate SQL so much :)
19:39 amonaco thank you
19:39 sri heh
19:39 sri i don't hate it, just not a fan :)
19:40 yko so big 'not a fan' :D neverming, just kidding
19:43 amonaco have you guys seen this? http://wiki.nginx.org/EmbeddedPerlModule could this be a future deployment method?
19:46 sri i don't think so
19:46 sri has even been done i think
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19:46 sri but having your apps run inside the web server never ends well
19:47 amonaco that might be a good point
19:47 sri hypnotoad behind nginx is the best deployment option possible i think
19:48 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojol​icious/Guides/Cookbook#Hypnotoad
19:48 amonaco i'm checking it out
19:48 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Moj​olicious/Guides/Cookbook#Nginx
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21:05 sri hmm
21:07 * yko imagines: (Roden - Thinker) hmm
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21:07 GitHub27 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 53bd713 (1 files in 1 dirs): extended readme - http://bit.ly/h5a4En
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21:07 sri need reviewer
21:07 sri i want to highlight the growing concept some more
21:08 sri right now people expect a sinatra clone at first sight
21:08 yko dunno. i'm confised by .+# and #.+
21:09 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo
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21:11 yko but hmm. togather with controller looks good.
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21:11 GitHub60 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * fd583eb (1 files in 1 dirs): added title - http://bit.ly/gqZ5T0
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21:12 sri i'm a little worried that it might be too much information
21:12 yko Hmm. I love that now. and i'm happy that terrible diagram went down
21:12 sri heh
21:12 yko maybe installation should be on top?
21:12 sri you don't like the diagram?
21:13 yko i'm scared of that one
21:13 sri how come?
21:14 yko just a children's fears :)
21:14 yko but it doesn't looks friendly
21:14 yko and you know, not html5-ish. even not web2.0. something like old DOS prompt or so
21:15 yko oh, i got now why i don't like it
21:15 yko i think people expect fun. and that-style things suggest hard work
21:15 yko but you can ignore me, it's just my opinion. anyway i'm glad its at the bottom now
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21:15 GitHub124 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 83734a7 (1 files in 1 dirs): made readme more yko friendly :) - http://bit.ly/eKR8Hd
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21:16 sri i value your opinion ;)
21:16 yko Oh! No more fear, no more pain :)
21:17 yko donno' i'd put 'Installation' right after features. it's just a logic:
21:17 yko short promo, get and install it, try some examples
21:17 sri hmm
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21:21 yko Hmm. our documentation link is't 'excelent': it's opint to CPAN
21:21 yko but hold still for the probing
21:22 sri fixing
21:22 yko wait
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21:22 yko maybe there should be links to guides?
21:23 sri now there is
21:23 sri argh!
21:23 yko hehe :)
21:23 sri it doesn't work
21:23 purl It's a Y2K error!  Panic!  Sue!
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21:24 yko oh... maybe we are ready to remove 'DON'T PANIC!' warning ?
21:25 yko from Mojolicious::Guides i mean
21:25 tarski i like the hitchhiker's reference
21:25 * sri too
21:26 yko oh. ye. i haven't read that in original, sorry
21:26 sri shame on you!
21:27 yko ye, i'm covered with the shame
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21:31 tarski like python has references to monty python skits throughout their docs, you could have it throughout mojo: get '/so_long' => sub {shift->render(text => 'And thank's for all the fish!') };
21:31 sri well, we have simpsons and futurama quotes all over the code
21:32 tarski in the source or docs?
21:32 sri source
21:32 tarski ah
21:34 tarski so i was wondering, is one of your motivating ideas here to make mojo self contained (no deps) so that you can eventually port it over to perl6?
21:34 amonaco i think it might be too much information for a readme file
21:35 amonaco i'd remove "growing" and put it somewhere else
21:35 yko in growing guide, hehe :)
21:35 amonaco correct!
21:35 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Mail 0.8 by Anatoly Sharifulin - http://frepan.org/~sharifuln/​Mojolicious-Plugin-Mail-0.8/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/26754560403968000
21:36 amonaco or in samples
21:36 sri readme mirrors http://mojolicio.us
21:36 sri i've updated the site too
21:36 sri amonaco: normally i would agree
21:36 amonaco the same info in the site looks very good
21:36 amonaco maybe because of the syntax highlighting :P
21:37 sri ;p
21:37 sri i'm doing this to address a problem we have atm with people misunderstanding mojolicious as a sinatra clone
21:38 amonaco yes i know that
21:39 amonaco i've been reading. and i've also seen some places where people is making such comparison
21:39 amonaco if you see it from the user (developer who uses it to build applications), it's not such a bad thing
21:40 amonaco seen from inside the project is almost an insult
21:40 amonaco my 2c
21:40 sri :)
21:40 amonaco in terms of the effort and the many years of catalyst experience
21:41 amonaco but too much stuff in the readme might, and i say might scare users looking for a perl alternative to sinatra (like myself)
21:41 amonaco :D
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21:43 stephan48 maybe making a README with basic stuff and a one with more extended stuff... so users can decide how much they want to know :)
21:44 amonaco i have a constructive critic, this time about the css in the website
21:44 sri stephan48: actually thats what we have right now (imo)
21:44 stephan48 ah
21:44 sri the growing guide is the continuation
21:44 stephan48 sry i tend to not read docs :)
21:44 amonaco text-shadow for the h1 looks good, but for the paragraph tags, it makes it a little blurry to read
21:44 * sri slaps stephan48
21:44 stephan48 hihi :)
21:45 sri amonaco: which os and browser?
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21:45 amonaco mac firefox 3.5
21:45 amonaco .6 sorry
21:45 perlrocks Twitter: "WebSocket omg, mojolicious # + # # = awesome, im gonna cry:)" (de) --oroce http://twitter.com/oroce/status/26757028147892226
21:46 sri ohoh, he will cry more once he realizes how useless websockets are atm :S
21:47 sri amonaco: looks fine to me
21:48 amonaco i have done a couple of screeshots one with and one without, how can i send them to you?
21:48 sri twitpic or so
21:48 amonaco k
21:48 yko same thing here: win + chrome|ff3
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21:49 yko i mean, everything is ok :)
21:51 perlrocks Twitter: "Updated http://t.co/FsM3OSX a bit with more information about what makes #mojolicious unique, let me know what you think! :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/26758575330168832
21:52 amonaco sri: http://twitpic.com/photos/arielmonaco
21:52 amonaco please see them full size
21:53 yko sri: whit size of display you have and what res?
21:54 sri 1280x800 13" macbook
21:54 amonaco with shadow http://twitpic.com/3qp31i/full without shadow: http://twitpic.com/3qp37z/full
21:55 sri arguable
21:55 amonaco it's just a small thing, don't take too serious
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21:56 sri i'll keep an eye on it, so far there have been no complaints though
21:58 marty Yaaa!!! I just finished deploying my first Mojolicous app!   Totally rockin!  It's an order picking system for warehouse fulfillment.
21:58 sri \o/
21:58 marty Thanks sri, for making it possible.
21:58 marty sri++
22:08 sri we could use a "companies using mojolicious" wiki page
22:10 sri but we need a big one to start it
22:13 sri i'm really jealous of javascript there, they can just see which websites are using their libraries
22:14 marty We are not big.  (by most definitions) but ye, that would be a good page.  Hmm, I've got the app on github (mojopick)  Not sure if it is possible to make it generic enough for general use.
22:15 sri put it at least on the examples page :)
22:16 marty Ok, will do.   Maybe I'll do a screen-cast of how it works and show people how EASY it is to deploy a full featured Mojolicous app.  Yowzer!!!!
22:16 sri that would be great
22:18 marty Ok.  It's on my To-Do list.   I'll work on it this week
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22:30 sri we also need a lot more blog posts
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22:48 amonaco i can help with some blog articles but since i'm not native speaker i might need some later review
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23:04 perlrocks Twitter: "If #Patriots will not wake me up (oh right, waking up themselves first) I'm going to play with #mojolicious today (Perl web framework)." --alexsergeyev http://twitter.com/alexserge​yev/status/26776917256437760
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23:36 perlrocks Twitter: "Mammoth mojo-ing session done! Exciting plans for @undergroundtea are taking shape #mojolicious" --DecadenceDesign http://twitter.com/DecadenceDe​sign/status/26784770906128384
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