Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-02-01

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02:06 TheCritic any examples on handling file uploads from html forms?
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02:24 tempire TheCritic: my $upload = $self->req->upload('file');  $upload->move_to('/full/path');
02:24 TheCritic that looks easy
02:24 tempire it is
02:24 TheCritic nice
02:24 tempire see http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo::Upload as well
02:25 TheCritic I am writing a 1 file mojo filebin .... want it as simple as possible
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03:10 TheCritic tempire: the way this usually works, the file is held entirely in memory and then passed to the cgi as an env var. I want it to allocate 1 mb or so of ram and spool the rest to disk in real time.... have you heard of anything in mojo that would facilitate this?
03:18 crab tempire: now that it works, i don't hate it so much any more. :-)
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06:55 marcus So... Who is submitting the oscon presentation of Mojolicious?
06:55 marcus Tempire? ;)
07:01 crab i can't put a data template named layouts/default.html.ep in lib/G.pm and one named auth/auth.html.ep in lib/G/Auth.pm and $self->render() auth and have it use the default layout?
07:01 crab setting template_class to __PACKAGE__ makes it find auth, but not layouts/default.
07:03 crab guess i'll have to create a real layouts/default.html.ep instead.
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07:23 marcus crab: keeping templates in __DATA__ when you have more than one controller seems like a waste
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07:41 Christian morning
07:50 omega like a waste, and quite confusing
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08:08 * marcus eyes Form::Sensible
08:08 marcus <3 limechat so much
08:09 marcus specially the full feed below the input. great for seeing when something goes on
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08:48 sri TheCritic: it just works like that
08:48 sri out of the box, you don't have to do anything
08:50 sri moin btw
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09:12 sri marcus: what makes it better than colloquy?
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09:22 marcus sri: Feels faster, more focused, easier to configure, and so far, it hasn't forgotten all my channels or given me any hassle. And skinning support.
09:22 marcus also the image/youtbue previews and the full stream, and the way notifications work on highlights (a dot on the icon) is great
09:28 sri hmm
09:28 sri just tried it couldn't get it to log into znc :S
09:36 sri oh, it's actually easier to setup than colloquy
09:43 marcus yeah, I use it with znc
09:44 sri but i prefer the colloquy look
09:44 sri what i actually need a replacement for is Mail.app -.-
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12:07 GitHub88 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a8c25fd (1 files in 1 dirs): added cookbook recipe - http://bit.ly/enj0ja
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12:09 perlrocks Twitter: "The #mojolicious client recipe for today shows a very versatile and brand new feature, enjoy. :) http://t.co/meypq6d #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/32410308983128064
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12:22 * sri wonders if it would make sense to blog those little recipes
12:24 marcus I kinda like that the guides are growing
12:26 sri too much documentation can also lead to too little buzz
12:27 marcus buzzkill
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12:56 perlrocks Twitter: "There have been many bugfixes applied to #mojolicious recently, please make sure to test the latest github version with your apps. #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/32422002375528448
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13:22 koban sri: small typo in last client recipe - "Request that will most likely get redirEcted"
13:22 sri koban: thanks
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13:23 koban don't mention it
13:23 * purl wipes it from her mind
13:25 sri wow, the next mongodb mini book will come out next month already
13:26 sri http://oreilly.com/catalog/0636920018391/
13:26 sri oh, i mean this month -.-
13:27 marcus time flies when you're writing a web framework.
13:27 sri indeed
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14:11 perlrocks Twitter: "WAF in perl when using one thing or another, be careful or namespace is obvious, but it was cumbersome and had left before the object is cached in the poor. Mojolicious or, to use to understand what is working just fine how." (ja) --tyoshii716 http://twitter.com/tyoshii7​16/status/32440871534206976
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14:18 sri hmm, the latest couchdb book has also just 76 pages
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14:29 TheCritic sri:  Thanks
14:30 perlrocks Twitter: "However, apache and mod_perl and synchronize the mojolicious was very well ..." (ja) --shiba_yu36 http://twitter.com/shiba_yu​36/status/32445705738002434
14:31 TheCritic a google of "mojo Your secret passphrase needs to be changed!!!" does not return what I would expect.... any idea what my secret passphrase is?
14:31 TheCritic or how to change it?
14:31 yko TheCritic: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojolicious#secret
14:32 TheCritic yko: thanks
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14:38 TheCritic my google search of "SimpleDB site:http://irclog.perlgeek.de/mojo" seems to indicate that this has not been answered here before... Is there an easy way to use SimpleDB from mojo? I have all of the perl from Amazon, and I know I can do what I need with it, I am just asking if there is a easy mojo way...
14:39 sri how would a "mojo way" look like?
14:42 TheCritic I am unsure. I am coming from Catalyst to mojo, and in Catalyst everything and the kitchen sink had a plugin... I do not assume that mojo has a Amazon SimpleDb plugin, but I thought I would ask.
14:42 sri no point having useless plugins
14:43 TheCritic agreed
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14:43 sri i actually find those plugins containing just an accessor rather annoying
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14:44 sri their only purpose it to make the framework look bigger
14:44 sri *is
14:47 yko we don't need that!
14:47 yko sri is so BIG already... so absolutely HUGE ... we're reeeeeally impressed down here...
14:47 yko :D
14:48 sri WHO LET YKO OUT AGAIN?!
14:48 yko -_-
14:49 * sri pushes yko back into the alligator pit
14:51 * sri blames marcus
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14:59 marcus s/pushes/pushes yko/
15:00 kthakore hi marcus
15:00 marcus hi kthakore. how are you?
15:00 kthakore marcus: ever gonna come back to SDL we miss you :(
15:01 kthakore hi sri
15:01 * sri waves
15:01 fish__ how can i access my json_config outside a route callback in mojolicious::lite? (read: i don't have $self here..)
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15:02 sri my $config = plugin 'json_config';
15:02 fish__ oh, that was easy =) thanks
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15:10 sri it's even in the synopsis already
15:13 vko yko: Who is arrogant?
15:13 purl arrogant is an understatement
15:14 fish__ sri: yes, but it doesnt say what it is doing. thought this was a special case for 'customization'
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15:15 sri fish__: patches welcome ;)
15:16 sri vko: no rudeness please
15:17 vko Ooops, sorry, I wanted to write "What is arrogant?", don't know what does this word mean.
15:18 vko But Freid... ;( He changed my sentence.
15:18 sri http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrogance
15:18 vko sri: Don't want to be rudeness.
15:18 vko *I
15:18 fish__ sri: maybe just a line my $config = plugin 'json_config'; right after my $config = $self ...? ;)
15:19 vko Refer to "Overbearing pride"... ok.
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15:20 sri fish__: that better?
15:21 fish__ sri: yep ;)
15:21 sri :)
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15:34 crab marcus: what do you mean, a waste?
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15:37 sri crab: he means it is bad style
15:38 sri if you're using controllers you might just as well go all the way
15:38 sri and have a clean app
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15:54 crab sri: well, this is an authentication plugin. the data templates i am referring to are meant to be overriden by the user.
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15:56 crab sri: if i ship them (them == login form, etc.) separately as files, (afaict) it means they have to be edited, not overriden, which makes installing/upgrading more of a pain.
15:56 crab this is why data templates seemed the ideal solution. but i don't have to ship layouts/default as a data template, i can quite reasonably just assume that it will be provided as a real file by the host application.
15:58 sri crab: your question was about a controller, not a plugin
15:58 crab it's a controller with a plugin to enable it.
15:59 sri that still changes the context
15:59 crab well. i'm lying. right now it's just a controller. but when i'm done there will be a plugin.
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16:00 crab are you saying it's bad style in the context of an application? ok, i can agree with that.
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16:01 crab but anyway, plugin or not, there's no way i can ship stubs of layout/default in one module and some template that depends on it in another module and expect it to work, right?
16:03 crab never mind. even if i can find some way, i don't want to bother.
16:08 sri nope, i would suggest making the layout configurable
16:08 sri and default to a plugin specific one
16:08 Christian cu all
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16:13 sri https://github.com/sstephenson/eco # this is how 37signals see the future of javascript templates
16:14 sri i like the way they handle blocks
16:25 crab sri: oh
16:25 crab i did not think of making it configurable. makes sense.
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17:05 sri http://mongohq.com is really neat for testing :)
17:05 tempire If I go to oscon, I'll submit a mojo talk.
17:05 sri \o/
17:05 sri let me know if i can help you somehow
17:05 tempire but I'll be nervous as gehenna
17:06 tempire It's a big IF
17:07 tempire I think my company has sent people before, but I'm not sure what the red tape involved is.
17:07 tempire amazon has oracle hosted services now.
17:07 tempire They're taking over the world
17:08 sri eeep
17:09 tempire Form::Sensible has too much text in their overview.
17:09 * tempire wishes pod had pretty pictures of unicorns and snowmen
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17:32 yko sri: is it ok to access stash as hash?
17:32 sri yes
17:32 yko thanks
17:33 sri should be in the pod too
17:33 yko that's why i'm asking :D
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17:33 yko i remind somebody said that it's wrong way (dunno why)
17:34 sri you even have to for deleting data
17:34 yko if you dont access stash as hash, stash(foo => undef) works fine :p
17:34 yko but i understand, thanks again
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19:05 MojoGuest133 /help
19:05 MojoGuest133 lol
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19:18 PerlNinja o/ evening
19:22 crab hum.
19:23 crab ->content_type_is('text/html') fails on text/html;charset=UTF-8
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19:40 sri because those are not equal
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20:01 TheCritic Im running mojo as 'perl script.pl daemon' and when I http post a file, mojo seems to hangup
20:01 sri how big is the file?
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20:03 sri it is most likely the 5mb cap which is documented in a gazillion places
20:04 TheCritic file is 4k
20:05 TheCritic http://pastebin.com/M8YsS0UD
20:05 TheCritic do you see anything that is just wrong?
20:05 sri no idea then
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20:18 tempire TheCritic: your pastebin works just fine for me
20:19 TheCritic seriously, I must have an environmental issue. Thanks for the check...
20:19 tempire Could be raining lolcats in ur computarz
20:21 sri windows?
20:21 purl windows is one hell of an event! or crashing on someone or very pretty when the computer is powered off or rebooting or lacking that tool you want
20:21 TheCritic os x
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20:21 sri weird
20:21 sri do all tests pass?
20:22 sri we have a big file upload test actually i think
20:22 TheCritic I have not checked.... googling...
20:22 PerlNinja sri, does running an app under hypnotoad alter any behaviour?
20:22 sri not really
20:22 PerlNinja with TtRenderer, if you set the 'absolute' template paths option off, it runs fine as script/myapp daemon
20:22 PerlNinja but run it under hypnotoad and you get exceptions about requiring 'absolute' to be set
20:22 sri it's a pool of normal daemons basically
20:23 PerlNinja hmm
20:23 PerlNinja must be something to do with the way it builds the template path then
20:23 PerlNinja *digs in*
20:27 tempire anyone know how much oscon costs?
20:27 perlrocks Twitter: "Time for some mythbusting, #mojolicious and #plack. :) http://t.co/Cd2oa0Z #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/32535622082105344
20:28 sri :)
20:31 PerlNinja oh well guess i'll allow absolute paths in TT for now to fix it... *starts writing email to code monkeys about not using user input for template names*
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20:35 perlrocks Twitter: "Good RT: @kraih: Time for some mythbusting, #mojolicious and #plack. :) http://t.co/Cd2oa0Z #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/32537521367814144
20:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious and Plack:  While Mojolicious contains a really nice built in web server, which makes especia... http://bit.ly/hf7XNO #perl" --PlanetPerl http://twitter.com/PlanetPe​rl/status/32539387103285248
20:45 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious and Plack - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://dlvr.it/FZtlg" (ja) --RtestR http://twitter.com/RtestR/status/32539963237072896
20:50 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious and Plack http://bit.ly/gClGal" --hyperdavid http://twitter.com/hyperdav​id/status/32541246668931074
20:56 perlrocks Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel (sri): Mojolicious and Plack http://bit.ly/hf7XNO" --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/32542847953543168
20:59 garu is the best way to do authentication in mojolicious still via bridges?
20:59 sri it's the most popular one at least
20:59 PerlNinja no idea but that's how i'm doing it, i find it extremely intuitive and flexible to do it that way to be honest
21:00 PerlNinja might be going a little overboard since i've got 3 bridges chaining off eachother for loading session, checking auth yes/no, then checking a superuser role for the admin end of my app
21:01 garu I must be doing something wrong
21:01 garu how do I trap a failed bridge route?
21:01 garu the app gives me 'not found' and shows me the "not unboxed yet" (404?) page
21:01 PerlNinja define failed?
21:02 sri did you render anything?
21:02 garu $r->bridge('/foo')->to( cb => sub { return });
21:02 sri you might want to redirect or render on auth failure
21:02 garu ^^ that's what I mean by "failed'
21:03 sri i think the growing guide might be helpful :)
21:03 sri it covers the topic
21:03 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc​?Mojolicious/Guides/Growing
21:03 garu hmmm... I skipped it since it was not m:lite
21:03 sri actually it is both
21:04 sri growing from lite to full mojolicious
21:05 garu sri: might be worth mentioning the 404 page shows me a route example as '//foo/bar' instead of '/foo/bar'
21:05 sri already fixed
21:05 garu oh, cool :)
21:06 PerlNinja if you want some example
21:06 PerlNinja http://paste.scsys.co.uk/86298
21:06 PerlNinja that's a somewhat summarized and paraphrased bit of how i do it in my app
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21:06 sri would be nice to have an example for that in the wiki
21:07 PerlNinja I smell a hint :P
21:07 * PerlNinja wanders off to the wiki... guess i need to register a github account first :d
21:07 sri :O
21:07 PerlNinja i'm a bitbucket user :P
21:08 sri O:
21:08 PerlNinja don't look so shocked.. $work decided we'd be using mercurial instead of git
21:08 sri well, it's not a bad choice
21:08 PerlNinja our (ex) sales guy didn't want to mention the word 'git' in front of our UK clients
21:08 garu PerlNinja++
21:08 sri lol
21:08 PerlNinja yeah i mean, it's okay, but the reason for it was .. yah
21:08 PerlNinja sales guy.
21:09 garu PerlNinja: though a simple "render the unauth page before returning false on the bridge" would have sufficed :P
21:10 PerlNinja garu: yep, but I figure I might as well make with the examples :D
21:10 garu heh, indeed
21:10 garu sri++ # "you might want to redirect or render on auth failure"
21:10 garu like that :)
21:10 * sri prefers the redirect
21:12 PerlNinja myeah there's things to be said for that, login page posts the lot using xhr, gets a result back and just goes document.location.reload to keep the user on the same page
21:12 garu changes the url, I like it better too
21:12 * PerlNinja was lazy, didn't want to bother with passing the url around  and redirecting back to it
21:12 garu PerlNinja: sounds like a pretty complicated app oO
21:12 PerlNinja it is
21:12 PerlNinja :(
21:13 PerlNinja I'm porting it off Catalyst - this is like, hmm, what would it compare to ...
21:14 PerlNinja www.5pmweb.com .. comes close :P same sort of idea behind it
21:15 PerlNinja but yeah, beta on catalyst worked but then catalyst started getting on my tits a few too many times so I figured what the heck, we want to move to mongodb anyway so I might as well go in and port it over to mojolicious as well
21:16 PerlNinja aaand... well.. so far 4 days of furious coding and about half done with that one, but i'm having an absolute blast of fun with it
21:22 PerlNinja ok i added what i pasted to the wiki under the whole 'helpful code snippets' bit
21:23 garu PerlNinja++
21:23 PerlNinja yeah i remembered i had a github account already .. that i never used.. :P it's even got my real name on it!
21:23 PerlNinja there goes my anonimity
21:24 garu it's weird to hear you prototyped the app with catalyst, but now that you're doing it for real your using mojolicious :P
21:24 garu (weird in a nice way)
21:25 PerlNinja actually the catalyst one wasn't a prototype per se.. this is still the prototype to be honest
21:25 PerlNinja it's being sorta closed-beta tested by a bunch of victi^H^H^H^H^Hfriends
21:25 PerlNinja just that well, I get tired of catalyst throwing up whenever a dependency five times removed changes
21:28 PerlNinja combined with postgres being very nice, but not too practical for what we're doing (the design for this thing is 2 years old, before the whole nosql thing really came to life) .. we wanted to go mongodb anyway, so .. combined the two into one massive porting effort
21:28 perlrocks Twitter: "http://bit.ly/fH61sa Mojolicious and Plack - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web In fact, it easily beats most web frameworks that w.." (ja) --recenturl http://twitter.com/recentur​l/status/32550804321738752
21:28 PerlNinja And it's actually working out pretty damn well
21:30 garu nice to hear
21:32 PerlNinja yeah, for me the kicker really was hypnotoad - if i need to update to a new version now, i don't have to update 10 servers by hand and restart things, or hack together silly scripts that run as root to do it, just poke a request into the message queue, the app goes off and downloads the newest update, unpacks it, and tells hypnotoad to reload itself
21:33 PerlNinja this lets me be even more lazy
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21:51 yko PerlNinja: comprehend the power of git and you'll be lazy even moar
21:52 PerlNinja :D
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22:03 sri that should address the most common problems with plackup
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22:06 sri and everything else that messes with $0
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22:52 GitHub187 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a4f2aee (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed small bug - http://bit.ly/hWdYbT
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22:53 sri phew... finally done
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23:02 marcus Sri: Busy night? Great article.
23:03 sri well, more of a recipe
23:03 sri about to fall asleep i guess
23:05 * marcus eyes Plack middleware.
23:06 marcus Funny exchange between mst and miyagawa on Twitter.
23:06 sri didn't see
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23:08 sri ah, same discussion happened over in #plack earlier
23:09 sri i agreed with mst, Plack::App was a bad choice
23:11 sri actually it wasn't just a bad choice, it is evil
23:11 sri it implies that you're supposed to build actual apps with plack
23:13 marcus yepp
23:14 marcus Plack::Middleware::Headauto delete response body in HEAD requests
23:15 marcus Plack::Middleware::JSONP seems handy too.
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23:17 marcus http://www.flickr.com/photos/publ​ius_ovidius/5029627422/lightbox/ neat too.
23:19 sri head stuff is built into mojolicious
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23:52 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious and Plack - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://htn.to/w3oDe3" --kazeburo http://twitter.com/kazebur​o/status/32587011072204800

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