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jjafuller |
What is the best way to get authentication/authorization into a mojo app? |
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tempire |
jjafuller: more details |
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purl |
more details are in 'git help config', for the interested. |
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tempire |
what method of auth are you interested in? |
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jjafuller |
tempire: For the moment, I just need user/pass. But, ultimately I would like full RBAC |
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tempire |
that wouldn't be mojolicious specific |
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jjafuller |
tempire: For example, in catalyst I use the Authenticate, and Authorization plugins so I would be looking for that kind of functional for now |
| 02:22 |
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tempire |
but if you're talking about something like basic auth, or tls certificates, that would be mojolicious specific |
| 02:23 |
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jjafuller |
tempire: So basically, if I want that functionality I would use something else, in addition to mojo? |
| 02:25 |
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tempire |
for the example of catalyst::plugin::authentication, there's no direct plugin equivalent. it wouldn't be that hard to implement in your own plugin, though |
| 02:26 |
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tempire |
do the auth in a mojo bridge, and go from there |
| 02:26 |
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jjafuller |
tempire: I wouldn't be opposed to that. Are their any docs / examples I can reference? |
| 02:27 |
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tempire |
the growing guide has an example: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]us/Guides/Growing |
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tempire |
that should show you how simple it is |
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tempire |
starting at http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]des/Growing#Model |
| 02:28 |
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tempire |
but it's a good idea to read through it, so you understand the relationships between ::lite and a full app |
| 02:29 |
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tempire |
and how everything works together |
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tempire |
fairly quick read, most of it's code examples |
| 02:29 |
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tempire |
and takes you through how to test your app as well |
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jjafuller |
Very cool, thanks for the tip |
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tempire |
:) |
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elb0w` |
when I see FastCgiServer /home/sri/myapp/script/myapp -processes 10 |
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elb0w` |
will that spawn 10 processes? of my app? |
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elb0w` |
sri you around by chance? |
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MojoGuest484 |
From: http://www.google.fr/search?q=[…]=en&client=safari (1 hits) |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "blogs.perl.org: CSS selector goodness in Mojo::DOM http://bit.ly/f1Wpe4" --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempiretech[…]38083020669849600 |
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tardisx_ |
I have a session problem (builtin sessions) |
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elb0w` |
Why would http://pastie.org/1573240 give me http://dev.elbowrage.com |
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elb0w` |
? |
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tardisx_ |
before I go into lots of detail, the fundamental problem is that they go out with signature and come back without it |
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tardisx_ |
ie: in a tcpdump I see: Set-Cookie: mojolicious=BAg[more data]lcw==--b5124[more hex]; Version=1; Path=/; expires.. [etc] |
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tardisx_ |
and then: Cookie: mojolicious=BAg[more data]lcw; |
| 03:56 |
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tempire |
elb0w`: I ran your pastie locally, and it works as expected |
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tempire |
with the url http://localhost:3000/whatever |
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elb0w` |
im running it with apache2 |
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tempire |
without the /whatever, it returns the unboxed page. |
| 03:57 |
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tempire |
so it's likely your /whatever is being eaten by apache2 |
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tempire |
NOM |
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elb0w` |
hmm |
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elb0w` |
man why cant things just work easily? :P |
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tempire |
there's a reason I don't use apache ;) |
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elb0w` |
http://pastie.org/1573248 |
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elb0w` |
What do you use? |
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tempire |
hypnotoad |
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purl |
hmmm... hypnotoad is at http://www.r33b.net/ or ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
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elb0w` |
and do you see anything wrong with what im doing? |
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tempire |
ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!!! |
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elb0w` |
Ive never used hypnotoad |
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elb0w` |
a little scared to use it |
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elb0w` |
:P |
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tempire |
All the cool kids are using it |
| 04:00 |
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tempire |
It's been years since I've been familiar with rewriterule |
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tempire |
I'd check your mojo logs, though. |
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elb0w` |
Template "not_found.development.html.ep" not found. |
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elb0w` |
ill dig in tomorrow |
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elb0w` |
good night, ty |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-CSRFDefender 0.0.3 by SHIBAZAKI - http://frepan.org/~shibazaki/M[…]RFDefender-0.0.3/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]38097022120755200 |
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crab |
tardis: that's just weird |
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tardisx_ |
isn't it |
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tardisx_ |
I suspected browser weirdness |
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crab |
does it always happen? which browser? |
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tardisx_ |
but I'm running the same code in a different environment and the problem doesn't occur |
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tardisx_ |
safari |
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tardisx_ |
firefox |
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tardisx_ |
different environments are linux (ubuntu server) - broken, mac os x - works |
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tardisx_ |
mojolicious versions the same |
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tardisx_ |
both running through the built in web server |
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crab |
does the browser also think it's receiving the full cookie? e.g. in firebug? |
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tardisx_ |
only other piece of the puzzle is it's a facebook app, so it's all going through the canvas etc etc |
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tardisx_ |
but again, this does work against one target, not the other |
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tardisx_ |
not tried firebug or anything yet, my next step I think |
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tardisx_ |
I was hoping someone would say "Oh That!" :-) |
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crab |
i don't understand what implications being a facebook app has |
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crab |
do you really see a ";" at the end of the cookie? |
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tardisx_ |
yes |
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tardisx_ |
but |
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tardisx_ |
the one that is complete has it too, I think it's the separator for the version, path, expires |
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tardisx_ |
looks the same in the working tcpdump |
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crab |
but the client isn't supposed to send it back |
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tardisx_ |
except the signature is intact |
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crab |
oh, seems it can send it. ok, sorry. |
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tardisx_ |
http://pastie.org/1573343 |
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crab |
hmm. according to the abnf in 2965 it should send it only if there are any extra attributes to send, not otherwise. |
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crab |
but anyway. probably not relevant. |
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tardisx_ |
no I agree |
| 05:03 |
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crab |
tardisx: since there is no other explanation, it must be evil hackers!!@#! |
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tardisx_ |
curse them! |
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crab |
what happens if you change the separator to something else? ...but no, the problem must be somewhere else. |
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tardisx_ |
the signature separator? I did think of that... I wonder |
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tardisx_ |
could be worth a hack |
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crab |
you only ever do $self->session(x=>$y) in your app, right? you don't do anything to change how the cookie is generated and sent? |
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tardisx_ |
that's right |
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tardisx_ |
and remember it works with the same codebase in a different server environment |
| 05:48 |
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crab |
tardis: how about sending a plain old cookie and seeing how it is treated? |
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tardisx_ |
I will try that... I expect it will as it all comes down to the signature being stripped |
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crab |
tardis: send a cookie that's like x=aaaaaaaaaaaaa....bbbb--xyzyzyyxysnk or so |
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tardisx_ |
yep pasted in my failing value into a 'manual' cookie and it works fine |
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crab |
now instead of a plain cookie, send a signed_cookie()? |
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tardisx_ |
ok, facebook is messing with it |
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tardisx_ |
I don't know a) why and b) why it only breaks one deployment |
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crab |
your responses are proxied through facebook? |
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tardisx_ |
yep |
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crab |
i wish i'd realised that earlier |
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tardisx_ |
don't get me wrong, I always considered this the likely problem |
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tardisx_ |
but I have the same code running on a different box, proxied in exactly the same way, which does not exhibit this behaviour |
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tardisx_ |
I've even taken the FB application configuration out of the picture by changing the callback URL between my working and non-working envirnoments |
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tardisx_ |
bleah I can solve this by just using regular non-signed cookies rather than sessions, but I wish I knew what was going on :( |
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crab |
well, non-signed cookies don't give you integrity protection, as i'm sure you realise |
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tardisx_ |
yep, but I prefer to do that server side anyway |
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tardisx_ |
CALL ME CRAZY |
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crab |
you crazy! |
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crab |
(out of curiosity, why?) |
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tardisx_ |
just a general principle, if it's sensitive I'll keep it server side. so they just provide me with data to lookup the sensitive stuff. |
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tardisx_ |
in many cases it doesn't make any difference, since they can guess keys/id's or whatever |
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crab |
well, even if you're storing the state on the server, you should be using strongly random identifiers |
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tardisx_ |
in this case I just store a UID (which is public) and get the access token from the DB. Facebook takes care of making sure that it's the right access token for the logged in user |
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tardisx_ |
anyway, thanks for your debugging help, time to go home :-) |
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yko |
hmm. looks like issue 74 has reason |
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yko |
perl -MMojo::Client -e 'Mojo::Client->new->async->get("http://google.com/" => sub { warn "Response!" })' |
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yko |
async client doesn't start IOLoop if it's stopped. Or it's normal behavior? |
| 07:11 |
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yko |
oh. previous code is wrong. |
| 07:11 |
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yko |
perl -MMojo::Client -e 'Mojo::Client->new->async->get("http://google.com/" => sub { warn "Response!" })->start' |
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yko |
this one supposed to start, isn't it? |
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crab |
it says "start |
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crab |
", so i guess you're right |
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crab |
yko: tell about your pdf renderer? |
| 07:24 |
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yko |
It's in progress atm. |
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Alias_ |
Based on ghostscript? |
| 07:25 |
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yko |
Main idea is to run external app (or make request to external daemon/api) for content |
| 07:25 |
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* Alias_ |
maintains a couple of pdf render pipelines at $work |
| 07:25 |
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yko |
Alias, no on Inkscape at the moment :D |
| 07:25 |
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yko |
but i'm going to add ghostscript to force font embedding |
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Alias_ |
Interesting, although too big an app for our prod servers probably |
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Alias_ |
We ended up doing some pretty evil things |
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yko |
Alias: it has --shell mode, so i can launch just a single instance (30 mb of ram) and reuse it |
| 07:26 |
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yko |
btw, works fast enough |
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Alias_ |
We have a data model -> PDF::API2 -> ghostscript -> postscript pipe |
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Alias_ |
That's print grade |
| 07:27 |
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* omega |
uses TT to render LaTeX, then to pdf |
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Alias_ |
So it can produce stuff with all the crazy bleedbox etc stuff intact |
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yko |
Alias: i'm going to have Perl-preprocess of SVG template => Inkscape => PDF::API2 (some postprocess stuff) => ghostscript (font embedding) |
| 07:27 |
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Alias_ |
But, oddly, we use entirely different pdf -> ps -> pipes for screen and final version |
| 07:28 |
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Alias_ |
With two different installed versions of ghostscripts, because there's bugs/nigglies that are needed for screen and print |
| 07:28 |
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Alias_ |
Neither versions are current :) |
| 07:28 |
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yko |
ouch... |
| 07:29 |
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Alias_ |
And we do some hacking of the box model with a hand-written pdf parser thingy |
| 07:29 |
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Alias_ |
We had to trick ghostscript into using different box model |
| 07:29 |
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yko |
That's why i want to have delayed rendering: i want to be able just $c->render('template', handler => 'svg') and not block whole app while renderers process request |
| 07:29 |
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Alias_ |
So we hack the pdf, stashing the original box model away, let ghostscript chew on it, then open it up and hack the original box model back in |
| 07:30 |
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Alias_ |
Well, we haven't seen noticable slowdown from the render |
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Alias_ |
The screen one anyways |
| 07:30 |
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yko |
Alias: ouch.. thats really hurts |
| 07:30 |
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Alias_ |
The print pipeline does a few more tricky things |
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Alias_ |
And it's in a daemon in the background |
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Alias_ |
And only runs after the document has been proofed |
| 07:30 |
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Alias_ |
The end result is nice though |
| 07:31 |
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Alias_ |
A web-based customisation environment for documents, where we can PROVE that the picture of the thing you are designing on the screen will perfectly match the paper that ends up on your desk |
| 07:31 |
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Alias_ |
font bugs, kerning mistakes, and everything |
| 07:31 |
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Alias_ |
100% font embedding, as you said |
| 07:32 |
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Alias_ |
Except all our fonts have to be in the database |
| 07:32 |
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yko |
hmm.. sounds good |
| 07:32 |
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Alias_ |
It's pretty damned awesome if you ask me |
| 07:32 |
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Alias_ |
Very very niche specific |
| 07:32 |
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Alias_ |
Maybe 50-100,000 lines of code |
| 07:32 |
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Alias_ |
Out of 250k for the entire website |
| 07:33 |
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yko |
oh... damn |
| 07:33 |
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yko |
is it public? i mean i can see how does it works? |
| 07:33 |
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Alias_ |
Hells no |
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yko |
:) |
| 07:33 |
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Alias_ |
It's a company secret |
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* yko |
wanna steal it |
| 07:33 |
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Alias_ |
We print the business cards for global companies and police departments etc |
| 07:34 |
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Alias_ |
And governments |
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purl |
governments are far more efficient at *creating* monopolies than preventing them. :) |
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yko |
the stuff i was dreaming five years ago. huh |
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Alias_ |
Get me in a room some time and I'll tell you how it works |
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yko |
I believe i do |
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Christian |
morning |
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* yko |
waves |
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crab |
a soundproof room with padded walls? |
| 07:47 |
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yko |
sushi and few geishas. best environment to steal corporate secrets :) |
| 07:49 |
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yko |
well, on post-soviet land we also have thermorectal cryptanalysis for that purposes |
| 07:49 |
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yko |
http://www.inpic.ru/pic/3097-1994feb0.jpg |
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yko |
title on the cover says: 'Thermorectal Cryptanalysis - workbook for high schools' or so |
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crab |
thermo*rectal*? i don't think i want to know. |
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crab |
oh boy. soldering iron. i really don't want to know. |
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crab |
(but: rectothermal, not thermorectal :) |
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yko |
i believe - no. first bring 'thermal' on iron then ... :) |
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crab |
yko: can you get sushi easily in .ua? |
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yko |
there's sushi bar each 200 meters. sushi is a trend last ~5-7 years |
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GitHub94 |
mojo: master Brian Duggan * 2f7455d (1 files in 1 dirs): fix setuid hypnotoad worker |
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GitHub94 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * e987c96 (2 files in 2 dirs): cleanup |
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GitHub94 |
mojo: master commits f4fc807...e987c96 - http://bit.ly/euZxRx |
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crab |
wow. here you have to go to a very upmarket five-star hotel or so for sushi. |
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yko |
it's became cheap last time. sometimes - very. also all ingridients are in free access |
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sri |
good morning synshines |
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yko |
hi sri! |
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yko |
glad to see you this morning |
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yko |
did you sleep well? :) |
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* yko |
is a bit positive today |
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yko |
maybe it's because somebody left aligator-pit open? :) |
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yko |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]ontroller.pm#L300 <-- this line actually allows renderer to preform delayed render |
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* sri |
pulls yko out of the alligator pit |
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yko |
-_- |
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yko |
hehe |
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* yko |
bites sri's hand |
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yko |
yum yum |
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sri |
:o |
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yko |
well, if somebody is in aligtor pit for a while, he begin bites :D |
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sri |
tempire++ # fun blog post |
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yko |
sri: can i ask your advice about delayed rendering? |
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yko |
i'm thinking about using that controller's behavior but unsure if it's safe - maybe you are going to change it |
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sri |
it's a little early but sure |
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sri |
define "that controllers behavior" |
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yko |
if renderer returns undefined output controller stops rendering silently |
| 08:09 |
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yko |
in source it's marked as 'Fail' but renderer can just set render_later, return undefined content, and preform delayed rendering by itself |
| 08:09 |
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yko |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]ontroller.pm#L300 <-- here |
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sri |
i think you can rely on that |
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sri |
if you want to be absolutely sure look for tests depending on it |
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crab |
("and if there aren't any, submit one" :-) |
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sri |
exactly :) |
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yko |
damn. i should really do that. thank you |
| 08:12 |
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sri |
but i think we have quite a few tests for it, auto rendering and stuff |
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crab |
synshines are like synfloods, but happen in the morning |
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yko |
such rendering looks like that: https://gist.github.com/de21e6e4ed86096805dc |
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nut sure that example works, but it describes main idea |
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sri |
tardisx: that == looks wrong |
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yko: long polling test cases cover that |
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yko |
oh great. thank you much. i was going look there today |
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crab |
sri: the == is just from the base64 encoding of the storable'd data |
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sri |
yea, i can see it cause trouble |
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yko |
oh, that's so sweet, if renderer supposed to do some hard stuff it can just delay rendering! |
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crab |
oh! i see what you mean. hmm. |
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yko |
So, actually, there can be renderers for PDF files, or renderers that rendering some data from third-party APIs even |
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watches yko quivering with excitement |
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crab |
damn. i never noticed that the lcw== turned into lcw; wonder why it broke only on one system. |
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crab |
but no point speculating, who knows what facebook did with it |
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yko |
like <AMAZON-TITLE ASIN > can take name of ASIN just from amazon for example :D |
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sure this example is not the best one, but i believe there's use cases for such stuff |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 78be057 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed typo |
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sri |
tardisx: please try that |
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crab |
sri: he's gone already |
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oh, another client. ok. |
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he'll come back |
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ETOOMUCHSUN |
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sri |
hmm |
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sri |
maybe $client->async is misleading |
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sri |
people always misunderstand it |
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sri |
maybe it should be called $client->shared or so |
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sri |
oh mason2 has been released |
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crab |
mason! |
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sri |
wonder how many people will go berserk about it breaking backwards compatibility |
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crab |
it's not mentioned on masonhq.com yet (if it will be at all) |
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sri |
http://search.cpan.org/~jswart[…]ingFromMason1.pod |
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sri |
it just replaced mason1 on cpan |
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sri |
same namespace, different template system |
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sri |
no wait, it has html::mason before :) |
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crab |
yes, HTML::Mason. i used to like it, back in the day. |
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crab |
Mason 2 sounds pretty nice from the pod you linked to. but i have zero incentive to even look at it in more detail. |
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sri |
i like a few things |
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sri |
but it doesn't do indented perl lines |
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sri |
imo the only way to really make perl blocks look good embedded |
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sri |
the <%lalala></%lalala> tags could be a neat alternative to begin/end actually |
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crab |
do you mean "% x" or " % x", or something else? |
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sri |
second |
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crab |
ah |
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sri |
<% form_for 'lalala'>...</%> that's not too bad |
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sri |
vs % form_for 'lalala' begin ... % end |
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sri |
*+ => |
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i wouldn't mind <% form_for 'lalala' %> but i don't want <% end %> to go away |
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yko |
aha! so async client needs running ioloop :) |
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sri |
yes! |
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yko |
i think i had that knowledge but issue 74 dropped it down :\ |
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sri |
the whole point of async is giving up ioloop control :S |
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sri |
that's why i said it might need a better name |
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yko |
oh noes.... |
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purl |
noes is probably sungo |
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yko |
i somehow was thinking that async client on ->start checks ioloop->is_running and starts it if needed, but ignore me |
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sri |
if you think there's a way to improve it you should just start experimenting |
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sri |
i'm wrong a lot |
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sri |
guess i should just say it's impossible, instead of prove me wrong, more motivating :) |
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yko |
ЖВ |
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yko |
sri: i don't mind, main reason of all that is me sometimes missunrestooding ->async, ye |
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sri |
async is really hard, i wish i knew a way to make it easier :/ |
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yko |
no way! how then i can looks clever? :D |
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sri |
it might actually be possible to do it |
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sri |
but it would break other stuff |
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sri |
damn |
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sri |
current behavior is even a bug... |
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yko |
oh noes... |
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sri |
this is going to hurt |
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* yko |
cries |
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crab |
as long as it hurts yko more than me, i don't mind |
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* yko |
is crying harder |
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sri |
some documentation is actually wrong... |
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sri |
i really screwed up |
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crab |
what is the problem? |
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purl |
it has been said that the problem is this: |
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sri |
all code using ->async will currently break with cgi, fastcgi and psgi |
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sri |
as in not work at all |
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crab |
purl, no, the problem is <reply> |
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purl |
okay, crab. |
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sri |
this illustrates the actual problem really well |
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sri |
nobody understands async really |
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sri |
and no matter what i do now, stuff breaks :/ |
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crab |
:/ |
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sri |
:( |
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crab |
just fix it so it makes sense, and i offer to help document the change |
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crab |
if it's actually broken now, i guess there's nothing else to do |
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sri |
that's not the problem |
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sri |
people will go berserk because i break stuff again...and not care for reasons |
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yko |
sri: only *cgi and psgi are affected? |
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sri |
cgi psgi and fastcgi |
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sri |
all non daemon environments basically |
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yko |
i'm using only daemon atm |
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sri |
the problem is ->async does not fallback to blocking atm in those environments |
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sri |
it will just not work at all |
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yko |
but wait, maybe we can keep this behavior? :) |
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sri |
? |
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sri |
wait for what? |
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yko |
i mean, maybe current behavior is ok? |
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crab |
yko: as in keep async as it is, add a better-named function that works always? |
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sri |
umm |
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sri |
the reason i added ->start was to make a fallback work |
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yko |
crab: if you haven't ioloop running you need to start it manually. that's just all |
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yko |
oh... |
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yko |
than damn yes. actually i was thinking it worksuntil this day |
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sri |
the problem is not so easy to solve |
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yko |
so issue 74 has sense? |
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sri |
it is really really broken by design |
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sri |
yes issue 74 makes sense in a cgi context |
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sri |
and nobody even understands async |
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sri |
that's the biggest problem |
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sri |
i might rip it out as a whole and replace it with something easier to understand |
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yko |
only? i was thinking that if ioloop isn't running than ->start should block always |
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sri |
yko: IT CAN'T!!!!! |
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sri |
that's the whole point |
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sri |
yko: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]ook#Non2DBlocking # look! |
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sri |
i've documented $async->get(...)->start; $async->ioloop->start; |
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sri |
which is total bullshit |
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sri |
if i fix it then the first start will block until the request finished and the second will block infinitely afterwards |
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yko |
hey, dont you shout on me please, i've already hassle a bit with my gf and my old father |
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yko |
don't want it anymore :) |
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* sri |
has no idea what to do |
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marcus |
stick your head in the ground! |
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* sri |
sticks his head in the ground |
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crab |
the hard, stony ground? |
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marcus |
yes! |
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marty |
morning! |
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purl |
Mornings are great. Every time you experience morning, you're not dead yet! |
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marty |
Wow! sri, sounds like you are having a baaad day. :( |
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sri |
hmm, maybe async shouldn't work in cgi, fastcgi, psgi environments |
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sri |
fallback might be too much magic anyway |
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marty |
I suggest you deny everything and blame it on your new SSD. :P |
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sri |
think i'll make ->async mean "make client give up ioloop control" |
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sri |
no more fallback magic |
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sri |
if you go async you have to know what it actually means |
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yko |
ьфниу ерші ші еру иуіе іщдгешщт |
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yko |
maybe this is the best solution |
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sri |
it's simple and predictable |
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sri |
and stuff stays mostly the same |
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yko |
other one is to not inherit loop from sync client, but start singleton one managing when to stop it... |
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yko |
anyway its magic that will shout your leg one day |
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yko |
*shoot |
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sri, have you setup mojo on apache2 with mod_fcgid? |
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sri |
that will break all documented examples again |
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sri |
elb0w: i don't really do much fastcgi anymore |
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sri |
and surely not with apache |
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elb0w |
So is hypnotoad the recommended server with mojo then? |
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sri |
i like it most |
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sri |
but you'll have to decide for yourself |
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elb0w |
Well im more worrying about stability with high traffic |
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elb0w |
I have never used it |
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sri |
yko: sorry for the shouting btw |
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yko |
np, i understand you |
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yko |
today is bad day to do anything. especially communicating |
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sri |
elb0w: stability with high traffic? didn't you use dreamhost before? Oo |
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elb0w |
hahah |
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elb0w |
good point |
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purl |
nice and sharp |
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yko |
i already have two quarrels today. i think ill close all aims, mail clients, windows and doors, switch off mobiles and get drunk till tommorow |
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elb0w |
dreamhost was always just a staging platform |
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elb0w |
I will give hypnotoad a shot tonight |
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sri |
quite sure you are overthinking it |
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sri |
build your app, and worry about scaling when it becomes actually a problem |
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yko |
sri++ |
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sri |
heck, run the first version as a cgi |
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yko |
yea, http://korshak.name/months/ was written in 20 minutes as experiment and i still use it |
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yko |
if i dont run it in cgi i would still mix months names |
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crab |
eh, i didn't realise .ua has different month names |
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crab |
why is this a cgi? it doesn't seem to *do* anything |
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2x more exciting than watching paint dry. |
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yko |
crab it really don't do anything, but i was experimenting with i18n and Lite those days |
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and ye, .ua has own language with similar to .ru, but has a lot of differences |
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yko |
almost all .ua speak .ru and can understand (on a simple level) .pl |
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crab: oh wait. it does! that page does i18n :D just a simple test |
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sri |
grr |
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sri |
people have been using ->async for no reason at all :S |
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sri |
the fallback was a very very stupid idea in the first place |
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im excited to use hypnotoad now |
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weeee |
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sri |
positive news, ->start becomes optional again for async clients |
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I have a BRILLIANT feature request |
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there should be a command and switch to the hypnotoad command that plays the sound to alsa devices |
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tempire_ |
hypnotoad glory --all |
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sri |
BRILLIANT! |
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coincidentally, I had beans for breakfast |
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I'm trying to spider some huge html with Mojo::Client and the response body gets cut off; what's the thing to set to avoid that? |
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dotan |
Oh, and good evening. |
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dotan |
"you can use the MOJO_MAX_LINE_SIZE environment variable or the max_line_size attribute of Mojo::Message to change this value." - is this a class attribute? |
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I mean MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE |
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yo |
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moritz |
hello |
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dotan |
hi |
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purl |
hey, dotan. |
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dotan |
yo, purl |
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purl |
y0!! |
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moritz |
botsnack |
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purl |
:) |
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dotan |
sheeeeeyeeeet. The page I was trying to spider is 200Mb. |
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I should probably skip trying to parse this with Mojo::DOM... |
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So, how do I process the page the client is loading in chunks? |
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sri |
wow, i've found a very very old bug on the way |
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that might have caused some random test failures |
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crab |
on the way to fixing async or something else? |
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sri |
yea |
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sri: do streaming responses play well with redirects? |
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sri |
don't ask, write a test! |
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sri |
:) |
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OK :) |
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sri |
the bug also affected the way your tests have to be ordered |
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sri |
i know some of you noticed that one before |
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dotan |
sri: ok, I wrote my test. redirection and streaming responses don't seem to mix https://gist.github.com/832561 |
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sri |
dotan: i don't see a streaming response |
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sri: I meant the client is trying to stream the response from the server |
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* sri |
doesn't follow |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]oller#write_chunk # this is streaming |
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dotan |
sri: trying to read the server's response in chunks instead of waiting for it to download |
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dotan |
sri: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]treaming_Response # this is the streaming I'm talking about |
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* sri |
really doesn't follow |
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sri |
that makes absolutely no sense |
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sri |
if you're writing one chunk there is nothing that could be streamed, nowhere |
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dotan |
sri: ok, maybe it doesn't |
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dotan |
sri: the real life scenario is I'm trying to scrape a site where you post a query and get 200Mb of HTML in response. |
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dotan |
and there's a redirect in between |
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sri |
and? |
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purl |
rumour has it and is a relatively small number of classes anyway |
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sri |
you're not following me on twitter are you? ;p |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]Followup_Requests |
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dotan |
on_start, you say? |
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sri |
the mojo get command streams to stdout that way, even after redirects |
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crab |
purl: no, and is <reply> |
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purl |
okay, crab. |
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sri: thanks! |
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sri |
wtf? there's a mojolicious link on perlbuzz |
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stares at tempire |
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dotan |
I think I found mojo originally via perlbuzz... |
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sri |
:o |
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tempire_ |
\o/ |
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dotan |
Yes! Works! (streaming spidering blah) Yay! |
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dotan |
Now, weekend |
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GitHub11 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 4945d3b (13 files in 7 dirs): fixed Mojo::Client async mode - http://bit.ly/gaNPBi |
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sri |
please test |
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sri |
i'm sure it will break some apps |
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sri |
documented cases are mostly the same |
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sri |
but many undocumented and untested ones will break |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/Client#async # i guess this description is a lot better |
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sri |
"Disable automatic Mojo::IOLoop management and the need to call start." |
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sri |
and in case you were using the $self->client->async->ioloop trick, you should be able to replace that with Mojo::IOLoop->singleton now |
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sri |
but i guess only xantus uses that anyway ;p |
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sri |
and Mojo::IOLoop->singleton->is_running can be used to tell if you're in an async capable environment |
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* sri |
feels a lot better about this solution |
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sri |
no surprises, everything is one dimensional and predictable |
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sri |
maybe i'll deprecate the ->async method too |
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sri |
an attribute seems more appropriate now |
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sri |
like $client->managed(0) |
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tempire_ |
The $client->ioloop->start after the async->get is what starts the async call? |
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sri |
the loop just needs to run |
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sri |
only the managed client keeps a queue |
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sri |
the unmanaged one starts right away |
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tempire_ |
when you talk about managed vs unmanaged, that's the new functionality, right? was there managed and unmanaged request types before? |
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sri |
it was async and sync before |
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tempire_ |
ah, ok |
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sri |
but even our sync mode is rally async |
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sri |
managed and unmanaged is easier to grok |
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tempire_ |
not too me |
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tempire_ |
*to |
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sri |
managed means automatic ioloop management |
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sri |
unmanaged, you are responsible |
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tempire_ |
oh, so you're not replacing the descriptions with new words, you're changing the foundation of how it works |
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tempire_ |
that makes more sense |
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sri |
? |
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sri |
it was pretty much like that before too |
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tempire_ |
nevermind. carry on, I'll catch up. |
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sri |
:) |
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sri |
nobody really understood it -.- |
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crab |
do i need to use an unmanaged client to make multiple parallel requests? |
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sri |
NO! |
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runs around screaming |
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* sri |
falls into the alligator pit |
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crab |
so i don't think i need an unmanaged client, period. |
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sri |
most likely not |
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crab |
(the alligator pit is empty. some german guy whom we will not name ate all the alligators, and because of budget cuts we couldn't acquire any new ones.) |
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sri |
yko is not german |
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crab |
indeed not. |
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sri |
hmm, somehow i don't like the attribute name "managed" |
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crab |
->entrepreneurial(0) |
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sri |
->happy_hour(0) |
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crab |
what? happy hour until you explicitly turn it off?! |
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nods |
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sri |
->yes_i_really_know_what_i_m_doing(0) |
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sri |
http://www.git-tower.com # looks cool |
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gittower is hella buggy |
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tempire_ |
At least it was 2 months ago when I tried to use it. |
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sri++ |
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Twitter: "Wrote a quick OpenBSD errata scraper with Mojo::Client between the busy I was today - http://t.co/VNgzcGF #Mojolicious #Perl" --AFreshOne http://twitter.com/AFreshOne/s[…]38384641576542208 |
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tempire_ |
This interview is quite a bit different from the one I read about catalyst |
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tempire_ |
I recall sri saying that newbies should not really contribute, as catalyst was using cutting edge perl tech |
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tempire_ |
VIVA LA REVOLUCION! |
