Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-02-24

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00:07 perlrocks Twitter: "blogs.perl.org: Logginz from the console with Mojolicious http://bit.ly/eOcTZg" (sv) --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempirete​ch/status/40563369106882560
00:14 tempire_ lulz
00:14 tempire_ apparently lolcats speak swedish natively
00:17 sri lulz
00:17 sri tempire++
00:18 tempire_ purl: karma tempire
00:18 purl tempire has karma of 8
00:18 tempire_ \o/
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00:22 perlrocks Twitter: "Glen Hinkle (tempire): Logginz from the console with Mojolicious http://bit.ly/fg35Uq" (sv) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/40567280450412544
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00:46 GitHub7 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 15af264 (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed route unescaping bug - http://bit.ly/hSM5i1
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01:06 GitHub100 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * d866bc3 (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed another small route escaping bug - http://bit.ly/ga2grg
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01:40 GitHub119 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * e0164cc (1 files in 1 dirs): added test - http://bit.ly/gAuOIH
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03:07 tempire This is a real word: http://dictionary.referenc​e.com/browse/Perlustration
03:12 julien hey guys
03:13 julien can I get the path of the current request somewhere in the controller ? I found the method in $self->req->method but not the URL.
03:23 hoelzro julien: $self->req->url?
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03:33 julien hoelzro: uh.... I don't know how I missed that
03:34 julien too much information in the dump of $self :)
03:35 hoelzro julien: =)
03:38 hoelzro it happens to the best of us!
03:38 hoelzro if there were 4 (non-guide) POD documents to read, I'd suggest the following as a fellow Mojolicious newbie:
03:38 hoelzro Mojolicious, Mojolicious::Controller, Mojolicious::Transaction, Mojolicious::Message::Request
03:44 julien just for clarification, if I call an app function from the controller, like OneNW->get_url($self->param('shorturl')), the first argument that is passed to "get_url" is the name of my app, and not my parameter
03:44 hoelzro julien: are you new to Perl?
03:45 julien hoelzro: I've been coding small stuffs for a few years but I'm no developper
03:45 hoelzro ok =)
03:45 hoelzro so, OO Perl
03:45 hoelzro $something->method(@args)
03:45 hoelzro that means that in method, @_ = ($something, @args)
03:45 julien ok, simple
03:45 hoelzro for a more comprehensive intro to OO Perl, there's a bunch of docs on perldoc.perl.org
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03:47 julien hoelzro: I learn while progressing :)
03:47 julien I've been using plain old perl for most of my admin scripts, but with mojolicious there no choice, need to learn OO :)
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03:49 hoelzro whatever works!
03:49 purl "whatever works" is not always the best solution. or - but it's good enough
03:52 julien TIMTOWTDI, as they say
03:53 hoelzro yup
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05:43 crab sri: i'd be happy with form_for 'x':
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06:42 perlrocks Twitter: "@ Nyarla use verbal rather than image Django <Perl Python is not it, I guess I'll Mojo, but never used!" (ja) --hell2u http://twitter.com/hell2u/status/40662784756686850
06:51 hoelzro Test::Mojo looks really nice, but why doesn't like have element_not_exists and friends?
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07:34 Christian morning
07:55 marcus hoelzro: I'm sure pull requests to add more test options are welcome.
07:55 marcus hoelzro: what's the use_case for element_not_exists?
08:06 koban hi all!
08:06 koban how can i set default route?
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09:42 oleber crab: As I told you before, I have an old package that already uses LWP. I don't want to rewrit it
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10:20 MojoGuest251 test
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10:43 sri good morning fellow relatives of skynet
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12:10 marcus hmm, annoying
12:10 marcus Even tho we use the TT renderer, the error message when the template is missing is debug Mojolicious::Plugin::EplRenderer:61 [75404]: Template "events/view.html.ep" not found.
12:11 sri marcus: come up with a better solution
12:12 sri not like we know which template system the user wanted to use
12:13 sri in fact i think that message comes from the ep renderer
12:13 marcus yeah, it does
12:13 marcus I think it should be fixed in the TT renderer
12:13 marcus seems like it's just falling through to the ep renderer if it can't find the template
12:14 marcus if I make events/view.html.tt the error goes away
12:15 marcus it feels like I fixed this before or something :/
12:15 sri i guess default_handler decides which one gets a try if no handler could be detected
12:16 marcus hmm
12:17 marcus but default_handler is tt
12:17 marcus actually..
12:19 marcus oh, TtRenderer plugin doesn't set the default
12:19 marcus I'll submit a patch to ask
12:19 sri make sure logging is good too
12:21 marcus Thu Feb 24 13:19:04 2011 error MojoX::Renderer::TT:87 [75404]: Template error in "events/view.html.tt": file error - events/view.html.tt: No such file or directory
12:22 marcus hrm, seems setting default_handler changes which exception template it looks for too
12:22 marcus so now it complains about no exception.html.tt
12:22 marcus exception.development.html.tt even
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12:27 sri that's what you wanted
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12:42 marcus sri: yepp
12:42 marcus it's fine
12:42 sri it doesn't actually change what it looks for though
12:42 marcus http://blog.liip.ch/archive/2011​/02/24/why-we-stick-to-php.html php is starting to feel our pain =)
12:43 marcus sri: it looks great. actually renders the 'file error -' message in the browser as well
12:43 sri it can still detect exception and not_found templates with all valid extensions
12:43 marcus unlike eprenderer
12:44 sri hmm, that might actually have negative side effects
12:45 sri tt renderer will require more ->render_later calls
12:45 marcus it will
12:45 sri i can't add ep template not found messages because they wouldn't be backwards compatible :(
12:47 marcus save it for .ep2 ;-)
12:47 sri heh
12:47 sri .e!
12:47 marcus ATTACK OF THE CLONES!
12:47 purl well, attack of the clones is a shitty name though, maybe it'll change or a shitty movie
12:48 marcus ATTACK OF THE CLOWN!
12:48 * sri hides under bed
12:49 sri "i have kids! eat them!"
12:53 marcus liar, you don't have kids
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12:57 * sri pushes marcus into the alligator pit
12:57 marcus pushState!
12:58 * moritz rollbacks marcus to his last safe point
12:58 sri :/
13:01 marcus \o/
13:03 marcus sri: http://bulknews.typepad.com/blog/2011/0​2/findbin-__file__-0-and-psgi-woes.html
13:04 marcus will it bork mojo?
13:04 sri unlikely
13:05 sri it is more likely to help us get rid of many ugly hacks
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13:11 sri marcus: haha, they are starting to call it Modern PHPH
13:11 sri *-G
13:11 sri argh
13:11 marcus sri: :D
13:12 sri *-H
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13:49 hoelzro marcus: well, currently, I
13:50 hoelzro I'm creating a web app that, after 3 bad login requests, displays a captcha for your IP for 15 minutes until you get it right
13:50 hoelzro I want to verify the captcha's non-existence on the first 3 requests, and verify its existence afterwards
13:53 elb0w Just wanted to say thank you for hypnotoad again rofl. Literally takes the most obnoxious part of web dev to me out of the equation :)
13:53 elb0w #mojo++
13:57 sri http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ # oh, new features
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14:01 jwang looks nice
14:01 jwang any news on a new MBP?
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14:01 jwang looks like very screenshot on that page is for the air
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14:04 sri http://www.apple.com/ # it's on the front page now
14:04 sri http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
14:05 jwang nice, glad I didn't get one over xmas
14:05 jwang I would have if they had the config I wanted in-store
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14:11 * sri is still happy with his 2009 mbp
14:11 sri (with ssd upgrade)
14:11 marcus I'm not going to upgrade either
14:12 sri lion seems cool though, something to look forward to
14:14 sri hmm, 13" is still just dual core
14:14 jwang yeah, Lion does look cool
14:14 jwang I probably wouldn't upgrade if I had a mbp 4 already either. I'm still on an iphone 3, looking forward to the 5
14:15 sri gonna stick with the iphone 4 too i guess
14:17 jwang mbp has a few downsides, but you don't get apple for the specs. no BlueRay, 1080p, BluRay
14:17 marcus I upgrade my ios devices every time there's a cycle :)
14:17 marcus looking forward to ipad 2 next week
14:17 sri don't think i actually want facetime hd... way too much details...
14:17 jwang heh
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14:46 perlrocks Twitter: "Wondering how long it will take until the first # # cherokee mojolicious applications hit the market. http://cherokee-market.com/ # perl" (de) --cghene http://twitter.com/cghene/status/40784542860050432
14:49 sri that looks like a scam
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15:42 elb0w Smiling Cat Face With Heart-Shaped Eyes
15:42 elb0w lol.
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16:19 Christian nive evening to you all
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16:30 GitHub138 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 6ab261e (1 files in 1 dirs): added some more test cases - http://bit.ly/h9LTDZ
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16:42 MojoGuest24 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (253 hits)
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16:58 crab Christian: (a) wishes us a nice evening every day, and (b) almost always types nive instead of nice.
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17:15 marcus I don't understand cherokee market
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17:39 ZadYree Greetings
17:42 * sri waves
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19:04 crab i realised one reason to use stash 'x' instead of $x in templates: if you're not sure if the variable will be set or not.
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19:21 sri crab: exactly, but generlly i would suggest making stash values default to undef
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19:29 sri http://www.phenona.com # this could be very interesting
19:38 elb0w http://dev.elbowrage.com/easy/mode
19:38 elb0w :o
19:38 elb0w this is entertaining me
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19:42 crab hum.
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19:49 marcus http://dev.elbowrage.com/RAGE
19:49 marcus :D
19:51 sri :o
20:00 mmmpork heya i have a question about hypnotoad
20:00 mmmpork where does it write logs?
20:00 mmmpork I didn't see anything in the configuration for where to specify a log file
20:01 xantus btw, chrome will show its web service 404 page (if checked in the options, but it is default)
20:02 xantus you can get around this by having a larger 404 page :/
20:03 xantus > 512 bytes I think
20:06 sri mmmpork: application log
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20:10 MojoGuest318 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (254 hits)
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20:15 elb0w so im trying to get data from a url using LWP::Simple::get("url");
20:15 elb0w but im getting errors
20:15 elb0w undefined sub
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20:16 GitHub108 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 337a975 (1 files in 1 dirs): improved long polling test - http://bit.ly/hr9cyI
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20:17 marcus xcode 4 is a huuge improvement
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20:31 elb0w How do I use the Mojo::Client to get text from a webpage. I am failing :x
20:32 sri there's an example on the frontpage
20:32 elb0w my $text = $client->get("url"); $text->res->content->asset
20:32 elb0w am I doing it wrong?
20:32 elb0w k will look
20:32 sri $client->get("url")->res->body
20:32 elb0w oh
20:33 sri i'm sure there a dozens of examples
20:33 elb0w awesome that worked
20:33 elb0w yea was looking over cpan
20:33 elb0w as I asked
20:33 elb0w ty
20:34 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/Client#SYNOPSIS
20:34 perlrocks Twitter: "My online course pooped out today.. Think I'll play around with #mojolicious instead." --jamiepopkin http://twitter.com/jamiepopk​in/status/40872178710749184
20:34 sri the fact that the synopsis has the answer on line 1 makes feel bad about answering the question :/
20:35 elb0w yeah I should of gone here first
20:35 elb0w sorry bout that
20:36 sri marcus: lion looks good too
20:36 marcus yeah, it does
20:37 sri not sure what to think of the server features though
20:37 sri wiki server?
20:43 chansen marcus: I think cherokee market is a cool idea, don't you?
20:43 sri omg, aqua scrollbar is finally gone
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20:43 marcus chansen: I don't understand it
20:44 marcus chansen: is it tied to the cherokee web server?
20:44 chansen basically it's a zero effort installation of server server-side apps
20:44 chansen yes, it's tided to cherokee
20:44 chansen s/tided/tied/
20:44 chansen but not platform
20:46 marcus chansen: testing it now
20:53 marcus 504 Gateway Timeout :/
20:54 chansen worked for me a few hours ago, perhaps it's due to news coverage
20:55 marcus that's after i chose to create a standard config file
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20:59 MojoGuest999 From: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1277067 (255 hits)
21:00 ZadYree Q: How to control the size of an input form box using mojo syntax?
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21:09 elb0w http://dev.elbowrage.com/whereis/147.53.9.170
21:09 elb0w mojo ftw
21:09 elb0w :o
21:09 sri :)
21:09 elb0w http://dev.elbowrage.com/whereami
21:10 elb0w accurate?
21:10 sri it is
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21:10 elb0w this is a lot of fun
21:10 elb0w im glad my boss is on vacation
21:10 elb0w LOL
21:10 sri you should generate json though to increase the coolness factor
21:11 elb0w yeah, was doing this mostly as a test
21:12 elb0w im on ec2 free tier think ill go disable this now haha
21:12 sri haha
21:15 ZadYree Any clue, gentlemen?
21:17 sri ZadYree: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojoli​cious/Plugin/TagHelpers#input_tag
21:17 ZadYree thanks!
21:20 chansen sri: perhaps a paragraph about which/arbitrary attributes that are supported would help?
21:20 sri chansen: you mean tag helpers?
21:21 sri they accept everything
21:21 chansen yeah, but is that stated in the docs?
21:21 tempire_ I don't have high hopes for phenona
21:22 tempire_ They don't have a designer.
21:22 sri chansen: experimental module, the docs state pretty much nothing yet ;p
21:22 chansen sri: ok ;P
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21:26 tempire_ ah, their blog is more encouraging
21:26 sri yes it is
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21:27 sri it's not really heroku like though
21:27 sri he's going with full ec2 instance per app
21:28 sri which will be rather expensive in the end
21:28 sri pretty much no chance of a free tier
21:30 sri http://www.phenona.com/blo​g/phenona-business-model/ # oh, just as we mention it
21:31 sri yea, 30 euro per month for a small instance
21:33 sri ah, includes bandwidth
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21:49 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious community grows huge strides. Discussions are raging!))" (ru) --mcsseifer http://twitter.com/mcsseife​r/status/40891061228417024
21:49 * tempire_ rages
21:49 marcus is that true?
21:49 * sri joins the rage
21:49 tempire_ DO YOU HERE ME?!?! I'M RAGING!
21:50 marcus tempire_: I HAIR YOU!
21:50 sri ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!
21:50 tempire_ TO THE MOJOLICIOUS!
21:52 xantus sri: http://www.dereuromark.de/2011/01​/15/prevent-friendly-error-page/
21:52 xantus I suggest that the default 404 page is > 512 bytes
21:53 sri hmm
21:54 xantus woot!
21:55 xantus ordered my xoom, I should have it tomorrow or saturday
21:56 tempire_ next up, macbook pro
21:56 tempire_ xantus: did you pay full price?
21:56 tempire_ or get the contract
21:56 xantus yeah, full
21:58 xantus I choose to replace my MiFi plan with the xoom
21:58 xantus Which leaves me paying less a month too
21:59 xantus $59 vs $35
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21:59 GitHub52 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 91972d7 (1 files in 1 dirs): prevent MSIE and Chrome friendly error page - http://bit.ly/eFHR37
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22:00 marcus nice
22:00 marcus I hate those error pages
22:00 marcus I never understand if the network failed or the web server
22:01 sri yea
22:02 sri can't wait for aqua scrollbars to die!
22:03 sri really like how safaru looks in the lion video
22:03 sri s/u/i/
22:03 sri back and forward with animations is also a nice touch
22:04 sri it will make textmate look even more dated though :/
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22:16 chansen marcus: how is your experience with cherokee market?
22:17 tempire_ it seems to me that sublime is fast becoming the new  hotness.
22:17 chansen sri: you should develop a a installer for it!
22:17 sri http://www.nodejitsu.com # they have a marketplace too it seems
22:17 marcus chansen: now it's asking me for some username/password
22:18 marcus (cherokee-admin)
22:18 perlrocks Twitter: "#Mojolicious teaches you that there is nothing permanent - especially API…" --und3f http://twitter.com/und3f/status/40898309631508480
22:19 chansen marcus: woot? did you follow the basic guides?
22:19 marcus chansen: yea
22:20 chansen sri: yeah, but mojo runs atop of v8, don't you? ;P
22:20 chansen marcus: strange, it just worked for me
22:21 sri damn, that voice in the video is annoying
22:21 sri why can't all narrators sound like morgan freeman?
22:22 chansen s/but/ I don't think/
22:23 chansen marcus: I just tried to install Joomla and it worked flawlessly
22:23 marcus or david attenborough
22:24 crab und3f sounds annoyed
22:24 marcus chansen: most php stuff does :)
22:25 sri crab: he has no reason to
22:25 marcus ml?
22:25 purl rumour has it ml is a very very strongly typed language that is vaguely lisplike. or found at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu​.edu/project/fox/mosaic/sml.html or mailing list or TF mailing list. or the catalyst mailing lists at http://dev.catalystframework.org/wiki/Support or mailing list or meta-language or http://caml.inria.fr/ or http://www.smlnj.org/
22:25 chansen marcus: which apps fails for you?
22:25 sri crab: he uses tons of experimental features and cries when something breaks
22:25 tempire_ I would be annoyed too if I ignored 'experimental' warnings
22:25 marcus chansen: no apps. I can't even get into the damn store.
22:26 tempire_ but that's the difference between responsible production deployment
22:26 chansen sri: thats life, there is no such thing as "experimental features"!!! ;P
22:26 chansen marcus: ok
22:27 sri of course there is, evolution adds and removes experimental features all the time!!!
22:27 chansen lol, have you forgotten your catalyst days? ;P
22:28 sri i barely remember yesterday...
22:28 chansen make notes!! You are younger than me IIRC ;P
22:29 chansen sri: I was born 1975, you?
22:29 marcus chansen is even older than me
22:29 sri wow
22:29 * sri finally feels young again!
22:30 * marcus was born late 76
22:31 marcus Just finished watching three days later. Time for bed.
22:31 tardisx whippersnappers
22:31 sri 81 here
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22:32 chansen sri, marcus: you are kids ;P
22:32 marcus chansen: I also have kids
22:32 marcus or at least one
22:32 purl i heard at least one was NO THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE, HIGHLANDER!
22:33 crab i was born in 1961.
22:33 chansen marcus: no excuse ;P
22:33 sri (you know of)
22:33 crab or was it 1942? i find it hard to remember these days.
22:33 crab sri: haha
22:33 marcus it's her second birthday on sunday
22:33 * crab imagines marcus running around leaving babies across the countryside
22:34 marcus Actually, that is arne's job.
22:34 chansen marcus: congrats =)
22:34 marcus He's learning mojolicious now too =)
22:34 marcus since we're using it for a web project.
22:34 marcus he said he liked the messages from mojolicious better than catalyst
22:35 tardisx it's sad but the exceptions are much prettier than my app :-(
22:36 marcus tardisx++
22:36 * sri hugs tardisx
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22:36 marcus really going to bed now..
22:37 tardisx :-)
22:37 tardisx I guess I should go to work :-/
22:37 tardisx friday though, \o/ for that
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22:56 chansen sri, marcus: Just because I'm an old guy, don't mean I like partying and wont visit you some day ;P
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23:06 perlrocks Twitter: "Websockets make development on the web waaaay to easy. Special thanks to #mojolicious #html5" --jamiepopkin http://twitter.com/jamiepopk​in/status/40910539693498368
23:21 * sri wonders if a perl_config plugin would make sense
23:21 perlrocks Twitter: "Wanna connect with fellow contemporary artists/creative thinkers/entrepreneurs for mojolicious biz sessions over cuppa+cake?Reach out to us!" --undergroundtea http://twitter.com/undergroun​dtea/status/40914275816058880
23:24 tempire_ Mojolicious: sessions over cuppa cakes
23:48 mateu kgt5ktc[df"CF"?ghp.89;80'G?
23:48 mateu es/d;./g';o['rczdFD4
23:49 tempire_ those are not cuppa cakes.
23:52 sri no they are not
23:58 sri i need a new futurama quote, quick!

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