Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-02-28

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00:02 sri http://kraih.spreadshirt.de/perl-5​-raptor-shirt-predator-A15291361/c​ustomize/color/2/customize/color/2 # it is back :D
00:03 sri much cheaper now
00:03 jwang yep
00:04 jwang and no longer available in a rainbow of colors
00:04 jwang not that it's any big loss
00:04 sri you can have any color, as long as it is black!
00:07 jwang looking good
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00:26 j-v-e if I have a config value named 'conf1', the file is parsed with json_config but how do I access it from the controller ? there is nothing in $self->stash->{conf1} or app->stash->{conf1}
00:31 j-v-e code is here: http://4u.1nw.eu/mojolicious_test_conf.png
00:53 sri j-v-e: umm, that makes no sense at all
00:53 sri your primary lite app does not load the config plugin
00:54 sri and your secondary is useless
00:54 sri where did you see that?
00:54 sri please read the documentation
01:30 j-v-e the documentation has a lot of examples, so that great, but the explanations are a bit short for a beginner
01:30 j-v-e but I understood my problem :) thanks
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03:07 perlrocks Twitter: "Just checked in Komodo support for Mojolicious template language "ep", but I'm calling it "EPerl" to avoid any confusion for now." --ericpromislow http://twitter.com/ericpromis​low/status/42058183371534336
03:08 perlrocks Twitter: "@ericpromislow That may be confused with Embperl.  How about something like Mojolicious-EP?" --kjwcode http://twitter.com/kjwcode​/status/42058590776852480
03:10 perlrocks Twitter: "@ericpromislow Or "mojolicious" of course. :)" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/42058973804765184
03:10 perlrocks Twitter: "@ericpromislow Works for me!  Hopefully I'll have time to give it a whirl this week.  I'm looking forward to playing with Mojolicious." --kjwcode http://twitter.com/kjwcode​/status/42059079165820928
03:12 perlrocks Twitter: "@ericpromislow It really depends on if you also cover templates in the DATA section, then i'd go with "mojolicious"." --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/42059434414968833
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05:12 GitHub113 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * d0dc228 (1 files in 1 dirs): added link - http://bit.ly/heeah7
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05:33 zenon Howdy good folks, can anyone please suggest a way to implement access control lists (and routing) through ::lite ?
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05:36 GitHub109 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 2610462 (1 files in 1 dirs): small pod tweaks - http://bit.ly/dK7vSP
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05:59 crab zenon: bridges
06:00 sri or "under" in lite
06:01 crab bridge... under... troll!
06:01 sri :)
06:01 crab that's the basis of authentication with mojo. if you don't have the password, a troll blocks your way.
06:04 sri yay, blog post for later written and everything prepared for the raptor logo release, time to lay back and relax a bit :)
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06:33 crab meanwhile, here the day is just starting.
06:42 zenon Thanks Sri
06:58 minimalist what is a proper way to define default values for variables in the templates, without using the stash?
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07:10 crab minimalist: what's the proper way to cook an egg without a frying pan?
07:11 crab why would you want to *do* such a thing? mojo has a stash. it is good and helpful. use it.
07:12 minimalist What if a varaible is not defined in the stash and the template is using it? It dies miserably.
07:13 minimalist I use the stash, but setting defaults is a good thing.
07:14 crab set the defaults IN the stash
07:14 crab either app->defaults or just $self->stash(...) or even pass them in with render()
07:14 crab also, in a template where you really don't know if a variable is set or not, use the stash helper
07:14 minimalist what if I'm 'include'-ing a template from another template and I don't have all of the varibales handy?
07:14 crab i.e. instead of $foo use: stash 'foo' || "default"
07:15 crab minimalist: <%= include 'other', some => "val", other => "val" %>
07:15 minimalist ok, that'll do
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07:17 minimalist The proper way to cook an egg without a frying pan is in a microwave. See, I also answer your questions.
07:20 crab BUT BUT... what if i only want to use waves with a lower frequency???
07:20 minimalist then your egg will cook slower
07:24 minimalist crab, I'm not able to use 'include' at all. Nothing gets included ... You have any tips?
07:27 minimalist I include files in the same directory ... no luck. Could it be only .epl feature?
07:27 marcus damnit
07:28 * marcus forgot it !#$%!#$! access card
07:28 crab minimalist: i don't know the difference between ep and epl
07:28 crab is ep the new one and epl the old, or the other way around?
07:28 minimalist epl is for lite
07:28 marcus epl is the old one
07:28 crab oh no
07:29 crab there's no lite/not-lite distinction, that i know
07:29 crab i mean. there's nothing that says you have to use epl in lite
07:29 marcus nope
07:30 marcus .epl used to be embedded perl language or something
07:30 marcus sri just rebranded it to be able to make .ep without breaking backwards compat
07:34 minimalist ok, it seems that include is only available for files in the template root or the current controller dir.
07:35 crab does the EPO have its own template format? :-)
07:35 minimalist for example if your template is /templates/foo/bar.html.ep, you can only include files from /templates or /templates/foo
07:36 crab doesn't sound right
07:36 minimalist either that or I'm nuts
07:41 minimalist disregard everything i said. I'm too tired now, I'll try again tomorrow.
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10:16 oleber Hy all
10:17 oleber in Test::Mojo, hoe do I simulate a post request with a body having a content type 'application/json'
10:17 oleber ???
10:30 crab post_ok('/url', {"Content-Type" => "..."}, "...content...")
10:32 oleber crab: thanks
10:33 oleber IS there a good documentation about it
10:33 oleber I really looked arround and I find nothing telling this
10:33 crab um, the Test::Mojo manpage?
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10:34 oleber not so good
10:34 oleber http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/Mojoli​cious-1.11/lib/Test/Mojo.pm#post_ok
10:36 crab i don't think there is anything else.
10:38 oleber My English is terrible, but I may help if someone tell me how
10:39 crab how what?
10:41 crab i would also like to see, for every method, a description saying "this method takes a foo, a bar, and a baz as arguments and does p, q, and r, and returns x". but this is a lot of work to do and to maintain, and it's not much in vogue in perl documentation.
10:42 oleber I may help on the documentation
10:43 oleber maybe some examples, could do all the diference
10:43 oleber my question is basic
10:43 oleber or was basic
10:43 oleber I was needing to simulate a JSON request
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10:56 crab oleber: you can submit patches by email to the list or as github pull requests
10:57 crab (if that's what you meant with "someone tell me how")
11:04 koban1 oleber: script/myapp --method GET --header 'Content-Type: application/json' --content '{"id":1,"title":"abc"}'
11:04 koban1 would it be suitable for you?
11:04 oleber hy koban1
11:05 oleber the idea of crab is correct
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11:05 oleber I need (I love it) to do Unit testing,
11:05 koban1 argh, sorry, you need it in Test::Mojo
11:06 koban1 then https://github.com/kraih/mojo/bl​ob/master/lib/Test/Mojo.pm#L449
11:07 crab GET can't have content
11:07 koban1 & crab's advice :)
11:07 crab or, well, GET shouldn't have content :-)
11:08 koban1 ouch, of course 'script/myapp get --method POST ... ' is better :)
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11:19 Christian moin
11:24 * crab gnaws on Christian's head in a friendly manner
11:26 Christian :D
11:27 crab so, Christian, what do you use mojo for?
11:28 Christian for little project in the firm i work
11:29 Christian we test it and when it is good for uns we will use it, my boss wnat to have one framework, because it is easy i we have one framework an not every programmer his own :)
11:30 Christian and at this point i want to use mojo!!!
11:42 perlrocks Twitter: "http://koorchik.blogspot.com/​2010/11/mojolicious-lite.html" --afiskon http://twitter.com/afiskon​/status/42187942252396544
11:49 crab it feels strange to see perl code with russian comments.
11:51 Christian crab, why are you asking?
11:51 DaTa at least he doesn't use utf8; sub запуска { } :)
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12:12 espent can default tag url_for render complete uri with full hostname by only saying <%= uri_for '/' %> ?
12:12 crab Christian: just random curiosity
12:13 crab Christian: usually you only say "good morning" and "have a nice evening" :-)
12:13 espent actually its url_for, catalyst is uri_for
12:13 crab espent: i don't think so.
12:14 espent need it for jquery getJSON... dont think it will do anything without
12:15 espent i'll put it in my config file for now
12:15 koban1 url_for('/')->to_abs maybe?
12:16 espent koban1: yup, that works! thanx!
12:17 koban1 :)
12:18 Christian crab, I have really little time. I hope it change in the next time, then I can more write than "good morning" and "have a nice evening" ;)
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13:59 elb0w So I am trying to get this controller to be recognized but im failing hard. http://pastie.org/1616767 I want to get facebook.pm to work. I tried doing namespace 'Elbow::Social::Facebook' and then point it to the action, what am I missing?
14:01 moritz try to call it Facebook.pm
14:01 crab shouldn;t your namespace be Elbow::Social and your controller#action be facebook#whatever?
14:01 elb0w Well I tried both
14:01 elb0w Im not sure what I am doing wrong
14:04 crab what is it dispatching?
14:04 elb0w $r->route('/gt_test')->to('facebook#welcome', namespace => 'Elbow::Social')
14:04 elb0w is there something wrong with that?
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14:13 sri good morning fellow monsters
14:13 elb0w ah figured it out
14:13 elb0w nvm ty
14:13 elb0w morning
14:13 moritz elb0w: what was the problem?
14:13 elb0w im an idiot
14:13 elb0w txt != text
14:14 elb0w hate making dumb errors like that haah
14:25 sri http://blog.kraih.com/a-logo-for-perl-5
14:25 elb0w dinosaur?
14:25 purl dinosaur is http://u.nix.is/wtdinosaur.swf or DINOSAURS AND SODOMY!!!
14:26 elb0w i like it
14:26 elb0w sri++
14:26 sri :)
14:26 elb0w purl, is that SFW?
14:28 elb0w I keep leaning towards python but lately ive been thinking of letting that go and fully embracing perl
14:28 elb0w hard decision to make
14:28 elb0w :o
14:29 moritz there's no need for a final decision
14:29 moritz I speak German and English every day too
14:29 elb0w Well its more of a career choice
14:29 elb0w Ive debugged some really hairy perl
14:29 elb0w thats made me want to just rewrite entire applications
14:30 elb0w im sure you all have haha
14:32 elb0w Its funny, ive read books on python, c#, C++ but never perl. I use perl 90% more than anything else lol
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14:52 elb0w it should have a monocle and top hat to show its distinguished as well haha :o
14:59 sri heh
15:02 elb0w so when I render as json only chrome shows me it
15:03 elb0w everything else tries to download it
15:03 omega_ there is an addon for firefox
15:03 elb0w That wouldnt break JS on a website would it?
15:03 omega_ JSONView
15:03 elb0w if its making an ajax call to it
15:03 omega_ nope
15:03 elb0w ok then I dont care :P, usally do text/html
15:03 elb0w and print a json string on it
15:04 elb0w see the new firebox
15:04 elb0w I really like it
15:05 omega_ this gives you something like the XML view for JSON as well
15:05 omega_ instead of download
15:06 elb0w ok will check it out
15:06 elb0w ty
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15:18 sri yay, spreadshirts has also approved my vector images
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15:22 elb0w oh yeah mozilla has a dino already :x
15:23 sri they have godzilla
15:23 sri which is a t-rex on steroids
15:24 elb0w :o
15:24 sri perl hunts in packs
15:24 elb0w always can do a ninja if this doesnt take
15:24 elb0w i like it though, ill probably buy a shirt haha
15:24 elb0w maybe a hat
15:25 sri well, judging by t-shirt sales people like it :)
15:25 elb0w oh yeah?
15:25 purl totally!
15:25 elb0w how many sales
15:25 * sri hugs purl
15:25 * purl smiles
15:25 elb0w let me know when you put it on a u.s. store
15:26 sri 5 already
15:26 elb0w be cool if it picks up
15:26 elb0w maybe well get some new hipsters using perl
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16:05 crab wow, "perl hunts in packs"
16:05 crab that is a scary image
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16:05 elb0w as long as they all comment
16:06 elb0w its fine with me
16:06 * crab imagines meeting some CPAN modules in a dark alley
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16:07 Christian nice evening to you all :)
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16:13 sri hehe
16:14 sri and everybody gets the "Predator" t-shirt :)
16:23 dotan sri: What's this "just-so" story " After a careful review of Jurassic Park i've come to the conclusion that Perl has to be a Velociraptor, and that's what i'm basing the logo on!" ?
16:23 sri ?
16:24 dotan mdk used a velociraptor logo twice on his blog, mst gave a "state of the velociraptor" talk - the association of perl5 and the raptor didn't come from you, so why not give people credit? This is the Internet.
16:25 sri read the next sentence
16:25 sri and the disclaimer at the bottom
16:26 sri i'm not trying to steal an idea, it's just a made up story to sell the idea
16:28 dotan sri: wasn't there before I hit refresh. Like your code, I see one always needs to update before reacting ...
16:29 sri updated it as soon as i was made aware of how it could be misunderstood
16:29 sri my english skills are limited
16:33 chansen sri: no vector version?
16:33 sri not sure what to do about the font yet
16:33 sri it's commercial
16:38 chansen May I suggest that you use fewer teeth and sharper ones in the low res versions? Currently the looks like antialiased toothpicks IMO
16:39 sri the needle look is intended, but yes
16:41 crab they didn't have good anti-aliasing algorithms back in the time of the dinosaurs
16:45 chansen heh
16:46 sri i've actually changed the teeth a few times to make them viable for spreadshirts
16:47 sri bit afraid now to touch them ever again :D
16:48 sri it looked more like a stuffed animal with less teeth btw ;p
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17:45 * sri wonders why the week starts so slow
17:46 sri did the whole world watch the oscars or something?
17:47 chansen perhaps the world has abandon Mojo ;P
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18:02 sri zombie apocalypse seems more likely
18:04 chansen heh
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18:13 perlrocks Twitter: "http://www.pubbs.net/201102/javascript​/41682-qooxdoo-devel-new-tutorial-qoox​doo-rpc-with-perl-and-mojolicious.html qooxdoo-devel -  new" --bullpubbs http://twitter.com/bullpubb​s/status/42286333925933056
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18:53 elb0w So sessions are based on cookies?
18:53 elb0w if I wanted to create a temporary session I would generate something to $self->session(user => ?)?
18:53 elb0w Like a random md5 for the session?
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19:11 perlrocks Twitter: "Released MojoX::Run 0.15; improved async sub execution: http://bit.ly/eXJvc4 #mojolicious #perl" --gracnar http://twitter.com/gracnar​/status/42300785278726144
19:15 minimalist I'm also a little confused by the sessions. If someone can give a good example of creating and deleting a session, it would be fantastic. $self->session( user => { a => 1, b => 2 } ) did not send the cookie for me.
19:18 elb0w I didnt see to pass a hash as user?
19:20 minimalist well, you should be able to pass both a scalar and a hashref
19:22 minimalist elb0w, here is the deal:
19:23 minimalist in $self->startup you have to set your secret, i.e. $self->secret('My super complex password');
19:23 minimalist That's in your base class.
19:23 elb0w ok
19:24 minimalist Then from your controllers you can set and get sessions like this:
19:24 minimalist $self->session( user => 'elb0w' );
19:24 minimalist or
19:24 minimalist $self->session( user => \%user_info );
19:24 minimalist 4096 bytes is the limit
19:25 elb0w I guess im just blurry on the way sessions work
19:25 elb0w like purpose
19:25 minimalist to get the session, use: my $session = $self->session( 'user' );
19:25 elb0w It would have to be dynamic no?
19:26 minimalist what do you mean?
19:26 elb0w I thought, session would be unique and ID stored in the cookie. Then when you needed data you would do a $session reference and it would look at the cookie to pull the data
19:26 elb0w So everyone that visits the site can have unique data
19:26 minimalist ah, that's not the case here
19:26 elb0w and you could access the data inside controllers
19:26 minimalist all of your data goes in the cookie
19:26 elb0w ok
19:26 minimalist there is nothing on the server, if that's what you mean
19:27 elb0w So the maximum global data I could store would be 4096
19:27 elb0w per visitor
19:27 minimalist yes, but it should be enough for you to store a user id and then pull the rest of the information from your database.
19:27 elb0w Yes was thinking that
19:28 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Lite app run on Apache-CGI - scrawled in http://bit.ly/hENkIX Tatsumi" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnew​s/status/42305053742211072
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19:28 elb0w Ok, but I wanted to do this without logins
19:29 elb0w So I would need a unique id
19:29 elb0w to go into each cookie, and then reference the cookie for db lookup
19:30 minimalist use the client's IP address as a unique id then
19:30 elb0w yeah
19:31 elb0w ill probably make a hash with a secret word + their ip
19:31 elb0w to make it a little harder
19:31 minimalist you don't need to because the session is encrypted already
19:31 elb0w oh yeah, I read that earlier. Ok nice ty
19:35 elb0w actually that wouldnt work
19:36 elb0w if people are all coming from a company that has an internal network
19:36 elb0w the requests could all come from a single ip for multiple users
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19:38 toebu Using Mojolicious to provide JsonRPC service for qooxdoo javascript applications http://qooxdoo.org/contrib/project/rpcperl-mojo
19:42 elb0w Can you disable the encryption on the cookie?
19:47 elb0w Is session the only way to carry data in between Models->controllers?
19:47 elb0w other then the passed arguments
19:50 perlrocks Twitter: "The #perl 5 raptor t-shirts are now also available for americans, enjoy. :) http://t.co/IEWGrP8 #mojolicious" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/42310617180274689
19:51 elb0w lol like the buttons
19:52 sri they don't have mugs in the us, can you believe it? :O
19:53 elb0w boo
19:55 sri the huge selection of oversize shirts made me giggle a bit though
19:57 elb0w sri, is there a hash that will go globally through controllers?
19:57 elb0w So I can share values between them?
19:57 sri the stash
19:57 purl the stash is reachable in all, but only per one request
19:57 elb0w But does that just mean one route?
19:58 elb0w I want '/' -> main#index and then from there set some values and call con1#blah, con2#blah and use values set by main#index
19:58 elb0w would stash do that?
19:59 sri stash has request scope
20:01 elb0w so what do I gain with Session?
20:02 elb0w I want to get a facebook auth token ultimately
20:02 elb0w and be able to pass it around
20:02 elb0w that is why I am asking this
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20:09 minimalist elb0w, I don't see why you couldn't place the FB token in your session cookie.
20:11 elb0w yeah thats one part. But I am thinking what else will I want to store
20:11 elb0w Just trying to think ahead so I dont revisit same issue
20:11 minimalist are you using any kind of database?
20:11 elb0w Yeah, but then im going to hit the db everytime I hit a controller?
20:12 minimalist I ran a site that got over 3 mil unique hits per day and it had no probem with that. As long as you don't connect to the db at every request.
20:13 elb0w ok well then how do I pass the handle for the db around? lol
20:14 minimalist you have 2 options: 1) use database abstraction such as DBIx::Class; 2) use Apache::DBI. Both will cache your database handle and reuse it.
20:15 elb0w DBI->connect_cached?
20:15 minimalist that would do too
20:15 elb0w yeah, I sort of want to stay away from apache
20:16 elb0w I will explore DBIx
20:16 elb0w ty
20:16 minimalist I had this done in lighttpd with fastcgi. Worked well.
20:16 elb0w I wish I had been at my current employer when he designed this system
20:17 elb0w he is passing these values around
20:17 elb0w I will ask him how he does it
20:51 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih I really enjoy the secure by default HTML escaping in Mojolicious.  By the way, really nice web framework. #perl" --adulau http://twitter.com/adulau/status/42326102336733184
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21:06 perlrocks Twitter: "What can be worse than #Mojolicious marketing? #perl" --vtivti http://twitter.com/vtivti/status/42329695731200001
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21:56 perlrocks Twitter: "Viva la revolucion! #perl #mojolicious" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/42342428312735744
22:04 perlrocks Twitter: "What's revolutionary in #Mojolicious? Copy pasting? #perl" --vtivti http://twitter.com/vtivti/status/42344476966006784
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22:05 sri lol, someone seems butthurt
22:06 moritz sri: did you see http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/02/roc​k-paper-scissors-butterfly-velociraptor.html
22:06 sri lol!
22:20 chansen sri: congrats on publicasity =)
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22:23 chansen sri: with this publicity why don't you address some serious p5 flaws?
22:24 sri chansen: what do you suggest?
22:24 chansen sri: I don't dare so sugest ;P
22:25 chansen ok, why not utf8 model of p5?
22:26 sri not my area of expertise
22:30 chansen yeah, I know
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22:37 * mateu is unclear of chansen's point
22:38 chansen mateu: ask and your point will be clear?
22:38 mateu what were you trying to get at ^^ ?
22:41 chansen mateu: at what?
22:41 mateu that's the question isnt' it ;)
22:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: Lite Getting Started with http://slidesha.re/h0jj0g" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnew​s/status/42353871909171200
22:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Ah, #Dancer wars are over. #Mojolicious now has the ability to create its own trolls #perl" --burakgursoy http://twitter.com/burakgurs​oy/status/42353950254563328
22:45 chansen mateu: perhaps you should gain knowledge about above question before commenting it?
22:47 mateu chansen: I find it strange that you ask someone to address something that you state is not their expertise.  maybe it was a joke and I missed it.
22:50 chansen mateu: What didn't I state publicly?
22:51 chansen didn't I say "why not utf8 model of p5?"
23:03 chansen mateu: as i thought, stick to your pointless 0 benchmarks
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23:05 mateu whoa somebody is having a little temper tantrum
23:08 mateu chansen: my point was you asked sri to address flaws of  the utf8 model of perl5, then when says it's not his area of expertise you say "I know"
23:08 mateu chansen: so either you were joking or being an ass.
23:09 sri ok, stop it please
23:09 sri both
23:11 chansen mateu: WTF?, everybody I know on this network (irc.perl.*) knows that I won't make a ass of me at the expense of you
23:12 sri final warning
23:12 chansen to who?
23:12 purl to is Tonga Islands
23:12 sri both of you
23:12 chansen WTF?
23:12 sri being rude is not an option here
23:13 chansen Are you still on snake poison?
23:14 chansen was kicked by sri: bye
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23:45 tempire_ viciousness all around today.
23:46 tempire_ must be the raptor
23:46 * sri shoots the sheriff
23:46 sri you were needed like 10 minutes ago!
23:46 tempire_ I know!  I just saw it.  I was riding back into town after taking care of a corporate america plot.
23:48 tempire_ I wonder why vti is taking shots.
23:48 * tempire_ declares loves for vti regardless.
23:50 sri 3 letter nicks... who can tell...
23:50 tempire_ is now known as tmp
23:50 tmp !!
23:51 tmp is now known as tpr
23:51 * sri moves backwards...slowly
23:51 * sri falls into the alligator pit
23:51 * tpr spreads glitter on the pit, so sri can fly
23:51 mateu is now known as venereal_disease
23:51 tpr oh wait, that was heroine
23:51 tpr eh, same effect.
23:52 * sri vomits rainbows
23:53 venereal_disease Hey you guys mind if I join your channel?  </bad_humour>
23:53 venereal_disease is now known as mateu
23:54 sri "Fat Tony is a cancer on this fair city! He is the cancer and I am the… uh… what cures cancer?"

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