Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-03-04

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02:16 MisterHa1t sri: why would you want perlbrew on a cloud hosting platform?
02:16 MisterHa1t seeing as perl is always backwards compatible, having the latest stable version would work for everyone, and use extlib for non-core modules on their own
02:18 sri MisterHa1t: that's cool as long as you are not upgrading your cpan modules
02:19 sri and perl is not 100% backwards compatible
02:20 MisterHa1t oh? this is news to me
02:21 sri nothing can ever be 100% backwards compatible
02:21 sri unless development stops
02:21 sri people depend on unintended side effects and even bugs
02:22 MisterHa1t ah I see
02:22 MisterHa1t thanks for clarifying that, didnt occur to me at all
02:23 sri you'll also encounter modules clashing with each other, like Net::SSLeay and Crypt::SSLeay
02:24 sri perlbrew allows you to start with a fresh perl in those cases
02:25 sri without dropping the whole virtual machine
02:44 tempire wow, cpan-outdated is a great little tool
02:47 sri "cpan-outdated | xargs cpanm" is quite useful
02:49 sri MisterHa1t: oh, hosting providers also tend to be slow switching to new perl versions, perlbrew puts control in your hands
02:51 sri not to mention the system tools you might be interfering with
02:52 MisterHa1t makes sense
02:57 tempire I had no idea how old school my perlbrew install was before cpan-outdated.
02:58 * tempire now feels fresh and clean
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05:03 zenon I intend to make a web app probably with 5-6 external templates and some DB CRUD.  Would it be okay to use  Mojolicious::Lite?
05:07 mateu sure, why not.  If you outgrow then more files you go.
05:10 mateu Lite can gracefully handle a dozen or more routes with a DB CRUD role composed in.
05:10 mateu and CRUD only needs about 6 routes to get started so..
05:13 mateu tempire:    $_[0]->redirect_to($_[0]->req->env->{'marcus.obje​ct'}->start_party($_[0]->req->params->to_hash));
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05:21 GitHub172 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * c7c8a07 (1 files in 1 dirs): relicensed all artwork to CC-SA, so the whole distribution can be considered "open" again - http://bit.ly/gOtZyc
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05:22 sri jawnsy: should be possible for mojolicious to leave non-free in debian again
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06:18 MisterHa1t did debian seriously make a big deal about that?
06:18 MisterHa1t always amazes me how obstinate they are
06:27 zenon Thanks Mateu
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07:39 Christian good morning
07:39 purl For you maybe.
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08:31 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious ctrl + c of the many things I have to do is doing something Ru説 got an extra controller and views for each" (ja) --mattn_jp http://twitter.com/mattn_j​p/status/43589261643087872
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08:52 sri riak key filters are really damn sweet
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09:51 GitHub99 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * acb4e0a (2 files in 2 dirs): improved client exception handling a bit - http://bit.ly/gTgsPU
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10:39 sri interesting, http://www.wegeo.com was built entirely on riak, wonder how they handle geo queries
10:40 sri (or actually http://todotogether.com)
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12:21 Christian Is anyone currently on a translation from the english wiki into a german wiki?
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13:49 weestrom back at getting my rig fully functional
13:49 weestrom making epics perl debugger work on windows/cygwin
13:50 moritz is it epic? or epic fail?
13:51 weestrom i like it because of the other eclipse integrations that i use
13:51 weestrom plus syntax highliting is nice when you switch between four languages a day :)
13:52 weestrom c, m script, perl, and raw executable xml
13:55 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious #perl passion project day 2: dev environment installed, now to make the perl debug mode in #eclipse work on Win32/cygwin!" --ericrost http://twitter.com/ericros​t/status/43670989644632064
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16:00 Christian nive we to you all
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16:11 perlrocks Twitter: "Looks like my #mojolicious project is going to get into a shootout with some "built here" c# resources for data analytics. #bringiton" --ericrost http://twitter.com/ericros​t/status/43705043001679872
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16:15 crab hi.
16:30 perlrocks Twitter: "Nice to see some features of #mojolicious in the new release of #sinatra #payback :-)" --freekey http://twitter.com/freekey​/status/43709820808863744
16:36 marcus All render methods now take a `:layout_engine` option, allowing to use a   layout in a different template language. Even more useful than using this   directly (`erb :index, :layout_engine => :haml`) is setting this globally for   a template engine that otherwise does not support layouts, like Markdown or   Textile (`set :markdown, :layout_engine => :erb`). (Konstantin Haase)
16:36 marcus something more we could steal from sinatra?
16:36 marcus https://github.com/sinatra/​sinatra/blob/master/CHANGES lots of interesting stuff
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16:46 crab seems kinda pointless
16:47 marcus crab: what does?
16:47 crab "allowing to use a layout in a different template language"
16:47 crab maybe my imagination is just limited.
16:48 marcus might be :)
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16:48 * crab plods along
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16:54 marcus "I identify most strongly with the turtle: I patiently plod along till I reach my destination--and occasionally I stick out my neck."
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17:11 crab marcus: what are you quoting?
17:16 marcus crab: Paulette Pelta
17:16 marcus +n
17:16 marcus I used to have that quote on my old blog
17:16 * marcus has a turtle tattooed on his back
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17:37 sri marcus: which feature should we steal?
17:39 sri we already do the layout in another format thing
17:40 sri <%= layout 'foo', handler => 'tt' %>
17:40 sri umm
17:40 sri of course no %=
17:41 sri anyway, the key is to set it late, after the last include
17:47 marcus oh, I didnt know that. Useful!
17:47 marcus sri++ # clever bot
17:47 marcus wow, I seemed to piss of lots of americans with my tweet about the republicans
17:48 sri reminds me of that family guy episode wth rush limbaugh
17:53 crab marcus: what did you republicate?
17:55 crab ah, look, i found it.
17:55 crab but i gather i can't expect to see the comments of the pissed-off people.
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17:58 GitHub10 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a529497 (9 files in 6 dirs): removed experimental status from hypnotoad, tag helpers and more - http://bit.ly/eT8A5t
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18:00 perlrocks Twitter: "Hypnotoad and tag helpers in #mojolicious are now stable, enjoy. :) http://t.co/L6hlnEt #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/43732496243888128
18:00 marcus https://twitter.com/lucastiz​ma/status/43678109777666048
18:00 marcus https://twitter.com/heathbord​ers/status/43713432654065664
18:01 marcus also got some good answers tho - https://twitter.com/bmf/status/43658526702321664 :)
18:01 sri republicans would be illegal in germany i guess
18:02 moritz so would be the CSU :-)
18:02 crab sri: maintenance release! :-)
18:02 marcus they would be a fringe rightwing party here
18:02 marcus further right than any of our registered parties
18:02 sri moritz: CSU is closer to the democrats
18:02 sri we have nothing equivalent to the republicans
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18:11 weestrom @sri: trying to redeploy some old code on a new platform under win32/cygwin
18:12 weestrom getting a very odd exception from prev working small app: cant locate method new in my object thats base Mojolicious::Controller
18:13 weestrom just getting this dev box fully functional curious if you had any idea whats up?
18:13 weestrom seeing this on the localhost:3000 error page in browser
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19:17 * sri thinks about switching to riak from mongodb for his side project
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20:18 tempire shnikies.
20:18 tempire I just got my first RT bug report
20:18 tempire I have no idea what's going on in this interface.
20:40 sri i just ignore RT reports
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20:47 marcus sri: riak does seem like a more righteous choice.
20:49 sri it is clearly the smarter choice, but less mainstream compatible
20:49 sri maybe a good client could address that
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20:54 * mateu is happy with mongodb so far.
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21:04 sri it's ok on the surface, but the architecture underneath is horrible
21:15 sri they sacrifice a lot for performance
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21:43 japh_nf hi!
21:43 * sri waves
21:44 japh_nf I'm trying to write an application in Mojo::Lite, but I'm stuck in one part: how can I receive an uploaded file?
21:44 sri $self->req->upload($name)
21:45 japh_nf hm... I found this, but it didn't work... the returned object was undefined
21:45 sri then your upload is not working
21:46 sri are you using a multipart form?
21:46 japh_nf yes
21:46 sri then ->upload is the right way to receive it
21:47 sri something is just not right
21:47 japh_nf my form is <form method="POST" action="/upload" enctype="multipart/form-data">
21:47 japh_nf the input is <input type="file" name="image">
21:48 japh_nf I tried to get the image using my $image = $self->req->upload('image');
21:50 japh_nf oh
21:50 japh_nf now it worked... more or less
21:50 japh_nf at least I received a new error message
21:50 japh_nf Can't locate object method "move" via package "Mojo::Upload"
21:51 sri well, the whole thing is quite well tested, so it is liekly something on your end
21:51 japh_nf yup
21:51 japh_nf now I got the object
21:51 japh_nf now i need to s/move/move_to/
21:51 sri :)
21:53 japh_nf now I'm in the right track again... thans!
21:53 japh_nf thanks!
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22:19 sri hmm, i might even stop working on the pure perl mongodb client
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22:46 marcus :(
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23:09 sri marcus: feel free to motivate me again ;p
23:10 marcus sri: are you really going to invest this heavily in erlang?
23:10 marcus ;)
23:10 marcus guess I shuld try riak before I go hating.
23:10 marcus did you actually build an app on it?
23:11 sri haha
23:11 sri just small ones
23:11 * marcus runs brew install riak
23:12 sri mongodb pure perl client is totally doable, but annoying and not very future proof
23:13 sri i have bson, now i've been playing with the wire protocol... and it all seems way too fragile
23:13 marcus yeah
23:14 marcus feels like mongodb people are into premature optimization
23:14 sri actually, i have most of the hard parts written... i just really don't want to maintain it
23:14 marcus stuff it on your git account and send a ML post?
23:14 marcus maybe someone will take it over.
23:14 sri and ask me countless questions...naah
23:14 marcus :D
23:14 marcus nobody dares questioning you :p
23:15 sri \o/
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23:15 sri people dropping like flies, must be weekend!
23:15 marcus brew install riak sure took a long time
23:15 sri erlang takes time
23:16 sri don't forget riak-search
23:16 marcus my fans are spinning
23:16 marcus yeah, seems it's erlang that's taking time
23:16 * sri spins marcus
23:16 * marcus gets dizzy
23:21 * marcus puts on the colbert report
23:22 marcus sri: what do you stuff in your riak buckets? CHICKEN?
23:22 sri sure
23:22 sri EVERYTHING!
23:22 purl everything is "omg, it must take over the world"
23:22 sri ^
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23:31 sri it's kinda funny you talk about investing in erlang, when in fact it is a lot less work and reuses much more of mojolicious :D
23:33 sri Mojo::Client will sure get a lot of optimizations out of it too
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23:49 tempire riak++
23:50 tempire I have a tool to crud buckets/keys from the command line that you might find useful, marcus
23:50 tempire I wouldn't call it polished
23:50 tempire But I think it's pretty neat
23:51 tempire I'm really interested in riak enterprises' ability to do multi-site master-master replication
23:54 marcus still building frikking erlang
23:56 sri lol
23:57 sri maybe you should stop compiling stuff on your iphone
23:58 sri it's really annoying how you get results for "risk" when you google for "riak"

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