Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-03-05

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00:02 marcus sri: this in on my i7
00:02 marcus 2.66ghz dual core
00:02 sri no ssd?
00:02 marcus with ssd
00:02 sri :o
00:03 marcus ctrl-c'ed and retrying
00:03 marcus it can't take an hour to build erlang
00:03 sri it can get close i guess
00:04 marcus maybe it was almost done :)
00:04 sri erlang is really huge
00:04 sri prolly the slowest to compile in all of homebrew
02:07 crab aren't there binary packages?
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03:13 tempire marcus was the EPO overlord?
03:45 sri the almighty slacker!
03:45 sri he still owes us a few features
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05:38 perlrocks Twitter: "Japanese translation of documents Mojolicious - Github http://htn.to/NpARSx" (ja) --nabetama http://twitter.com/nabetam​a/status/43908149245259776
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06:02 tempire ^^ that's pretty derned awesome
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06:57 marcus I was just a epo board member
06:57 marcus since it was started
06:57 marcus not sure about overlord
06:58 marcus but yeah, I was a slacker
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10:55 su-bzero` Hey. How to set Content-Disposition header?
10:59 su-bzero` Got it. ;)
10:59 su-bzero` Thanks.
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12:47 weestrom had my 1st exposure to the new exception page in mojolicious yesterday. USEFUL AS ALL HELL @sri!
13:43 perlrocks Twitter: "For #fileuploader.js + #Mojolicious use $self->req->headers->leftovers for getting uploaded data." --su_bzero http://twitter.com/su_bzer​o/status/44030344084725761
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13:47 perlrocks Twitter: "#Mojolicious + #fileuploader.js also: $self->render({text => $json->encode({success => 'true'})}); It helps to be compatible with #IE6 also." --su_bzero http://twitter.com/su_bzer​o/status/44031211219333120
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15:19 su-bzero` sri: Are you here? Have a problem https://gist.github.com/856430
15:20 su-bzero` I think I do something wrong.
15:21 su-bzero` $self->req->upload is empty.
15:26 su-bzero` Ha-ha. I'm sooo stupid.
15:26 su-bzero` $self->req->body
15:26 purl well, $self->req->body is the raw body
15:28 perlrocks Twitter: "For #fileuploader.js + #Mojolicious use $self->req->body ;) for getting uploaded data. A bit stupid today..." --su_bzero http://twitter.com/su_bzer​o/status/44056599815389184
15:41 gabb anyone know a good JS library for charting/real-time graphs ?
15:42 gabb marcus: also I was asked by Sony to deliver this subpoena :>
16:16 crab su-bzero: is fileuploader.js == valums.com/ajax-upload? does it need anything special on the server?
16:17 crab su-bzero: if you got it working i'd be interested in seeing how
16:19 tempire gabb: google charts
16:19 purl somebody said google charts was http://code.google.com/apis/chart/  http://googlecharts.rubyforge.org/
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17:01 su-bzero` crab: No special. Just $self->render({text => $json->encode({success => 'true'})}); and $self->req->body for getting uploaded data.
17:02 su-bzero` crab: Of course $self->render({json => ... is suitable more, but IE6 (may be 7 or 8 too) doesn't understand application/ajax (it suggests to save it as file (:).
17:06 sri gabb: or raphael.js for something lower level
17:22 gabb cheers sri and tempire
17:24 gabb thou seems like google charts doesn't incorporate an update function
17:25 marcus moo
17:26 marcus gabb: fuck sony
17:26 gabb :P
17:27 gabb lol'd at the guy who made the fictional Sony PR guy post the key in a retweet
17:28 marcus yeah. that was #winning
17:29 gabb #tigerblood? :P
17:39 marcus def.
18:25 marcus sri: talked to one of the guys at our coworking today. He's been doing a lot of erlang development
18:26 marcus he just switched from riak to mongodb because riak is so horribly slow
18:26 marcus he said it's useful for pure key/value stores, but not much else
18:26 marcus but also that it scales very beautyfully :)
18:26 sri did he use riak-search?
18:27 marcus I dunno
18:27 marcus didn't ask
18:27 sri you should
18:27 sri riak only has an index on the key
18:27 sri so map/reduce is slow by design
18:28 marcus mm
18:28 sri he might refer to that
18:28 marcus riak-search is basically a lucene index on top of riak?
18:28 sri it is
18:28 sri scalable lucene index
18:29 sri it's what makes riak more than just a key/value store :)
18:31 sri lucene index and solr http api
18:33 sri i doubt it gets slower with size, considering collecta is building a real time blog/twitter search engine with it
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19:35 stephan48 is there already a initscript or watchdog/monitor and restart script for mojo?
19:36 sri i've seen people exchange those, dunno if it's on the wiki yet
19:39 stephan48 ok
19:44 gabb I can't believe I just now stumbled across processing.org
19:55 sri http://processingjs.org # looks neat
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19:59 gabb ye, the js library is awesome, but processing.org really goes the extra mile
19:59 gabb this blew my mind: http://blog.blprnt.com/blog/blprnt/just-land​ed-processing-twitter-metacarta-hidden-data
20:00 gabb check the vimeo link
20:01 sri wow
20:03 gabb I see the you caught the graphics/visualization bug as well sri compared to 4-5 years ago :P
20:03 sri ?
20:04 gabb you seem to have developed a liking/interest in this stuff and digital art etc
20:04 gabb judging from the logo creating on kraih
20:04 gabb can't remember seeing such do such stuff back then - you know, in "the good ol' days"
20:05 gabb hmm .. now I am hellbent on creating such visualizations too
20:05 sri hah
20:05 * gabb prepares himself for epic fail
20:05 sri yea, i'm still learning
20:06 sri but it's a good balance to programming
20:06 gabb yea, keep me personally sane :P
20:06 gabb *keeps
20:07 sri you make more typos than 5 years ago ;p
20:07 gabb haha yes, but its not my fault :/
20:07 gabb my thinkpad is dying - or rather my keyboard is not as good as it used to be
20:08 gabb some keys do not respond to well, esp S and A
20:08 gabb *too
20:08 sri when i had a thinkpad they were still made by ibm :o
20:08 gabb O obviously too xD
20:08 gabb heh, ye - well, had 2 ibm thinkpads, 2 lenovo ones by now - I must say they didn't do a horrible job, but you can still notice that its not an IBM
20:09 sri the service in germany seems to be still top notch
20:10 sri but i'm sold on apple now
20:10 gabb next laptop will be new MacBook Pro or the new ThinkPad T420s
20:11 sri you should consider a macbook air too
20:12 * sri will never ever get something without SSD again
20:13 gabb ye, whatever my next laptop will be - it will have a SSD
20:13 gabb ever since I got SSD in my devbox I swear by it
20:17 sri sooooo glad i didn't update twitter on my iphone yet
20:17 sri looks like yesterday was a really good day for iphone twitter client manufacturers
20:18 sri they really took a perfectly fine app and made it unbearable
20:25 gabb heh, no way to downgrade?
20:27 sri only if you have a copy backed up
20:32 gabb lol @ http://quietube.com/v.php/http://ww​w.youtube.com/watch?v=roVgJxMiCPY&a​mp;feature=player_embedded#at=114
20:37 sri lol
20:37 marcus awesome
20:38 marcus sri: it pretty much sucks that I *paid* for tweetie, and now they've made it free and completely fucked it up.
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20:40 gabb and another video I absolutely must share: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Kt35jsoVQ
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20:52 GitHub109 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * fe50801 (1 files in 1 dirs): removed experimental status from a few more attributes - http://bit.ly/gY6SQi
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21:02 weestrom @sri: whaddya think of driving routes configs from some simple xml containing dictionary entries of rule->helper to be auto read at startup and updated dynamically?
21:03 sri hell no :)
21:03 weestrom or keep them in a back end clms?
21:03 weestrom cms*
21:03 weestrom just code em?
21:04 sri well, they are flexible enough for all solutions
21:04 sri you're working on a cms?
21:04 weestrom i know and im driving from a backend that is dynamic
21:04 weestrom and not in my design control
21:04 sri i would always go with a perl solution if i can
21:04 weestrom pulling from 6 different broken cms's to a local cache mysql
21:05 weestrom and then doing data analytics on a diverse set of population data
21:05 weestrom and presenting using some dynamically generated .jpgs/tifs from other perl libs
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21:06 weestrom so a purpose built cms to fix a bunch of broken shit at a fortube 500
21:06 weestrom s/fortube/fortune
21:06 sri sounds like there is no clean solution anyway
21:06 weestrom yep
21:06 sri just go with what you know best
21:06 weestrom xml::simple
21:06 purl XML::Simple isn't, XML::Smart is evil.
21:06 weestrom lol
21:07 weestrom ive already implemented auto config pages from xml::simple
21:07 weestrom wanted to use mojos dom parser (and still may)
21:07 weestrom but didnt have time to learn it during prototyping
21:08 weestrom move move move :)
21:08 weestrom but today i build a 4 TB media server and plan my first refactor
21:08 weestrom and watch lost boys on netflix instant
21:09 weestrom wanted to say thx for knowing what ur doing @sri, love your code!
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21:09 sri thanks, and good plan
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21:09 weestrom as does our most senior perl dev @ my shop
21:10 * sri wants to finally watch inside job
21:11 * weestrom will probably get pinged out here when i close my android, so seeyaz
21:11 sri yay for smartphones with irc
21:11 sri you should get a bouncer like znc though
21:12 * sri waves
21:19 weestrom znc?
21:19 purl znc is an IRC bouncer or http://en.znc.in
21:20 weestrom i will hafta make an android perl stack a priority to find!
21:20 weestrom just switched to OSX86
21:20 weestrom bought retail
21:21 weestrom iboot is a wondrous thing
21:22 sri last i heard perl on android was horrible
21:22 weestrom kk
21:22 weestrom its pretty out here in the snow on my front porch
21:22 sri they removed core modules like Encode
21:22 weestrom ouch
21:23 sri yea, who need unicode anyway?
21:23 weestrom im teaching my electrician brother how to hack perl and get an associates in ee for an entry level qa gig
21:23 weestrom he needs like 2 classes
21:24 weestrom but i do 3 platform development for a living
21:24 weestrom dissimilar dual core embedded processors
21:25 weestrom really enjoying having wifi/smartphone
21:32 stephan48 how is the status of Mojo on windows? usable? i plan to write a sort of process manager in mojo..
21:32 marcus stephan48: it's usable.
21:32 stephan48 cool
21:36 sri http://www.cpantesters.org/distro​/M/Mojolicious.html#Mojolicious-1.11 # if in doubt, cpantesters
21:38 sri we are supergreen again atm
21:39 sri first red one seems fixed on github and second is just the test box running out of file descriptors or so
21:39 sri or the other way around
21:39 purl the other way around is not better
21:40 * sri hugs purl
21:40 * purl smiles
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22:18 alnewkirk-away firefox 4 beta looks awesome
22:18 * alnewkirk-away is watching http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojol​icious/Guides/Cookbook#DEPLOYMENT
22:21 marcus alnewkirk-away: you're not really away, are you..
22:22 * sri pushes alnewkirk-away into the alligator pit
22:22 sri now he is!
22:22 alnewkirk-away :)
22:22 sri wait, where is yko again?
22:22 alnewkirk-away sri, i want a mojo badge I can put on my site
22:22 sri we need more alligators!
22:22 alnewkirk-away ana proudly supports the mojolicious project ... or some such @#$%^
22:23 sri alnewkirk-away: how about the little badge i put on all mojolicious sites at the bottom?
22:25 alnewkirk-away yup, that'll do nicely, thanx
22:25 sri all core artwork is now CC-SA
22:26 alnewkirk-away nice, great
22:26 alnewkirk-away man-hug
22:27 alnewkirk-away am i being dense or is mojo not generating /css/prettify-mojo.css, etc anymore?
22:27 sri those are built in, not geenrated
22:28 alnewkirk-away ah, wonder why they dont resolve ... checking awnstudio.com
22:28 sri http://mojolicio.us/css/prettify-mojo.css
22:30 alnewkirk-away sri, ah i see, i dont think i should be using this ... DocumentRoot "/foo/far/public/"
22:31 sri <%= stylesheet '/css/prettify-mojo.css' %>
22:31 sri will fix the path if the app is configured right
22:32 alnewkirk-away was the significance of the stylesheet keyword, vs uri_for
22:32 alnewkirk-away i've been away for awhile
22:33 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojoli​cious/Plugin/TagHelpers#stylesheet
22:34 alnewkirk-away oh, very nice
22:34 alnewkirk-away shit, i wanna be apart of the dev team now :\
22:36 moritz a part or apart? :-)
22:37 alnewkirk-away a part :)
22:37 alnewkirk-away missing trailing slash in apache conf (thanx error.log)
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22:50 sri damn, inside job is good
22:50 alnewkirk-away yup
22:51 * marcus is watching morning glory
22:51 alnewkirk-away anybody build any serious webapps with mojo lately?
22:51 marcus it's not bad for a drama/comedy
22:51 sri people build apps all the time, just keep watching the channel :)
22:51 marcus alnewkirk-away: I'm building the next generation of startsiden.no/tvguide in mojolicious
22:52 * sri might actually continue with the pure perl mongodb client
22:52 sri while i love riak i just don't see it become popular
22:53 marcus sri: good, I still haven't been able to build erlang
22:53 sri lol
22:53 alnewkirk-away let me know if either of you need some free help
22:55 perlrocks Twitter: "Japanese translation of the #mojolicious documentation looks really great! http://t.co/Ri8ZImJ #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/44169145960501248
23:10 alnewkirk-away marcus, looks great mate
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