Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-03-09

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00:02 im-ana hiya
00:09 im-ana what package is include() in?
00:14 minimalist im-ana, Mojo::DefaultHelpers
00:15 minimalist Mojolicious::Plugin::DefaultHelpers
00:16 im-ana minimalist: checking it out
00:16 im-ana http://pastie.org/1649504 - shared stash issue
00:17 im-ana 'eg' is being set for all following 'included' templates
00:18 im-ana i have to 'eg', '' nullify it in order to avoid the issue
00:20 minimalist have you tried the same with the Mojo template .html.ep ?
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00:21 im-ana minimalist: ... i think so, i switched to TT because I hated having to declare optional params
00:22 im-ana although in retrospec, that would solve the problem i think
00:22 minimalist im-ana, the same include in .ep would look like this:
00:22 minimalist <%= include 'elements/input', a => 1, b => 2, eg => 3 %>
00:23 minimalist in your input.html.ep you could have
00:23 minimalist oops
00:24 minimalist <%= include 'elements/input', args => {a => 1, b => 2, eg => 3} %>
00:24 im-ana minimalist: right, but that doesn't change the fact the since the params are stored in the stash before being passed to the template, ... making the persistent
00:26 minimalist im-ana, if you pass all arguments in one hashref you won't have that problem
00:27 minimalist also, I've noticed that include does not behave the way one would assime by intuition. You'll end up creating a bunch of helpers and that will solve your issues.
00:28 minimalist http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/Mojoli​cious-1.11/lib/Mojolicious.pm#helper
00:30 im-ana minimalist: i dont follow, passing all params make it cumbersome, i want params to be optional
00:31 im-ana also, i dont make to create a bunch of helpers, that would not be optimal either
00:31 minimalist im-ana, helpers are your friends if you want optional params
00:32 im-ana basically i want to render a template (inline) without storing the passed-in params in the stash
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00:32 minimalist If you come from HTML::Mason like me you'll be a but confused in the beginning but once you have your helpers everything will be fine
00:32 minimalist s/but/bit/
00:34 im-ana are you saying there is no way to do this without customizing Mojo?
00:34 im-ana sri ^^ ?
00:38 minimalist im-ana, $self->helper( 'widget' => sub { shift->render_partial( @_ ) } );
00:39 minimalist then in your template: <%= widget 'input', a => 1, b => 2 %>
00:40 im-ana minimalist: your code is exactly what include does ... :\
00:40 im-ana what gives? lol
00:41 minimalist I don't think include runs the params through the stash ... but I'm new here so I may be wrong.
00:41 im-ana i believe that what shift->render_partial does? which is what include uses
00:44 minimalist render should not modify the stash ... at least not to my experience.
00:45 minimalist From the POD: All values passed to the render call are only temporarily assigned to the stash and get reset again once rendering is finished.
00:46 perlrocks Twitter: "@obfuscurity it's a stopgap until your #Mojolicious ticketing is ready for testing." --AFreshOne http://twitter.com/AFreshOn​e/status/45284406419652608
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04:15 GitHub154 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * d54b8a4 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed documentation bug - http://bit.ly/eXpmxn
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04:15 sri minimalist: that was a documentation bug
04:16 sri im-ana: the behavior is intended
04:16 minimalist sri, so render permanently changes the stash?
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04:16 sri yes
04:20 sri the topic is much more complicated than it might seem
04:21 sri if you really really want include with localized stash values you'll have to build your own helper
04:21 minimalist sri, off-topic, do you ever sleep?
04:22 sri i just woke up ;)
04:22 minimalist 5:20am?
04:22 sri yea
04:24 sri at some point we did have localized stash values in render, like 1 1/2 years ago
04:24 sri it was a horrible hack with many bad side effects
04:25 im-ana sri, im doing so now actually, trying to find where render_partial() is so I follow along
04:25 minimalist I'm still unclear at to how is it any of render's job to tamper with the stash, but oh well.
04:26 sri it's just for convenience
04:26 im-ana sri: years ago i thought TT was shitty for not having a shared-stash by default .... until i ran into the problem I'm having now :)
04:27 sri i hate the stash, but there is no better alternative
04:28 sri well, you could also just localize the value in your template
04:29 im-ana i just realized that I'd have to re-write sub render { ... } more or less .... wtf
04:29 sri no you do not
04:29 im-ana sri: is this truely the best way for me to render with localized stash?
04:29 im-ana oh good
04:29 im-ana please explain as its not obvious to me
04:30 sri just write a wrapper around include that localizes additional arguments
04:30 sri but you're now going to hit the problems that made me remove localized stash vars :)
04:32 im-ana sri ... $app->helper(include => sub { shift->render_partial(@_) });
04:32 sri ?
04:33 im-ana i dont see how wrapping include prevents args being passed to render which adds them to the stash
04:33 sri umm
04:34 sri $app->helper(my_include => sub {my $c = shift; my $template = shift;...localize args...$c->include($template)});
04:34 sri *you* manage the stash
04:35 im-ana wow, ... that sucks
04:35 im-ana lol
04:35 sri propose a better solution
04:36 im-ana fark, so can i get a heads up on the issues i might face with the stash?
04:37 sri too many
04:37 im-ana besides the obvious nullify a stash value accidentally
04:37 sri at that layer side effects should be manageable
04:37 sri in render it is much much worse
04:39 sri and no, i don't think it sucks
04:39 sri it just doesn't work the way you expected
04:43 im-ana neccessary evil i suppose
04:44 sri actually i wouldn't even be opposed to making the core include localize arguments
04:45 sri there seem to be very little side effects
04:47 im-ana i'll add it
04:50 sri hmm, nesting bugs, those will be a problem
04:51 minimalist im-ana, just out of curiosity, why are you moving your app from dancer to mojo?
04:55 im-ana minimalist: what do you mean?
04:55 minimalist oh, I though I saw you contributing dancer plugins, so I thought you were involved there.
04:57 im-ana minimalist: I am
04:58 im-ana I am also the author of SweetPea, I very cool (albeit forgotten) framework based on CGI.pm
04:59 im-ana I bounced around alot trying to find a web framework that fits my mindset (scary :))
04:59 minimalist same here
04:59 im-ana im thinking about writting an article "complete wireframe in a week"
04:59 im-ana follow at http://billshappen.com
05:00 minimalist cool, dude. looks good.
05:01 im-ana thanx
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05:11 perlrocks Twitter: "Tsukkomi was tasteless. Then a guy Mojolicious" (ja) --laiso http://twitter.com/laiso/status/45350969696989184
05:18 sri you might have to dig into the renderer btw. some of the nested layout tests are really harsh
05:18 sri layouted include in layouted include
05:19 sri that's where localizing can go wrong
05:19 purl sri is channeling thoth!
05:19 * sri hugs purl
05:19 * purl nibbles sri's elbow
05:21 sri there are also two ways include may be called, with even and odd number of arguments
05:21 sri include 'foo', bar => 'baz' and include template => 'foo', bar => 'baz'
05:25 sri maybe a localized include plugin would be a good idea first
05:34 im-ana or even include 'foo', ':stash' => 1
05:34 im-ana eww, but ahh
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06:01 sri im-ana: that would look horrible
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07:09 marcus yo
07:09 sri yo yo yo
07:09 * purl walks the dog
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07:16 GitHub145 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * f67ab90 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed typo - http://bit.ly/gKdgYg
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07:25 marcus sri: http://pastebin.com/dnnm85hJ - line numbers in json errors
07:27 sri marcus: doesn't work, just send a pull request
07:30 marcus sri: I was 5 commits behind, this one is against trunk - http://pastebin.com/kuN2HVnB
07:30 marcus I don't have a sane fork atm
07:31 marcus it always seems to get borked by my commits :/
07:31 marcus guess I could delete it and remake it
07:32 marcus hardcore forking action1!!1!
07:37 marcus u can haz pull request
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07:51 sri marcus:  "Expected array or object at line 0, offset 0."?
07:52 marcus sri: yeah, there's no valid string?
07:52 sri ah
07:52 sri makes sense i guess
07:53 sri marcus++
07:54 marcus ^-^
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07:55 perlrocks Twitter: "@AllAboutRace Hahaaa! Thank you! You rock too! We b smitten! U'd best be our wife! We NEED women like you! #mojolicious! #HOLLA! & MWAH!" --abandofwives http://twitter.com/abandofwi​ves/status/45392130033717248
07:55 sri argh
07:55 sri get out of my twitter stream!
07:55 marcus damn hippies
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07:59 GitHub170 mojo: master Marcus Ramberg * 74f5890 (2 files in 2 dirs): Add line numbers to exceptions
07:59 GitHub170 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * b8d30bb (3 files in 3 dirs): cleanup
07:59 GitHub170 mojo: master commits f67ab90...b8d30bb - http://bit.ly/fsMN4k
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08:06 perlrocks Twitter: "Error messages of the #mojolicious json parser look really good now. :) http://t.co/nzSAcwv #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/45395105263263744
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08:07 sri sneaky marcus
08:07 sri but you forgot to tag the tweet!
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08:08 marcus =)
08:12 perlrocks Twitter: "# Mojolicious "Mojolicious:: Lite supports a single file mode simplified through." Phrase, as if the Lite Or is the correct usage to write a single script. Japanese translation of documents Mojolicious http://p.tl/tamN" (ja) --clicktx http://twitter.com/clicktx​/status/45396456563159040
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08:19 GitHub149 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 518ab0d (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed changes - http://bit.ly/eFp9fj
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08:23 sri alnewkirk-away: when you think about the possible side effects and inconsistencies in the api... <%= include 'foo', bar => undef %> is not that bad after all
08:24 sri at least you always know stuff goes to the stash
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08:25 sri btw. bson is not that bad, just the amount of types doing pretty much the same with different names is annoying
08:27 sri surely not the worst binary protocol i've worked with yet
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09:34 sri http://mongohq.com is really great for testing
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10:09 sri https://github.com/SFEley/candy # "Mongo like candy!"
10:11 crab hi
10:11 purl what's up, crab.
10:12 * sri waves
10:39 Hammit I am both happy and sad at the same time...
10:40 Hammit my first cpan module is a mojo one, and tomorrow i have no job to go to
10:40 Hammit hehe
10:40 Hammit apparently i wasn't cut out for Ruby on Rails ;)
10:41 moritz Hammit: my congratulations and condolences
10:41 Hammit hehehe thank you
10:41 Hammit will i turn happy again and find some perl stuff to do here?
10:41 sri good time though to look for a perl job
10:41 Hammit oh?
10:41 sri everybody is recruiting
10:41 moritz Hammit: where do you live?
10:42 Hammit that's the bummer...perth western australia
10:42 moritz willing to move to Europe? :-)
10:42 sri wait... there's more than poisonous insects in australia?
10:42 Hammit no such thing as telecommute?
10:43 Hammit hehehe
10:43 Hammit yeah, harsh weather here too
10:43 Hammit :p
10:43 moritz https://booking-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings​/index.cfm?fuseaction=app.welcome&amp;category_​id=2726&amp;company_id=1006&amp;version=1&amp;s​tartflag=1&amp;parent=IT%20&amp;levelid1=2726 # I don't they offer telecommute, but they are hiring a whole lot of Perl developers
10:44 Hammit thank you moritz :)
10:44 perlrocks Twitter: "Plans for a #mojolicious specific orm are getting closer, next few weeks should be very interesting. :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/45434730446995456
10:45 moritz http://jobs.perl.org/country/Australia # only one jub currently in Sydney
10:45 Hammit I'm applying for it now, just answered the silly questionaire to ward off the newbs
10:46 Hammit i've been burnt by jobs.perl.org before though
10:46 moritz what went wrong?
10:46 Hammit apply for jobs that are rubbish, or where you get treated like rubbish
10:46 Hammit maybe i was unlucky
10:46 moritz I guess a non-profit job board can't filter out that sort of crap
10:47 Hammit hehehe. yeah. true. i like the site, just not some of the jobs i've applied for on there
10:47 Hammit nvm. onward and upward :) hehe
10:47 crab sri: maybe hammit is a poisonous insect
10:47 crab don't be so species-ist
10:48 Hammit which one tho...?
10:48 Hammit daddy long legs?
10:48 purl daddy long legs is worse than a black widow
10:48 sri please not a spider :o
10:48 crab actually, i didn't know australia had many poisonous *insects*. i thought they were mostly spiders and snakes.
10:48 crab or maybe i just don't remember any.
10:48 moritz Hammit: you could also talk to the folks from http://perltraining.com.au/ -- I dont' think they hire, but they could know lots of companies that use Perl
10:49 moritz and pjf has been very approachable so far
10:49 Hammit great idea!
10:49 sri good idea indeed
10:49 Hammit i was looking there just last night
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11:47 bc5042 i wrote My::Static which derives from Mojolicious::Static, but i have problem with root attribute, which is undef, how Mojolicious::Static have it set?
11:48 sri Mojolicious does that during startup
11:48 bc5042 so what should i do to have it too?
11:48 sri you need to set it yourself
11:49 bc5042 by $static->root('value')?
11:49 * sri nods
11:58 bc5042 and the value will be $app->home-to_string, and i need set it explicitly, ok thx for advice ;)
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12:23 omega why does 'mojo help generate' and 'mojo generate help' return different things?
12:24 sri because that's how it works
12:24 purl because that's how it works is pretty much the answer.. :) I also tend to trip up by expecting it to be the schema sometimes
12:24 sri it's simply structured like that
12:25 omega but the structure doesn't apply to the next level?
12:25 sri first help is root level, second generator level
12:26 sri "mojo help" would be equal to "mojo generate help"
12:26 sri generate is a sub command system
12:26 omega but mojo generate help app vs mojo generate app help
12:27 sri ?
12:27 omega well, if the structure is putting help later gives more verbose help
12:27 sri that's not how it works
12:28 omega the reason for me asking, is that mojo generate help is counter-intuitive to me
12:28 omega and I don't see it mentioned anywhere in mojo help or mojo help generate
12:28 sri well, feel free to improve it
12:28 sri the structure makes sense when you understand it though
12:29 omega from a code perspective, or from a user perspective?
12:29 sri "mojo generate" mentions it i'm sure
12:29 omega mojo generate is the same as mojo generate help
12:29 sri what is your point?
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12:39 omega my point is, that from a user perspective, I don't see why mojo help generate doesn't return the stuff that mojo generate and mojo generate help does
12:39 marcus mojo HALP
12:40 sri i'm not interested in problems, just solutions! :)
12:40 marcus imo, mojo help generate should *either* return the overview or the same thing as mojo generate help
12:41 sri sure, if it's an improvement
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12:49 perlrocks Twitter: "Wrong? ? I wonder what about. . Mojolicious:: Lite perl CGI and only run the upload Len Sabah. http://t.co/3OVgc5v # mojolicious" (ja) --clicktx http://twitter.com/clicktx​/status/45466168881979392
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13:01 marcus sri: it would be an improvement
13:01 sri then go ahead
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13:17 sri how come when you tell people they can change something they are suddenly not interested in a feature anymore? -.-
13:18 moritz ever heard of that "laziness" thing?
13:18 stephan48 ye its a common bug
13:18 sri is that some fancy new internet thing? :o
13:19 sri well, i just finished the bson implementation, don't expect many mojo patches from me atm ;p
13:19 stephan48 na existed before
13:19 moritz blame the haskell folks
13:20 stephan48 blame php!
13:20 sri damn, 800 lines of code for bson :S
13:22 marcus oi
13:22 marcus sri: is it done now?
13:22 sri bson yes, wire protocol still in progress
13:22 sri but i have the whole bson spec covered
13:23 sri wire protocol reuses bson primitives though, so i have all the low level bits already
13:23 sri i can run commands already
13:24 sri the async bits are a bit tricky
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13:26 sri wire protocol is actually trivial now, connection management is hard
13:26 sri need a pooling strategy
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13:31 jfuller I'm porting cgiapp to mojolicious as my first foray. And, I'm wondering where I can find a list of "what" I can access from within templates, I see some functions work, but I am having trouble figuring out how to get the base url
13:33 sri $self is a controller instance
13:34 sri you can reach everything from it if in doubt
13:36 jfuller sri: That makes life significantly easier. Is that documented somewhere, if so I think that's the doc I need to read
13:36 sri rendering guide most likely
13:37 sri lite tutorial maybe
13:37 jfuller Well then, I need to skim more carefully ;-)
13:39 crab hmm. i didn't know about M::Message::body_params
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13:45 * crab replaces all of his "«y $x; if ($self->req->method eq "POST"){$x = $self->param('x')}»code with my $x = $self->req->body_params->{x}
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13:52 sri think i've found a bug in the bson implementation used by mongodb :S
13:53 marcus ohoh
13:53 sri don't think many people write custom ones
13:54 sri there is garbage in some serialized documents
13:54 sri like a nameless binary element in a supposed to be empty document
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13:57 sri "120000000b726567657800612a6200690000" can you spot the bug?
13:58 sri that's what i'm debugging atm :D
13:58 stephan48 the a62 is malformed?
13:59 marcus it's the 'g'
13:59 marcus ;)
13:59 stephan48 g?
13:59 purl g is a gonzo!
13:59 marcus stephan48: joking :)
13:59 sri the classic hex joke
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14:12 sri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=​28khv-BydeY&amp;feature=related
14:12 sri <3 mongodb
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14:15 crab i hate it when i make a change that should work perfectly and seems obvious and simple, but it breaks everything
14:17 marcus need moar unit tests?
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14:19 * sri just wrote 240 lines of bson unit tests
14:20 sri best test suite out of all implementations by far
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15:04 cosmincx Hello, given: <%= select_field year => [ 2010..DateTime->now->year ] %>, how do I set 2011 as selected value? I tried: , value => 2011
15:10 sri <% param year => '2011' unless param 'year'; %>
15:11 sri or you use a much more complicated structure as shown in the documentation
15:12 crab the documentation does not in fact mention selected at all
15:13 sri that part is common sense
15:14 sri if you don't know your html you should not even think about using the tag helpers
15:15 sri i use the class attribute pretty consistently
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15:18 sri i really hope people don't get the impression that tag helpers are meant to allow them to skip learning html :o
15:19 cosmincx sri: It's not that I don't know html, it's not straightforward from the documentation
15:19 crab class attribute?
15:19 purl it has been said that class attribute is introspectable or another name for global variables or has default, lazy, type constraint, delegation, etc
15:19 sri yes, the html class attribute
15:20 cosmincx so I'm just trying to understand how do I set an option as selected
15:20 sri class and id are the perfect example because they apply for all elements
15:21 crab cosmincx: [String => 'val', selected => 'selected']
15:22 cosmincx crab: thanks
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15:27 GitHub64 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a326c71 (1 files in 1 dirs): added small recipe - http://bit.ly/hlirHO
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15:36 Christian cu all
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15:41 GitHub89 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 3829072 (1 files in 1 dirs): improved recipe - http://bit.ly/hPWMK9
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15:43 perlrocks Twitter: "wow, #mojolicious just made life much simpler for me in a very small amount of code." --schelcj http://twitter.com/schelcj​/status/45510110579138560
15:51 su-bzero_ param is helper?
15:52 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojoli​cious/Plugin/DefaultHelpers#param
15:53 * su-bzero_ has removed param from own helpers...
15:56 elb0w How does that twitter bot work?
15:56 elb0w it just catches anything with #mojolicious?
15:56 sri it's on github, see for yourself :)
15:57 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojoli​cio.us/blob/master/perlrocks.pl
15:57 stephan48 under your account=
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15:57 elb0w cool
16:10 sri http://www.phenona.com # don't forget to sign up for the beta
16:10 sri we need a strong mojolicious presence there ;)
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16:26 * mateu signs up for beta testing even though he has adequate alternate means.
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16:35 stephan48 sri: will the beta cost something?
16:43 mateu i can't imagine it would
16:43 mateu let me pay you to be your guinea pig..  not.
16:49 sri unlikely
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17:11 sri "18:10 Debolaz touches Mojolicious in bad places."
17:11 * sri is shocked
17:12 Debolaz :)
17:12 Debolaz I'll have your daughter home by midnight.
17:13 * sri cleans the shotgun
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18:28 sri marcus: what happened to your article btw?
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19:03 marcus sri: I wrote what you saw, then never finished it.
19:04 marcus will try to pick it up again this weekend, since I'll be home alone with $daughter, and unable to go partying or anything :)
19:04 sri marcus: good!
19:05 sri (the second part)
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19:11 * tempire wonders what is stored in the $daughter variable
19:12 sri candy?
19:12 purl candy is probably the question.  yes is the answer. or not a trap
19:14 sri damn... new ios means new xcode download :S
19:19 jegade hi sri, could you leak some details for the planned mojolicious orm?
19:19 sri it will be for mongodb
19:19 sri and pure perl without dependencies
19:20 jegade great
19:20 jegade thats what i need
19:22 sri some things are still to be decided, like if it will use classes or a dsl to describe documents and constraints
19:23 jegade how long will it take to get a first working/experimental version?
19:23 sri i'm targeting april
19:24 sri can't rush a good design
19:24 jegade sure
19:26 jegade i need to begin the work on the app now and need the first working at the first week in april (mojolicious, mongodb)
19:26 jegade then i must try the orm for the next app :)
19:27 sri yea, that's way too early :)
19:27 sri still hacking on the mongodb wire protocol atm
19:27 jegade yes, i know ;)
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19:51 tempire How do I turn off static file serving?
19:52 tempire Or interrupt it?
20:01 sri rm -rf public?
20:01 tempire lulz
20:01 tempire I want to only serve static files over ssl
20:02 tempire oh, nevermind.
20:02 tempire doh.
20:02 sri oh, xcode 4 released
20:02 tempire BOUT FREAKING TIME.
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20:07 sri oh, it costs 3.99 euro on the app store
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