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sri |
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u there |
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Twitter: "DOM perl-sizzle like and want to choose, I wrote Riedel's. "Mojo:: Client tried to use the" http://t.co/6kHQBIY" (ja) --purasiibo http://twitter.com/purasiibo/s[…]58695644201750530 |
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Twitter: "Mojolicious Perl framework document only in English and Japanese. How Japan's mania for Perl to know how many w" (ja) --brain_apple http://twitter.com/brain_apple[…]58701827264364544 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "[Mojolicious] Mojolicious:: Renderer was useful. Use it. http://t.co/Y1GpphL" (ja) --purasiibo http://twitter.com/purasiibo/s[…]58717274672078848 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "I tried adding # mojolicious correct translation. / Mojolicious - GitHub http://htn.to/ij1ova" (ja) --kits_ http://twitter.com/kits_/status/58724080274255872 |
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* tempire |
jumps |
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* tempire |
kris krosses |
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* tempire |
jumps again |
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* tempire |
simmers unicorn meat in a pan |
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* tempire |
distributes it to the channel members |
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* tempire |
sprinkles mojolicious on it |
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tempire |
DELICIOUS |
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purl |
it has been said that DELICIOUS is social bookmarks; most popular -> http://del.icio.us/popular/ or crazy or holy crap fmh is a (rich) nutcase or candy. candy is delicious |
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tempire |
omg |
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tempire |
sri: curl -Is slashdot.org | egrep '^X-(F|B)' | cut -d \- -f 2 |
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Christian |
morning |
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waves |
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hi ppl |
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crab |
i have a /foos/:foo_id bridge and some routes under it, like /delete and /show |
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crab |
can i also somehow create a route for /foos/:foo_id.pdf under the same bridge? |
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crab |
rather than having to do, e.g. /foos/:foo_id/:foo_id.pdf or similar? |
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stephanj |
crab: i would say yes |
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yko |
crab: $r->bridge('/foos')->to('auth')->route('/:foo_id', foo_id => qr/\.pdf^/)->to(...); |
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yko |
$r->bridge('/foos')->to('auth')->route('/:foo_id)->to(...); |
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stephanj |
by not prepending the route definition by / i would assume |
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yko |
hmm. damn, you don't need to define bridge twice there |
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yko |
you should try both versions and say us which one works! |
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yko |
or find your one that works and tell us :) |
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yko |
i would say something like that https://gist.github.com/1175626eac15c7165e31 |
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crab |
stephanj: your assumption would be wrong. |
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stephanj |
k |
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crab |
i tried that, but it didn't work. |
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crab |
yko: the problem is that my bridge needs the id |
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yko |
than you realy need to define bridge twice |
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yko |
i'm not sure if it would works, but you should try |
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crab |
ok. |
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yko |
similar cunstruction, but bridge should eat whole path and route sould be ampty i think |
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yko |
*empty |
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yko |
and you may need to use wildkard placeholders for bridge to catch exactly id |
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yko |
something like /foos/(*foo_id).pdf maybe and then make foo_id strict with regexp |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "It is possible to read any file on your system when you use #mojolicious server :( https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/114 #perl" --vtivti http://twitter.com/vtivti/stat[…]58798533746245632 |
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su-bzero_ |
epic |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Please @kraih RT: @vtivti: It is possible to read any file on your system when you use #mojolicious server :( http://bit.ly/dOst9k #perl" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/sharifulin/[…]58799489791692800 |
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Twitter: "#mojolicious Issue 114 fixed in my fork on github, pull request sent." --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninja/s[…]58807587755405312 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@vti thats a feature for easier data sharing #mojolicious" --und3f http://twitter.com/und3f/status/58807787601403904 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@vtivti also, next time, try some responsible disclosure. #mojolicious" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninja/s[…]58807962596155392 |
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GitHub121 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * b098549 (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed critical security issue that can expose files on your system and prepared emergency release |
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GitHub121 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * e74de48 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed typo |
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GitHub121 |
mojo: master commits 769b502...e74de48 - http://bit.ly/eCqMIK |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.16 by KRAIH - http://frepan.org/~kraih/Mojolicious-1.16/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]58818852137607169 |
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sri |
making blog post, explaining vtis irresponsibility |
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PerlNinja |
I already ripped him a new one in DM on Twitter too ... |
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memowe |
sri: CPAN =~ s/1\.16/1.17/ |
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sri |
memowe: ? |
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memowe |
Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.16 by KRAIH |
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sri |
? |
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memowe |
Shouldn't it be release 1.17? |
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sri |
get to the point, i really don't have time to waste right now |
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sri |
no |
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memowe |
Oh, OK. |
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memowe |
Never mind. |
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sri |
just the bugfix, nothing else |
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memowe |
good luck. |
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purl |
You'll need it. |
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crab |
wait, cpan allows you to re-release the same version now? |
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sri |
doubt that |
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purl |
doubt that is, like, going to happen |
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crab |
oh, then i must have misunderstood. i thought memowe was saying 1.16 was already released. but i follow git, so i never realise what the version number is. |
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sri |
http://blog.kraih.com/mojolici[…]lease-please-upgr |
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sri |
hmm, twitter outage :S |
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PerlNinja |
again? :( |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "New blog post, #mojolicious 1.16 emergency release, please upgrade! http://t.co/fxyUw2E #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/58827625266819072 |
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sri |
ok, posted to blog, twitter and mailing list |
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sri |
not much more we can do i guess |
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ok since everything's back to normal, a question! :D ... if you send hypnotoad a USR2 signal for a hot deployment, does it actually sit around reloading classes, or does it start up fresh processes? |
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sri |
PerlNinja: fresh processes |
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sri |
it's fork+exec+fd inheritance |
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sri |
that's why you can upgrade even Perl and system libraries at runtime |
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sri |
also the reason it is unix only |
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PerlNinja |
that's what i needed to know :) ok cool |
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sri |
<3 unix |
| 10:05 |
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PerlNinja |
indeed |
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PerlNinja |
deploying app servers and keeping them updated now got easier since they can pretty much restart themselves if they pull in an update from the update server |
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PerlNinja |
<3++ |
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sri |
that's exactly what hypnotoad was made for :) |
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sri |
effortless zero downtime upgrades |
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sri |
yay, finally breakfast |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "koorchik's Perl blog: Mojolicious 1.16: Emergency release, all updated! http://ff.im/BcaDX" (ru) --planetperlru http://twitter.com/planetperlr[…]58837505239289856 |
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sri: breakfast? i'm about to go for dinner :P |
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stephanj |
i need to have a wrapper around a process which sends tons of STDIN/STDOUT stuff, and providing a api for restarting it(secured by https client certs), could i abuse mojolicious for it?(providing me a api to open sockets and so on) |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel (sri): Mojolicious 1.16: Emergency Release, Please Upgrade! http://bit.ly/dGvuss" --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironman[…]58844743135801344 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Meh... http://blog.kraih.com/mojolici[…]lease-please-upgr #perl #mojolicious" --bacek http://twitter.com/bacek/status/58846592417009664 |
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sri |
stephanj: theoretically yes, documentation for complicated use cases like that is slim though |
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sri |
\o |
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o/ |
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sri |
\o/ |
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attaches lead weights to sri's arms |
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sri |
o |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "у кого на mojolicious production? https: / / github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/114" (fil) --bappoy http://twitter.com/bappoy/stat[…]58859549171531777 |
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PerlNinja |
sri: that's more like amputation... |
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crab |
armputation? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Security vulnerabilities happen, what's important is how you deal with them. #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/58861102146129920 |
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moritz |
sri++ # so true |
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sri |
may i have my arms back? |
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crab |
heh |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious: Emergency release, please upgrade! http://t.co/eAmhepN" --ranguard http://twitter.com/ranguard/st[…]58871381181472769 |
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Ranguard |
http://perlnews.org/2011/04/mo[…]e-please-upgrade/ <- fyi |
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sri |
Ranguard++ |
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* Ranguard |
waves |
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crab |
btw, sri, (a) thanks for the cookie+hook change, (b) do you have any suggestions about my /:blah_id.pdf route question? |
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crab |
(which is: can i have a bridge on /:blah_id and write routes under it for both /3.pdf and /3/foo, or do i need separate bridges?) |
| 13:10 |
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PerlNinja |
one route and one bridge? |
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PerlNinja |
looks similar to something i did ... cant remember how i fied that up |
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sri |
crab: why not just two routes? |
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sri |
you can theoretically solve just about everything with a complicated regex, but if two routes are easier to read i'd go with it |
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moritz |
.oO( and if regexes won't do, you can embed code into the regex ) |
| 13:19 |
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moritz |
now I'm just being evil |
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sri |
the good kind of evil |
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elb0w |
wat? emergency update? |
| 13:24 |
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moritz |
security fix |
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* tempire |
whips out his sherrif hat |
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tempire |
The big one. |
| 13:24 |
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purl |
Bigger than yours, tempire |
| 13:32 |
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sri |
"We’re just a couple of regular guys, walking down the street, with a small cowboy." |
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sri |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1092026/ # really funny |
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crab |
sri: good enough for me |
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elb0w |
/usr/bin/make install -- FAIL |
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elb0w |
wtf? |
| 13:38 |
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elb0w |
I have old mojo |
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elb0w |
why would it do that |
| 13:38 |
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elb0w |
ah nvm |
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elb0w |
lmao |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Bug in mojolicious. Extra upgrade. It's a shame." (ru) --s0151 http://twitter.com/s0151/status/58889696104816640 |
| 13:55 |
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crab |
yeah, a bug in software, what a shock. |
| 14:00 |
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PerlNinja |
The nerve... how dare there be a bug in software! |
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koban` |
it's a bad translate - better translate is 'what's a pity' |
| 14:01 |
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crab |
oh, fair enough then. |
| 14:02 |
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crab |
i'm annoyed with myself for not catching that bug |
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sri |
russian translations somehow always sound more harsh than they actually are |
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sri |
or meant to be actually |
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sri |
i bet russian is a good language for swearing too :) |
| 14:21 |
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moritz |
it is :-) |
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sri |
hard to beat german though |
| 14:22 |
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moritz |
bacek on #parrot always says that english is only his 4th language: russian, rude russian, very rude russian and then english :-) |
| 14:22 |
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sri |
lol |
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PerlNinja |
wait, there is a difference between russian and very rude russian? |
| 14:24 |
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PerlNinja |
russian swearing > dutch swearing > german swearing ... also... dutch has much more tasty variety in ways to tell people to please die in a fire |
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sri |
that sounds convenient |
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PerlNinja |
what, the fire part or the tasty variety? |
| 14:34 |
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sri |
those are not the same? |
| 14:35 |
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PerlNinja |
well, one does lead to the other ... bbq in general is nice :D |
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Christian |
nice weekend toi you all |
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elb0w |
lol |
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elb0w |
Nice comments in Mojo::ByteStream |
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sri |
they are even kinda on topic :) |
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elb0w |
yes the old people extraction |
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sri |
xD |
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PerlNinja |
old people extraction =/= bbq :P |
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PerlNinja |
unless that's what you do after you extract... |
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elb0w |
what is SUPER::new ? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Or critical updates. And this then. "@ Kraih: New blog post, # mojolicious 1.16 emergency release, please upgrade! Http://t.co/GW0vGgL # perl"" (ja) --purasiibo http://twitter.com/purasiibo/s[…]58905778391752704 |
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elb0w |
sri why do I use ByteStream instead of util? |
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elb0w |
is it just a wrapper? |
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elb0w |
I could do Mojo::Util::url_unescape $string no? |
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sri |
bytestream predates util |
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elb0w |
oh so its for legacy? |
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sri |
most people prefer the bytestream api for high level stuff |
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elb0w |
yeah |
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elb0w |
Reading through mojo source |
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elb0w |
its very clean |
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sri |
we added util for better performance on ht elower levels |
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sri |
*the |
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elb0w |
trying to teach myself about using objects in perl |
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elb0w |
creating* |
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sri |
SUPER is the next base class btw |
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elb0w |
hmm |
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elb0w |
lesson is never try |
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elb0w |
haha |
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sri |
i was about to suggest reading Mojo::Base to understand perl oo, but i suppose the optimizations make it not such a good example |
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elb0w |
yeah im reading that now |
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elb0w |
Its good, I like saying wtf |
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elb0w |
makes me read deeper :P |
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sri |
it's basically all about sub new |
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sri |
and bless |
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elb0w |
yeah I feel if I get those down ill have a better grasp of writing perl modules |
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elb0w |
Right now I just export methods |
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sri |
big step forward then |
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sri |
the fact that there are like a gazillion ways to do higher level perl oo can be a bit confusing though |
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elb0w |
Yeah, thats perls claim to fame though right? 50 ways to do 1 thing |
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sri |
i think the most important parts you need to learn are bless and @ISA |
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elb0w |
yeah was reading this http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/[…]prog3/ch12_05.htm |
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elb0w |
had some mentions |
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sri |
once you grok @ISA SUPER will make sense too |
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elb0w |
my $ws = ' '; :o |
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elb0w |
gonna put a funny message there |
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sri |
try MOJO_BASE_DEBUG=1 |
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sri |
$ws is there to make it readable |
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PerlNinja |
I still don't understand why people push Moose so hard. These days if you admit to doing perl OO the "oldschool" way you get laughed at |
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sri |
"MOJO_BASE_DEBUG=1 mojo get http://mojolicio.us" |
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sri |
PerlNinja: i've not seen that yet |
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* PerlNinja |
has gotten in a habit of using Mojo::Base outside mojolicious projects too ... it works... |
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PerlNinja |
I've seen it a few times so far, I kind of like the idea behind Moose but it's a slow slow piggy |
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sri |
two years ago it was a bit like that, but even the moose hardliners became moderates by now |
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PerlNinja |
meh, I see people advocate Moose and use all the wrong reasons to do it, mostly "oh it cuts down on boilerplate code and you get this funky type validation too!" - from a language point of view it's nice, practically what i care about is something that works, can be maintained, and doesn't require 2342 dependencies to be installed ... aaanyway.. I stop ranting now :D |
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mateu |
PerlNinja: try Moo :) |
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sri |
well, i think people should at least learn moose, to be able to make a decision for themselves |
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PerlNinja |
well yeah |
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GitHub173 |
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PerlNinja |
not saying avoid it, just that if someone has made the decision not to use it, that shouldn't be a hot topic or something |
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mateu |
imho, one should at least have a good reason to not use it. |
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sri |
you should know the rules before you're allowed to break them :) |
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PerlNinja |
mateu: my reasons are: it's slow during app start, requires too many dependencies, and sometimes gets in the way of what i want to do |
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mateu |
PerlNinja: thus my Moo recommendation. |
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PerlNinja |
the latter part probably being more an indication that i tend to write things that are best left unwritten :) |
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mateu |
yeah i'm wondering what you mean by "gets in the way" |
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PerlNinja |
well |
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PerlNinja |
hypothetical situation (*cough*): I need dynamic accessors. I either solve it with autoload, but since that's considered a no-no when you're Moosing... now tell me how that's done with Moose :) |
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PerlNinja |
s/accessors/attributes/ |
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mateu |
I'm not a Moose expert, just a user, but I'm pretty sure there's a way without autoload. |
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sri |
oh noes... a new minor xcode update with a 4.5gb download :S |
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mateu |
ouch |
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PerlNinja |
i hate xcode |
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sri |
btw. has anyone seen a good example for moose role usage yet? |
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PerlNinja |
mateu: well, that's what I've been trying to find out for a *long* time, I'm still looking |
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PerlNinja |
sri: not really, I still don't see the point of a role when you can use inheritance to more or less get the same effect |
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mateu |
PerlNinja: have you asked on #moose? |
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PerlNinja |
mateu: a long time ago, which is when i got jumped on by a few characters in there for my non-Moose-believing |
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mateu |
PerlNinja: did they stone you? :) |
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PerlNinja |
almost :P |
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sri |
roles are really cool in theory, but i've not seen them used well in practice yet |
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sri |
architecture astronauts :) |
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PerlNinja |
the only use case I could see with a role |
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mateu |
I find roles useful for composing in DB connection |
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PerlNinja |
is to have pluggable extensions on an existing module |
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PerlNinja |
mixing in bits and pieces and such but thinking about a use case i've got no idea, the only software i'd see it used is a forum .. and you can't do that in the first place because most frameworks don't allow easy restarting or reloading .. mojolicious being the exception :D |
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mateu |
I also found a nice fit for roles in Algorithm::Simplex where I created a solve role that works on three different models. |
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TheCritic |
http://pastebin.com/SQW30r7A failure to install MojoX::Session from CPAN |
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TheCritic |
advice? |
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purl |
TheCritic: Use `unqualified' people or http://p-cos.blogspot.com/2007[…]in-of-advice.html |
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crab |
don't use MojoX::Session |
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TheCritic |
recommendation for sessions in mojo? |
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PerlNinja |
crab: what's wrong wth MojoX::Session? :P |
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sri |
is it maintained again? |
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crab |
TheCritic: http://toroid.org/ams/etc/mojo[…]s-session-cookies |
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crab |
PerlNinja: it fails to install from CPAN |
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sri |
crab++ |
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PerlNinja |
okay besides that |
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purl |
besides that is a really good CD |
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PerlNinja |
mojolicious built-in sessions are browser-bound, not user bound |
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crab |
what does that mean? |
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purl |
That boy needs therapy. |
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* sri |
strangles purl |
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PerlNinja |
crab: it means that if you log in, and i keep your session data in mojolicious sessions, if you then go and use another computer with another browser, you log in again, then the data from your first session isn't available |
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PerlNinja |
they're two totally different session stores, given that the data is stored in a cookie - cookies don't transport well between browsers :) |
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sri |
that's really not what sessions are meant for |
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crab |
you shouldn't be doing that |
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PerlNinja |
sri, okay, so what is meant to do things like this? |
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crab |
if you want to store state, do it on the server and identify it using the cookie. don't store gobs of data in the cookie. |
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sri |
PerlNinja: a model |
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PerlNinja |
yeeees.... |
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PerlNinja |
and that's what MojoX::Session does, crab |
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sri |
you are abusing sessions |
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TheCritic |
well, thats what it would do if it installed |
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PerlNinja |
no, because I use MojoX::Session |
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sri |
using it instead of a database |
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sri |
sessions should be used for state keeping, that's all |
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TheCritic |
state, street 1, street 1, zip, all that :) |
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sri |
or better, short term state keeping |
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sri |
as in temporary |
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crab |
istr vti saying once that mojox::sessions was written before the built-in sessions, and it wasn't very useful any more |
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sri |
TheCritic: that sounds more like a user profile that belongs in a database |
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TheCritic |
no, it sounds like my very bad sense of humor... I'll save it for my wife :) |
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crab |
save it in a cookie |
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TheCritic |
I was playing on the 2 different uses of the word "state" |
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* sri |
scratches head |
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TheCritic |
exactly, sorry |
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sri |
argh |
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sri |
back on topic, imo there is only one good reason to store session data server side |
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sri |
and that would be a security constraint |
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sri |
if the server side needs to be able to reliably delete sessions |
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sri |
if that constraint does not apply for your use case the built in sessions should be perfectly fine |
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sri |
and even in that one case you can get away with a token stored in the model layer and a cookie session |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "koorchik's Perl blog | | Pearl Blog - Mojolicious 1.16: Emergency release, all updated! http://goo.gl/fb/aFJ5R" (ru) --geekspot_ru http://twitter.com/geekspot_ru[…]58930105782767616 |
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elb0w |
Since you guys are on sessions atm. Am I doing this right in this system im building. I am validating a user when they login against the database. If its valid I create a generated session id + maping to that user in the db and store the session id in the cookie as well. Then anypage the user goes to I check his cookie session id against the db id and fetch whatver data I need if its valid |
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elb0w |
Is that logic correct? |
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sri |
why do you generate your own session id? |
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elb0w |
this isnt mojo |
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sri |
oh |
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elb0w |
its some crappy php project I have to do for a client |
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elb0w |
I just havent done this manually and figure you guys are the ones to ask |
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elb0w |
yarg |
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stephanj |
sri: but still with client side sessions, you could store a id in it and then just mark it as invalid if you dont like that session anymore |
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stephanj |
ah overade you already named that option |
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sri |
:) |
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stephanj |
overread* |
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stephanj |
does mojo provide a way to use sockets? or is IO::Socket still best way? |
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sri |
there's an event loop built in |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/IOLoop # this is what daemon and useragent use |
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stephanj |
cool :) |
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stephanj |
can it use client side ssl certs? |
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stephanj |
yap |
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stephanj |
absolutely cool |
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sri |
stephanj: here are some useragent tests with certificates https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]/user_agent_tls.t |
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sri |
maybe that helps a bit |
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sri |
actually scratch that |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]mojo/ioloop_tls.t |
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sri |
those tests might be pretty much exactly what you want |
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sri |
tempire did a good job there |
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stephanj |
tempire++ # nice thanks :) |
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stephanj |
i plan to use the Mojo::IOLoop in a little tool which should monitor and manage a process |
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stephanj |
to make it possible for my client to connect to it and start/stop it f.e. or send something to STDIN |
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PerlNinja |
gah, long live my dsl provider |
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rindolf |
Hi all. |
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* sri |
waves |
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yegor |
Is it possible to prevent loading of some default plugins like tag_helper and ep(l?) renderers? |
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sri |
nope |
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sri |
they are considered built ins |
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rindolf |
It may be disappointing, but I've given up on converting http://homepage-test.shlomifis[…]ns-what-you-think to Mojolicious::Lite . Instead, I converted it to use CGI::Minimal instead of CGI.pm. I've still done the Insurgent Software web app in M::L. |
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sri |
they are plugins because they seemed like good examples |
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PerlNinja |
rindolf, why give up on converting, because of.... what? :P |
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sri |
he started with a cgiapp app |
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sri |
and wants to keep query param based dispatching |
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sri |
converting won't be much fun |
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rindolf |
sri: it wasn't CGI::Application - it was plain CGI.pm. |
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sri |
just as awful :) |
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sri |
seriously, the best way to learn mojolicious is by starting fresh, trying to port conventions from other frameworks will only result in tears |
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elb0w |
couldnt you do show/? |
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rindolf |
elb0w: I'd rather not. |
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rindolf |
elb0w: it will mess with my hyperlinks. |
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elb0w |
ah |
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PerlNinja |
rewrite rules are awesomesauce... |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Hilarious, @chromatic_x just mocked me for reinventing a wheel that i originally invented (6 years ago for #catalyst). :) #perl #mojolicious" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/58979665620107264 |
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elb0w |
thats a lot of work |
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elb0w |
for everything |
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elb0w |
id start fresh |
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elb0w |
I love my mojo server it just feels clean |
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PerlNinja |
so would i, but i bet you can catch all your old hyperlinks with a single rewriterule |
| 19:48 |
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PerlNinja |
fortunes/show.cgi?id=foo -> fortunes/show/foo |
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PerlNinja |
ta-dah |
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sri |
or even a mojolicious internal hook to make it portable |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: but I'm also linking to "./shlomif.html#foo" |
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PerlNinja |
ah, yeah, see now i remember... chromatic was the one that jumpd on my case for saying i thought moose was cool but i'd stick to my own ways of doing perl OO |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: which would break if I use "/show.cgi/foo" |
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PerlNinja |
rindolf: yeah, but what does that html file do |
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PerlNinja |
if you just have a link anchor in there then that solves the problem anyways since you get the content out of the cgi anyway |
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PerlNinja |
and if you're using the hash to do some ajax requests |
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PerlNinja |
problem still solved :) |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: http://www.shlomifish.org/humo[…]unes/shlomif.html - it contains a long list of all the fortunes. |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: with their texts and is part of the flow. |
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PerlNinja |
yes... and that file is generated how? |
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rindolf |
It's like a UNIX (1) fortune file - only as spiffy XHTML. |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: from shlomif.xml using an XSLT stylesheet. |
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PerlNinja |
okay so how is that file generated |
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rindolf |
Well, I wrap it in some Website Meta Language glue. |
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rindolf |
http://www.shlomifish.org/humo[…]tunes/shlomif.xml - from this. |
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PerlNinja |
okay and the xml file is generated? |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: the XML file is maintained by hand. |
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PerlNinja |
so.. umm |
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sri |
Oo |
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PerlNinja |
you can still link to shlomif.html#foo |
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rindolf |
I later parse the XHTML files and populate an SQLite database. |
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PerlNinja |
i don't see the problem with the links you know |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: yes, but if I have a / after the "show" or "show.cgi" script it will make it complicated. |
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PerlNinja |
since the xslt apparently takes the id from fortune id="foo" and just tacks it on the end of your show.cgi url |
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PerlNinja |
and i don't see what makes it complicated to have a / in there ... |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: right. |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: well, I prefer to keep it in the same directory so I can do <a href="shlomif.html#foo"> |
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rindolf |
Or also do some ../../ links to the other sections in my homepage. |
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rindolf |
It really is a simple script. |
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PerlNinja |
relative links are bad mmkay :P |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: they are? Why? |
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yegor |
imho these three plugins (tag_helper, ep, epl ) are related only to template rendering - so if i choose another way to do template stuff (Template::Semantic in my case) then they just consume memory and pollute namespace |
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sri |
yegor: very little |
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purl |
i heard very little was in git for DBIC at the mo |
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PerlNinja |
pain to relocate things - one way or the other it is but links starting with ../ are usually nasty |
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sri |
especially with copy on write in serious deployment environments |
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PerlNinja |
yegor: memory consumption is what, 1kb at most? couple kb at most? such a waste :D |
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PerlNinja |
is today "let's bash Mojolicious" day or something/ |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Hey Mojo, the early nineties called. They want their path traversal vuln back. https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/114 #perl" --dozykraut http://twitter.com/dozykraut/s[…]58981845899018240 |
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sri |
lol |
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PerlNinja |
heh |
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sri |
PerlNinja: you must be on to something there |
| 19:56 |
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PerlNinja |
the 90's keep calling a lot of people about path vulnerabilities |
| 19:56 |
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PerlNinja |
it's the single most reocurring vulnerability that keeps getting me paid outrageous consulting fees |
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sri |
but in the end people will remember that we had a serious issue fixed in an hour after report |
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sri |
so it's all good |
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PerlNinja |
oh it's all good, I just don't have patience for people who blabber about things they know jack all about just so they can be seen being all internet-tough |
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PerlNinja |
rindolf, anyway, i was thinking a bit ... why maintain an xml file by hand, generate an html file from it, and then parse that to populate an sqlite database? why not maintain the database, dump the xml, xslt and that html file, and let mojolicious generate the shlomif.html page and the view tsuff |
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PerlNinja |
stuff* |
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PerlNinja |
i mean, the way you're doing it now is like, bizarro world |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: well, most of my site is static HTML. |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: I generate it offline from templates. |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: but I preferred to create a single server-side script for displaying an individual fortune cookie. |
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yegor |
sri: ok |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: there's also Fiction-Text -> Fiction-XML -> DocBook 5/XML -> XHTML |
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PerlNinja |
yeah okay but then if you're generating things offline anyway |
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PerlNinja |
why not build the full structure for fortunes anyway |
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PerlNinja |
you dont need a cgi script to display a fortune if you already have that content, so why not generate a static file for it |
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PerlNinja |
i mean, nothing wrong with generating static html but either generate it all static, or run it all dynamic - mixing and matching tends to lead to headaches in the future |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: hmmm.... |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: well, I didn't want to have over a thousand individual files. |
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rindolf |
PerlNinja: and more as I add more fortunes. |
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PerlNinja |
so why generate static then :) |
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PerlNinja |
you're either generating static files for performance reasons |
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PerlNinja |
or ... well.. if there's no performance reasons, might as well ditch the static generating and go dynamic with some clever caching |
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PerlNinja |
anyays |
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PerlNinja |
anyways too... |
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PerlNinja |
see i'm getting all agitated, and i forget to tag shit on twitter |
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PerlNinja |
fweep |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "hey @dozykraut, the 90's keep calling about path vulnerabilities to a lot of people, who take way longer to fix it than #mojolicious did." --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninja/s[…]58985404967288833 |
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is feeling a bit combative |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "On a discussion about #mojo #perl about my #unix #fortune cookies script - http://bit.ly/ekCBD8 . It's not easily mojoliciousable." --shlomif http://twitter.com/shlomif/sta[…]58986318667067392 |
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rindolf |
perlrocks++ |
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PerlNinja |
it does yes :D |
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PerlNinja |
today is a good day, i finally got around to telling someone on twitter to shut their piehole ... *checks another item off his bigassed todo list of life* |
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elb0w |
weird im getting error Mojo::UserAgent:661 [15309]: IO::Socket::SSL 1.37 required for TLS support. |
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elb0w |
but I just did a cpan and installed it |
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elb0w |
and I have 1.39 |
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elb0w |
why would I get this issue? |
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elb0w |
sri, any idea? |
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elb0w |
could be an apache worker didnt get it, just restarted it lets see if that was it |
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sri |
must be @INC |
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sri |
btw. use "mojo version" |
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PerlNinja |
Anyone see something weird about a cat that eats fish food? |
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jamesw |
cutting out the middle man? |
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PerlNinja |
I guess, cat just wandered in here and managed to open up a bag of fish food we keep for the fish in the pond in the back yard... read the ingredients of the fish food: shrimp meal, fish meal ... |
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PerlNinja |
fucking fish man... cannibals, every last one of them |
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sri |
PerlNinja: could be a bug |
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purl |
No, it's a feature. |
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sri |
oh... fishfood is fish |
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PerlNinja |
I'm getting a soylent green vibe |
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sri |
totally |
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PerlNinja |
my cat... might be a pod-cat |
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PerlNinja |
o_O |
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sri |
X_x |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "kraih / mojo: Mojolicious: Perl Duct Tape For The HTML5 Web! http://bit.ly/eOnN5j #all #github" --githubtrends http://twitter.com/githubtrend[…]59001755056349184 |
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sri |
oh neat |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "#mojolicious is a trending repo on #github now! :) http://t.co/YjZq0GR #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/59002454938890240 |
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GitHub183 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 25dc5d8 (1 files in 1 dirs): updated credits - http://bit.ly/hORor9 |
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sri |
PerlNinja: sorry, forgot to give you credit for the first half of the fix |
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PerlNinja |
oh, no prob |
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PerlNinja |
I don't care about credits :D just figured better to get a fix out there that fixes the example case so at least there's some breathing room to get a proper fix going |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Sharks in the water... http://post.ly/1u3u0 #mojolicious #perl" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninja/s[…]59010454495825920 |
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sri |
PerlNinja++ |
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PerlNinja |
eh, just my opinion... i tend to get a bit vicious when it''s 5am and i haven't slept yet |
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sri |
now chromatic is just trolling :) |
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sri |
nn |
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sri |
Zzz |
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dku |
PerlNinja++ # good post |
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PerlNinja |
thx |
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PerlNinja |
before i sleep, i'm going to feed chromatic... |
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dku |
yeah, he be trollin |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Feeding the troll http://post.ly/1u4ji #chromatic_x #mojolicious #perl" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninja/s[…]59028021952253952 |
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PerlNinja |
yeah unfortunately he's trolling a bit out of his depth |
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dku |
i think you meant @chromatic_x, not #chromatic_x? ;) |
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dku |
definitely losing some respect for him right now; i really like his blog and the book, but his response is just wrong |
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PerlNinja |
dku: no, just wanted to tag it like that - i might have more to bitch about him :P |
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PerlNinja |
well, he's pretty smart about what he writes about |
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PerlNinja |
it's just that he's one of those people that thinks only about architecture and not about real world deployments |
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PerlNinja |
or real world circumstances for that matter |
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PerlNinja |
like the chroot comment - his MovableType install sure as shootin' isn't in a chroot jail, because putting it there will break it in seriously hideous fashion, so.. myeah |
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jamesw |
i have MT in a chroot |
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mateu |
hmm, I can proxy to an app in nginx at location / but when I try location /something/ it finds the app but no routes. |
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PerlNinja |
jamesw: lot of work huh? :) |
