Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-04-18

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01:17 marcus Hmpf. Reading vtis blog just makes me upset. I should unsubscribe.
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01:54 marcus http://blog.rebeccamurphey.com/modern-javascript those that do not know history are doomed to repeat it?
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06:18 crab hi marcus
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07:13 perlrocks Twitter: "# YAPP # 3: Interview with Anatoly Sharifulin http://goo.gl/fb/dkMnp # perl # dancer # catalyst # mojolicious # nodejs" (ru) --allframeworks http://twitter.com/allframewo​rks/status/59877086810226689
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07:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Хабрахабр: Метки / perl: Perl / Mojolicious v1.12 http://ff.im/BoL5n" --planetperlru http://twitter.com/planetper​lru/status/59884425600696320
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07:44 perlrocks Twitter: "Perl / Mojolicious v1.12: I've found that the release of the wonderful pearl framework Mojolicious Habré was ... http://bit.ly/i6xAEV" (ru) --habranews http://twitter.com/habranew​s/status/59884870419234816
07:44 perlrocks Twitter: "ITNews Habra (Rus) - Perl / Mojolicious http://dlvr.it/NrwNf v1.12" (ca) --Cu570d14n http://twitter.com/Cu570d14​n/status/59884881181818880
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07:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Perl / Mojolicious v1.12 http://bit.ly/i6xAEV" --habralenta http://twitter.com/habralen​ta/status/59888350085136384
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08:16 perlrocks Twitter: "Perl / Mojolicious v1.12: I've found that the release of the wonderful pearl framework Mojolicious Habré was ... http://bit.ly/hiKrn4" (ru) --holyslon_news http://twitter.com/holyslon_n​ews/status/59893101816324096
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09:30 * sri yawns
09:30 sri marcus: i'm not sure why vti is so angry, i even tried to talk things over with him
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09:47 moritz has he written more blog posts, giving advice to framework authors? :-)
10:01 sri yea, he should give advice on how to report a security issue instead -.-
10:03 * sri is melting
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10:52 crab what are you reading where vti is angry?
10:53 sri everything he did recently
10:53 crab ah.
10:54 sri his reasoning for posing the vulnerability on twitter was that he doesn't want to talk to me
10:54 sri *+t
10:54 crab ...
10:55 sri oh well, back to doing magic
10:56 crab is it because of the magic that you were melting?
10:56 sri it's the magic that keeps me frozen
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11:05 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious Directory Traversal Vulnerability http://bit.ly/gFmQ8Y" (ja) --vulnow http://twitter.com/vulnow/status/59935496431869954
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11:20 perlrocks Twitter: "DDosing #Mojolicious hypnotoad or daemon with multiple WebSocket connections works. You don't use WebSockets? You don't know, but you do! :)" --vtivti http://twitter.com/vtivti/status/59939424758272000
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11:29 sri like i said, he's malicious
11:29 sri next thing you know he'll blog about how to best ddos mojolicious
11:29 nuclon is it possible to turn off websockets support if I don't use them?
11:30 sri why?
11:30 nuclon at least for security reasons (as vti showed by his tweet)
11:30 sri what did he show?
11:31 nuclon "DDosing #Mojolicious hypnotoad or daemon with multiple WebSocket connections works. You don't use WebSockets? You don't know, but you do! :)"
11:31 moritz he claimed something
11:31 moritz he didn't show anything
11:31 sri yea
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11:32 sri you can ddos pretty much any web server over http
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11:33 sri actually not just pretty much
11:33 sri you just can
11:33 sri countering ddos is not a web servers job
11:33 nuclon do I understand it right that websockets processing in mojo is not really asynchronous?
11:34 sri ok, please stop making things up
11:34 sri you're just buying into FUD now
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11:59 sri i can make websockets a bit more resilient though
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12:15 GitHub182 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 168c52b (4 files in 4 dirs): made WebSockets a little more resilient - http://bit.ly/gbDf4M
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12:18 crab sri: the return $self you added in finish seems like dead code
12:19 sri oh right, forgot to remove the other return
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12:21 marcus hi crab
12:22 sri i know what he meant in the tweet i think, the implicit handshake gives all connections a 300 second timeout instead of 5
12:22 sri which makes ddos easier
12:23 sri it's bullshit though
12:23 sri even at 5 seconds you can ddos the hell out of any server over http
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12:34 sri amc++ # they really know how to make good shows
12:34 sri the killing is damn good
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12:54 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious Directory Traversal Vulnerability - Advisories - Community http://bit.ly/gv2aan" --Alltop_TM http://twitter.com/Alltop_T​M/status/59963068414820352
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13:25 elb0w sri, I see Mojolicious made a guest appearance on one of the security lists im on haha
13:25 sri \o/
13:26 sri funny how quickly that information got around
13:27 elb0w http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2011/q2/282
13:28 elb0w lol?
13:28 purl i think lol is a much better acronym though. or a verb in dutch
13:28 elb0w that worked
13:28 elb0w haha
13:28 elb0w wow
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15:49 sri \o
15:49 sri o/
15:49 sri \o/
15:53 elb0w \o/-AHHHH! -~-~-~-~-/\~-.~--
15:53 elb0w thats a shark btw
15:53 sri :o
16:03 Akron :D
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16:49 perlrocks Twitter: "Directory traversal found in #Mojolicious. Upgrade !!! and run in Chroot http://1nw.eu/!4C" --jvehent http://twitter.com/jvehent​/status/60022094053908480
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17:44 perlrocks Twitter: "CVE request: Mojolicious: Hi,  Please assign a CVE ID for this Mojolicious issue:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi... http://bit.ly/hamVxz" --oss_security http://twitter.com/oss_secur​ity/status/60036075959230465
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19:03 perlrocks Twitter: "@perlninja not php specific, webserver specific. For #Mojolicious, add bash and env and hypnotoad will start. (I will add it to the script)" --jvehent http://twitter.com/jvehent​/status/60055929000964096
19:06 perlrocks Twitter: "@jvehent then we're getting somewhere :) why not throw it on the Mojolicious wiki as well? Or if you want, send it to me and I'll do it :)" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/60056636076724224
19:22 perlrocks Twitter: "This is exactly what i'm aiming for with #mojolicious. http://t.co/sR5deHt #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/60060654358364160
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20:50 perlrocks Twitter: "Re: CVE request: Mojolicious directory traversal vulnerability: ----- Original Message -----  Please use CVE-201... http://bit.ly/fEkDVD" --oss_security http://twitter.com/oss_secur​ity/status/60082745111613440
20:51 perlrocks Twitter: "#Mojolicious security flaw is just a workaround. We're all fucked. https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/116 #perl" --und3f http://twitter.com/und3f/status/60082951735607297
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21:01 marcus heh
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21:22 perlrocks Twitter: "@perlninja all mojolicious applications are vulnerable to easy ddos attacks. Isn't that a security issue?" --und3f http://twitter.com/und3f/status/60090785177141249
21:23 sri oh boy, and he doesn't even understand english, i will not even attempt to explain it
21:25 PerlNinja here's my answer to that one:
21:25 PerlNinja @und3f no, if your app servers respond to your frontends over routable IP space, you're a tool. No firewall rules to control things, same.
21:26 PerlNinja people keep missing that whole "real world deployment scenario" idea
21:31 perlrocks Twitter: "Open ports =/= security issue http://tinyurl.com/3tsl9m2  #mojolicious #perl" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/60093007352958976
21:33 PerlNinja >.>
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21:41 sri what the hell, why can he reopen issues?
21:42 PerlNinja admin bit floating around for him still?
21:43 PerlNinja or maybe that's just github being github
21:43 sri that
21:44 sri anyway, i'll release a rather big 1.17 in a few mins to take away all their steam
21:44 sri considering how malicious they are
21:44 PerlNinja :D
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21:46 PerlNinja my boss/manager/co-dev was surprised how easy it was to upgrade ... perl -MCPAN -e 'upgrade Mojolicious' && hup-the-toad.sh
21:46 sri :)
21:47 PerlNinja even that's automated these days since i'd have to do it on 6 boxes at the same time
21:47 PerlNinja bigassed mojolicious app :)
21:48 PerlNinja that.. i can't talk about much yet ... gotta love that sneaky-hush-hush startup phase
21:49 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.17 by KRAIH - http://frepan.org/~kraih/Mojolicious-1.17/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/60097666541035520
21:50 perlrocks Twitter: "Released #mojolicious 1.17 with lots of bugfixes and improvements, enjoy! :) http://t.co/bxlQpUD #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/60097930224353280
21:58 perlrocks Twitter: "And make sure to try the new html healing feature of Mojo::DOM, it's really fun. ;) http://t.co/bb8fU61 #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/60100030501097472
21:59 sri PerlNinja: aww
22:01 sri oh right, the failraptor is also in the release :)
22:02 PerlNinja not my choice, my partner, who is very italian, explicitly said i shouldn't talk about it too much about it so I have to respect that
22:02 PerlNinja plus he's about a head bigger and nearly twice my weight
22:02 PerlNinja and italian
22:02 PerlNinja so... that scares me
22:02 PerlNinja woo failraptor
22:04 j-v-e hey, since it's announcement day, there is an article on mojolicious coming up in the next issue of gnu/linux mag france
22:04 sri \o/
22:05 j-v-e not sure what this is supposed to represent :/
22:05 PerlNinja YAY!
22:05 j-v-e ha yes, see it now :)
22:06 sri \o
22:06 sri o/
22:06 sri \o/
22:06 PerlNinja if you do the macarena
22:06 PerlNinja i'm going to scream
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22:10 yko better and better. damn, i shoud upgrade from 1.1 :)
22:11 sri /o\
22:11 sri (that's supposed to be a facepalm)
22:11 yko i hope you guys wont eat each other while i'm warming my old bones at antalia :)
22:12 sri no promises
22:12 yko well, some of my apps depend on client, oneof my apps is suspected in memory leacs with 1.12+
22:12 PerlNinja I'd claim to be a vegetarian but
22:12 PerlNinja I likes my meat
22:12 PerlNinja *pokes sri* ... hmm.. meaty
22:13 yko *leaks, grrr
22:14 yko good week to you all
22:14 PerlNinja run it thru with Devel::Leak and such, should at least give you a pointer where it's at
22:14 sri have a nice vacation
22:15 sri small leaks shouldn't be a problem with hypnotoad, it cycles workers regularly
22:15 PerlNinja yko: don't warm too much okay, no news of spontaneously combusting old bones in antalla
22:15 sri (until you've fixed them of course)
22:18 Akron Bye yko!
22:18 PerlNinja ok, i'm off again, i gotta stop staying up till 5am
22:18 PerlNinja alarm's gonna go off in about 4 hours o_O
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22:18 PerlNinja oh yeh before i go
22:19 PerlNinja sri: failraptor plushies.
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22:19 * sri wants one
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23:05 mateu an italian on his turf is tough, an italian on my turf is a meatball sandwich with a some montepulciano to wash it down.
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23:17 * garu kinda likes the fact that there's so much security buzz around mojolicious now. It's bound to make the framework better (it's happening already) and it also means people are using it :)
23:18 sri indeed :)
23:18 mateu open source++
23:19 garu yup
23:23 garu sri: btw I only got the distorted und3f/perlninja review on the IOLoop issue. Anyone has reference on a larger (and possibly unbiased) discussion?
23:23 sri the subject of the discussion is gone in 1.17 anyway
23:24 sri but we had a dummy listen socket around to make poll/epoll block
23:24 garu ah
23:24 garu and it's gone in 1.17?
23:24 sri ye
23:24 garu sweet
23:25 sri well... the new workaround is a sleep -.-
23:26 sri those are the two alternatives people use, guess sleep is the lesser evil
23:26 sri since it's usleep()
23:26 garu right
23:27 garu and you can't opt-out of the ioloop?
23:28 sri what do you mean?
23:29 sri basically all tcp io goes through it and some udp for dns
23:31 garu hmm
23:31 garu nevermind then
23:31 garu I was hoping one could stop being async if one wanted
23:31 garu though I can't really see a point in that
23:32 sri that would be very non trivial
23:32 sri blocking io is generally faster
23:33 sri it's scaling vs performance
23:33 garu right
23:34 sri but i'd much rather explore coroutines further to make non-blocking io loop blocking and get the best of both :)
23:34 garu sounds awesome
23:34 sri have you seen my example?
23:35 garu not really, I know you've been playing with Coro, though
23:35 sri https://gist.github.com/917702
23:36 sri the get request inside the template is actually using non-blocking io
23:36 sri and keeps switching back and forth between coroutines while waiting
23:37 garu nice!
23:37 sri you could develop with blocking io and just activate a plugin in production to get better scaling
23:38 garu do I see a tutorial coming up? :)
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23:39 k-man hi
23:39 purl hola, k-man.
23:39 garu or a new entry in the Cookbook
23:39 * sri waves
23:39 k-man hi purl
23:39 purl hi, k-man.
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23:39 k-man ooh, nice friendly community
23:39 sri garu: a plugin with documentation most likely ;)
23:39 * f00li5h paws at k-man
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23:39 garu sri: oh, on a completely different subject, did you tweak prettify.js? I'm trying to use it for perl code on a website but I keep having to add stuff like 'say' and 'shift'. I can share if you like, but it's still missing things (for example, all caps namespaces go with a different color, you can try doing "package Mojo::DOM;" to see for yourself)
23:39 * sri puts some catnip into the channel
23:40 sri nope, not modified it yet
23:40 sri but i'm very tempted to make ep templates work
23:41 k-man hi f00li5h
23:41 garu hm? you mean work with prettify?
23:41 k-man this command on the home page does not work as excpected "sudo -s 'curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - Mojolicious'"
23:41 * sri nods at garu
23:41 garu cool
23:42 garu I'll try to get my patches committed upstream until then
23:42 sri k-man: you can also install mojolicious the old school way from cpan
23:42 k-man how do i specify the interface ip address the server should bind to?
23:42 f00li5h k-man: https signatures?
23:42 f00li5h that was the trouble wget had with cpanmin.us
23:42 k-man sri, i worked arround it, just thought whoever manages the site might like to know
23:42 sri k-man: which problem did you have? https?
23:42 k-man erro: /bin/bash: curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - Mojolicious: command not found
23:43 sri ah ok
23:43 f00li5h don't run it with quotes
23:43 k-man anyway, i've installed it - but imho, that line needs fixing
23:43 * sri nods
23:43 k-man because it didn't work for me
23:44 sri actually, it has no quotes on the website
23:44 * sri scratches head
23:44 k-man i just put the double quotes in to illustrate which bit i was executing
23:45 sri weird error
23:45 k-man i obviously didn't try and run it with double quotes
23:45 sri was curl missing?
23:45 garu k-man: but... if you type it now, do you get that exact same error?
23:45 k-man curl is installed and working
23:45 f00li5h sri: put "echo cats" into a shell, then put ""echo cats"" into a shell
23:46 sri mhm
23:46 k-man yes, i still get the same error
23:46 garu sri: doesn't k-man mean the single quote after sudo -s ?
23:47 sri oh
23:47 garu I see that on the website
23:47 garu :)
23:47 garu k-man: as for your interface ip address question, do you mean myapp daemon --listen <location> ?
23:47 sri now i get it
23:48 sri sudo -s did not like the quoted command
23:48 garu yup
23:48 sri what does sudo on linux like?
23:48 k-man yes, sudo seems to try and execute the whole line as one command, rather than calling bash and passing the rest of the line to bash ( or whatever shell)
23:48 f00li5h you could just tell cpan minus to install it into ~
23:49 mateu curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - Mojolicious work for me on debian/ubunut
23:49 sri not good without sudo
23:49 f00li5h |   - run me with --local-lib option e.g. cpanm --local-lib=~/perl5
23:49 DaTa_ curl -L cpanmin.us | sudo perl - Mojolicious
23:49 mateu unless your alread root ;)
23:50 sri DaTa_: that one asks for a password at a random point in time
23:50 garu I think sudo -c "command | command"
23:50 garu err sorry
23:50 garu no it doesn't
23:50 k-man ok, so when i run the sample mojo program, it says: Server available at http://*:3000.   how do i set it to a proper interface?
23:50 sri oooh
23:50 DaTa_ indeed, sudo sh -c ' ... ' is the way to go then :)
23:51 sri yea
23:51 sri just saw it in the manpage :)
23:51 k-man DaTa_, i toyed with that but couldn't make that work either.... but i didn't try very hard i must admit
23:51 f00li5h k-man: * includes the one you want ;)
23:51 garu k-man: myapp daemon --listen http://my.ip:PORT ?
23:52 k-man f00li5h, thanks
23:53 mateu does manpage have any relation to "man lair"?
23:54 sri website updated
23:55 k-man ooh... ok, so i got the example page working i think
23:55 mateu you think?
23:55 purl No, I'm a bot.
23:55 mateu moi non plus
23:56 k-man yeah.. its weird - it comes up with this whole load of stuff including at the top: "This page is brand new and has not been unboxed yet!"
23:56 mateu 404
23:56 k-man thats a 404?
23:56 sri thats the welcome page :)
23:56 k-man hmm
23:56 sri development 404
23:56 * mateu wishes he could read the page, but color combo is hard on his eyes
23:57 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojolicious/Lite # babysteps, just start with the tutorial
23:57 k-man ok
23:57 f00li5h why are there shadows on all the text?
23:57 k-man so the whole home page needs a revamp then? the install like is broken, and then the first example is broken too
23:57 mateu black is so passe
23:57 f00li5h k-man: sounds like you're now in charge of patches.
23:57 sri k-man: the example is not broken
23:57 k-man f00li5h, damn! ;)
23:58 k-man sri, its broken for me
23:58 sri welcome page is intended
23:58 sri all actions in that app have a route attached
23:58 f00li5h sri: pesky suggestion, can i have a "download this snippit" in the pod at http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojolicious/Lite ?
23:59 sri f00li5h: now you're in charge of a patch :)
23:59 f00li5h sri: k.
23:59 f00li5h sri: what do i check out?
23:59 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo
23:59 mateu f00li5h: it's a good idea, how to make a seciton raw/downloadable

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