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| 00:00 |
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sri |
you won't get conflicting sessions |
| 00:00 |
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sri |
newest version always wins |
| 00:01 |
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PerlNinja |
na just the data in it, it was one of those things that gave me a headache when it used server-side storage for everything, there was a chance something could get clobbered, so .. solves that then |
| 00:01 |
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sri |
:) |
| 00:02 |
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PerlNinja |
ok.. one more just from a "am curious" perspective |
| 00:02 |
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PerlNinja |
app->sessions v.s. controller->session - they both use the same session stash, why split them like that? conveniene or more a matter of "just happened that way" |
| 00:03 |
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PerlNinja |
? |
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sri |
app->sessions is simply a component that can be replaced |
| 00:08 |
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PerlNinja |
okay and controller->session uses that or is it a separate thing, in theory? |
| 00:09 |
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sri |
exactly |
| 00:09 |
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sri |
you could replace app->sessions with a server side solution and controller->session can still work |
| 00:10 |
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sri |
MojoX::Sessions predates both btw. so it does not use any of the new APIs |
| 00:11 |
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PerlNinja |
I know :) |
| 00:11 |
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PerlNinja |
that's why I want to re-do it |
| 00:11 |
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PerlNinja |
cos lord knows vti ain't gonna |
| 00:17 |
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PerlNinja |
oh wait, teehee, guess he swapped roles at some point, i'm first-come and he's co-maint .. so solves that too :D |
| 00:20 |
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PerlNinja |
hm, funny, i seem to one of few people using Mercurial instead of git |
| 00:22 |
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stephanj |
i use it too rarely |
| 00:23 |
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stephanj |
in my opinion it works better with windowns |
| 00:24 |
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PerlNinja |
i ended up using it at some point because the people i worked for/with (british) didn't quite enjoy the idea of telling their clients to install git |
| 00:24 |
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stephanj |
but hg? |
| 00:24 |
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purl |
i guess hg is just more poular over there. or Mercurial |
| 00:24 |
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PerlNinja |
so.. yeah.. mercurial it was. plus i have it anyway for $work since that's all we used anyway |
| 00:25 |
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PerlNinja |
and bitbucket had free private repos :D |
| 00:25 |
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PerlNinja |
I'm Dutch and I fit the "cheap bastard" stereotype |
| 00:25 |
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stephanj |
hehe |
| 00:27 |
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PerlNinja |
only thing i miss about mercurial is subrepositories being handled in a sane manner |
| 01:03 |
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sri |
git pretty much won though |
| 01:04 |
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PerlNinja |
yeah |
| 01:05 |
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PerlNinja |
I have to admit I like git too, but it's too much of a pain in the ass to switch over to it from hg |
| 01:05 |
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PerlNinja |
that and I like being different :P |
| 01:05 |
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sri |
git-hg? |
| 01:05 |
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PerlNinja |
that exists? |
| 01:05 |
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PerlNinja |
hm |
| 01:05 |
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PerlNinja |
meh |
| 01:06 |
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PerlNinja |
:effort: |
| 01:06 |
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sri |
<3 github |
| 01:06 |
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PerlNinja |
<3 bitbucket |
| 01:06 |
|
PerlNinja |
:P |
| 01:07 |
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sri |
you have to be kidding! |
| 01:07 |
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PerlNinja |
nope, that's where i keep all my junk |
| 01:07 |
|
sri |
:S |
| 01:07 |
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PerlNinja |
wha? |
| 01:09 |
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PerlNinja |
whats wrong with it? :P |
| 01:09 |
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sri |
if you really want to be different you should use bazaar :D |
| 01:11 |
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sri |
i really can't stand bitbucket |
| 01:13 |
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PerlNinja |
look at github, now look at bitbucket ... they're virtual twins pretty much :P UI wise |
| 01:13 |
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sri |
only at first sight |
| 01:13 |
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sri |
coming from github you notice all the little details missing instantly |
| 01:14 |
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PerlNinja |
mmm |
| 01:16 |
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PerlNinja |
might take the time to move things over then |
| 01:16 |
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PerlNinja |
there goes another weekend fixing build tools |
| 01:17 |
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sri |
and why the hell would they make the commit list the first thing you see? |
| 01:17 |
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PerlNinja |
no idea but I like it :P |
| 01:17 |
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PerlNinja |
lets me see what my minions have been up to |
| 01:18 |
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sri |
for you, but not people visiting your project to take a look |
| 01:18 |
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PerlNinja |
point |
| 01:18 |
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PerlNinja |
hmm |
| 01:19 |
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sri |
on github you get an overview of what everybody you know did on the main page |
| 01:19 |
|
sri |
social networking style |
| 01:19 |
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PerlNinja |
myeah maybe i'll move |
| 01:19 |
|
PerlNinja |
right now it's just that half my build tools depend on being able to extract a numerical revision instead of a hash |
| 01:19 |
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sri |
just try it, follow a few cool people |
| 01:19 |
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PerlNinja |
hg id -n does that |
| 01:20 |
|
PerlNinja |
soooo that's like... rewrite that stuff |
| 01:20 |
|
PerlNinja |
oh well :D |
| 01:20 |
|
PerlNinja |
hobby projects++ |
| 01:22 |
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sri |
the social network thingy actually helps you discover hip new projects |
| 01:23 |
|
sri |
because you can see when people you know start following something |
| 01:23 |
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stephanj |
and what is if you dont want the social networking stuff? |
| 01:23 |
|
sri |
then you don't look at it :) |
| 01:23 |
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PerlNinja |
ahh but same could be said for that commit list thing :P |
| 01:24 |
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stephanj |
ye commit list is cooler sometimes "dammit, i should do something"-motivator like |
| 01:24 |
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sri |
not really, social network thingy is only visible if you're logged in |
| 01:24 |
|
sri |
commit list gets shown to everybody |
| 01:25 |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo # i think this is pretty much the ideal solution for a code repository overview |
| 01:29 |
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PerlNinja |
hmm |
| 01:31 |
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PerlNinja |
yeah that is kinda better |
| 01:32 |
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PerlNinja |
guess more people use github than bitbucket too so that'd help a little |
| 01:32 |
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sri |
especially perl people |
| 01:32 |
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PerlNinja |
yeah just noticed dist::zilla has no mercurial bits but it has git bits |
| 01:32 |
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PerlNinja |
and i'm tempted to start using it because my own build scripts do a bunch of things dist::zilla probably does better |
| 01:33 |
|
sri |
https://github.com/mongodb/mongo # another example :) |
| 01:33 |
|
PerlNinja |
meh... sleep first, mucking with github after |
| 01:33 |
|
PerlNinja |
ug that reminds me |
| 01:33 |
|
PerlNinja |
i need to shoot whoever wrote the spec docs for BSON |
| 01:33 |
|
sri |
why? |
| 01:34 |
|
sri |
i've implemented the whole spec, wasn't too bad |
| 01:34 |
|
PerlNinja |
because the examples don't match the spec :D hehe .. or maybe that was just me not paying attention |
| 01:35 |
|
PerlNinja |
was looking for a pure perl bson implementation and couldn't find any so figured maybe i'll write me up something but ... |
| 01:35 |
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PerlNinja |
:effort: :D |
| 01:35 |
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sri |
i have one ;p |
| 01:35 |
|
sri |
feature complete with tests |
| 01:35 |
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PerlNinja |
yeah but you're not done yet with your mongodb things :P |
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PerlNinja |
anyway .. nap time, back later with either horror stories or happy stories about moving to github |
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sri |
reminds me, i should spend more time working on that -.- |
| 01:38 |
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* tempire |
whips sri |
| 01:38 |
|
sri |
OUCH! |
| 01:38 |
|
tempire |
a mojolicious full stack would be excellent protection against such attacks |
| 01:39 |
|
sri |
i see |
| 01:47 |
|
sri |
suppose i could change my goals a bit and release the mongodb driver without a finished orm |
| 01:55 |
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tempire |
Is there a lot of interest in a pure perl mongodb driver? |
| 01:55 |
|
tempire |
I don't use it myself. |
| 01:55 |
|
tempire |
clearly perlninja has interest. |
| 01:56 |
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tempire |
it's the orm that interests me |
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mateu |
i'd be happy with starting by testing a driver |
| 02:02 |
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sri |
pure perl mongodb driver means it installs like mojolicious itself and supports non-blocking |
| 02:03 |
|
sri |
and of course a friendlier bson api |
| 02:03 |
|
sri |
those are the parts that interest me |
| 02:05 |
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mateu |
I think the non-blocking part would be nice. |
| 02:05 |
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mateu |
not that blocking has slowed me down yet, but I'm at the tip of the iceberg. |
| 02:05 |
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tempire |
I think the orm should involve a nyan raptor. |
| 02:06 |
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sri |
purl: nyan? |
| 02:06 |
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purl |
i don't know, sri |
| 02:06 |
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sri |
purl: nyan is http://nyan.cat |
| 02:06 |
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purl |
OK, sri. |
| 02:06 |
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sri |
purl: nyan is also NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN!!!!!!!1 |
| 02:06 |
|
purl |
okay, sri. |
| 02:07 |
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mateu |
my eyes are hurting. |
| 02:07 |
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sri |
you're doing it wrong then |
| 02:07 |
|
mateu |
I think I'be been locked into a timewarp or something. |
| 02:07 |
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sri |
it should be the ears |
| 02:08 |
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tempire |
I really enjoy the nyan cat |
| 02:08 |
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mateu |
goin' to make 100 seconds yes... |
| 02:08 |
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tempire |
I can listen to it for long blocks at a time. |
| 02:08 |
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mateu |
oh, it has sound? |
| 02:08 |
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tempire |
DUDE. |
| 02:08 |
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sri |
DUDE. |
| 02:08 |
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tempire |
seriously. |
| 02:08 |
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purl |
I'm totally freaking serious. |
| 02:08 |
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mateu |
EDUD |
| 02:09 |
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* mateu |
does a sound check |
| 02:09 |
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mateu |
you guys got me on that one, damn I'm gullable |
| 02:11 |
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sri |
312 seconds! |
| 02:11 |
|
mateu |
/me concedes defeat |
| 02:12 |
|
tempire |
you could always go with the original youtube vidoe |
| 02:12 |
|
tempire |
*video |
| 02:13 |
|
tempire |
I prefer the pop-tart version myself. |
| 02:13 |
|
tempire |
but the toast is still a winner. |
| 02:13 |
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sri |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4 |
| 02:49 |
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tempire |
or if you prefer live action |
| 02:49 |
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tempire |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]s&feature=related |
| 02:58 |
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sri |
i actually had to google what a pop tart is :S |
| 02:59 |
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tempire |
they don't have pop tarts in the fatherland? |
| 02:59 |
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sri |
don't think so |
| 03:04 |
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sri |
don't think i would like it anyway |
| 03:05 |
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* sri |
hates oreos and mountain dew too |
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tempire |
no one likes pop tarts |
| 03:10 |
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tempire |
except for children that have no palate. |
| 03:10 |
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tempire |
But oreas |
| 03:10 |
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tempire |
oreos |
| 03:10 |
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tempire |
the mint oreos are tasty |
| 03:11 |
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sri |
way too sweet |
| 03:11 |
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sri |
i like to have a little more cookie with my sugar |
| 03:12 |
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tempire |
that's what she said |
| 03:12 |
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tempire |
OH! |
| 03:13 |
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sri |
actually can't think of many american brands i like |
| 03:14 |
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sri |
ben and jerrys is really good though |
| 03:17 |
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sri |
also still need to try hot pockets |
| 03:17 |
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tempire |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]w&feature=related |
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sri |
lol |
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sri |
maybe not |
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* mateu |
had a dream with home made pop tarts in it. |
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vitalka |
Hi, mojopeoples! |
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vitalka |
Anybody home? |
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purl |
There's nobody here but us bots. or <reply>no |
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vitalka |
Could you consult me? |
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yawns |
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* PerlNinja |
sticks a breadroll in sri's mouth |
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PerlNinja |
operation bitbucket-to-github is actually going nicely :P |
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sri |
*munch* |
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mateu |
PerlNinja: may I offer a suggestion for your Changes file? |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * f348ef0 (1 files in 1 dirs): added ietf-07 WebSocket masking - http://bit.ly/hOG6qT |
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sri |
only small changes to the websocket spec this time |
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sri |
07 could be final |
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mateu |
that would be nice |
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PerlNinja |
mateu: sure, go for it |
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PerlNinja |
the one you see on github isn't the one that goes into the dist, though |
| 14:20 |
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mateu |
I'd consider synthesizes the repo messages into something along the lines of CPAN::Changes::Spec |
| 14:21 |
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PerlNinja |
lemme take a look at that |
| 14:22 |
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PerlNinja |
yep makes sense |
| 14:23 |
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PerlNinja |
i think Dist::Zilla already dumps it out for me in that fashion but it'll take it from the git log, so can't really change that anymore - but will format accordingly for new stuff |
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PerlNinja |
thanks :D |
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mateu |
in my opinionated opinion a Change log should be something different than verbatim commit messages |
| 14:47 |
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mateu |
it's an opportunity to summarizes and categories the changes for easy human consumption |
| 14:47 |
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mateu |
summarize and categorize* |
| 14:47 |
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* mateu |
struggles with his native tongue |
| 14:48 |
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mateu |
Moose is a decent example of such |
| 14:51 |
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PerlNinja |
hmm dunno, I always feel it's a hassle to write commit messages and keep Changes up to date |
| 14:51 |
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PerlNinja |
mostly because Changes would duplicate that what's been committed in the first place |
| 14:55 |
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mateu |
it's about turning noisy commits into something more palatable - what you have now in Changes is as you say a duplication and a lot of useless stuff for a change log |
| 14:56 |
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mateu |
pardon my peskiness, but I figure you don't mind me ranting a bit |
| 14:58 |
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PerlNinja |
absolutely not :) |
| 14:58 |
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PerlNinja |
ranting is good |
| 14:58 |
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PerlNinja |
and yes my current Changes file is a dupe of the commit log line for line .. my old scripts did hg log > Changes, basically |
| 14:59 |
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PerlNinja |
retooling things to use Dist::Zilla so I can add things like critic tests, proper Changes files, the whole nine yards without having to do it by hand .. I'm a chaotic personality so I tend to flat out forget about things like that :) |
| 15:01 |
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mateu |
my point is I don't think an automated changes is necessarily a good thing. I'd like to see a tool that could turn commit message into something more structured but haven't come across one |
| 15:01 |
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mateu |
let me know if you do |
| 15:01 |
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PerlNinja |
well that's what i was thinking of doing |
| 15:01 |
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PerlNinja |
i figure since i'm tagging things with version numbers on release |
| 15:02 |
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PerlNinja |
you could rock up all changes between the last release and the one you're doing, throw that in an editable file and auto-edit before proceeding so you can take your commit messages, and re-roll it into something sane |
| 15:02 |
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PerlNinja |
and then it gets written out to Changes |
| 15:02 |
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mateu |
how would you categorize statements? |
| 15:02 |
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PerlNinja |
cut, paste, liberal editing :) |
| 15:02 |
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mateu |
:) |
| 15:03 |
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PerlNinja |
I mean if I fix a security bug or something related to reported bugs, I'd list it as fixing issue #whatever |
| 15:03 |
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PerlNinja |
or at least mention 'fixed security issue' in a commit message somewhere |
| 15:03 |
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PerlNinja |
so using your commit messages you can just write a categorised list of things that need to be categorised |
| 15:04 |
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PerlNinja |
more often than not you don't have to categorise anything :d |
| 15:04 |
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PerlNinja |
.. categorize ... hm... stupid american english spelling :D |
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mateu |
while I'm ranting, mojolicious Changes could improve as well by categorizing a touch more as well |
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mateu |
No need for "Fixed" 10 times when a Fixes section heading will suffice |
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* mateu |
is a bit anal about the Tufte principle maximum-data-ink |
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sri |
mateu: i order them by importance |
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sri |
actually i don't like categories in Changes |
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sri |
but i agree about auto generated Changes files, they suck big time |
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sri |
in fact i think http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]ious-1.21/Changes is much easier on the eyes than http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]ious-1.21/Changes |
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sri |
ops |
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sri |
than http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]se-2.0001/Changes |
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sri |
humans should be able to qickly skim over the Changes file without too much effort |
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GitHub33 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * cc9b999 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed Changes formatting - http://bit.ly/fNShuV |
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PerlNinja |
hmm i'm undecided, things can be said for both styles |
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PerlNinja |
on the other hand, do we really need a Changes file these days - everything's on github or bitbucket or whatever anyway, Changes files are a holdover from the days where you'd have to record what you did because there wasn't any version control, and no way for people to easily see what's gotten changed |
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stephanj |
version control? whats that? |
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* PerlNinja |
slaps stephanj with ... with ... a smelly poodle |
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stephanj |
i would say yes its needed, so you can see changes for current and maybe last 2-3 versions, but for more? you could also link to $somewebsite |
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PerlNinja |
to be honest i never look at changes files - if there's any backward compatibility breaking changes they're usually in the docs |
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sri |
absolutely needed |
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sri |
Changes is for users, commit messages for developers |
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PerlNinja |
not like i'd not include it :) but formatting wise |
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PerlNinja |
the moose Changes file is not nice on the eyes for me |
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sri |
usually when i announce a new mojolicious version and i forget a Changes link people notice and complain |
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PerlNinja |
:D |
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moritz |
at least commit messages that are more specific than "cleanup" are for developers |
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* marcus |
is currently running: Finder, Skype, iTerm, App Store, Google Chrome, Xcode, Sparrow, Textual, iTunes - (9 Total) |
| 15:53 |
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PerlNinja |
"foo" and "fffuuuuuuuuuuu" aren't that useful for developers either :P |
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* PerlNinja |
isn't running anything that marcus is running :( I'm not hip.. no macbook for me :( |
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sri |
hmm, Textual looks like garbage |
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marcus |
sri:how so? |
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marcus |
It's a modified limechat |
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sri |
judging by the screenshots |
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marcus |
it's just a crappy default font :) |
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marcus |
I use it with Mesnch |
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marcus |
mensch even |
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marcus |
and it supports full-screen |
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moritz |
in my debug output I see lines like |
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moritz |
Sun Apr 24 19:43:10 2011 debug Mojolicious::Plugin::EplRenderer:61 [8822]: Template "authorid.html.ep" not found. |
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moritz |
but the string 'authorid' appears nowhere in my code |
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moritz |
where does it come from? |
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sri |
"./myapp.pl routes" |
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moritz |
it mentions |
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moritz |
/author/:id authorid (?-xism:^/author/([^\/\.]+)) |
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PerlNinja |
ooh |
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PerlNinja |
autorendering now uses the route's generated name? |
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moritz |
but that route has an exeplicit template => 'author', |
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sri |
PerlNinja: did for quite some time |
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moritz |
and I'm not using link_to either |
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moritz |
so I don't understand why an include (?) tries to use an 'authorid' template |
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sri |
well, i can only guess that you're doing something wrong |
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PerlNinja |
sri: okay been a long time since i used the auto-render bits :D |
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sri |
it's not just auto render |
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moritz |
does %== include with an even number of arguments does something magic? |
| 17:48 |
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* PerlNinja |
is currently messing with Mojolicious::Sessions >.> |
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sri |
$self->render; will use controller/action or route name too |
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PerlNinja |
*makes it sound much more sinister than it is to see whether sri is going to panic* |
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PerlNinja |
sri, you were right about github, moar features there than bitbucket |
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PerlNinja |
sri++ |
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sri |
:) |
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marcus |
<3 github |
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marcus |
https://github.com/creationix/[…]ster/lib/wheat.js interesting to see how an actual node.js mvc app looks |
| 17:54 |
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marcus |
the router is pretty ugly |
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sri |
eww |
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PerlNinja |
ick |
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sri |
the only way to make a javascript webapp look good is to use coffeescript |
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stephanj |
which then hides the total uglyness? |
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* sri |
nods |
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PerlNinja |
showed that to a friend just now, he said "i always thought Perl was ugly, for that I'm sorry. JS is uglier. _O-" |
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sri |
haha |
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PerlNinja |
vindication! |
| 18:21 |
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PerlNinja |
too many windows |
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PerlNinja |
so yeah uhmm |
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PerlNinja |
where was i |
| 18:21 |
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sri |
actually |
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PerlNinja |
mojo.session |
| 18:21 |
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sri |
i could also turn session and flash into helpers |
| 18:22 |
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sri |
then you replace them as a whole |
| 18:22 |
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PerlNinja |
hmm, true, that might work better than doing what i'm doing |
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PerlNinja |
on the other hand the thing is that that subclass way |
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PerlNinja |
flash behaviour doesn't change at all, and it doesn't need to - I'm just sort of sticking my nose into load() and store() to grab the bits that need to go to the DB, the rest goes thru the standard mechanism |
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PerlNinja |
although the only value in the entire session would be expires, and session_key |
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PerlNinja |
so one way or the other I guess it boils down to what's easier - I don't mind doing it this way to be honest |
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* sri |
is unsure |
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* PerlNinja |
is also unsure as to what'd be better |
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sri |
well, i have no plans to change mojo.session, but since it's private there is always a risk |
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PerlNinja |
yeah okay but that's more something that ends up on my plate at that point |
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sri |
or wait |
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sri |
wait wait |
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* PerlNinja |
wait(3) |
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sri |
you don't need that |
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sri |
of course, you can delete stuff from the hash |
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sri |
my $hash = $self->session |
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sri |
no need to touch anything private there |
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PerlNinja |
\o/ |
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PerlNinja |
didn't even think of that |
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sri |
let me just make a small change |
| 18:28 |
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PerlNinja |
sure no prob, i'm nowhere near done with anything so it's all good |
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sri |
i'll prefix flash/new_flash with mojo. so you can consider them private too and just ignore session keys prefixed with mojo. |
| 18:29 |
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PerlNinja |
cool |
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PerlNinja |
is there such a thing as $self->session though? which $self are we talking about, Mojolicious::Sessions or Mojolicious::Plugin? |
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PerlNinja |
or app |
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sri |
controller |
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purl |
rumour has it controller is all fine until someone writes another app that uses the same db/model |
| 18:30 |
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PerlNinja |
hmm okay so i can get to it by hooking (before|after)_dispatch then, right? |
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sri |
hmm, or actually renaming flash makes no sense... since you need to implement it with server side storage |
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sri |
i would still go with overloading i think |
| 18:36 |
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PerlNinja |
the thing with flash is though that it's not really necessary to store that server side |
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PerlNinja |
since it's not supposed to last between requests.. (mojo.static notwithstanding) |
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PerlNinja |
although it would let you flash across browsers ... that's my main reason for writing this plugin, $work project has a requirement that people can log in from different browsers and end up on the same session state |
| 18:37 |
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sri |
hmm |
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PerlNinja |
or rather, if they've logged in on their desktop and they're logged in on their ipad |
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PerlNinja |
if they push a button on one, the end result needs to show up in both places |
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sri |
guess i'll not change anything and just let you do your thing, can always clean up later |
| 18:38 |
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PerlNinja |
heheh |
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sri |
better to base these decisions on actual experience ;p |
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PerlNinja |
one thing that could be done though if it's not going to turn out confusing |
| 18:39 |
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PerlNinja |
is add an accessor in Mojolicious::Sessions to get to mojo.session |
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PerlNinja |
at least I won't be poking around directly in the stash |
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sri |
$c->session |
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purl |
$c->session is always browser session |
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PerlNinja |
wups |
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PerlNinja |
forgot about that one |
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PerlNinja |
ok that works then :D |
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sri |
\o/ |
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* PerlNinja |
codes |
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PerlNinja |
actually... I'm doing things differently for a change. I'm writing tests and docs before coding... usually I do it the other way around |
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marcus |
hmm |
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marcus |
a mojo port of squeezebox server would be pretty cool |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "http://is.gd/gN2cYd #mojowka now show pages in #russian too. Language detectd by Accept-Language or explicit user choice. #mojolicious #perl" --shoorick77 http://twitter.com/shoorick77/[…]62239227294912513 |
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PerlNinja |
squeezebox? |
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purl |
squeezebox is, like, The Original, now with 802.11g and optical outputs, at http://www.slimdevices.com or now with RSS feeds of ANYTHING or built on Linux and Perl, streams audio from anywhere and outputs to my home stereo, with excellent software available for $any_platform |
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PerlNinja |
apa itu? |
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PerlNinja |
oh |
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PerlNinja |
damn that bot |
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purl |
damn that bot is annoying |
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sri |
lol |
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PerlNinja |
o_O |
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marcus |
http://svn.slimdevices.com/slim/7.4/trunk/ |
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marcus |
server is perl |
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marcus |
they are bundling cpan dependencies. |
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sri |
that does not look very maintained |
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marcus |
agrundman works on it. |
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marcus |
last commit to 7.6 trunk was 8 hours ago |
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marcus |
wonder why they don't use github |
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marcus |
(agrundman/andyg) |
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sri |
oh, your link was just bad |
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marcus |
purl: seen andyg |
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purl |
andyg was last seen on #catalyst-dev 1 years, 171 days, 1 hours, 55 minutes and 32 seconds ago, saying: it never got ported to M::I? [Nov 4 18:42:21 2009] |
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marcus |
sri: 7.4 is the release version, 7.6 is development trunk |
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* marcus |
has a squeezebox, and is running squeezeserver on his mac mini |
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marcus |
also have squeezebox software for the iphone/ipad |
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sri |
last i heard about squeezebox was like 4 years ago |
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marcus |
when they got bought by logitech? |
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sri |
ye |
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* moritz |
uses Debian/Squueze |
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PerlNinja |
hey sri, is there a way for a plugin to figure out if another plugin has been loaded? obviously if they're loaded in the correct order |
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marcus |
sri: they've made a few cool devices - http://www.logitech.com/no-no/[…]ess-music-systems |
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sri |
PerlNinja: no standard one |
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PerlNinja |
ah ok |
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PerlNinja |
I just ran into an interesting problem, since there's no such thing as Catalyst's Authentication plugin, having per-user sessions instead of per-browser sessions turns into a bit of a ... fun one. And I don't want to require people to use my auth plugin either, so .. hm.. time to get creative :) |
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PerlNinja |
just wanted to see if there's a way to figure out *if* my auth plugin's loaded, that I can use that to deal with part of it |
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marcus |
uhm |
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moritz |
PerlNinja: require a callback that returns the current user |
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marcus |
do you really need per user sessions? |
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PerlNinja |
marcus, I do |
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marcus |
PerlNinja:because you want to have multiple people logged in at the same time? |
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PerlNinja |
marcus: no, I want the same user to be able to log in on multiple devices at the same time and end up with the same session data |
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PerlNinja |
normally speaking sessions are per-device (read: browser) |
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PerlNinja |
just that for $work-project, i need per user sessions |
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PerlNinja |
so I figured, if I'm going to do a session plugin i might as well make it able to use that so i can eat my own dogfood :) |
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marcus |
PerlNinja: sounds like a bad architecture to me. At that point, I would just treat the data as model data. |
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PerlNinja |
mm yeah, but then you get into the region of adding dispatch hooks to your app just to load this model data :) |
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PerlNinja |
reason i'm turning it into a plugin is so that everyone can do it without having to dive deep |
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PerlNinja |
architecture wise, it's all nicely split off into separate modules, so if you just want to use sessions that get stored in database, that's fine, per user is optional and it does some voodoo to swap out the right pieces here and there |
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marcus |
PerlNinja: I'd just add it to the auth bridge, myself. |
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marcus |
if it's something you need in all authed requests |
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PerlNinja |
yeah |
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PerlNinja |
you'd do that, I'd do that :) |
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PerlNinja |
just saying, there's a reason Catalyst got popular and that's because there's a lot of plugins, so a lot of DRY |
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marcus |
PerlNinja: well, rails got popular despite dhh stating that an auth system is too high-level to do well generally :p |
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PerlNinja |
that's why I did that auth plugin - it's easy enough to do in a bridge, but even easier if all that stuff gets done for you and all you have to worry about is checking user_exists, or even going over(authenticated => 1) |
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marcus |
personally, I think the catalyst auth system is an abomination, and I've used it more than most. |
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PerlNinja |
marcus: mmm I'll leave my opinion about dhh out of this :D |
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PerlNinja |
marcus, I agree |
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PerlNinja |
which is why I didn't want to turn my auth plugin into something like it |
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PerlNinja |
all it does is take care of the nitty gritty details, after that, you'll still have to tell it how to load a user and how to check that a username and a password are okay |
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PerlNinja |
most of my plugins are things I used already, it's just that as soon as I need to use the same thing in two different apps, I'm turning it into a plugin because it's going to save my ass a lot of typing and messing about if I have to fix something |
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PerlNinja |
and if I write them anyway, I figure i might as well throw them on CPAN - people don't have to use it after all ;) |
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PerlNinja |
also: I am under the influence of 2 cans of red bull so if I start wall-of-texting .. sorry :D |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "[EN] Mojolicious-Plugin-Authentication 1.11 by MADCAT - http://frepan.org/~madcat/Mojo[…]hentication-1.11/" --OneTimeCode http://twitter.com/OneTimeCode[…]62266062238003200 |
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marcus |
no worries, I've had 3 beers :p |
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PerlNinja |
ooh |
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PerlNinja |
beer |
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PerlNinja |
still got a couple in the fridge |
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PerlNinja |
4:30am though so a bit... ehr.. early.. or late.. to start |
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marcus |
mmm |
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PerlNinja |
yay twitter content farm |
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marcus |
frepan.org_ |
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marcus |
? |
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* marcus |
has read some slimserver code now, backs away slowly |
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PerlNinja |
ugly? |
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purl |
well, ugly is in the mind of the becuddler |
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marcus |
huge |
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marcus |
it uses anyevent and http::daemon |
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PerlNinja |
o_O |
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* PerlNinja |
backs away even further |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Disqus 1.21 by MADCAT - http://frepan.org/~madcat/Mojo[…]ugin-Disqus-1.21/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]62275597967163392 |
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sri |
damn, i'm running out of tv shows to watch again :/ |
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PerlNinja |
well.. that session thing turned from something semi-simple into something probably horridly over-engineered |
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PerlNinja |
imma sleep on that one |
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marcus |
sri: watching game of thrones, I assume |
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marcus |
sri: tried Chaos? |
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sri |
of course |
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sri |
nope |
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marcus |
CIA thingie |
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sri |
comedy? |
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purl |
it has been said that comedy is when a rabbi, a priest and a monk walk into a bar and the bar tender says, "hey, is this some kind of joke?" |
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sri |
i'd like a new crime or scifi series |
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sri |
but also thinking about starting with weeds, breaking bad or 30 rock |
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marcus |
sri: Breaking bad is awesome |
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marcus |
must see |
| 23:35 |
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sri |
sounds a bit boring |
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marcus |
9.3 on imdb ;) |
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marcus |
with 8k votes |
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marcus |
also, did you see the wire? |
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sri |
nope, i'm not really into those drug dramas |
