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just drugs |
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drugs without drama |
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Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Disqus 1.22 by MADCAT - http://frepan.org/~madcat/Mojo[…]ugin-Disqus-1.22/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]62434254839218177 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Authentication 1.12 by MADCAT - http://frepan.org/~madcat/Mojo[…]hentication-1.12/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]62441309557886976 |
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eugen |
guys, I ran into a problem using Mojolicious::Lite. Can anybody explain the behavior of the grep here: https://gist.github.com/940321 |
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moritz |
eugen: // is the last regex that matched successfully |
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moritz |
eugen: which could be *anything* (like, a regex from the dispatcher) |
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moritz |
eugen: you don't want that. Ever. |
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moritz |
eugen: what do you actually want to achieve? |
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eugen |
my aim was to filter the empty patterns. This is the string from the original code: |
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eugen |
@patterns = uniq grep { "" !~ $_ } map { qr/$i{all}{$_}{$search_criteria}/ } keys %{ $i{all} }; |
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moritz |
eugen: grep length, map { .... } |
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eugen |
it doesn't work inside the mojolicious controller, however it works fine outside the controller :-) |
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moritz |
don't interpret random strings as regexes unless that's really what you want |
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moritz |
in this case it's not what you want |
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eugen |
moritz: Oh I see now: If 'pattern' is an empty string, the last successfully matched regex is used (perlreref) |
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eugen |
moritz: thanks for clarification |
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moritz |
that's really a misfeature in perl |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Authentication 1.13 by MADCAT - http://frepan.org/~madcat/Mojo[…]hentication-1.13/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]62468537364652032 |
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janus |
moin |
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janus |
just had a thought about useragent caching... |
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janus |
as i've dealt with http archives in the past few weeks |
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janus |
that sounds like an interesting way to serialize a whole transaction |
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janus |
using what mojo can do anyways... |
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janus |
as in, serializing transactions in json according to the HAR spec |
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janus |
thoughts? crawling back under my rock in the meanwhile |
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moritz |
janus: try asking a more specific question |
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janus |
how should caching in Mojo::UserAgent look like? :) |
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PerlNinja |
not :D |
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janus |
heh |
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PerlNinja |
dunno, I'd rather have an app handle that part and just use useragent for the fetching and user-agenty stuff |
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PerlNinja |
user-agenty stuff being the transportation of stuff from A to B - and if B happens to be a cache module, that's cool :D |
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PerlNinja |
otherwise UserAgent is going to turn into a swiss army frankensaw ... at least, in my currently hungry opinion |
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janus |
imho it is already given direct dom/json access :) |
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janus |
usually i try not to fire requests all the time when developing something that uses useragent |
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janus |
well, can be a plugin as well... i only don't want to write the same code again and again |
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PerlNinja |
:D |
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PerlNinja |
moar plugins :D |
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diegok |
janus: are you thinking on some kind of mech::cached like for Mojo::UserAgent ? |
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janus |
more like LWP::UserAgent::WithCache |
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elb0w |
pretty funny http://duiker101.tk/hackertyper/ |
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caching has no chance to become a core feature |
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fweee.... catch 22's = headache |
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sri |
janus: btw. dom and json parser are a result of the test focus of Mojo::UserAgent |
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sri |
you just need to be able to reliable extract information for testing |
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sri |
they are not random features added just because we can |
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sri |
pretty much everybody benefits from them |
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sri |
for caching that would surely not be the case |
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PerlNinja |
sri: but it's okay to subclass UserAgent to add the caching behaviour and release that as a plugin, right? :) |
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sri |
sure, i guess |
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PerlNinja |
also that session thing i was yakkin on about yesterday won't work, i just realised this morning that sessions->load is called before any before_dispatch handlers are ran, and those are the places you set up user id and so on for sessions to figure out what to load |
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PerlNinja |
chicken, meet egg |
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PerlNinja |
so taking a different tack, still works, but relies on something being loaded last |
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sri |
https://github.com/blog/843-the-merge-button # wow |
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sri |
this is why github is better than the rest |
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PerlNinja |
:P |
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PerlNinja |
you already proved that point earlier :D |
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PerlNinja |
now hush and let me bask in this merge button awesomeness |
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elb0w |
whats a pull request, if you fork a github project, fix a bug you send a pull request to the main rep and tell them to pull from your repo to patch it? |
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elb0w |
is that the idea? |
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sri |
yes |
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elb0w |
ok cool |
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sri |
and now they can just click a button to apply the patch |
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elb0w |
nice |
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elb0w |
wow really?> |
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elb0w |
225k ruby projects |
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elb0w |
should I just go learn ruby? |
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elb0w |
my god |
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sri |
all ruby projects go there |
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elb0w |
gotta do something to get hype up on perl |
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PerlNinja |
mojolicious is actually doing a decent job on that |
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PerlNinja |
i think :) |
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sri |
we are still the most watched cpan module on github :) |
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sri |
need more watchers and forks though! |
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elb0w |
oh yeah im not watching mojo |
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elb0w |
:o |
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elb0w |
whats link |
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PerlNinja |
elb0w! how could you :( |
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sri |
:O |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo |
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elb0w |
yeah |
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elb0w |
watching now |
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elb0w |
:o |
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sri |
https://github.com/languages # when it comes to actual code javascript wins |
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elb0w |
Should of done a mojolicious security update release on ycombinator |
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elb0w |
sri, you can get a lot of financial interest if you make fix engine |
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elb0w |
plug it into mojo somehow |
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elb0w |
FIX is the protocol all the trading systems communicate with the exchanges |
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elb0w |
Dont know if mojo would be the right thing for that though |
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PerlNinja |
build it on top of mojo maybe :P |
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PerlNinja |
got a protocol spec somewhere? |
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elb0w |
ya |
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elb0w |
http://fixprotocol.org/ |
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sri |
wasn't FIX a rather trivial ascii protocol? |
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elb0w |
has everything |
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elb0w |
its key value pairs |
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elb0w |
its simple |
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elb0w |
Theres nothing in perl |
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elb0w |
the only opensource is quickfixengine.org |
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elb0w |
someone started something in perl awhile back but I think they stopped |
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sri |
tcp and ascii key value protocol? |
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elb0w |
yes |
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sri |
should be very easy with mojolicious |
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elb0w |
Perl is still big on wall st cause of legacy systems |
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elb0w |
would get some looks im sure |
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sri |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F[…]ormation_eXchange |
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elb0w |
yeah http://fixprotocol.org |
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elb0w |
if you make an acct u can dl the pdf |
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elb0w |
that has the entire spec |
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elb0w |
theres different versions. Most use 4.2 |
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elb0w |
I wrote one in C++ |
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elb0w |
just feels like overkill |
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elb0w |
sri, if its something you are interested in I could spread it around the street. I have a lot of dev contacts at firms here in the city |
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elb0w |
otherwise ill probably write it when I go back to school in a couple months |
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sri |
not my area of expertise i'm afraid |
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PerlNinja |
oh jesus |
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PerlNinja |
that format is like |
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PerlNinja |
gack |
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elb0w |
PerlNinja, it was created by bankers |
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elb0w |
not devs |
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sri |
i've seen much worse protocols |
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PerlNinja |
The TAG is a string representation of an integer that indicates the meaning of the field. .... |
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>_< |
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elb0w: I know but ... daaamn |
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PerlNinja |
then again okay, little endian/big endian could cause problems if you just stream binary but even then |
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elb0w |
PerlNinja, http://elbowrage.com/FIX42 |
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PerlNinja |
sri: mmhmm... just looking at that protocol though is like, realising half the banking world is kept together with things like that |
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elb0w |
if you wanted to lookup the protocol easily |
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elb0w |
I wrote that in bash |
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elb0w |
you can just do ./FIX42 43 |
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elb0w |
or any field |
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elb0w |
itll break it down for you |
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elb0w |
or by field name |
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PerlNinja |
yeh I know but it's one of them things that's like |
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PerlNinja |
it's like XML |
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PerlNinja |
but worse |
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PerlNinja |
reminds me of silly old Pascal tricks |
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sri |
http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011[…]dule/detail/19806 # lol, riak gets sql-ish queries |
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PerlNinja |
*snorkl* |
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PerlNinja |
there's exactly 2 FIX parsers on cpan |
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what do they call it? NoNoSQL? |
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PerlNinja |
1 whose whole purpose is split(/\0x01/, $string) .. and one whose documentation is still the boilerplate |
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moritz: NoSQL-ish? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Rather Mojolicious / Mojolicious:: Lite I wonder if a trend is more" (ja) --ikm http://twitter.com/ikm/status/62579399979053057 |
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I have a few questions. I have a very simple app to develop - just a simple web page with a few form fields to fill in. (1) is there a guide on how to use form validation? (2) does mojo come with a web server I can use? (These questions come afer scanning http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/[…]cious/Guides.pod) |
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metaperl: 1) no 2) should be asnwered at the start of the lite tutorial |
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PerlNinja |
jebus christ sigue's got a bad connection |
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sri |
or actually, 2 should be answered by the feature list |
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PerlNinja |
1 is simple: use whatever you want to use for form validation, although I'm not entirely sure how nicely HTML::FormFu plays with Mojolicious |
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PerlNinja |
so.. maybe something else :D (since FF is about where everyone ends up heading) |
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sri |
why shouldn't formfu work with mojolicious? |
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sri |
i've only written the predecessor or formfu, but i'm quite sure it is still based on the CGI param api |
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PerlNinja |
doesn't formfu insist on doing a lot of it's own rendering tho? |
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sri |
i don't see how that's relevant |
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sri |
not like just because you use mojolicious you have to use tag helpers too |
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PerlNinja |
true true |
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PerlNinja |
in that case: 1: HTML::FormFu |
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PerlNinja |
:D |
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PerlNinja |
sri: I got that session thing working as a plugin, but it does delete stuff out of $c->session, but should work out :) |
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PerlNinja |
only requirement is that it's loaded last so it's after_dispatch hook runs last .. (right?) |
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sri |
i have a feeling you're overengineering it |
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PerlNinja |
that was yesterday, today... less engineered |
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metaperl |
Ok, yes I see http://search.cpan.org/~kraih/[…]/Lite.pm#Commands shows how to startup pre-packaged web servers. So that is great. I didnt feel like breaking out apache for a one-page web app |
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sri |
after hooks run in reverse order |
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PerlNinja |
oh.. okay then it needs to be registered first |
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metaperl |
I personally like Data::FormValidator, so when I get to form validation, I just need to learn how to do internal redirects, etc with Mojolicious::Lite ... but I'm sure the docs cover all that |
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PerlNinja |
as far as over engineering, yesterday, sure .. today, meh - all it does is install a before_dispatch hook to nab stuff from database and transport to $c->session, and an after_dispatch that does that in reverse and basically removes everything but the session key from $c->session |
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sri |
that way you get the first before hook and the last after hook |
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sri |
metaperl: we don't do internal redirects |
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most of the engineering is merely in providing the bits for various databases and other storage mechanisms |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 77382e6 (3 files in 3 dirs): reduced WebSocket message size limit - http://bit.ly/fcLImb |
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marcus |
Rather than an internal redirect, would you do a helper, sri? |
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sri |
marcus: helper, bridge, 302... |
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marcus |
Sri: yeah, i meant for shared behaviors like setting some headers. |
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sri |
sounds like a job for helpers |
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marcus |
Can you have per controller helpers? |
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sri |
you can have _ methods |
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marcus |
Sorry, just returning from vacation. |
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sri |
they are hidden too |
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marcus |
mmm |
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sri |
since $self contains everything they should be quite pleasant to use |
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sri |
$self->_header_stuff; sub _header_stuff { my $self = shift; ... } |
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sri |
simple as that |
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sri |
actually a nice recipe for the documentation |
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sri |
oh, yet another new mongodb book |
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PerlNinja |
*mumble* new mongodb drivers would be interesting, books... not so much .. *hint* *cough* :P |
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