Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-04-28

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01:23 perlrocks Twitter: "And the second cloud hosting service for #perl opens. http://t.co/NNOlsT7 #mojolicious #dotcloud" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/63413045505953792
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01:37 k-man off topic question: anyone know of an open source mailing list management app other than phplist?
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01:38 Alias I should write a mailing list handler on top of letmein
01:38 Alias Hell, I should actually RELEASE letmein properly
01:38 Alias ;)
01:38 k-man there is Majordomo - but i'm thinking of a more sort of one way list
01:38 k-man Alias, what is letmein?
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01:46 Alias I wrote a password manager
01:46 Alias It works directly on htaccess files, without the need for any kind of database
01:46 Alias And all logins are email addresses
01:47 Alias So it works with anything that can consume a htaccess file
01:47 Alias I use it to manage svn repository access
01:48 k-man nice
01:48 Alias svn.ali.as
01:48 purl svn.ali.as is probably on a bitemark virtual donated by sheriff
01:48 k-man all the mailing list apps seem to be php based
01:49 Alias http://search.cpan.org/~adamk/​TinyAuth-0.98/lib/TinyAuth.pm
01:49 k-man which, I believe, leads them to be abandoned once they reach the unmaintainability threshhold
01:49 Alias yup
01:50 Alias Mine is designed to be hyper-minimalist
01:50 Alias And easy to maintain
01:50 Alias It's 1000 lines of code, written in 15 minute periods on my train to work
01:50 Alias I figured if the code couldn't be grokked in 15 minutes, it was too complex
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03:18 k-man Alias, cool! :)
03:34 k-man how do I get rid of this message: Mojolicious:22 [18702]: Your secret passphrase needs to be changed!!!
03:35 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldo​c?Mojolicious/Lite#Secret
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03:37 k-man thanks sri
03:39 k-man I don't understand why this only seems to work for one row: http://scsys.co.uk:8002/100018
03:39 k-man can I call $self->render(text =>  more than once?
03:40 sri no
03:40 k-man ah, well mystery solved then
03:40 sri and you should not try that, just use a template
03:41 k-man a template?
03:41 purl a template is the reason or Template Toolkit (http://search.cpan.org/~ab​w/Template-Toolkit-2.15/) or at http://www.template-toolkit.org/ or right I see the h1
03:41 k-man oh...
03:41 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojolicious/Lite
03:41 sri it's all in the documentation
03:47 k-man sri, are you suggesting Mojo::Template? or just templates in general?
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03:54 k-man thats not my primary goal anyway - that was just really to prove I could get data from the db and output it
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04:09 k-man what I want to do is draw simple progress charts - like a daily goal and progress towards that goal
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04:20 GitHub176 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 638973c (1 files in 1 dirs): made tests more portable - http://bit.ly/lBag2j
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04:59 perlrocks Twitter: "My first #mojolicious app is running on #dotcloud, want me to blog about it? :) http://t.co/U9ITLSD #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/63467268683739136
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05:01 GitHub80 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 1fb55b3 (1 files in 1 dirs): better example - http://bit.ly/jAjyWK
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05:05 sri that took like 2 minutes
05:05 sri all you need is a Makefile.PL and a dummy app.psgi
05:06 zakame nice
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05:09 garu awesome
05:09 garu sri: definitely blog about it
05:10 garu how much was it btw?
05:10 sri how much?
05:10 purl One yak per year.
05:10 sri money?
05:10 purl well, money is the root of all aevil.
05:10 * sri kisses purl
05:10 * purl swoons!
05:11 sri beta is free
05:11 garu groove
05:11 garu groovy
05:11 garu I'll sign up right away
05:11 garu maybe work on a new tweetylicious :)
05:20 garu mojolicio.us' favicon looks awfully like dotcloud's - only prettier =)
05:23 garu sri: hmmm... I need a beta login? should I flatter @dot_cloud? :D
05:24 sri no idea how the invite system works
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05:25 garu duh
05:25 * garu missed the huge red button saying "join our beta" in the home page
05:26 sri :)
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05:31 GitHub4 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * a631716 (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed typo - http://bit.ly/lngTzo
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06:39 Christian morning
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07:35 GitHub130 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 078fc07 (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed Windows bug in Mojo::Asset::File - http://bit.ly/k2kkim
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08:44 perlrocks Twitter: "New blog post, #mojolicious in the cloud: hello #dotcloud, enjoy! ;) http://t.co/aMHVEOI #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/63523992094515201
08:44 sri why is it so silent in here today? :O
08:45 Christian most are still sleeping ;)
08:45 Christian the
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08:49 sri or just slacking
08:50 * sri cracks the whip
08:54 marcus hay
08:54 sri HAI
08:54 * yko is slacking
08:54 * marcus is hacking
08:57 marcus on $client mojo app
08:57 marcus next gen version of meetv.no
08:58 sri excuse accepted
08:58 * sri whips yko some more instead
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09:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel (sri): Mojolicious in the cloud: Hello DotCloud! http://bit.ly/k0949r" --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/63534327476137984
09:28 sri \o
09:28 marcus sri:how do I delete a query param from a mojo::url?
09:28 sri o/
09:28 sri \o/
09:28 marcus sri: I tried c.req.url.clone.query(foo=>undef)
09:29 sri don't think there is a simple solution
09:29 marcus foo=>undef made it append a empty foo=
09:29 marcus I thought it would at least would replace the existing foo
09:30 sri wasn't arrayref replace?
09:30 sri actually you should know best!
09:30 sri quite sure you came up with it
09:30 marcus according to the docs arrayref is merge
09:31 marcus hashref is add, just hash is replace
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09:31 marcus not quite sure I came up with this one
09:31 marcus anyways, lunch
09:31 sri you did
09:31 sri i think merge is what you want
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09:51 marcus looks like merge and replace behaves exactly the same
09:51 * marcus tries to make some test cases
09:53 marcus weird, you have tests for this. Maybe it's the undef that throws it.
09:54 sri sounds likely
09:54 sri just send a pull request with a test when you're done
09:54 sri GREEN BUTTON!
09:54 purl green button is really neat
09:54 * sri pats purl
09:54 purl don't mess with me
10:02 stephanj why pull request?
10:03 sri why not?
10:03 stephanj why not patch?
10:03 sri because patches suck
10:04 stephanj do they?
10:04 sri of course, pull requests have countless advantages
10:04 sri they can be discussed, applied with one click...
10:05 sri and preserve history
10:06 sri actually, don't think i will accept patches anymore
10:06 stephanj applied with one click? i was told this feature of github sucks
10:06 sri worked great when i tried it
10:07 sri maybe you should try it yourself
10:07 stephanj the one who told it to me told it after his pull-request-one-clicked broke the repo somehow ;)
10:07 stephanj my repo..
10:08 sri he prolly did it wrong!
10:08 stephanj maybe
10:09 marcus it's been working fine for me
10:10 yko did it wrong => made one click in a wrong way? :)
10:10 marcus yko: you're holding it wrong!
10:10 sri yea, you have to click the button in the middle!
10:11 sri btw. did i mention i'm addicted to tiny wings? :/
10:11 stephanj tiny wings?
10:11 sri http://log.maniacalrage.net/post​/4934647157/fuck-you-tiny-wings
10:12 stephanj it was back in time i used catalyst ;)
10:12 stephanj so long ago
10:14 yko lol
10:15 marcus sri: I'm already over tiny wings.
10:15 marcus sri:what's your high score?
10:15 sri 87914
10:17 sri yours?
10:17 purl rumour has it yours is very straightforward.  there is no way someone could misinterpret that
10:17 marcus 129400
10:18 sri Oo
10:18 marcus I'm like completely stuck now
10:18 marcus score x2
10:18 purl x2 has neutral karma
10:18 marcus x26
10:18 sri x18
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10:19 marcus that's easy ;)
10:20 marcus my objectives now are 'Reach the 8th island, gain 175000 point' '5x: do 1 /> directly after and island jump'
10:20 marcus I'm not even close to those
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11:56 * sri wonders why anyone would use fastcgi over uwsgi
11:57 sri s/use/choose/
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12:04 DaTa because i've never heard about uwsgi until now :)
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12:18 DaTa and it doesn't compile here for some reason
12:26 marcus sri: because it's well tested, well supported, and just works?
13:04 sri sounds boring
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13:17 fish_ wouldn't be a web standard great, for having interlaced images and let the browser only fetch the data it needs to display a image for a giving size? would be great for delivering both 'desktop' and 'mobile'-sized images, for dynamic background images and so on..
13:34 marcus sri: when you have to do system administration yourself, boring is good.
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14:16 perlrocks Twitter: "The next, Mojolicious:: lite, DBIx:: skinny, Template:: Toolkit to fish on." (ja) --mugiwarano_tody http://twitter.com/mugiwarano_​tody/status/63607490935398401
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14:19 marcus http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report​/1df20a2e-82ba-1017-9cf7-02519c592963
14:19 marcus st00pid windows?
14:19 perlrocks Twitter: "Dotcloud looks very interesting for deploying Perl webapps. Gonna try out some mojolicious projects this weekend with them..." --kappataumu http://twitter.com/kappatau​mu/status/63608337329176576
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14:49 perlrocks Twitter: "Small problem with my plans for experimenting with #mojolicious and @dot_cloud this weekend! Signing up does not secure an invite!" --kappataumu http://twitter.com/kappatau​mu/status/63615841543004160
14:58 Christian cu all
14:59 Christian and nice evening to you all
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15:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: hello DotCloud:  http://bit.ly/lOM6qW" --hnfirehose http://twitter.com/hnfireho​se/status/63622948245868544
15:27 metaperl Re: http://search.cpan.org/~bfg/MojoX-​Run-0.15/lib/MojoX/Run.pm#SYNOPSIS  ... if the execution is asynchronous, then why can you check for a $pid from the callback?
15:28 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: hello DotCloud: Comments http://bit.ly/k0949r" --pokkrap http://twitter.com/pokkrap​/status/63625706474717184
15:29 mateu what are some of the advantages of doing a uwsgi_pass with nginx instead of a proxy_pass to a psgi app?
15:30 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: hello DotCloud: http://bit.ly/mtvwA2 Comments: http://bit.ly/iJ9tpv" --HNTweets http://twitter.com/HNTweet​s/status/63626042002251776
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15:32 kvorg hello folks!
15:33 kvorg i just came back from my off-line traveling and the first thing i see is sri's blog post on the top of my reddit page - kewl!
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15:38 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: hello DotCloud: Comments http://digfoc.us/iRS4pA" --BundleOfStartup http://twitter.com/BundleOfSta​rtup/status/63628181789343744
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15:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: hello DotCloud! http://t.co/z8xNEup" --dot_cloud http://twitter.com/dot_clou​d/status/63633034938818560
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17:50 crab hi.
17:51 crab i would appreciate some suggestions on what is not strictly a mojo problem, but which i have to deal with in mojo.
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17:58 crab all of my POST forms are protected by a double-submit CSRF token, which means that the html includes a hidden field with some random value, and a cookie contains the same value. for the POST to work, the two values must match.
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17:58 crab this includes the login form. the problem is, if the user opens the login page and sits there doing nothing, eventually the cookie times out, and the next login attempt fails.
17:59 crab in practice, this isn't much of a problem, but i can't think of any good way to handle it, and that bothers me a little.
18:02 moritz crab: if you really want to do something about it, request a new token by ajax if the form is older than $timeout - 5min
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18:15 crab would you bother?
18:18 moritz no
18:18 moritz unless I get lots of complaints from users
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18:29 crab thanks. i've put it in my notes file, where it can stay until i feel motivated to do something about it.
18:48 metaperl oh never mind, I get it.... the $pid only has the $pid of the *started* process, but it still doesnt make sense that $pid could be bound until the exit callback fires.... I posted my question on perlmonks about this
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18:58 crab what are you talking about?
18:59 stephanj is there some way to run perltidy recursive and without it making backup files?
18:59 metaperl crab I asked a questoin about MojoX::Run earlier this morning. I've posted my query to Perlmonks - http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=901845
19:04 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Redis 0.03 by MEETTYA - http://frepan.org/~meettya/Mo​jolicious-Plugin-Redis-0.03/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/63679999030460416
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19:32 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Bundle 0.003 by SIDD - http://frepan.org/~sidd/Mojo​licious-Plugin-Bundle-0.003/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/63687164357128192
19:33 elb0w theres a redis plugin?
19:33 elb0w for mojo
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19:53 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Bundle 0.004 by SIDD - http://frepan.org/~sidd/Mojo​licious-Plugin-Bundle-0.004/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/63692332100366336
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20:14 yko elb0w: there's even two
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21:49 perlrocks Twitter: "@philiph Have you seen #mojolicious?" --obfuscurity http://twitter.com/obfuscuri​ty/status/63721480722190336
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22:45 PerlNinja \o/
22:45 * PerlNinja loves his 12 hour long power outages especially when they're over
22:59 PerlNinja question: controller consisting of nothing but an autoload function; works or no? :)
23:06 perlrocks Twitter: "@obfuscurity apparently both dancer and mojolicious suffer from horrible keywords. http://use.perl.org/~Alias/journal/40292" --philiph http://twitter.com/philiph​/status/63740860310884352
23:17 perlrocks Twitter: "@philiph That blog post you refer to is from last year, 2010. Lots has changed with #mojolicious since then - it's gotten much better ;)" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/63743765847875584
23:18 perlrocks Twitter: "@philiph Uh, I don't know what the hell that was. But I fully expect that was deprecated long ago. Mojolicious is developed aggressively." --obfuscurity http://twitter.com/obfuscuri​ty/status/63743811834228736
23:19 perlrocks Twitter: "@obfuscurity I type faster :D That and there's a tweet-bot in the IRC channel that shows tweets about Mojolicious ;)" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/63744078327726080
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