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Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: Hello DotCloud! - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://bit.ly/lvcadV" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnews/s[…]63768473561604097 |
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sri |
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tempire |
You have a typo in your dotcloud blog entry |
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tempire |
"maybe i get to write about them next time." |
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tempire |
makes you sound like a foreigner |
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tempire |
without the fancy guitars |
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PerlNinja |
I see no typo there? |
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tempire |
Maybe typo is the wrong word. |
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tempire |
incorrect english |
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tempire |
Maybe I'll get to... |
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tempire |
or "Maybe I will get to..." |
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PerlNinja |
hmm |
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PerlNinja |
I dunno, I'd write it the same actually |
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PerlNinja |
then again I'm an evil european too :D |
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tempire |
You can. But it would be incorrect :) |
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PerlNinja |
probably so, but most native speakers will say it like "maybe i get to <x>" |
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PerlNinja |
maybe i get to go home |
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PerlNinja |
usually americans that do that... >.> |
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PerlNinja |
<.< |
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tempire |
That's a different tense. |
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tempire |
Describing the state of something now. |
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PerlNinja |
maybe i get to go home next time |
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PerlNinja |
meh |
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PerlNinja |
I'm too old to learn new language tricks :P already got 6 of them in my head |
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tempire |
dotcloud support looks great |
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* tempire |
waits for beta account |
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PerlNinja |
it does look pretty damn good actually |
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PerlNinja |
the only thing I'm missing is mongodb |
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PerlNinja |
if they get that going, I think I can get my partner to move our junk there, cos right now we're on a bunch of linodes, price wise it'd end up similar but the whole "no need to wrangle installs" is like... woo |
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crab |
tempire: "maybe i get to write about them next time" is perfectly correct. |
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crab |
yes, it sounds a little odd, but it's fine. |
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crab |
actually, it sounds more than only a little odd. |
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crab |
installing ubuntu from my usb stick made it hot. |
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PerlNinja |
ubuntu is hot... :D |
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tempire |
crab: "maybe I get to" and "next time" are two different tenses. |
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tempire |
You could say them separately |
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tempire |
but together, you need a modifier to make "get" match "next time" |
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sri |
tempire: i has fixed! |
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sri |
and i is foreigner! |
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crab |
tempire: oh, i see. sorry, i didn't understand what it was you were objecting to. you're right. |
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sri |
btw. dotcloud has mongodb in beta |
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crab |
i'm afraid my eyes stopped paying attention after going past "i get to" |
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sri |
in fact, dotcloud has pretty muc every nosql database i beta |
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sri |
they enable it for you after support requests or so |
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sri |
even riak |
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sri |
marcus: those windows test fails have been fixed already |
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sri |
still looking for a volunteer to fix the other issue though |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/127 |
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sri |
that one is a bit random, and only shows up on some platforms |
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sri |
none of my platforms sadly :/ |
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Twitter: "Looks like there are lots of #mojolicious and #perl people waiting for #dotcloud invites, many to try cloud hosting for the very first time." --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/63819254037876738 |
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Twitter: "Tadam! My debut on cpan. http://t.co/yfAKt6F # mojolicious & # redis to all for free:)" (ru) --meettya http://twitter.com/meettya/sta[…]63821448086695936 |
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crab |
can i just make a controller write stuff to stdout? or rather how should i cope with generating, say, a spreadsheet of some sort? |
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sri |
that question needs more context |
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crab |
sri: i want to send an application/xls (or whatever the type is) response, and i have a module that can write the data to stdout. |
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crab |
though, i see now i could make it return a string and use render_data. |
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sri |
don't ever use stdout |
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sri |
it only works for cgi, and even then it totally screws up mojolicious |
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crab |
okie doke. |
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sri |
both stdin and stdout are off limits |
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Christian |
morning |
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marcus |
MORNING |
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crab |
i'm still not quite sure i understand nested routes and waypoints |
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crab |
s/and/and\/or/ |
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sri |
most people don't need waypoints |
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sri |
but some people seem to love them very much |
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marcus |
oh boy |
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crab |
if i have /bids and various /bids/blah, and i do $a = $r->route('/bids')->to... and $a->route('/blah')->to..., it should work as i expect, right? |
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crab |
if $a is instead $r->waypoint('/bids')->to..., then will it be called even for requests to /bids/blah? is that what it means about not being an endpoint? |
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sri |
no |
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crab |
i wish i could remember that example someone here gave of a correct use of a waypoint. |
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sri |
normal nested routes can only match if they are an endpoint |
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sri |
as in the last route in the tree structure |
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sri |
if a route has children it can't match on its own |
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sri |
waypoint is the exception, it allows routes with children to match |
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crab |
so to handle /bids with children /bids/blah, i *need* a waypoint? |
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sri |
ye |
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crab |
but if i made them non-child routes, then it would work fine. ok, now i get it. |
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crab |
i am slowly getting rid of my wildcard routes. |
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crab |
(because they became complex enough and now i never generate 404s any more :-) |
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sri |
client demands more raptors? |
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crab |
they haven't yet. i think they're too nervous to ask me "wtf was that thing?" :-) |
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Christian |
is there an example for children routes? |
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Christian |
not these: http://www.mojolicious.org/per[…]s/Routes#children |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]ing#Nested_Routes |
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Christian |
thx |
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sri |
people seem to have a hard time understanding what endpoint means |
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sri |
maybe i should explain it with children instead |
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Christian |
try it ;) |
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Christian |
i think the explanation to crab was nice |
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Christian |
s/to/for/ |
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GitHub134 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 5d659d1 (1 files in 1 dirs): improved explanations for nested routes and waypoints - http://bit.ly/iAUIiE |
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sri |
hope that's better |
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crab |
yes, it is. |
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sri |
\o/ |
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crab |
i seem to have understood endpoint correctly (i.e. leaf node, not interior node), but misunderstood how they were handled somehow. |
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crab |
not sure it was the documentation's fault, but that change certainly clarifies things. |
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sri |
if an explanation is hard to understand just let me know |
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sri |
btw. still looking for a crazy volunteer |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/issues/127 |
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sri |
http://www.cpantesters.org/dis[…]tml#Mojolicious-1.21 # there are a few more of that fail report here |
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sri |
from what i gathered you need freebsd or windows7 to debug it |
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sri |
but i guess you would have to be really really good to fix that |
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sri |
could be an endianess problem in the websocket generator or so, timing bug in the event loop writer |
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sri |
maybe even related to kernel send buffer size |
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* sri |
needs to learn how to lure volunteers :( |
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crab |
i'd volunteer if i still had a freebsd box |
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sri |
excuses excuses |
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marcus |
I have |
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sri |
marcus: excuses or freebsd? |
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sri: both |
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sri |
:o |
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marcus |
excuse is 'last day at client, deadline looming'. |
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sri |
/o\ |
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sri |
those new 50 page oreilly books are really neat |
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sri |
marcus: btw. finish your article! |
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* sri |
cracks the whip |
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sri |
cool, bson implementation is down to 660 lines now :) |
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crab |
add six more lines |
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sri |
hmm |
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Christian |
do it ;) |
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stephanj |
ye |
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sri |
damn |
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sri |
down to 650 already :S |
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stephanj |
nooooo! |
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crab |
the only thing to do is to remove 608 lines then. |
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stephanj |
add 16 lines then |
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sri |
easier said than done! |
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stephanj |
the add or remove? |
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sri |
both |
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stephanj |
just compress all lines, remove spaces and so on linebreaks till you reach the goal :) |
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stephanj |
make it readable! |
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GitHub62 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 6e71227 (3 files in 3 dirs): updated tests and documentation for the latest home directory detection improvements - http://bit.ly/kvcOtB |
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sri |
please test |
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sri |
hope those still pass on all platforms |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "If I use Mojolicious, Dennou Coil remembered. Yo teletext." (ja) --pascaljp http://twitter.com/pascaljp/st[…]63904947137290240 |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 1f5b62f (1 files in 1 dirs): added external static file test - http://bit.ly/ks8bvK |
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marcus |
Everybody! Everybody in the house of love! |
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marcus |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kav0FEhtLug |
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sri |
that's old! |
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marcus |
this is a new spoof? |
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marcus |
for the royal wedding |
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marcus |
based on the old one |
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sri |
oh, i see |
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sri |
t-mobile stole the idea from the old one |
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marcus |
yepp |
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marcus |
yko was busted? http://torrentfreak.com/police[…]rent-site-110428/ |
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yko |
marcus: that was ukrainian porn torrent |
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marcus |
yko: not yours? ;) |
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yko |
accident happens in my city actually |
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yko |
we all mourn here |
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yko |
not mine unfortunately. or now i'd better say - fortunately |
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yko |
police promises to find and punish al of 2 million torrent users, hehe |
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marcus |
haha |
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yko |
by ukrainian law you can be fined by $600 or prizoned for 5 years for creatind or distributing porn, or so |
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marcus |
they have their work cut out for them then. |
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marcus |
I would prefer the fine then :p |
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marcus |
pretty serious difference |
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yko |
well, i think it's judge's work to make preferences in that cases |
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yko |
and all depends on how much would you pay to judge. that's the way how does ukrainian law works |
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stephanj |
so if you suggest the judge you pay 600 and 400 for him his decission would be clear? |
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yko |
no, you pay to judge via judge's trustees for example about $5K (and trustees will take some %) and maybe judge will make things so you pay 400-600 fine and don't go to the jail |
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stephanj |
k |
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marcus |
good transparent system. |
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marcus |
:) |
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yko |
marcus: i think pronlab just posted some kind of boring content, so ukrainian police got tired of that and decided to close that site :) |
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marcus |
lol |
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ZadYree |
Hello |
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ZadYree |
I got a question: Is it possible to use mojo on windows? |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]Windows_systems3F |
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ZadYree |
ah ty |
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Christian |
nice we to you all |
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metaperl |
So sri what did you not like about PLP - http://search.cpan.org/~shiar/PLP/lib/PLP.pm |
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sri |
metaperl: ? |
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metaperl |
I was just wondering about Mojo::Template compared to PLP since PLP had been around long before Mojo but they are somewhat similar |
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metaperl |
it's just a chatty kinda question - nothing important |
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sri |
well, they are only similar at first sight |
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sri |
Mojo::Template even got forked a few times already, it's that popular :) |
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metaperl |
yeah, I remember. by some japanese guys (forgot their name) |
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sri |
and we are still inventing, don't think anyone else does indented perl lines or begin/end blocks yet |
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sri |
(to mention more end user visible features) |
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metaperl |
yes that was a major drawback of Mason - the Perl line had to be in the first column |
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sri |
i've also experimented with razor syntax, but it's too magical |
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sri |
only really works when you control the ide, like microsoft does |
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metaperl |
i dont like the use of pointy braces though - I think the template syntax should contrast with the HTML syntax. I think square brackets help in that respect ... |
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sri |
i disagree |
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sri |
the best i've seen so far was {{ lalala }} |
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sri |
for expression |
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sri |
and {% lalala %} for code |
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and of course we have Mustache, where there is no code |
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p |
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sri |
nice in theory, painful in practice |
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metaperl |
It's what Google uses - CTemplate... but in a sense they are still programming |
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d |
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mustache only shines when you have client side rendering with server side fallback imo |
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metaperl |
I keep tyring to type emacs commands, but dont realize I'm focused in this channel :) |
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sri |
these days i mostly use indented perl lines anyway |
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it's just gorgeous with proper highlighting |
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:) |
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http://twitpic.com/29y9v5 # brackets don't really matter with proper highlighting though |
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what editor are you using? I use Emacs. |
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sri |
textmate |
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purl |
textmate is an OSX text editor, at http://macromates.com/ or featuring dynamic code folding, "snippets", re-orderable tabs, and smart typing (auto-closing blocks, quoted strings, et cetera.) or the new BBEdit or the editor in all those Rails videos or non-free but quite worth it or notepad for OS X or requires a patch to enter Japanese characters which costs $5 |
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Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Authentication 1.14 by MADCAT - http://frepan.org/~madcat/Mojo[…]hentication-1.14/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]64021601737383936 |
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is it possible use perl pipes with Mojo? i mean i have opened pipe and i want to read from it in async manner, but i dont know properly mojo api to do it |
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sri |
which deployment target? |
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xaka |
do you mean OS? |
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sri |
no |
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cgi, fastcgi, hypnotoad... |
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internal web server |
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xaka |
i dont know which one mojolicius use when i do "perl application.pl daemon" |
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sri |
then you can use the Mojo::IOLoop event loop |
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Mojo::IOLoop->connect(handle => $handle, on_read => sub {...}); |
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sri |
something like that should do |
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ohh, wow. I should try it, thx. Will it close a handle automatically? |
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sri |
huh, why would it do that? |
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when piped command ("ls -l") exits and you dont need a handle anymore, you have to close it |
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for each open you should have close, isn't? |
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sri |
what i mean is... how is it supposed to know that it has to close the connection by itself? |
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sri |
the question made no sense to me |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Wolowitz 1.0.0 by GUGOD - http://frepan.org/~gugod/Mojol[…]n-Wolowitz-1.0.0/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]64113039477186561 |
