Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-05-02

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04:03 k-man I'm testing out this code but it doesn't seem to work as expected: http://showmetheco.de/articles/2010/2/us​ing-jquery-and-ajax-in-mojolicious.html
04:03 k-man it appears to have a virtual file in the code, but when I run it, I get Template "index.html.ep" not found.
04:25 sri k-man: a) don't use vti code b) don't trust examples that are over a year old
04:25 k-man sri, what is vti? the authors name?
04:25 sri yes
04:26 k-man ok
04:26 k-man sri, the other day you said to me I should be using templates
04:26 sri you should be using templates
04:27 k-man can you elaborate a little more? or point me to some examples or doco that explains more?
04:27 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc
04:27 sri it's all there
04:28 k-man sri, ok, thanks
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04:49 GitHub136 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * c98a418 (2 files in 2 dirs): added another opposite test to Test::Mojo - http://bit.ly/jobHsY
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06:07 stephanj sri: why the no vti rule?
06:12 sri because by now he's known to be malicious
06:12 sri he will intentionally sabotage
06:14 k-man really?
06:14 k-man why so?
06:15 sri a person that publishes security vulnerabilities before reporting them is capable of everything
06:16 k-man hmmm
06:17 stephanj k
06:17 stephanj this code piece k-man posted from vti looked actually clean from malicious code
06:17 sri there is a lot more i don't really want to discuss anymore, just be careful with his stuff and always double check
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06:28 sri would really like to release again soon
06:28 sri but need more windows 7 test runs
06:28 sri and possibly freebsd
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06:34 GitHub70 mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * cd4495e (1 files in 1 dirs): release preparation - http://bit.ly/iU1T1B
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06:35 k-man sri, what is involved in doing a win7 test run?
06:35 k-man I run win7
06:35 k-man I could do a test run if you like if its not too involveD?
06:35 sri just a make test run
06:35 sri perl Makefile.PL; make test;
06:36 k-man which version of perl? and get from which repo?
06:36 sri github version
06:36 sri activeperl and strawberry ideally
06:36 sri activeperl is more likely to break
06:36 k-man I have strawberry already installed
06:37 sri then test that
06:37 k-man ok
06:38 sri you can use the github download link if you don't have git
06:39 k-man I seem to have git
06:39 k-man must have installed it a few eons ago
06:42 k-man I don't have make
06:42 k-man hmmm
06:42 sri it's called cmake or so
06:43 k-man nope
06:43 sri nmake
06:43 k-man nope
06:43 sri it is there though ;p
06:43 k-man I have cygwin
06:43 sri just a different name
06:43 k-man can I use it's make?
06:43 sri i guess
06:44 k-man oh, I do have nmake, must not be in the path though
06:44 sri strawberry should come with a make though, it just has a different name
06:45 k-man which pastebin do you prefer?
06:46 k-man http://pastebin.com/VQFrU10E
06:46 k-man I'm using perl v5.12.0
06:47 sri hmm, ok, that's just your make not working
06:47 k-man that was with gmake and nmake
06:47 k-man hmmm...
06:47 k-man gmake from straweberry
06:47 k-man nmake from visual studio
06:48 k-man what about dmake?
06:48 sri sadly i have no idea how it's supposed to be done on windows
06:48 k-man hehe
06:48 k-man oh, I have an idea, there are the unix tools for win32
06:48 k-man maybe there is a make in that
06:50 sri i would expect the one that ships with strawberry perl to work
06:52 k-man weird how it says the error is near line 1
06:52 stephanj k-man: dmake
06:53 k-man ahh
06:53 sri it obviously didn't understand the makefile syntax
06:53 k-man thats the key
06:53 stephanj before you now test every letter infront of make ;)
06:53 k-man stephanj, that was the only one I didn't try
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06:54 k-man sri, what do I do after the test complets?
06:54 sri i'd like a happy smiley
06:54 stephanj look for warnings that should be there and c&pb them
06:54 k-man oh, I like this one: mojo/user_agent.t ........................... skipped: Windows is too fragile
06:54 k-man does it log the output?
06:55 sri just nopaste if a test fails
06:55 sri if all pass that would be perfect
06:55 k-man passed - a few tests were skiped as I don't have those modules
06:55 sri \o/
06:55 k-man I can install and test those too
06:56 sri k-man++
06:56 sri not necessary
06:56 k-man ok
06:56 sri i was mostly wondering about the default cases
06:57 sri t/mojo/asset.t, t/mojo/home.t and t/mojolicious/websocket_lite_app.t were causing most problems in the past
06:57 k-man damn why is the windows terminal so crap - its like 2011 and you still can't drag to widen it
06:57 stephanj its windows!
06:57 stephanj or do you just make your windows larger by draging on the edges?
06:57 sri i guess it's release time
06:58 k-man t/mojolicious/websocket_tls_proxy_lite_app.t .. skipped: IO::Socket::SSL 1.37 re
06:58 sri that one doesn't matter
06:58 k-man ok
06:58 k-man yay! release time
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07:00 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.22 by KRAIH - http://frepan.org/~kraih/Mojolicious-1.22/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/64947399545716736
07:00 k-man yay!
07:04 k-man anyway
07:04 k-man got to go
07:04 k-man night all
07:04 perlrocks Twitter: "Released #mojolicious 1.22 with new test functions and many bug fixes. http://t.co/iNQAbfx #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/64948413170581504
07:05 sri nn
07:05 k-man sri, I'm happy to do tests in win7 any time, just let me know
07:06 k-man night
07:09 stephanj i can test under winxp
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07:14 sri more windows test results are always appreciated
07:15 stephanj i have it at home :)
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07:32 marcus YO HOMIES
07:33 moritz speak for yourself... :-)
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07:38 sri YO YO YO
07:38 * purl walks the dog
07:42 sri marcus: what's your latest tiny wings score?
07:43 * sri is now at 134129 (x24)
08:10 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious:: Lite to do and to reveal the almost http://bit.ly/kGETtK" (ja) --teilnehmen http://twitter.com/teilnehm​en/status/64964908776816640
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09:35 marcus sri: I haven't been playing since last time.
09:35 marcus sri: what's your gamecenter id?
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09:39 sri marcus: kraih
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10:55 perlrocks Twitter: "Catalyst + Xslate I feel I get lost around here Mojolicious know what I 足Rin" (ja) --mandy_44 http://twitter.com/mandy_4​4/status/65006479803039745
11:52 sri yay, broke my tiny wings record again :)
11:53 sri damn, it's silent for a monday :o
11:54 * moritz breaks the silence
11:54 moritz *cling*
11:54 sri *crickets*
11:57 stephanj silence?
11:59 sri http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2xUMiUrCs8
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13:30 sri some windows test runs would be appreciated
13:39 stephanj i will do later today(in 2h)
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13:41 sri thanks
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14:22 ph1g Tidings!
14:23 ph1g I'm in the process of learning mojo (which is pretty friggin sweat, btw) and I've been looking for a feature that exists in some java/groovy frameworks that I like.
14:23 ph1g One in particular is recognizing extensions. I can add detection to my controller, but I wonder if there was a plugin or something builtin to do this automatically.
14:23 ph1g For example "index.json" or "index.yaml" renders the model in the respective format.
14:25 * moritz thought mojolicious did that automatically
14:25 ph1g Pretty sure I can catch this and do it in the controller or in the templates maybe like index.json.epl
14:25 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldo​c?Mojolicious/Lite#Formats
14:26 ph1g sri: I get it, but I was hoping to skip the need for the template - since the model really would never change
14:26 sri then i don't get the question
14:27 ph1g ? Rather than having to create a template for index.json.epl and have do the simple render_json, it would be nice if it could automatically render_json on the model with out having to write the one line for all of my models
14:28 sri return $self->render_json(...) if $self->param('format') eq 'json';?
14:28 ph1g As an argument to the requestion? Rather than an exentions on the end of the url?
14:28 ph1g *request
14:29 sri no, you don't do anything different, it is just there
14:29 ph1g orly.
14:29 ph1g gotcha, i'll play with that.
14:29 ph1g thanks
14:30 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Moj​olicious/Guides/Routing#Formats
14:48 sri oh, the thor movie is getting good reviews
14:49 sri looks like i'll have to go to the cinema
14:51 ph1g hrm, it looks like it was gonna be 50/50
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16:06 sri \o
16:06 sri o/
16:06 sri \o/
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16:19 mateu sri: can you explain/justify what you mean by this statement: "it easily beats most web frameworks that were specifically designed for Plack from the get-go" ?
16:19 sri mateu: context?
16:20 mateu http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicious-and-plack
16:20 sri should have asked me in february
16:20 mateu ha
16:22 sri i'm sure i've a had a few good examples when i wrote that, but now i really don't care enough to come up with new ones
16:23 mateu uh, ok - maybe next time you can backup the claim?
16:23 sri that coming from you is funny
16:23 sri i still remember your arguments for that one micro benchmark
16:24 mateu guess you haven't forgiven me yet if you haven't forgot ;)
16:25 mateu I did provide a reproducible set of steps so one could see for themselves. while your statement has not backing/justification what-so-ever
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16:25 sri Perls biggest problem right now is the cgi mindset, far too many people still refuse to embrace frameworks, you've encouraged them, of course i don't forget that
16:26 mateu I encouraged people not to use framework how so?
16:26 mateu that's a pretty crazy statement.
16:26 sri my opinion, and i'm not going to back it up in any way!
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16:27 mateu no because at bright as you are it's my humble opinion that's sometimes it's just hot-air that you emit.
16:27 mateu if one is going to talk smack then they should be able to back it up.
16:28 sri sometimes i talk total bullshit, that's life
16:28 mateu haha,
16:28 mateu it's just graniose claims without any proof irk me, that's all.
16:28 mateu grandiose*
16:29 sri had you brought that up back then i might have given you a real answer
16:29 sri now i just feel like trolling
16:29 mateu i just discoverd it and Feb 2011 really isnt' that long ago is it?
16:29 * sri opens another cold beer
16:29 sri it's ages in internet time
16:30 mateu gotta a beer you can spare?   :P
16:30 sri no!
16:30 mateu damn it!
16:30 purl Janet!
16:30 mateu I'm thirsty too.
16:31 * sri makes slurpy noises
16:31 ph1g hrm, has anybody made any strides towards making a connector for extjs & mojo?
16:32 ph1g f'n java fiends all over the place, but no perl <3
16:32 sri i'm sure xantus did some stuff for that when he still worked for extjs, not sure if he published anything though
16:33 sri purl: seen xantus
16:33 purl xantus was last seen on #mojo 66 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: $59 vs $35  [Feb 24 21:59:04 2011]
16:33 ph1g joy.
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17:19 perlrocks Twitter: "YAPP # 4: April Perl news http://j.mp/j4PPrs # perl # perl6 # rakudo # podcast # mojolicious # moose # phenona # yapc # devconf # yapp" (ru) --yapp_ru http://twitter.com/yapp_ru​/status/65103155351912448
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18:03 marcus oooh beer
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18:27 sri purl: beer?
18:27 purl beer is fluessiges Brot or the opiate of the working classes
18:27 sri \o/
18:28 * sri opens yet another one
18:28 * marcus has to settle for a folkøl :'(
18:28 marcus 3.5 %
18:28 purl 0.035
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18:33 * tempire is capable of anything
18:44 mateu marcus:  here you go: http://larch.webhop.org:5420/big-sky_IPA.jpg, just save one for sri.
18:51 mateu diegok: quieres una cervecita tambien?  :)
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19:44 * sri only drinks http://www.becks.com/wp-content/u​ploads/2010/04/beer_becks-1.jpeg
19:48 j-v-e becks is good
19:49 j-v-e I looked up the price for a Kasteel at the store the other day, it was $150 for a 24 pack. Only 5 times more expensive than in Belgium :'(
19:49 j-v-e so I ended up with a pack of becks and one of blue moon
20:05 chansen sri: will you be attending NPW?
20:05 sri no
20:05 chansen =(
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20:30 chansen marcus: since sri is too busy attending conferences, how about you and me pay him a visit after NPW when our schedules meet, It about time we meet the author behind Catalyst and Mojo in person and having a few beers? (Germany has a lot of good beer brands, and I would like to try out Wei�bier from a local place from the tap)
20:31 * sri hides
20:32 chansen sri: we will find you, we just ask which local pharmacy that subscribed snake poison ;=P
20:32 sri busted!
20:33 chansen heh ;P
20:33 metaperl does the daemon mode only accept connections as http://localhost:3000 or can I visit the domain name externally and also the port.e.g, http://internet.domain.name:3000/
20:34 sri depends on what you listen
20:34 metaperl i mean by default ./startup.pl daemon --reload
20:34 metaperl and what is "NPW"?
20:34 sri default should be everything
20:34 metaperl oh ok then its my local firewall
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21:08 ph1g metaperl: YOu on linux? netstat -ptan | grep 3000
21:09 ph1g run as root
21:09 ph1g Run netstat as root that is, not mojo
21:09 ph1g if you run mojo as root, they will find you. and do naughty things to your hidden parts.
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21:31 tempire Neuropeptide W (NPW) is an endogenous peptide ligand.
21:31 tempire sri is nothing more than a wandering protein
21:32 tempire marcus & chansen want to bond with him.
21:32 sri :o
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22:55 janus mhm, netstat as root? for what?
22:56 janus if you run netstat as root, you might expose your hidden parts as well.
22:56 janus now i'm fine :)
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