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tempire |
!! |
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1.31 failed to install via cpan on my machine |
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error: http://pastie.org/1887572 mojo ver: http://pastie.org/1887578 |
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tempire |
ack! IO::Socket::SSL 1.42 compile fails too |
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tempire |
the world is broken! |
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Christian |
morning |
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good morning |
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purl |
Lies! |
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crab: 1.42 doesn't install here either, 1.40 does |
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crab |
ok, then both your machines are broken ;-) |
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crab |
(i was just being contrary, i haven't even tried it) |
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marcus |
sri: still behind rakudo on most watched here |
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sri |
marcus: rakudo has more watchers *again* |
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marcus |
guess they rallied some support =) |
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sri |
tempire: IO::Socket::SSL problem |
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sri |
not much we can do about that |
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sri |
also some ssl fails on cpantesters now |
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sri |
tempire: operating system? |
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purl |
operating system is generally only as good as the people who use it. |
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marcus |
PerlNinja: but sequel is faster to say... |
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PerlNinja |
:P |
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sri |
i have no problem with disabling tls tests again though |
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sri |
IO::Socket::SSL breaks so often it's was a risky decision anyway |
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sri |
s/'s// |
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sri |
http://img.imgur.com/yvtdc.png # eeep |
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Twitter: "Damn! # Mojolicious - a colossus with feet of clay Mojo:: Base does not inherit from several parents. 21 in the yard, and I'll monkey-patch" (ru) --meettya http://twitter.com/meettya/sta[…]68239016994160640 |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/pull/142 # any opinions about this pull request? |
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marcus |
I like it |
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looks |
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marcus |
meettya's tweets confuse and confound me |
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crab |
sri: seems ok |
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toebu |
I try to implement a proxy server within my mojolicious app and used http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]s/Plugin/Proxy.pm as a model ... it works, but Mojo is not happy and spews DEPRECATED warnings ... what is the latest word on implementing a proxy ? |
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sri |
i thought marcus updated that already |
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marcus |
I thought so too |
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marcus |
0.3 2011-01-14 12:02:00 |
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marcus |
guess it never reached cpan |
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sri |
:o |
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toebu |
marcus: any other accessible place is fine :) |
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toebu |
https://github.com/marcusrambe[…]ious-Plugin-Proxy |
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toebu |
marcus: thanks |
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marcus |
it doesn't actually fix the warnings tho |
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toebu |
you are still using client |
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marcus |
yeah, will fix it now |
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toebu |
shivers in anticipation |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@ Meettya Multiple inheritance in the XX1 Century? I have a # Mojolicious too many claims, but not in this context." (ru) --vtivti http://twitter.com/vtivti/stat[…]68246198896701440 |
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marcus |
[master c59d0a5] switch to UA |
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toebu |
marcus: what is the purpose of explicitly loading Mojo::UserAgent ? and in the same time NOT loading Mojo::URL ? |
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marcus |
toebu: there's no purpose to it |
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marcus |
[master 2d66a66] Removed useless use |
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POSTing upload for Mojolicious-Plugin-Proxy-0.3.tar.gz |
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Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin 0.3 for Proxy MRAMBERG - http://frepan.org/ ~ mramberg/Mojolicious-Plugin-Proxy-0.3 /" (af) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]68248015273594880 |
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in the log the server notes that it is waiting for a delayed response (which is, I guess due to the async proxy call) should it get some info on the fact that we are working on the it ? |
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toebu: it's just a debug warning, if the response gets served async everything is fine |
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mojo: master Breno G. de Oliveira * a3818e7 (1 files in 1 dirs): noting potential risks when using 5.8 |
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GitHub77 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 3e58bf4 (1 files in 1 dirs): Merge from garu/patch-1 ... |
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GitHub77 |
mojo: master commits b6c497f...3e58bf4 - http://bit.ly/kcCWng |
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sri |
green-button++ |
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crab |
"but... but... it should only display the warning if the response isn't going to be rendered later!" |
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sri |
? |
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crab |
sri: just kidding. |
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sri |
you forgot the smiley and the sarcasm tag! |
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GitHub14 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * bb45f6f (5 files in 3 dirs): disable TLS tests by default, because IO::Socket::SSL is broken most of the time - http://bit.ly/iKiphU |
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sri |
tempire: that should take care of the failed install ;p |
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sri |
was very naive to enable them by default anyway |
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crab |
well, there's an IO::Socket::SSL 1.43, works for me |
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sri |
for me too, gonna bump the version requirement again |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 56d17b1 (6 files in 4 dirs): updated IO::Socket::SSL requirement to 1.43 due to bugs in older versions - http://bit.ly/iguC5j |
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sri |
i'm sure there will be complaints too ;p |
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GitHub34 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 3889e29 (1 files in 1 dirs): cleanup - http://bit.ly/ittuoz |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "TLS support is causing trouble in #mojolicious again, taking some more drastic measures now. http://t.co/57Pm76z http://t.co/Wzmy2dY #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/68272175035072512 |
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sri |
it's kind of ironic |
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sri |
most problems are still caused by 3rd party modules, and yet we have a bad reputation for not using enough |
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sri, and if you use that to argue the point that not using 3rd party modules = good idea, then you get told that "well you can always just patch the 3rd party module or just include it in your own distribution" :P I'm going to give up trying to argue that point with people I think, too many of them just don't want to see past that big lead plate in front of their heads |
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sri |
fracking idealists |
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crab |
less idealing, more stabbing. |
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crab |
that's what we need. |
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crab |
when i first decided to use mojo, i liked that it didn't have any external dependencies. later, i felt for a while that it *should* use some other modules for some things. but i grew out of it, and now i'm back to being happy. |
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sri |
yea, i guess it takes some time |
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crab |
the only module i might still consider using is AnyEvent, for two reasons: (a) compatibility with other anyevent-using things, and (b) because it's such a pain to debug event loop problems on different platforms etc. |
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crab |
but the more time passes and the more stable mojo's ioloop becomes, the less reason there is to care |
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crab |
i should look at that anyevent wrapper thingy sometime. i'd so like to be able to use AnyEvent::XMPP from my mojo apps. |
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sri |
just start by running event loops parallel |
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crab |
hmm. wonder how to go about that. |
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toebu |
crab: to cut down on debug messages it would be cool if the server would somehow take note of the fact that I told the controler 'render_later' |
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sri |
toebu: the log message comes from a lower level atm. which has no concept of rendering |
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crab |
toebu: yes, i agree with you |
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GitHub146 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 56f8a16 (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed render_later to prevent delayed rendering warning - http://bit.ly/k5th3M |
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sri |
there ya go |
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sri |
not like anyone would expect conveninece log messages on the Mojo layer anyway :) |
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toebu |
thanks! |
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sri |
yw |
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crab |
man, sri, you're such an oppressive and unyielding dictator! :-) |
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* sri |
cracks the whip |
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sri |
don't you dare harm my bad reputation |
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toebu |
another question ... I am writing this app where some of the content is coming in via proxy (see above) the proxy should NOT just ship out whatever it is asked for, each url should be 'authenticated' the way I intend to implemnt this, is to prepend a hash value to each url I am happy for the client to request ... the hash would be build from the current user, the mojo secret and the actual url ... in that way the proxy can easily figure if it |
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toebu |
should heed the request or not .... or am I missing an obvious solution ? |
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sri |
you lost me after "question" |
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toebu |
grin |
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crab |
your app has a proxy that clients query directly? but you want it to access only certain urls? |
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toebu |
yes ... /proxy/(:hash)/(*path) returns the content of http://other.host/$path if $hash computes |
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crab |
seems fine |
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toebu |
I even would like to replace some of the response contenten with more authenticated urls using Mojo::DOM ... |
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crab |
makes sense |
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purl |
makes sense is, like, http://xrl.us/bjq3kq |
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toebu |
trying to replace href values in $res -> https://gist.github.com/966382 the sub gets called but the action seems to have no effect ... |
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garu |
sri: thanks for acceppting the patch =) |
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garu |
since you beat me to writing that other one, I had to add *something* =P |
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sri |
garu++ |
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sri |
aww, no 5.14 today |
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sri |
guess i'll release mojolicious 1.32 later |
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GitHub145 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * eeb88fb (1 files in 1 dirs): release preparations - http://bit.ly/kZxJJk |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.32 by KRAIH - http://frepan.org/~kraih/Mojolicious-1.32/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]68306946234658816 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Released #mojolicious 1.32 with 5121 unit tests that should pass pretty much everywhere now. :) http://t.co/s7kSbkJ #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/68307311164276737 |
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PerlNinja |
sri++, other contributors++, mojolicious++ :D rawr. upgrade time |
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sri |
\o/ |
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sri |
heh, if i unwatch rakudo we would pass it again ;p |
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PerlNinja |
do eeet |
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sri |
naah, that's not how we roll |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Though I think of the purpose Mojolicious anxious to use it" (ja) --transpher http://twitter.com/transpher/s[…]68318291906674688 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@kraih does #mojolicious actually need TLS? Can't that be a job for a reverse proxy like nginx?" --hovenko http://twitter.com/hovenko/sta[…]68319816053817344 |
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stephan48 |
urgs... |
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stephan48 |
and whats with the client? or if you just want to deploy a mojo based deamon to securely present some infos? |
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sri |
yea, user agent needs it |
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sri |
server side support is mostly for testing and quick hacks |
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stephan48 |
ye |
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stephan48 |
but still... please keep it |
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sri |
don't worry, it's going nowhere |
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sri |
considering how many webapp apis depend on https, a pure http user agent would be quite useless |
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stephan48 |
ye |
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toebu |
any hints on how to use Mojo::DOM for modifying node attributes ? my attemts with find('a[href]')->each(sub{shift->attrs({href=>'x'})}); don't seem to succeed at least to_xml does not reflect any changes |
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sri |
the pod renderer does it very successfully |
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sri |
attrs takes a hashref? |
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toebu |
my $values = ref $_[0] ? $_[0] : {@_}; |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@hovenko When we say #mojolicious is a "web framework", we really mean it. :) http://t.co/oaAkcqL" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/68322422247522305 |
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toebu: code seems fine then |
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toebu |
I found the problem ... |
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toebu |
I was assuming that I could do $res->dom->find()->each(); and see the result in $res->dom ... |
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sri |
ah |
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sri |
use the return value of each() |
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toebu |
ok ... |
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toebu |
my $new_dom = $res->dom('a[href]')->each(...);$res->body($new_dom->to_xml); |
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toebu |
$res->body($res->dom('a[href]')->each(...)->to_xml); |
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tempire |
sri: leopard |
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sri |
tempire: i see, had a similar fail on cpantesters |
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sri |
tests are deactivated now though |
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tempire |
dernit |
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tempire |
io::socket::ssl 1.43 still fails |
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* tempire |
is sad |
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sri |
fails to install? |
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tempire |
yeah |
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sri |
:( |
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crab |
tempire: what is the problem? |
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tempire |
t/nonblock.t in io::socket::ssl |
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tempire |
strange, though. sometimes tests pass. |
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sri |
interesting |
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sri |
i bet it is related to our test fails |
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tempire |
nonblock.t passes with prove |
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tempire |
fails with make test |
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tempire |
oO |
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hassath |
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sri |
marcus: x28! :D |
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metaperl |
I am age 42 today |
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metaperl |
what does "x28!" mean? |
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sri |
tiny wings level |
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sri |
we were both stuck at x26 |
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metaperl |
oh. I left the iphone for android. |
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tempire |
today, I have abandoned the corporate world. |
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* tempire |
waves goodbye |
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tempire |
jobs are for suckers |
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* tempire |
waits for mojo odm |
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metaperl |
tempire i notice you are in tampa |
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metaperl |
I'm in Fort Lauderdale |
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metaperl |
I once worked in Ybor City |
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metaperl |
for utekcorp.com |
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crab |
tempire: odm? |
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purl |
odm is interesting. |
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tempire |
object document model |
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tempire |
orm for document stores |
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tempire |
key/value stores |
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tempire |
etc |
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metaperl |
purl odm is object document model, orm for document stores |
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purl |
...but odm is interesting.... |
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* tempire |
kisses perl |
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tempire |
doh |
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* tempire |
kisses purl |
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* purl |
swoons! |
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crab |
tempire: you quit your job? |
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tempire |
yep |
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sri |
tempire: actually it's object document mapper |
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tempire |
er |
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tempire |
yeah, that's what I meant |
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alnewkirk |
hi friends, take a moment please - http://poll.fm/2zzid |
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crab |
alnewkirk: is that a mouse on your head in the picture? |
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crab |
well, assuming it's a picture of you |
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alnewkirk |
no :) |
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alnewkirk |
no sunglasses |
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tempire |
who's going to yapc::na? |
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purl |
See "going to YAPC::NA $year" |
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tempire |
me! |
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* tempire |
dances |
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sri |
crab: https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]ious-and-anyevent |
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sri |
that should make experimenting a lot easier |
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sri |
and updated to work with hypnotoad :) |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Connecting the native #mojolicious event loop with AnyEvent is really simple, here's a recipe. :) http://t.co/WJ5uzCP #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/68413099153170433 |
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metaperl |
./start.pl daemon --reload is hanging our server upon bootup ... is there a more standard way of backgrounding a server I want to start upon bootup other than putting an ampersand at the end? |
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sri |
umm |
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sri |
you should not be using the development server in production |
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sri |
standard would be hypnotoad |
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yko |
metaperl: i don't think --reload is related to backgrounding |
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sri |
yea, and --reload is very very very bad |
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yko |
sir: don't remove that option please :D |
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sri |
(for that use case) |
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yko |
yeah |
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yko |
metaperl: i'm usually use start-stop scripts for that purposes |
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sri |
and what yko said |
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yko |
so your app behaves just as system service and everything goes ok |
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yko |
there was project related to init scripts generation by nuclon: http://search.cpan.org/~nuclon[…]-InitScript-0.03/ |
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sri |
wow, that's very very outdated |
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yko |
very |
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sri |
someone should just post some init scripts on the wiki *hint hint* |
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metaperl |
sri - the mojo server is serving an app that will have one use at a time, with about 8 total uses per day |
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metaperl |
i know nothing about hypnotoad |
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sri |
ok, then the server doesn't matter much |
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sri |
your only problem is init scripts then |
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metaperl |
I just followed Mojolicious::Tutorial and got what I needed |
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yko |
metaperl: target system? |
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yko |
OS i mean |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]ookbook#Hypnotoad # that would be hypnotoad |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/Server/Hypnotoad |
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tempire |
bah |
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tempire |
This is all the documentation you'll ever need: http://r33b.net/ |
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sri |
!!! |
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yko |
ahaha |
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sri |
i don't think.... ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD! |
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roman |
Hello, I am just starting with Mojolicious::Lite, I am getting a little stuck, I have created a bunch of routes using get. I would like to (in catalyst speak) 'forward' to another action, I saw redirect_to() which seems to work, but it does by generating a 302 and has the browser make another GET. Is there a mechanism for forwarding to another action within an application without doing a 302? |
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sri |
roman: hi, nope |
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roman |
sri: ok, that has answered that question for me :) |
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sri |
imo internal forwarding encourages bad design |
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sri |
with mojolicious i wanted to encourage clean RESTful applications instead |
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roman |
sri: I think I agree with you. I just need to change my thought process a little bit |
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moritz |
that's one thing I don't like about Mojolicious: it tries to imposition a certain style on its users |
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moritz |
tools should be things that allow me to do what I want, even if what I want is "bad" |
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sri |
well, you could build your own internal forwarding if you really really wanted |
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yko |
moritz: i don't think sri thinks so :D |
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sri |
we just don't encourage it out of the box |
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moritz |
sri: I know; and I don't complain about that particular missing feature |
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moritz |
sri: it's more about the attitude in general |
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sri |
mojolicious is opinionated software, that is true, and very intended :) |
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miyagawa |
i prefer opinionated software |
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metaperl |
yko - the mojo app runs on both windows and linux |
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miyagawa |
rather than one-size fits all software with 100s of configuration options |
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yko |
metaperl: that's makes things harder |
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yko |
s/'s// # how do you speak that language?! -_- |
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moritz |
miyagawa: I love cpanm, and I don't get the impression that it's "opinionated" - it doesn't try to discourage me from installing certain modules, for example. |
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moritz |
it just does what it can to install them |
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miyagawa |
it is opinionated - it didn't support Bundle:: until very recently |
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miyagawa |
it didn't support installing from local mirror until a few months ago |
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miyagawa |
because i thought i didn't need it |
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moritz |
to me that sounds more like priorities and less like opinions |
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miyagawa |
many people liked an option to set for the cache size |
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moritz |
but maybe I'm making up a fine distinction just to defend my point :-) |
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miyagawa |
yeah :) |
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sri |
moritz: have you tried catalyst? |
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moritz |
sri: yes |
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sri |
it is the opposite of mojolicious |
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moritz |
it makes you understand too many concepts before you can get any useful work done with it |
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sri |
exactly |
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metaperl |
"""it makes you understand too many concepts before you can get any useful work done with it""" - that is the honest-to-god truth .... Args(0) Chained , etc |
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metaperl |
the routing of modules to packages |
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metaperl |
all sorts of magic |
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moritz |
and it makes you manipulate too many packages in too many files for a beginner to grok |
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metaperl |
but there is one good thing. Perl has very few web frameworks... compare with Python where a new one pops up every week or two |
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moritz |
I don't know if the lesson is that a less opinionated framework can't be as easy to use |
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metaperl |
there are only 2 or 3 contenders in Perl |
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* moritz |
counts 3.5 |
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tempire |
continuity, catalyst, mojolicious, dancer, titanium |
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sri |
that's the lesson |
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miyagawa |
only 2 or 3 web frameworks in perl? can hardly say that |
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moritz |
sri: I'm still not convinced that it has to be that way |
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sri |
there are many you just never heard of |
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moritz |
sri: but maybe it's just because I've never tried to write one :-) |
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tempire |
moritz: that's an opinion. you should write a framework. |
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tempire |
;) |
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sri |
the japanese guys make a new one every other week :) |
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miyagawa |
i encourage people to write a new framework |
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miyagawa |
:) |
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miyagawa |
because there are many building blocks out there |
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sri |
everybody should try it at least once |
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moritz |
tempire: I never felt the urge to write a web frame work. Which is quite odd, because I felt the urge to write nearly everything else myself :-) |
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tempire |
I'm going to try my hand at it. After I master lisp and erlang. |
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moritz |
(OS, compiler, programming language, browser, ...) |
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tempire |
and then I will reprogram sri using concurrent programming structures |
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sri |
template engines are also a great experience |
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tempire |
and then, the world. |
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purl |
then, the world is the mollusc of pdcawley's choice. |
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sri |
\o/ |
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* sri |
wants to be implemented with actors |
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moritz |
sri: I've written on of those, actually |
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moritz |
(template engine, that is) |
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tempire |
I like weblocks view on template engines. |
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moritz |
or more accurately a static website generator, which kinda needed some sort of minimalistic template thingy |
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tempire |
it treats html & javascript as a serialized output format |
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tempire |
and any customization is to be done with css |
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miyagawa |
Real perl programmers should have written (or at least attempted to write) one web framework, template engine and ORM. |
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tempire |
in vim. |
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miyagawa |
oh, and an accessor generator. |
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yko |
in perl! |
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yko |
i don't really think writing web framework in vim is a good idea |
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* tempire |
sets yko on fire |
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metaperl |
lol |
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tempire |
as we were saying |
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* yko |
suddenly remember that he should update mojo.vim somehow |
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tempire |
yko: you should include auto-complete support for mojo objects |
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yko |
actually i already did that :p |
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yko |
just didn't push |
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tempire |
well git on it |
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nuba |
heh, my *first* perl app was a CMS which sucked a lot, back then it seemed rolling my own stuff was a smart move. i was young, and dumb. not young anymore. but still dump :D |
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nuba |
"i was young and needed the money" <- that led me to perl ;) |
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metaperl |
I was in grad school analyzing data in Perl when a recruiter emailed me, offering a job doing the same things I was doing for 1200/month for 1200/week... |
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* metaperl |
looks into websockets |
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sri |
http://mdv.googlecode.com/svn/[…]design_intro.html # oh my, google is working on some fun stuff |
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metaperl |
it looks like an attempt to turn CTemplate into a standard |
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sri |
ye |
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metaperl |
Google should throw in the towel on that. JQuery rules |
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yko |
tempire: https://github.com/yko/mojo.vim |
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yko |
any ideas about new snippets or improvements of existing are highly welcome |
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yko |
as well as patches |
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metaperl |
M-x shell-command RET rm -rf mojo.vim |
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yko |
hmm. looks like nice improvement but i think it puts too much in dependencies |
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yko |
btw, does emacs word has any epl-syntax highlights yet? |
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metaperl |
emacs _word_ ... I dont know what that is. epl i guess Is 'embperl' ? |
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yko |
yes, sorry. i was thinking about my own. world for sure. and .ep or Embedded Perl or syntax provided by Mojolicious::Plugin::EpRenderer |
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metaperl_ |
oh I see. no, I dont know if there is such a mode |
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metaperl_ |
well time to head off to the world of Zen Meditation |
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tempire |
autocomplete! |
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purl |
rumour has it autocomplete is league with stimp's devil spunk yogurt or dangerous in the hands of a drunk idiot |
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tempire |
yko+++ |
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tempire |
hmm |
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tempire |
yko: do snippets not work with mlite? |
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