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ok, so wtf |
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where do i put the FastCgiIpcDir directive? |
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VirtualHost ... no, Directory .. no, ... ? um |
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sounds painful. |
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A HOI |
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yko |
tempire: no, they don't. i don't see way how to load epl snippets into perl filetype at the moment |
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but if you find good not too hackish way just let me know |
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marcus |
YO HO HO AND A BOTTLE OF RUM! |
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memowe |
Whoops. Typo. |
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O HAI |
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ouch |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 61c3a79 (3 files in 3 dirs): improved documentation for Mojo::DOM collections - http://bit.ly/k0R8GV |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 6e39351 (1 files in 1 dirs): fixed typo - http://bit.ly/ll7gAb |
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yko |
sri: what meaning has pair_separator in Mojo::Parameters? Looks like it's not used anywhere |
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sri |
yko: just look where it is used ;p |
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yko |
maybe it's better to interpret as separator '&' or ';' but not both that characters? |
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moritz |
$self->pair_separator(';') if $string =~ /\;/ && $string !~ /\&/; |
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yko |
i think pair_separator supposed to be used here -> https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]arameters.pm#L111 |
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yko |
but it doesn't |
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sri |
no it's not |
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sri |
it works as intended |
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sri |
as far as i can see |
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yko |
"/?foo=bar;baz&x=2" => "/?foo=bar&baz=&x=2" |
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yko |
is this behavior intended? |
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sri |
yes |
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yko |
ah. than ok |
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sri |
feel free to dive into the specs and come up with a better solution though |
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yko |
by the way, could you tell me where & and ; specified? just wanna read that |
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yko |
it's just looks not very logically |
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sri |
good luck finding those specs ;p |
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yko |
ok |
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yko |
searched already, but didn't found |
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sri |
afraid i don't remember |
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yko |
ok, np |
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sri |
somewhere in the old w3c drafts or early url rfcs maybe |
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sri |
finding specs for urlencoded and multipart formdata is just as horrible |
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elb0w |
oh really you can use ; opposed to &? |
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moritz |
CGI.pm supports it, for example |
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moritz |
I find it convenient because you have to escape & in URLs in xhtml |
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moritz |
but not all server software supports it |
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yko |
ok. i did some searches before talking to you. and did after. all what i found on this topic was that both '&' and ';' are 'reserved' in query component and one interesting thing |
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yko |
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-[…]mpersands-in-uris recommends to use ';' in place of '&' |
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yko |
i'd rather interpret that as tr/&/;/ |
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sri |
i actually don't think there is a "proper" way to support both, just recommendations here and there |
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sri |
the pair separator argument is prolly rather useless as long as we parse both |
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sri |
since there is no proper roundtrip integrity anyway |
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sri |
make sure to check out the old url rfcs though |
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yko |
and if you look one more time into M::Parameters you may found that it actually doesn't affect anything |
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yko |
sure. i'm working on it |
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sri |
those that came before uri... back in the early 90s or so |
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sri |
yko: that's not true |
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sri |
https://github.com/kraih/mojo/[…]arameters.pm#L215 |
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sri |
how is that affecting nothing? |
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yko |
damn... right you are. i was blind |
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* sri |
pokes yko in the eye |
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* yko |
sparkles with another one |
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yko |
actually all what i want is client doesn't doesn't change passed url |
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yko |
when you pass one url and client requesting server with another one its not very good |
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sri |
you want the param module to not touch ";"? |
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yko |
i want url to be exactly the same on input and on output |
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sri |
don't think the specs allow that |
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yko |
there could be some workarround with serving undefined values of parameters but not sure you would like it |
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yko |
spec? what spec? show me one? :) |
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yko |
jsut kidding |
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sri |
the one you quoted earlier for example ;p |
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yko |
it defines query string as something that should be analyzed by the service. there's few characters reserved as subdelims. and few words that semicolon is better to use in place of ampersand |
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yko |
and nothing more. that's the spec :p |
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sri |
http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]l-query-separator |
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sri |
good discussion about the topic |
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yko |
i don't see answers there. only problems :p |
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well, there aren't any one-size-fits-all answers |
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if the discussion gave answers where there are none, it wouldn't be good :-) |
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sri |
there is no easy answer ;p |
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yko |
interpreting '/?1;2&x=2' with Mojo::URL i'd say that my original url is damaged |
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sri |
yko: or repaired ;p |
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sri |
i would say your original url was broken |
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sri |
it's a reserved character after all |
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yko |
that makes sense much more :) |
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in fact, even if 1;2 was interpreted as a value it would not survive spec compliant escaping |
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sri |
perl -Mojo -E'say Mojo::Parameters->new(qw/la la foo b;ar/)' |
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la=la&foo=b%3Bar |
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yko |
ok, i wrote a lot in notepad but dont think it worth pasing, hehe. just last remark about this discussion, i think we both don't want to continue |
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yko |
/?foo=1;2;3;4&bar=baz '&' could delimit pairs, '=' could delimit key/values and ';' could delimit array elements and should not be escaped |
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sri |
yko: are you refering to any existing spec or are you just loud thinking? |
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yko |
ok... i lean on http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986 i you don't mind |
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yko |
It defines reserved characters "!" "$" "&" "'" "(" ")" "*" "+" "," ";" "=" as a part of query on page 49 |
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yko |
2.2. Reserved Characters of same spec explains nature of reserved characters: |
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yko |
URIs include components and subcomponents that are delimited by characters in the "reserved" set |
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sri |
relying on a spec from 2005 is not very realistic ;p |
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yko |
and 2.4. "When to Encode or Decode" tells that components and subcomponents of uri should be parsed and separated before decoding |
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yko |
well at least i think you can not find any spec that allows you to replace one separator character with another within query string |
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doesn't follow |
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yko |
that's current behavior, we started with it |
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yko |
but you know, i think we bothjsut should go and have some beer |
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sri |
i don't know what you're refering to |
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yko |
perl -MMojo::URL -e 'print Mojo::URL->new("/?foo=1;2&bar=3")' |
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sri |
seems like a sensible result |
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yko |
; is replaced with & but & already present in query string and it separates different level of values |
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sri |
your query string is invalid in the first place |
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sri |
really, i don't see your point |
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sri |
your problem is that an invalid query string gets turned into a valid one without dieing? |
| 14:21 |
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yko |
which part of query is invalid and which part of which spec is voilated? |
| 14:24 |
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sri |
quite sure you quoted it yourself |
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sri |
maybe this should be discussed in a github issue or the on the mailing list (or both) |
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sri |
s/the// |
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sri |
issue if you already have a solution in mind |
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yko: suppose your proposal is to remove ";" support entirely? |
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yko |
i don't seek for solutions until there's problem. since you don't consider this as problem i don't like to spent time on finding solution |
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sri |
yko: well, convincing me that there's a problem is your job ;p |
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yko |
looks like i failed |
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sri |
i think a mailing list discussion could help with that |
| 14:35 |
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sri |
well, i don't think there is a problem because there is no right or wrong in this case |
| 14:35 |
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sri |
we either support ";" as a separator, or we don't |
| 14:35 |
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sri |
for me it's just a strategic decision at this point |
| 14:36 |
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sri |
i would very much welcome a third solution if there was one and discuss it |
| 14:36 |
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yko |
maybe. i think i should dig more specs and formulate my question better |
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sri |
sounds good |
| 14:37 |
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yko |
it's really not a problem atm, i found solution for myself. |
| 14:37 |
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yko |
i just don't like way to find one day that i can not send query string formatted exactly as i need |
| 14:38 |
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sri |
i wonder of pair_separator is even tested |
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sri |
yea, it's even tested |
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moritz |
yko: don't wonder, embrace the power of ack instead |
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sri |
yko: URI does the same btw |
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sri |
perl -MURI -MURI::QueryParam -MData::Dumper -E'say Dumper([URI->new("/?foo=1;2&bar=3")->query_param])' |
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sri |
it considers 2 a key without value |
| 14:49 |
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sri |
python version too |
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stephan48 |
sri: is ; in RFC?# |
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sri |
as reserved character |
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stephan48 |
i mean as query param seperator? |
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sri |
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-[…]ix/notes.html#h-B.2.2 |
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sri |
w3c recommends it |
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stephan48 |
k |
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sri |
i think in the rfcs it is an unused reserved character |
| 14:55 |
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sri |
it seems like a very bad idea to remove support for it |
| 14:56 |
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sri |
at least from the parser |
| 14:56 |
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sri |
generating that kinda query string seems much less important |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious in the cloud: Hello DotCloud! - Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web http://icio.us/ABktsw" (ja) --mix3 http://twitter.com/mix3/status/68694544052523008 |
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sri |
hmm, been playing with sending log messages to Test::More::diag() when running in the test harness... but the result is rather disappointing |
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sri |
yko: while i'm quite sure the param parser is fine, there is something else you could do |
| 17:36 |
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yko |
there always a lot |
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hands sri the whip |
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yko |
but please continue |
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sri |
the query string is by definition an arbitrary string, not necessarily a chain of key/value pairs |
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sri |
currently we don't have good support for the arbitrary string form |
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sri |
one could for example store the raw string by default, and only parse on demand |
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sri |
keeping the original query string as is |
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yko |
yeah, first they put you into deep dark pit, then they deny all your arguments and telling you are wrong. and then they tell you what to do and swinging with the whip... |
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yko |
sri: makes sense |
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purl |
somebody said makes sense was http://xrl.us/bjq3kq |
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marty |
and then finally, the alligator pit. :p |
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sri |
wait... |
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sri |
yko is out of the alligator pit? |
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yko |
i've got keys |
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sri |
:o |
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yko |
and made few backdoors |
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yko |
i had a lot of time :p |
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marty |
<in my best Gollum voice> yko has been sneeeeking. :) |
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sri |
there might even be performance benefits with that solution |
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sri |
of course there's some work behind it, spec checking, making sure things don't get slower... |
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sri |
yko: in case you're still interested |
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yko |
i had problem. i solved it in another way :p |
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yko |
but well, i'm interested |
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cracks the whip |
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sri |
:) |
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miyagawa |
sri: PSGI server seems to return $status=undef |
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miyagawa |
when an inline template is not found in Mojolicious::Lite |
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miyagawa |
is it a bug or is my code wrong |
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miyagawa |
:) |
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sri |
if nothing is rendered it assumes delayed rendering by default, dunno how that plays out for the psgi binding |
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miyagawa |
it just breaks the PSGI protocol |
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miyagawa |
headers and body is set, just status is undef |
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miyagawa |
should be 404 i think.. |
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i see |
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should be the same for cgi i guess |
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sri |
fastcgi too i guess |
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sri |
gonna default to 404 |
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nods |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 100caab (4 files in 2 dirs): fixed all blocking server bindings to default to a 404 status code - http://bit.ly/krN7ve |
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that should do the trick |
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I'm dealing with some legacy code and that code is going to print the html to STDOUT for one of my requests. Is there a nice way to deal with that or should I capture STDOUT and then send it as text to the render method? |
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I would definitely capture STDOUT and then send it as text to the render method. |
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Twitter: "11.20.25 Mojolicious Multiple Vulnerabilities - http://tinyurl.com/3mw5trg, #itsecurity" --itsectoday http://twitter.com/itsectoday/[…]68762582575628288 |
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ouch |
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sri |
ancient history |
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sri |
but it's funny how we are now on everybodys radar |
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mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * c7a687f (4 files in 4 dirs): updated jQuery to version 1.6.1 - http://bit.ly/mNaOX6 |
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sri |
http://www.sproutcore.com/ # damn that's cool, click on the carousel |
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metaperl |
the whole sproutcore page is greyed out when I visit it |
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metaperl |
ok refresh and it's up |
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metaperl |
sri wher eis the carousel? |
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If I use open to capture STDOUT, how do I close that? guess its more of a Perl question instead of Mojo ... |
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karamorf - these are Perl subs that print to STDOUT? |
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metaperl |
maybe use IO::Stringy so that STDOUT goes to a variable |
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karamorf |
actually it works fine if I use IO::Capture::Stdout ... I was just curious about using open like that |
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karamorf |
oh, to asnwer your question: yes these are just some subs that print to stdout. |
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metaperl |
ok, cool |
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tempire |
lulz |
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tempire |
http://search.cpan.org/~tels/D[…]b/Dev/Bollocks.pm |
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