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gbacon |
what's the preferred form generator with mojo, or do people mostly crank them out with templates? |
| 00:38 |
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sri |
think so |
| 00:39 |
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gbacon |
sri: templates, you mean? |
| 00:39 |
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sri |
ye |
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gbacon |
I have a bunch of YAML files that will drive page/form creation (lessons followed by quizzes). can I depend on $PWD being the directory that contains app.psgi to get to these assets? |
| 01:24 |
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gbacon |
i.e., does mojo normalize the current working directory? |
| 01:25 |
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sri |
just use $self->app->home |
| 01:26 |
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sri |
there are even helpers to generate portable paths |
| 01:26 |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mojo/Home |
| 01:27 |
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gbacon |
is this a reasonable approach--generating content from assets in private files? it feels like a klunky approach |
| 01:28 |
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sri |
then use something you like more :) |
| 01:30 |
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gbacon |
I'm still learning, so I don't yet trust my taste. I'm open to suggestions, though! |
| 01:30 |
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sri |
then it depends on your priorities |
| 01:38 |
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tempire |
I've never seen any sane form generation in any procedural language. |
| 01:40 |
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tempire |
but as long as you separate the yaml->form generation from the controller, there's no inherent problem with what you're doing. |
| 01:42 |
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tempire |
I always end up doing templates in the long run, though. with wrapping layouts. |
| 01:42 |
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tempire |
easier to debug problems |
| 01:43 |
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gbacon |
where should the code to do the transformation live if not in the controller? |
| 01:43 |
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tempire |
a separate application layer |
| 01:43 |
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gbacon |
such as an admin action? |
| 01:44 |
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gbacon |
e.g., admin#generate_lessons? |
| 01:44 |
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tempire |
I'd use another class |
| 01:44 |
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tempire |
package MyFormThing |
| 01:44 |
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tempire |
Then call it within the controller |
| 01:45 |
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gbacon |
is template processing fast enough that I shouldn't worry about doing it afresh each time, or should I memoize the result in my persistence layer (which happens to be redis)? |
| 01:46 |
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tempire |
I wouldn't even bother worrying about performance |
| 01:46 |
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tempire |
that's not your biggest problem |
| 01:46 |
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tempire |
worry about performance after you have something to measure against |
| 01:46 |
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tempire |
just make it easy to understand, extend, and debug |
| 01:47 |
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tempire |
otherwise you're just guessing |
| 01:48 |
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gbacon |
(premature optimization)-- |
| 01:49 |
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gbacon |
thanks for your helpful advice. I appreciate you taking time to answer my questions so thoroughly |
| 01:49 |
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tempire |
I am but a humble bot |
| 01:50 |
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gbacon |
@botsnack then |
| 01:50 |
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purl |
thanks gbacon :) |
| 01:51 |
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tempire |
NOM |
| 02:31 |
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marty |
errg. MongoDB uses query operators prefixed with a "$". Makes it a little tricky to pass them around in Mojo. |
| 02:57 |
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sri |
think i'll support flags like -gt -ne and so on in my version |
| 02:59 |
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sri |
actually i think you can even configure it in the official driver |
| 03:13 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "The error was out like this. fatal: 'mojolicious' does not appear to be a git repository fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" (ja) --purasiibo http://twitter.com/purasiibo/s[…]74312383325151232 |
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Twitter: "I Mojolicious chan! http://bit.ly/kOz9Ke # websocket_study" (ja) --choplin http://twitter.com/choplin/sta[…]74364010664955904 |
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* marcus |
ponders implementing ics as a template using the mojolicious renderer |
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crab |
what's ics? |
| 12:23 |
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purl |
ics is, like, super. or iChat Status, a tool to put stuff in my iChat Status line |
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marcus |
crab: text/calendar |
| 14:21 |
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* crab |
ponders pgbouncer |
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marcus |
crab: to throw out drunk queries? |
| 14:35 |
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crab |
hah |
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zakame |
hi |
| 15:50 |
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crab |
hi |
| 15:50 |
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purl |
what's up, crab. |
| 15:51 |
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crab |
shut up, purl. |
| 15:51 |
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purl |
Yes, sir. |
| 15:53 |
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sri |
purl: lies |
| 15:53 |
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purl |
http://ninjapants.org/files/LIES!!!.jpg |
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marcus |
sup sri |
| 15:55 |
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sri |
the sun |
| 15:56 |
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* marcus |
is looking at crab's shiny framework. |
| 15:56 |
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crab |
it's called a "carapace" |
| 15:56 |
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crab |
;) |
| 15:56 |
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sri |
shiny |
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* crab |
roars grumpily |
| 17:04 |
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sugar |
how to process static files with mojo? |
| 17:04 |
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sugar |
create dir att root of app called "data"? |
| 17:04 |
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crab |
not data, public |
| 17:04 |
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sugar |
thanx |
| 17:04 |
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sugar |
i forgot |
| 17:05 |
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sri |
it's documented |
| 17:05 |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc?Mo[…]Lite#Static_Files |
| 17:06 |
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sugar |
i forgot where it's documented =) |
| 17:06 |
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* sri |
bonks sugar on the noggin |
| 17:07 |
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sugar |
i want to write mojolicious cheatsheet because i'm forgetful =) |
| 17:07 |
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marcus |
sugar: but you keep forgetting to do it? |
| 17:08 |
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sri |
:) |
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crab |
i'm using net::ftp to talk to a windows ftp server. i feel so old-skool |
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marcus |
more like 'lame' |
| 17:11 |
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marcus |
:p |
| 17:11 |
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crab |
that's not nice. |
| 17:11 |
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marcus |
worst ftp server ever </comic book guy> |
| 17:12 |
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crab |
i sentence you to the BAD DOG BOX! |
| 17:12 |
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marcus |
it makes glftpd seem great! |
| 17:12 |
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marcus |
crab: I sentence you to the ALLIGATOR PIT! |
| 17:12 |
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marcus |
:) |
| 17:12 |
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crab |
is glftpd bad? i've never heard of it |
| 17:13 |
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| 17:13 |
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crab |
i use something called pure-ftpd when i need to offer ftp. |
| 17:13 |
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marcus |
glftpd was the most popular ftp daemon used for private warez sites |
| 17:14 |
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marcus |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glftpd |
| 17:14 |
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marcus |
it was pretty shitty. |
| 17:26 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Task 46363 for sisyphus by crux DONE perl-Mojolicious.git=1.34-alt1 http://bit.ly/lPj9k4" --girar_builder http://twitter.com/girar_build[…]74527037473292288 |
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crab |
does the google translate api being deprecated mean even the english tweets will stop making sense? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "People are poison to OSS. Dan Thomas pretty much guaranteed I won't be using Mojolicious, ever. Software is made of people. Consume wisely." --jshirley http://twitter.com/jshirley/st[…]74542267972595712 |
| 18:28 |
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sugar |
what does it mean? |
| 18:35 |
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sri |
i think he doesn't like Dan Thomas, but Dan Thomas likes mojolicious, or something like that |
| 18:36 |
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sugar |
thanx |
| 18:36 |
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crab |
who's dan thomas? |
| 18:36 |
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* sri |
shrugs |
| 18:40 |
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sugar |
does it planned to add 'model' layer to mojoliclious? |
| 18:40 |
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sri |
not to the core framework |
| 18:40 |
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sugar |
plugin? |
| 18:40 |
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purl |
plugin is totally not a better way :) |
| 18:40 |
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sri |
ye |
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sugar |
what kind of orm it will be? |
| 18:41 |
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sugar |
rose or dbix? or something another? |
| 18:43 |
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sri |
my version will be mongodb only |
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sugar |
ok, thx |
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sri |
wow, a mid sized rails app loads 2200 files during startup :o |
| 18:50 |
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sri |
lol... under ruby 1.9.3 that takes 46 seconds |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Toto 0.03 by BDUGGAN - http://frepan.org/~bduggan/Moj[…]Plugin-Toto-0.03/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]74572502776557568 |
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sri |
http://www.michielovertoom.com[…]/pastebin-abused/ # lol, who will be the first to scrape those with a mojolicious oneliner? |
| 20:50 |
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sri |
wonder if using the beautifulsoup solution for attributes would be more convenient |
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sri |
hmm, or maybe not |
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sri |
print $dom->at('a[href]')->{href}; |
| 20:54 |
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sri |
autoload magic could be kinda neat too |
| 20:54 |
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sri |
print $dom->a->{href}; |
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sri |
:) |
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sri |
that's actually very possible to do |
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sri |
suppose if autoload was limited only to children of the current node, it wouldn't be too crazy |
| 21:02 |
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chansen |
go for it =) |
| 21:04 |
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sri |
print $dom->parse('<a><b foo="bar">baz</b></a>')->a->b->text; |
| 21:04 |
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sri |
i'm not sure ;p |
| 21:04 |
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sri |
print $dom->parse('<a><b foo="bar">baz</b></a>')->a->b->{foo}; |
| 21:05 |
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sri |
maybe it would be fun to be able to do that |
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marcus |
I like it. |
| 21:06 |
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chansen |
hard to say, might be a bit of to much "magic" |
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sri |
yea |
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chansen |
marcus: where will you stay during NPW? |
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GitHub37 |
mojo: master Audrey Tang * 30f8156 (1 files in 1 dirs): * Only fetch from %$env for the keys that actually matches /^HTTP_/i; ... |
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GitHub37 |
mojo: master Sebastian Riedel * 4125872 (1 files in 1 dirs): Merge from audreyt/master ... |
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GitHub37 |
mojo: master commits 2cf59ac...4125872 - http://bit.ly/kw0OyB |
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marcus |
aha, Dan Thomas is a blog commenter. http://blogs.perl.org/users/sa[…]t-you-hooked.html |
| 21:16 |
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sri |
don't think i've ever seen the name |
| 21:17 |
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sri |
then again, i know very few real names |
| 21:18 |
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marcus |
sri: guess you are now responsible for everyone on the internets who like Mojolicious =) |
| 21:19 |
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chansen |
who can claim they invented before and after hooks? |
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marcus |
dan thomas, I suppose |
| 21:19 |
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sri |
think i even told the dancer folks they should go with hooks since it was a huge success for us |
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marcus |
http://search.cpan.org/~dan/ maybe |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@jshirley Haven't seen him around the internets. Don't think he's involved in Mojolicious development." --marcusramberg http://twitter.com/marcusrambe[…]74585891636658176 |
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sri |
doubt anyone can claim to have invented hooks :) |
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chansen |
marcus: are you scared that I will book the same hotel as you? |
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chansen |
I will haunt you and get you wasted, but what did you expect? ;P |
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marcus |
chansen: no. I very highly doubt you will :) I was planning to slum it and stay at http://www.rutochragnars.se/ |
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marcus |
but getting wasted and not falling asleep under a bush is an option as well. |
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marcus |
atm I'm busy finding somewhere to stay for next weekend in amsterdam :p |
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chansen |
I didn't know about that place =) |
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chansen |
How did you find it? |
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marcus |
google'd malmö hostel |
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chansen |
ok, why not Hilton, it's central and has good service (and good beer =)? |
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marcus |
chansen: seems like a fairly central location. |
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chansen |
it's central |
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chansen |
Ihttp://www.hotellformule1.se/info.asp?id=8 (is known for their cheap price in Malmoe) |
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chansen |
err, <http://www.hotellformule1.se/info.asp?id=8> |
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marcus |
chansen: yeah, that seems reasonable |
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marcus |
half the price of hilton :) |
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chansen |
true, but less service |
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marcus |
(http://www.hotellformule1.se/info.asp?id=8 |
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marcus |
guess you're going for the queen junior suite? ;) |
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marcus |
well, I'll only be staying one night, and I just need somewhere to crash |
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marcus |
I'll probably be at the conference all day, and out drinking in the evening =) |
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marcus |
so I don't care as long as the bedding is clean and there are no cockroaches |
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chansen |
We could share a room at Hilton if you want |
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marcus |
sure, that would work for me |
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marcus |
the great getaway twin room, 810? |
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marcus |
or even twin deluxe |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Thinking about some new Mojo::DOM features, could be a little too much magic, thoughts? http://t.co/m6DXGXt #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/74589922798993408 |
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chansen |
marcus: will you stay between 18th-19th? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@marcusramberg Maybe someone who is involved should tell him to quit making the Mojolicious group look like assclowns :)" --jshirley http://twitter.com/jshirley/st[…]74590265070985216 |
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marcus |
chansen: yeah, landing in cph 08:15 |
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marcus |
on saturday morning |
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chansen |
do you want a suite or a room? |
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chansen |
https://secure.hilton.com/en/h[…]y=SEK&rateIndex=0 |
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chansen |
2,220.00 SEK |
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marcus |
yeah. That's a double bed + single bed. 57m2 ;) |
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chansen |
cool, I'll take care of the arrangements and payments on monday |
| 21:44 |
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chansen |
Actually, I intend to book it know |
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marcus |
chansen: ok. Do you want me to transfer money to you now, or will it do to pay you back when we get there? |
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chansen |
marcus: it can wait until we meet, it's booked in my name |
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chansen |
marcus: https://files.me.com/christian.hansen/3v8rt7 |
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marcus |
chansen: cool beans! I really hope they schedule my talk for saturday :p |
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chansen |
=) |
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chansen |
marcus: whats your email? |
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marcus |
chansen: marcus.ramberg gmail.com , or marcusnordaaker.com for work related |
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marcus |
chansen: a couple of the norwegian perl hackers are coming by boat to the event :) |
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chansen |
I have forwarded the reservation to your gmail.com account |
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marcus |
I got it, thanks |
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chansen |
cool =) |
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marcus |
chansen: http://code.foo.no/2011/05/11/im-on-a-perl-boat |
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chansen |
nice, lets have a small party in our suite for them =) |
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chansen |
sri: why not join us? |
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sri |
i know i know :( |
| 22:04 |
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chansen |
do it! do it! =) |
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sri |
that doesn't look like a viking boat btw. |
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marcus |
sri: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T_Ja[…]creation_ever.jpg |
| 22:05 |
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sri |
lol |
| 22:05 |
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chansen |
marcus: we can get a Deluxe Suite, 60m�/645sq.ft for 700+ SEK ;P |
| 22:07 |
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marcus |
chansen: you're thinking the queen junior suite is a bit on the small side? ;) |
| 22:07 |
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marcus |
chansen: if sri comes, we can upgrade :p |
| 22:07 |
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chansen |
heh, I agree =) |
| 22:08 |
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chansen |
sri: what are you waiting for? |
| 22:16 |
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chansen |
sri: haven't you ran out of excuses to not attend? |
| 22:16 |
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chansen |
marcus say I had |
| 22:18 |
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* marcus |
grabs another beer from the fridge |
| 22:20 |
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* chansen |
chansen just grabbed a Kaltenberg |
| 22:21 |
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marcus |
I got a Rallar Amber Ale. |
| 22:22 |
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chansen |
Never tasted tasted that, where is it from? |
| 22:23 |
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marcus |
norway - http://www.flamsbrygga.no/bryggeri/ |
| 22:24 |
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marcus |
it's quite good tho |
| 22:25 |
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chansen |
cool, please bring one, it's not available on our "systembolag" |
| 22:27 |
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marcus |
I would, if it weren't for the damn airport security |
| 22:27 |
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marcus |
stupid fluid restrictions |
| 22:28 |
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chansen |
oh, you traveling with only hand luggage? |
| 22:29 |
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chansen |
same restrictions here in sweden =( |
| 22:30 |
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garu |
sri: fwiw, I like the direct access to attributes |
| 22:31 |
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garu |
but I'm not sure about the autoload access |
| 22:32 |
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marcus |
yeah, I avoid checking luggage when I can. |
| 22:32 |
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marcus |
chansen: systembolaget has nøgne ø tho, that is a pretty good norwegian beer brand as well |
| 22:32 |
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marcus |
chansen: http://www.systembolaget.se/So[…]%3dvarugrupp%252c |
| 22:33 |
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chansen |
mm, nice, I'll have to try it |
| 22:35 |
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* chansen |
that was a long uri ;P |
| 22:35 |
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marcus |
yeah, sucky cms |
| 22:36 |
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chansen |
Java or C# developers, what do you expect? ;P |
| 22:36 |
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marcus |
seems they maintain my search in the url so that they can provide a 'back to search' link |
| 22:36 |
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marcus |
because why would you use the back button, right? |
| 22:38 |
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chansen |
Seems right |
| 22:39 |
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chansen |
sri: poof? |
| 22:39 |
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purl |
rumour has it poof is old school,.. reform.pm is where its all |
| 22:40 |
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sri |
actually i'm playing with Mojo::DOM magic ;p |
| 22:40 |
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chansen |
sri: would your mind change if you received some "sponsor chip" |
| 22:41 |
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sri |
it's really fracking convenient :S |
| 22:41 |
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sri |
chansen: nope |
| 22:41 |
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chansen |
sri: ffs get your as over here!!!! |
| 22:42 |
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chansen |
=) |
| 22:42 |
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chansen |
I know you want to meet marcus and perhaps me ;P |
| 22:43 |
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sri |
i do |
| 22:44 |
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chansen |
I'll invade your country when you least expect it (probably during a october festival ;) |
| 22:45 |
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sri |
think the first perl conference i'll attend will be under a fake name ;p |
| 22:45 |
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chansen |
sri: it's not to late marcus and I could upgrade to a premium suite if you decide to come =) |
| 22:46 |
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marcus |
sri: it would be pretty safe to start with nordic perl workshop with me and chansen attending :) |
| 22:46 |
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marcus |
only mellow vikings come there anyways. |
| 22:46 |
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chansen |
true =) |
| 22:49 |
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tempire |
sri, you should go. |
| 22:49 |
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tempire |
you could wear a disguise |
| 22:49 |
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tempire |
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/w[…]ender-150x150.jpg |
| 22:49 |
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marcus |
tempire++ |
| 22:49 |
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sri |
NEED! |
| 22:51 |
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chansen |
sri: think of what could happen if you, me and marcus met IRL, we could conquer the world ;P |
| 22:52 |
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marcus |
if only we could decide how to divide it... |
| 22:52 |
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marcus |
;) |
| 22:52 |
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chansen |
heh |
| 22:55 |
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tempire |
I like the Mojo::DOM magic |
| 22:55 |
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tempire |
though I don't know that it's necessary |
| 22:55 |
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tempire |
the jquery syntax is known & expected |
| 22:55 |
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tempire |
what would it select, the first one? |
| 22:57 |
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sri |
which one do you mean? |
| 22:57 |
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sri |
oh ->a? |
| 22:57 |
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sri |
yes, the first one |
| 22:57 |
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purl |
the first one is probably gone |
| 22:58 |
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sri |
->a->[0]->b would also be an option |
| 22:59 |
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sri |
non existing child would trigger the usual "Can't locate object method "a" via "Mojo::DOM" at t/mojo/dom.t line 26" |
| 22:59 |
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sri |
just like perl would throw it |
| 22:59 |
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tempire |
the a->[0]->b is neat |
| 23:00 |
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sri |
a->b if there's only one |
| 23:00 |
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marcus |
nice! iA writer available for the mac now |
| 23:00 |
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marcus |
http://osx.iusethis.com/app/iawriter love it on ipad |
| 23:05 |
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sri |
hmm, implementation was actually very easy |
| 23:05 |
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sri |
i have it all |
| 23:08 |
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sri |
damn, this is conveninent :S |
| 23:21 |
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tempire |
hmm |
| 23:21 |
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tempire |
the t |
| 23:21 |
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tempire |
the tree structure of m::dom is perfect |
| 23:21 |
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tempire |
so a->[-4]->b would work as well |
| 23:23 |
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sri |
maybe it is not too much magic, considering that it only finds actual children |
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