Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-06-23

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00:28 xantus[] did anyone else get spammed by Host1Plus? (german cloud provider)
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01:49 * crab grills xantus slowly
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02:43 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Toto 0.04 by BDUGGAN - http://metacpan.org/release/BDUGG​AN/Mojolicious-Plugin-Toto-0.04/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/83726858427957249
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04:09 sri eeeep
04:10 * sri sets xantus[] on fire
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05:32 xantus[] my hair!
05:44 perlrocks Twitter: "@marsvoltard Can't say yet. Django has an amazing tutorial. I haven't spent as much time with Mojolicious yet. It seems smaller." --hiremebcimsmart http://twitter.com/hiremebcims​mart/status/83772429738049536
05:45 perlrocks Twitter: "@marsvoltard Mojolicious says it's aiming to modernise CGI.pm. http://su.pr/9qtn9p Your question is mine too so I'll update you later." --hiremebcimsmart http://twitter.com/hiremebcims​mart/status/83772750262579200
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06:40 sri marcus: btw. clients => 1 in hypnotoad will not just scale worse, it also costs you 100-200 rps in a micro benchmark
06:41 sri for a super micro benchmark it drops from 1800 to 1400 rps
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06:47 sri quite sure we have the fastest pure perl http server with hypnotoad
06:47 toebu yesterday I was working on a new mojo project and misstyped the name of a sub ->to('Graph#chartx') ...  the result was that mojo complained about a non existing page ... but no other errors were shown in the log it said Dispatching Wst21::Graph->chartx and eventually a Not Found ...
06:48 sri it's a feature
06:48 toebu it would have helped me a lot if mojo had told that there was no chartx method in the Wst21::Graph package
06:48 sri templates without actions
06:48 toebu hmmm
06:49 toebu being a passionate legastenic this will get me countlestimes
06:50 toebu ... except there was no template available ... so why only complain about the missing template and not about the missing action code ?
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06:53 sri would make sense i suppose
06:53 toebu beam
06:55 crab "legastenic"?
06:59 marcus sri: can the i18n plugin load .po files?
06:59 sri marcus: no
06:59 marcus ok :/
07:00 sri .po file support is not in core afair
07:00 sri i think you can load them with an additional module in your lexicon classes though
07:01 sri but that's really maketext stuff i know nothing about
07:01 marcus right
07:01 marcus we probably have to make our own plugin then.
07:01 sri the plugin allows a lot of customization
07:01 marcus ok, will look into it
07:01 sri i think you can just use your own lexicon base class or so
07:02 sri make sure to turn it into a wiki recipe once you're done! :)
07:03 sri of course patches to make it better are welcome
07:03 marcus sure
07:03 marcus we'll work it out
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07:08 GitHub95 [mojo/master] added debug log message for missing action to router - Sebastian Riedel
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07:08 sri toebu: there you go
07:09 marcus sri: good change!
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07:37 toebu thanks!
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08:21 MisterHatt anyone have an idea on why cpanm and other perl binaries arent in the path in osx, and how to get them in there?
08:22 * sri uses perlbrew
08:23 MisterHatt hmm, any idea without perlbrew?
08:23 MisterHatt trying t not add any complicating things on top of what's already there, my boss decided he wants to code and is making me help setup his laptop
08:23 sri i would never mess with the system perl
08:23 MisterHatt it's that bad?
08:24 sri much worse
08:24 MisterHatt orz
08:24 MisterHatt got any links on setting it up on osx then?
08:24 moritz messing with the system perl is always bad, even if the system perl isn't messed up
08:25 moritz the App::perlbrew documentation has notes on installing it
08:25 MisterHatt ah awesome, thanks
08:26 sri yea, i don't touch the system perl anywhere anymore
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08:27 moritz if you install a module that needs a new version of a core module than what you have installed, you're in trouble when you use the system perl
08:27 MisterHatt strange, I guess :apple:
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08:27 MisterHatt well this only needs mojo, dancer, dbi, and module::build I guess
08:27 moritz ... now.
08:27 MisterHatt aha yeah
08:28 sri you can't compile xs modules for the system perl atm i think
08:28 MisterHatt wow
08:28 sri xcode4 broke it
08:28 sri seriously, that happens all the time, just don't touch it
08:30 MisterHatt hmm, wondering how to uninstall the cpanm and dependant modules that got installed now
08:30 MisterHatt may as well keep the system clean
08:31 crab ...or may as well not bother.
08:32 crab (i.e. leave it as it is and just use perlbrew for everything)
08:32 MisterHatt hmm, not seeing anything coherent on osx?
08:32 MisterHatt on the perldoc page for perlbrew that is
08:33 moritz MisterHatt: why do you think osx needs special-casing?
08:34 MisterHatt as I have no idea how to use it?
08:34 sri it's mostly just a unix with bsd flavor
08:34 * moritz can't follow that logic
08:35 MisterHatt I see
08:36 crab hmm, coherent
08:36 purl i think coherent is still in use?
08:36 crab i wonder if it's still in use, despite what purl says.
08:37 * moritz uses coherent detectors at work
08:37 crab what do they do?
08:37 MisterHatt ah what, installed it but it's not in path o.O
08:38 moritz detect the phase of light, at 40Gbaud/s
08:38 moritz MisterHatt: then maybe you need to adjust the PATH
08:38 MisterHatt so it seems
08:40 crab moritz: wow. that sounds impressive, even though i don't know what it actually involves.
08:41 crab are you a physicist?
08:41 moritz crab: yes
08:42 moritz crab: and it sounds much more impressive than it actually is - it's just a craft like any other that can be studied and learned
08:43 crab so you're saying that i, too, can realise my dream of becoming a coherent detector?
08:43 moritz crab: yes, but probably not at the same speed as the semiconductors
08:43 crab :-)
09:00 sri perlbrew self-upgrade is neat
09:01 sri even has perlbrew install-cpanm now
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09:07 sri xantus[]: btw. yes i got spammed too
09:14 sri hmm, think i'll switch to FF5 for a bit
09:21 crab downgrade from aurora?
09:22 sri using nughtly builds as main browser is not such a good idea
09:22 sri s/u/i/
09:23 moritz naughty builds? :-)
09:23 AmeliePoulain =)
09:25 sri :)
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09:36 moritz FUCK
09:37 moritz I found a website that does the same as I'm doing now
09:37 moritz launched 2005, with 1 mio signed-up users, 8 employees
09:38 moritz only positive thing is: it took me quite long to find them, so their SEO must suck :-)
09:40 yko or your google-fu :)
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10:03 xantus[] oh man this went very well
10:03 xantus[] I took jslinux and put it in an extjs 4 web desktop
10:03 marcus xantus[]: sicko!
10:04 xantus[] used a key manager and isolated active window to the serial input
10:04 xantus[] so you can have multiple open
10:04 xantus[] then I isolated the code so it would run in a web worker
10:04 xantus[] and I post the serial data across the webworker events
10:05 xantus[] then I tied the clipboard into a type of fifo
10:05 xantus[] directed into a websocket
10:06 xantus[] so /dev/clipboard will be my network comms conduit
10:06 xantus[] ;P
10:06 xantus[] want to see?
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10:11 xantus[] marcus: :)
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10:22 marcus yes!
10:22 marcus show us
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10:53 xantus[] http://xant.us/desktop/
10:54 xantus[] use Chrome if it doesn't work
10:54 xantus[] I'll worry about non chrome tomorrow
10:54 xantus[] gnight
11:06 perlrocks Twitter: "Server is available now in development morbo Mojolicious - Introduction to Perl with sample code (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/AWCwjHH # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/83853418606768128
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11:15 * sri wonders if yko is optimizing Mojo::Server::PSGI
11:16 yko nope :)
11:16 sri aww
11:16 sri :(
11:16 yko hehe
11:16 sri it could use some love and maybe a few more features
11:16 yko actually i'm playing with scary stuff in C/perlembed land
11:16 sri eww
11:18 yko to optimize something I should gain enough exp with it
11:18 yko i'm newbie with PSGI and friends, so it's early to talk about some love
11:18 yko a lot of pain goes first
11:19 sri i'm sure you'll grok it in no time
11:20 yko psgi spec?
11:20 sri ye
11:20 yko or embedding it in C ? :)
11:20 yko there's few complicated moments, like passing filehandle-like objects arround
11:21 sri yea, xs is bit more tricky
11:21 yko for sure, I can create XS package that implements read(), seek() and friends
11:22 yko but I since I'm there i want to gain some perlio-layers exp too
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12:54 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: / Mojolicious reference describing the various routes Lite - Getting Started with Perl with the sample code (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/7f50JDl" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/83880551974567936
12:55 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: Lite carious route petterns (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/7f50JDl" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/83880803733483520
12:56 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: Lite various route pattern (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/7f50JDl" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/83881069631385601
12:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: / Mojolicious reference describing the various routes Lite - Getting Started with Perl with the sample code (@ perlcodesample) http://t.co/7f50JDl # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/83881337798410241
12:57 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: Lite various route patterns (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/7f50JDl # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/83881439392841729
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13:40 perlrocks Twitter: "perlcodesample: Mojolicious:: / Mojolicious http://bit.ly/mwXiSm reference describing the various routes Lite" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/83892279634432000
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15:12 sri http://mike.kaply.com/2011/06/23/u​nderstanding-the-corporate-impact/ # funny
15:12 sri the holy major version number
15:13 sri ultimately all browsers will have to follow chrome and do big changes continuously
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15:31 perlrocks Twitter: "1.46 Mojolicious http://ow.ly/1dpkWF" (sw) --campuscodi http://twitter.com/campusco​di/status/83920160079085568
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17:28 marty Has anyone written a plugin to recursively read configuration files at startup?
17:28 marty Is something like that needed? or am I missing an easier way?
17:30 marty I've got a LOT of application configuration options at startup and I'm trying to keep them organized and easy to keep track of.  My plan is to store them in a directory hierarchy and then load them via json_config plugin at startup.
17:36 sri sounds overly complicated
17:37 sri i would use a perl config file with multiple groups of options
17:37 elb0w no you wouldnt sri
17:37 elb0w dont lie
17:37 elb0w im sick of your lies
17:38 elb0w I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE
17:38 sri I WOULD!
17:38 * elb0w is patiently waiting on his raptor tee
17:38 elb0w Get workin on the decal yet?
17:39 elb0w sri: can you take php and somehow shape it like a toilet, and make the perl raptor sitting on it reading a paper thats HN
17:39 sri spreadshirt us doesn't have them atm
17:39 elb0w i would totally pay top dollar for that
17:39 sri only eu
17:40 elb0w And for god sakes, give the raptor a top hat and a cane
17:41 sri monocle!
17:42 elb0w as long as it poops on php
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18:03 perlrocks Twitter: "koorchik's Perl blog: Run Mojolicious / PSGI application: a mini-test performance. http://ff.im/GrYfJ" (ru) --planetperlru http://twitter.com/planetper​lru/status/83958365297971200
18:06 xantus[] marty: yes, I have, sorta
18:07 xantus[] you can hack this into something usable for yourself
18:07 xantus[] https://github.com/xantus/comet-desk​top/blob/master/plugins/multi-config​/Mojolicious/Plugin/MultiConfig.pm
18:07 xantus[] it merges configs
18:08 marty xantus[]:  Thanks!  I'll check it out
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18:37 sri hmm, FF5 is not as good as i hoped
18:38 sri damn broken non native ui elements
18:38 sri chrome is at least consistent and makes everything look like poor html
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18:59 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Toto 0.05 by BDUGGAN - http://metacpan.org/release/BDUGG​AN/Mojolicious-Plugin-Toto-0.05/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/83972399107805184
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19:02 perlrocks Twitter: "♺ @ planetperlru: koorchik's Perl blog: Run Mojolicious / PSGI application: a mini-test performance. http://ff.im/GrYfJ" (ru) --xomaa http://twitter.com/xomaa/status/83973234877415424
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19:04 sri those benchmarks look flawed
19:08 sri hypnotoad with one worker and daemon are equal
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19:18 alnewkirk sri, can we talk briefly about your testing of stackato?
19:19 sri sure
19:21 alnewkirk so I saw via twitter that you got mojolicious up and running in minutes
19:21 alnewkirk you said installing the client took a bit of doing thp
19:21 alnewkirk tho
19:21 sri no i did not
19:22 alnewkirk whats your impression of the service?
19:23 sri i thought my tweets made that rather obvious :)
19:23 alnewkirk they didnt
19:23 sri the client that took extra work was for dotcloud
19:23 alnewkirk ah
19:24 alnewkirk what of stackato
19:24 sri https://twitter.com/#!/krai​h/status/83411382611083264
19:24 sri https://twitter.com/#!/krai​h/status/83409830596972544
19:25 sri i was impressed by it
19:25 sri they do a few things that are really cool and make it more userfriendly than i expected
19:27 alnewkirk i just signed-up, figured i get a recommendation first
19:29 sri knowing activestate, i would expect it to cost serious money after the beta
19:29 alnewkirk yeah, sri, i concur
19:30 alnewkirk thank you for restoring me to sanity
19:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Another mini-test web server on Perl http://t.co/WidQET8, # perl, # mojolicious, # psgi" (ru) --ukolov_ http://twitter.com/ukolov_​/status/83983180587220993
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21:29 GitHub108 [mojo/master] better delayed response debug log message - Sebastian Riedel
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