Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-06-27

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03:46 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference to describe the checkbox - Introduction to Perl with sample code (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/EpTozuX # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/85192183816269824
03:46 perlrocks Twitter: "write checkbox tag / Mojolicious reference (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/EpTozuX # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/85192324505796608
03:54 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference field to write a file - Introduction to Perl with sample code (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/SOSrmZz # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/85194258037997569
03:55 perlrocks Twitter: "Write file field / Mojolicious reference (id: perlcodesample / @ perlcodesample) http://t.co/SOSrmZz # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/85194455199645696
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05:44 sri good morning fellow bender fans
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06:12 perlrocks Twitter: "Looks like the #mojolicious community is deciding against additional keywords for lite apps. http://t.co/Im45R0m #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/85229005367808000
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06:44 GitHub179 [mojo/master] use cleaner hello world examples - Sebastian Riedel
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09:00 lammel Just saw the morbo issue with the filestamp not being update...
09:00 lammel A collegue had some similar issues when using a devserver running on a linux host while working on windows and syncing files
09:01 lammel (he was not using strawberry to save hastles with maintenance of the local toolchain)
09:03 lammel We might add a simple filesize check, that should solve quite some of issues that might arise due to broken scp/sftp/ftp syncs to remote filesystems
09:07 sri hmm
09:07 sri sounds interesting
09:08 lammel I'll be on vacation for the next 3 weeks (yepp, lucky me), so I'll get to that when I'm back
09:09 sri testing it will be a nightmare
09:10 lammel unit testing can be fine here
09:10 lammel mocking could be used for that
09:11 lammel but I think the -s operator is pretty ok multiplatform
09:11 lammel and I won't do much more that
09:12 lammel than that*
09:12 sri yes, but how do you test that the size test triggered the restart and not mtime
09:13 lammel that is the harad part multiplatform to reset the timestamp to the original value ;-)
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09:13 sri without turning the whole morbo code into a total mess
09:13 moritz by manually "adjusting" the stored timestamp?
09:13 lammel that was what I meant by mocking
09:13 lammel I mock that the timestamp always stay the same for the test
09:14 lammel Not 100% real world, but at least it tests what it should then
09:15 lammel I hope we can keep that as a 10-20 line patch, if it get's to complicated, we better live without that feature
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09:37 sri reminds me to rewrite the morbo tests
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09:43 sri lammel: the problem however is that you don't know when morbo will check the file
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09:44 sri it could be right in the moment you changed it, before modifying mtime
09:45 lammel yes, I know, that's why I need to make the function checking it, or the stat call
09:45 lammel make = mock
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09:45 sri eww
09:46 lammel yepp, very eww, but it might work and we have tests
09:46 lammel better than not testing
09:46 lammel we can see if something useful comes out, I'll send you the pull request then for review
09:46 lammel we can see if we like it or not
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09:55 sri ok, i'm going to expose the file checking functionality as Mojo::Server::Morbo->check_file()
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10:14 sri lammel: sorry
10:14 sri but i was already half way there
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10:18 sri tests should be quite good though
10:24 sri hmm
10:24 sri another change for the wishlist
10:24 sri would be awesome if the server tests were portable
10:25 sri morbo.t on winows
10:25 sri *+d
10:27 sri btw. i need testers for t/mojo/command.t
10:28 sri http://www.cpantesters.org/distro​/M/Mojolicious.html#Mojolicious-1.48
10:28 sri it appears we have portability issues there
10:30 sri lammel: oh, 3 week vacation, guess you won't mind then :)
10:34 marcus sri: what about you? Vacation plans?
10:35 sri evil computers don't get no vacation :(
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11:12 lammel hehe, yes, well I mind... but in 3 weeks ;-)
11:13 lammel I'm usually working on linux only, so the windows stuff was more to help "the others" having to work on windows
11:28 sri :)
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12:14 elb0w fuckin days like today working on wall st sucks
12:14 elb0w 90+degrees out im in a suit
12:14 elb0w fmylife
12:18 sri "With Halley's Comet out of ice, Earth is experiencing a sudden case of global warming. Morbo is pleased but sticky."
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12:58 sri interesting
12:59 sri analytics numbers look even better today
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13:00 sri over 1k regularly returning readers in the last 7 days (10 times or more) on the site
13:01 sri i like this metric, gives you an idea how many people are reading the docs
13:08 lammel people are reading docs...? google must be counting wrong ;-)
13:10 sri yea... silly google
13:11 stephan48 docs? wtf? what are docs?
13:21 Akron Who let the docs out?
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14:08 sri marcus: btw. what's your opinion on new lite keywords?
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14:35 perlrocks Twitter: "YES  RT @kraih Still unsure if #mojolicious should go all out with the domain specific language for lite apps. http://t.co/9hKyz2W #perl" --alnewkirkassoc http://twitter.com/alnewkirka​ssoc/status/85355614192148480
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14:38 GitHub69 [mojo/master] document the ability to call more than attributes and methods on some classes - Sebastian Riedel
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14:39 sri alnewkirk|com: it's not a yes or no question
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14:43 sri http://groups.google.com/group/mojolicio​us/browse_thread/thread/cbe3cca1ff73f743
14:43 sri opinions should go there
14:43 sri but atm it looks like more keywords won't happen
14:44 perlrocks Twitter: "# Plug-in bundle to organize files / Mojolicious blog written mojolicious - jamadam weblog2 http://htn.to/uBRmC2" (ja) --jamadam http://twitter.com/jamadam​/status/85357924939083776
14:44 perlrocks Twitter: "# Plug-in bundle to organize files / Mojolicious blog written mojolicious - jamadam weblog2 http://htn.to/uBRmC2" (ja) --jamadam http://twitter.com/jamadam​/status/85357945998675968
14:45 sri in fact so far we don't have real arguments for why more keywords would be a good idea
14:48 lammel true
14:56 alnewkirk|com doesnt matter to me either way
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14:56 alnewkirk|com i dont use the DSL syntax, which is why im more active here than Dancer anymore
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15:56 perlrocks Twitter: "#yapc toto - interesting looking CRUD/BREAD extension for Mojolicious" --samv_ http://twitter.com/samv_/status/85375857501290496
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16:28 sri http://blog.kraih.com/lets-​just-drop-the-5-from-perl-5
16:28 sri :D
16:30 Sugar yet anothe point of view?
16:30 Sugar =)
16:30 lammel well 16, shouldn't we at least start with 98, like windows did ;-)
16:31 sri Perl 2012
16:31 sri Premium Home Edition Deluxe
16:32 lammel now that sound like real marketing!
16:33 sri btw. http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2701887 # upvote me!
16:33 * sri cracks the whip
16:34 elb0w i flagged it
16:35 elb0w I dunno how high it will get
16:35 elb0w in the last couple months I think ive seen 3 perl articles make it to top 20
16:36 sri gonna link to hackernews in my tweet this time, maybe it helps
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16:51 alnewkirk|com nice thread
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17:02 sri alnewkirk|com: your answer sounds horrible
17:03 alnewkirk|com answer to what
17:03 alnewkirk|com oh
17:03 sri is that not you?
17:03 * sri scratches head
17:04 alnewkirk|com thats me
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17:04 sri you should clarify and use full sentences ;p
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17:05 alnewkirk|com that why my opinion and personal reasoning for not diving in head first with perl6 despite how cool it is
17:05 sri even i as a non native english speaker am not *that* lazy :)
17:05 alnewkirk|com that was --
17:05 alnewkirk|com lol
17:05 alnewkirk|com im multi-tasking
17:06 sri the other answer is good though
17:06 sri was about to write almost the same
17:07 alnewkirk|com i like both answers
17:10 sri oh frontpaged!
17:13 alnewkirk|com really?
17:13 sri YA RLY!
17:13 sri #12
17:27 sri hmm, i really need to brush up my social media skills
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17:42 * sri needs pizza
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18:31 perlrocks Twitter: "@kraih Wait, I'm not sure I understand you. Mojolicious is supposed to be like CGI.pm post-Rails post-Django, right?" --hiremebcimsmart http://twitter.com/hiremebcims​mart/status/85414946166407168
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18:58 xantus[] sri: hey
19:02 xantus[] sri: I wanted to thank you for everything you do
19:03 xantus[] http://xantus.posterous.com/    # lol, 11 months and still relevant
19:05 xantus[] hmmm where did your donate button go
19:05 sri xantus[]: my pleasure :)
19:06 sri looks like your blog will be relevant twice a year!
19:07 sri no donate button anymore, just the t-shirt shop
19:07 xantus[] you can turn on cash donations at github
19:11 sri there have been no donations since we got the pretty site, so i turned it off ;p
19:12 sri oh, thought github removed that
19:15 xantus[] maybe they did
19:16 xantus[] Pledgie
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19:19 sri lol, a funny troll
19:19 sri "let's have git sha1 signatures as version numbers. it will be as unreadable as perl ! _i'm_ serious ... being ugly is not bad at all. why not embrace it without shame ? and show the ascii _|_ to cute languages."
19:23 marcus __oooo____oooo__
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19:26 marcus sri: your 'evil' newstyle, doesn't that look a lot like dancer syntax?
19:26 sri you mean sinatra
19:26 marcus no
19:26 sri YOU DO!
19:27 marcus that's ruby
19:27 sri what do you think of it?
19:27 marcus I dunno
19:27 sri we've pretty much already decided against it... but i'm still interested
19:27 marcus I kinda like objects
19:27 marcus dealing with stuff by remembering which objects does what
19:28 marcus I think the dsl is a bit too procedural for my taste
19:28 sri interesting you say that
19:28 sri that was pretty much my reaction after playing with it for a bit
19:29 sri of course there could be a gazillion helpers
19:30 sri especially mixing oo and dsl was painful
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19:31 sri which would have to happen a lot when growing
19:32 sri well, you can try it too with the evil plugin
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19:46 sri s/Perl 6/Perl Forever/
19:46 sri this made me smile
19:46 sri it's so obvious
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20:06 xantus hmm, that was odd.  Server rebooted itself
20:07 xantus is now known as xantus[]
20:07 sri it's alive
20:09 elb0w dude havent gotten my shirt yet
20:09 elb0w wtf
20:13 xantus[] https://gist.github.com/1046696   Its nice to have #1
20:14 xantus[] but the number of helpers would get out of hand
20:14 xantus[] I say we keep render for better looking examples
20:15 xantus[] and leave it at that
20:15 sri haha
20:15 xantus[] whats so funny
20:15 sri keeping one for examples
20:16 sri only render would cover *a lot* though
20:16 sri but we would be crossing a line
20:17 xantus[] you can note that you can create your own lite helpers
20:17 xantus[] and like 'render'
20:17 sri but you can't
20:17 xantus[] s/and//
20:17 xantus[] oh, but you can, with a subclass :P
20:17 sri heh
20:17 xantus[] I did
20:18 xantus[] ignite has socket.io helpers
20:18 sri ok, i guess you could
20:18 xantus[] anyway. I have a meeting, bbl
20:18 sri how did you pass around the controller instance?
20:19 sri oh, i can just look
20:23 sri anyway, what annoys me a bit is that i don't know a good solution for Mojo::IOLoop->timer(5 => sub { render });
20:23 sri that will just fail with all my solutions
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20:55 tempire I dig it.
20:55 tempire perl 16.
20:56 tempire although I still think renaming perl6 is better.
20:56 tempire it doesn't matter, as long as some name changes somewherez
20:56 tempire I actually liked chromatic's post, even though he meant it sarcastically
20:56 tempire maybe that makes me a goober
20:57 tempire but what the hell, let's rename perl5 completely
20:57 tempire "raptor"
20:57 tempire then perl5i could be renamed to "raptor, bitches"
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21:07 alnewkirk|com :}
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21:09 xantus[] ahh
21:12 xantus[] we can rename Perl 6 to NotPerl(tm)
21:13 xantus[] hah
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21:21 sri i really think Perl Forever would be cute
21:21 sri it works on multiple levels
21:22 sri you have the duke nukem joke
21:22 sri you can yell it "PERL FOREVER!!!!1"
21:22 sri and it can be the everlasting research project giving us a glimpse into the future
21:24 sri Perl Forever could be an incubator for Perl features :)
21:25 sri the logo would be Perl with an infinity symbol
21:26 sri actually reminds me
21:26 sri i wanted to draw a perl6 fun logo with an infinity six :D
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21:27 xantus[] great idea
21:27 xantus[] purl: good idea
21:27 purl xantus[]: sorry...
21:27 xantus[] awww
21:27 sri she keeps forgetting stuff
21:28 * sri pats purl
21:28 * purl stabs
21:28 sri :o
21:28 xantus[] haha
21:28 perlrocks Twitter: "@ P01nt mb for such a task to choose something easy? sinatra, Mojolicious:: Lite" (ru) --rdtft http://twitter.com/rdtft/status/85459466052571137
21:28 xantus[] I'm pretty sure I added that one years ago
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21:34 sri wow, 51 on hackernews... only 4 on reddit...
21:35 xantus[] ?
21:36 sri then again, the whole perl section is rather awful
21:36 sri http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/
21:36 xantus[] oh
21:36 sri http://hackerne.ws/ # place 15
21:38 xantus[] hahah
21:38 xantus[] http://i.imgur.com/vWWaC.jpg
21:38 xantus[] typey tikka tikka
21:39 sri lol
21:40 sri reddit would be cool... without comments
21:47 xantus[] "Mark Wilkinson of Birmingham, England, took his new boat into West Bay harbor in Dorset for its maiden voyage. It sank..."
21:47 xantus[] It was called the Titanic II
21:47 xantus[] lol
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21:54 xantus[] I love the new mount feature
21:55 xantus[] oh, that reminds me...I need to check if static files are served out of the mounted path
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22:01 sri they are
22:03 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/maste​r/t/mojolicious/embedded_lite_app.t#L209
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22:07 GitHub195 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/k3lEL3
22:07 GitHub195 [mojo/master] fixed typo - Sebastian Riedel
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22:09 xantus[] ah yes, the tests
22:10 sri wow, i have 3337 commit already
22:10 sri *+s
22:16 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/tr​ee/master/t/mojolicious/external
22:16 sri that's the selfcontained test app
22:17 sri just add more tests in case you find something missing
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23:40 echosystm how does the websocket stuff work if you want to deploy on apache?
23:49 alnewkirk|com what an odd question
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23:53 echosystm ?
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23:54 echosystm the websocket '/blah' => stuff
23:54 echosystm how does that work in apache?
23:55 alnewkirk|com why would it work any different than get '/' => stuff
23:55 echosystm well it wouldnt use fastcgi, would it?

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