Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-07-04

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01:08 tempire !!
01:12 crab tempite: it's tuesday!
01:13 crab oh no, wait. it's only monday.
01:13 crab damn
01:22 sri monday is release day!
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01:38 tempire it is!
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01:43 tempire crab: someone didn't want to wait, so monday is the day
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02:03 sri MONDAY!
02:06 crab tempire: so, what is it?
02:08 sri you'll see later :)
02:50 tempire marcus
03:30 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference to describe the hyperlink - http://t.co/WIwUODv Introduction to Perl with sample code # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87724956099686400
03:31 perlrocks Twitter: "Write hyper link / Mojolicious Reference http://t.co/WIwUODv # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87725150937681920
03:36 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference that describes the password field - http://t.co/OXqBWW5 Introduction to Perl with sample code # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87726328484335617
03:36 perlrocks Twitter: "Write password field / Mojolicious Reference http://t.co/OXqBWW5 # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87726522370236417
03:41 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference to describe the radio - http://t.co/qrnjLuN Introduction to Perl with sample code # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87727702924197888
03:42 perlrocks Twitter: "Write radio button / Mojolicious Reference http://t.co/qrnjLuN # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87727859522740224
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03:51 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference to describe the select field - http://t.co/B2ysVxT Introduction to Perl with sample code # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87730243338637312
03:51 perlrocks Twitter: "perlcodesample: / Mojolicious reference to describe the hyperlink http://bit.ly/iutV81" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/87730319091965952
03:51 perlrocks Twitter: "perlcodesample: / Mojolicious reference that describes the password field http://bit.ly/k6EFDL" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/87730320086011904
03:53 perlrocks Twitter: "Write select field / Mojolicious Reference http://t.co/B2ysVxT # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/87730609140678656
04:08 crab huh
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04:56 perlrocks Twitter: "perlcodesample: / Mojolicious http://bit.ly/luEehj reference to describe the select field" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/87746467938312192
04:56 perlrocks Twitter: "perlcodesample: / Mojolicious Reference http://bit.ly/m9Aum7 describing the radio" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/87746466608713728
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12:38 GitHub195 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/jEJ6UX
12:38 GitHub195 [mojo/master] improved partial template documentation - Sebastian Riedel
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12:38 sri yay
12:38 sri http://www.cpantesters.org​/distro/M/Mojolicious.html
12:38 sri we pass on windows with perl 5.14!
12:39 sri looks like only the module File::stat is broken
12:39 sri with a bit of luck we will stay supergreen with this release
12:41 plu File::stat may be caused by the same problem I had some days ago on the Mac OS case insensitive file system where File::Stat and File::stat overlapped :(
12:42 plu NTFS is case insensitive too, isnt it?
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12:43 GitHub89 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/msDgay
12:43 GitHub89 [mojo/master] small documentation tweaks - Sebastian Riedel
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12:44 sri oh, interesting angle
12:44 sri that could actually be the reason
12:46 plu :)
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13:04 perlrocks Twitter: "@ Quite subtle and easy to use but I can recommend hisaichi5518 Mojolicious ..." (ja) --shiba_yu36 http://twitter.com/shiba_yu​36/status/87869378942611456
13:04 perlrocks Twitter: "Kinda digging #mojolicious, no frills web framework - http://www.mojolicious.org/ #perl" --nickfloyd http://twitter.com/nickfloy​d/status/87869452569427968
13:15 perlrocks Twitter: "@ Ease Naples I think I shiba_yu36 Mojolicious is outstanding." (ja) --hisaichi5518 http://twitter.com/hisaichi5​518/status/87872275965161472
13:17 marcus plu: \o/
13:17 sri marcus: did tempire talk to you about a review?
13:17 marcus sri: nope
13:18 marcus sri: review of what?
13:18 sri something he plans to release later
13:18 sri i recommended you as a more rigorous critic
13:25 marcus If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!
13:25 marcus ;)
13:25 sri :)
13:29 perlrocks Twitter: "Released a few minor #mojolicious updates over the weekend, we are finally all green on cpantesters again. :) http://t.co/BMed55i #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/87875774157299712
13:39 koban sri: should i call $t->test_server before test app?
13:49 sri if you don't know what it does don't use it
13:50 sri especially when it says experimental on the box ;)
13:54 koban :)
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13:58 plu marcus: hi! :)
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14:29 koban sri: proxy enabled by default for all requests in user agent?
14:30 marcus plu: did you notice iusethis got a lot faster this weekend? ;)
14:32 plu marcus: nope, but here in Dubai everything feels like on a 28.8k modem :). What did you change at IUT? :)
14:39 koban oops - is proxy enabled by default for all requests with UA?
14:41 marcus plu: replaced the t1000 with a modern 12 core intel box
14:42 plu marcus: oh nice :). Though it's a pity for the good old sun hardware :)
14:43 marcus plu: 10x page load improvements are nice too :)
14:44 plu marcus: true :)
14:44 marcus plu: I guess in dubai you would have more benefit from my next change, upgrading to varnish 3.0 so we can get gzip with esi.
14:45 plu marcus: yep, I bet I could feel that :). The internet is really awfully slow, at least for content from europe. My shell in Germany feels like I was using GSM/Edge, but I'm on 8 mbit
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14:48 sri koban: how else could it work?
14:48 marcus magic!
14:49 sri damn unicorns messing with the proxy again
14:50 sri wow... google is truly evil
14:50 sri http://twitpic.com/5jluo7
14:51 marcus sri: or they will be.
14:51 marcus sri: think that is a mockup.
14:52 sri it will happen
15:15 tempire marcus marcus marcus
15:17 sri tempire tempire tempire
15:17 tempire crab had a couple comments, but overall, "very nice"
15:18 sri lets see what the real critic has to say
15:18 sri crab tends to be too nice too
15:19 sri crab: don't take it personal :)
15:21 sri wonder what's the best time for release
15:22 crab now.
15:22 sri looking at my worldwatch i disagree
15:22 tempire You know what would be a useful, a chart of perlers and locations in the world
15:23 tempire where the influential people are, where the greatest clusters are, etc
15:23 sri you want CET and PST
15:23 tempire pst definitely needs to wait
15:23 sri don't forget feed delay
15:24 sri that's about 1-2 hours on top
15:24 sri japanese read a lot but rarely upvote on hackernews
15:25 sri that would be the third biggest cluster of perlers
15:26 sri oh yo made the changes i suggested :D
15:26 sri tempire: doesn't it look neat?
15:26 tempire yeah, that's why I made them :)
15:26 tempire The colors don't match up perfectly
15:27 tempire but I decided I didn't care.
15:27 sri the perfectionist in me wants to punch you now
15:28 sri the pragmatist agrees
15:28 plu who wins? :)
15:29 tempire me
15:29 tempire :)
15:29 sri him
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15:35 sri tempire: did the colors just change again?
15:35 sri i could swear it used to match better
15:35 tempire the splash matched the background before
15:35 tempire but the encoding changes the color a little better
15:36 sri oh
15:36 sri the powered by at the bottom looks a bit weird too
15:36 tempire so I'm recreating the spash png to match the encoded color
15:37 sri ah
15:37 sri powered by should be centered
15:38 sri or not be visible at all
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15:40 sri the blue on blue is also not too great, i'd go with black or grey
15:40 purl okay, sri.
15:40 sri see, purl agrees
15:40 tempire patience, purl
15:40 purl patience is a virtue, virtue is a grace, grace is a little girl who doesn't wash her face
15:40 sri :D
15:41 sri CET is not very good atm
15:41 tempire 1-2 hours delay, right?
15:41 sri ye
15:42 sri 8pm is a bad CET time to release something
15:42 sri i recommend having world clocks on the os x dashboard
15:42 tempire you can't really do CET and PST
15:43 sri suppose for americans it's a good time now
15:43 tempire one of those is going to be suboptimal
15:43 tempire AMERICA!
15:43 purl FUCK YEAH!
15:43 sri yea, well, europeans will read it in the morning, no big deal
15:43 sri problem is hackernews upvotes
15:44 sri then again, do we want this on the frontpage
15:45 sri i get most hackernews upvotes when i target CET
15:46 sri whatever... lets just release when marcus says ok
15:47 tempire I'll leave it up to you
15:47 tempire I have no experience with hackernews
15:47 sri i don't have that much either, getting perl stories frontpaged is a gamble
15:54 yko is thing you discussing available somewhere?
15:56 sri soon
15:56 sri marcus is scarily silent though
15:57 yko maybe he's just  impressed so much and can't say a word ?
15:57 tempire he said he was, for the content...  waiting on this thoughts for the presentation
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16:06 sri actually i can't even think of a good title for the hackernews submission
16:07 sri normally i append a (Perl Web Framework) or so, but it doesn't sound right in this case
16:11 marcus sri: i quitie liked it.
16:11 marcus but I had to take the subway home.
16:11 sri \o/
16:11 sri and
16:11 sri /o\
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16:20 perlrocks Twitter: "@EcoRicoTV mwah! Mojolicious love back attcha." --deborahkagan http://twitter.com/deborahka​gan/status/87918826930454529
16:29 sri tempire: just say when you open the site
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16:44 marcus sri: I now know the answer re scrollbars. You don't need to recompile the app
16:45 sri yay
16:49 marcus lion ships with perl 5.12.3
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16:54 tempire I'm a bit surprised by that
17:00 marcus tempire: expected 5.14.0_
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17:09 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojocast #1 Fun with clouds! http://t.co/4TCgnpw http://t.co/UPrDRZe #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/87931052206723072
17:09 sri http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2727061 # upvote!
17:10 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojocast #1: Fun with clouds! - Create your first Mojolicious web app http://t.co/QU7hRCN" --mojocasts http://twitter.com/mojocast​s/status/87931252858044416
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17:12 sri http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comment​s/igi4t/mojocast_1_fun_with_clouds/ # too!
17:12 sri tempire++
17:15 sri bit unfortunate that it resizes the embedded screencast, but there's a fullscreen button
17:18 marcus upvoted on hn and reddit
17:18 sri marcus++
17:18 perlrocks Twitter: "RT Video commentary came Mojolicious @ kraih: Mojocast # 1 Fun with clouds! Http://t.co/4TCgnpw http://t.co/UPrDRZe # mojolicious # perl" (ja) --deathgoraku http://twitter.com/deathgora​ku/status/87933390363435008
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17:19 tempire someone comment on mojocasts.com, to make sure they're working
17:21 sri done
17:21 sri input form is a bit weird
17:22 sri you can only use the second half
17:22 marcus I'm on a cloud
17:23 marcus Mojo - The web framework your man could be using!
17:24 tempire ah, it's my css for the vimeo iframe that's messing with it
17:25 sri oh noes
17:25 tempire if only I could change a hypnotoad served site without restarting it
17:25 perlrocks Twitter: "♺ @kraih: Mojocast #1 Fun with clouds! http://t.co/4TCgnpw http://t.co/UPrDRZe #mojolicious #perl #cloud" --Metztli_IT http://twitter.com/Metztli_​IT/status/87935123118505984
17:26 tempire fixed
17:26 * marcus registers mojocats.com
17:27 tempire mojo
17:27 marcus damn, it is taken!
17:27 tempire Mojo
17:27 tempire MOJO!
17:27 tempire HOOOOO!
17:27 sri mojo.cat
17:27 marcus http://mojocatz.com/
17:27 tempire at least it's top notch
17:27 tempire this is why I wanted to use the rainbow
17:28 marcus this group is a powerful and thrilling throwback to the Classic Rock music that everyone - Boomers, Gen-Xers,  and Millenials - will all love -
17:28 marcus looks like their webpage is from the 80s
17:28 marcus surprisingly, the domain was registered in 08
17:29 tempire they're a cover band, so they just copied someone else's site
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17:34 sri is it a holiday or so?
17:34 tempire lulz
17:34 tempire I completely forgot about that
17:35 tempire it is a holiday in the us
17:35 sri seriously?
17:35 purl is that for real?
17:35 tempire yep.
17:35 tempire july 4th.  everyone's outside.
17:35 sri oh my
17:35 sri that's bad
17:36 tempire DOH!
17:36 sri you better prepare a second screencast if you want to know the real potential ;p
17:37 perlrocks Twitter: "Nice! RT @kraih: Mojocast #1 Fun with clouds! http://t.co/4TCgnpw http://t.co/UPrDRZe #mojolicious #perl" --arpadszasz http://twitter.com/arpadsza​sz/status/87938048649736193
17:38 sri you've got pretty much the worst launch schedule possible now, evening in eu and holiday in us xD
17:39 sri how come you forgot july 4th btw. are you a terrorist?!!!
17:41 sri oh right, and 3am in japan
17:41 sri doesn't get much worse... ouch
17:43 sri on the upside, everybody who has seen it seems to love it
17:45 sri we need a second wave tomorrow, some funny tweet we can all retweet
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17:46 tempire it's what I get from conversing with all you foreigners
17:46 tempire and the anti-patriots in california
17:47 tempire cheney warned me.  I should have listened.
17:47 sri you should have
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17:51 marcus hmm
17:52 marcus seems there 'Lion fullscreen', and there's 'fullscreen'.
17:52 marcus can't swipe between non-lion fullscreen apps like chrome and iterm
17:52 sri eww
17:52 sri how is Terminal.app?
17:52 sri it looked great in screenshots
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17:57 marcus I like the blur :) http://nordaaker.com/docs/ski​tch/Dock-20110704-195653.jpg
17:57 sri neat
17:58 sri i'm pink again...
17:59 marcus you were always pink
17:59 marcus tempire is still grey
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18:01 sri are we in a tarantino movie?
18:01 sri mr pink?
18:01 marcus four finger swipe to switch to fullscreen terminal is pretty cool
18:02 marcus wish terminal supported three finger swipe to switch between tabs as well
18:02 sri 256 colors in Terminal.app now?
18:03 sri looks like chrome will be a mess on lion, they are still discussing possible solutions...
18:03 marcus how so? I am using chrome
18:03 sri fullscreen
18:04 marcus yeah, it doesn't act like safari fullscreen
18:05 marcus I guess chrome is not very native
18:16 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojocast #1 Fun with clouds. http://t.co/4TCgnpw #mojolicious #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/87947940311728128
18:18 marcus google chrome's scrollbars does not go away when you stop scrolling either.
18:19 sri ohoh
18:19 sri i accidentally the reddit post
18:20 sri http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comment​s/igjrg/mojocast_1_fun_with_clouds/ # resubmitted
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18:20 sri was just looking for a way to remove the "!" at the end :S
18:22 sri looks like i'll be switching to safari in lion again
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18:28 marcus i like two finger swipe to go back
18:28 marcus like flipping a page
18:29 marcus I still lack a gesture to switch between taba
18:29 marcus tabs
18:30 sri does textmate still work?
18:31 marcus seems to
18:31 marcus even the mate command
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18:38 sri http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comment​s/igjrg/mojocast_1_fun_with_clouds/ # ohoh, a critic!
18:39 sri tempire: TO DA CHOPPA!
18:43 marcus and he's a reddit leeetass too
18:43 marcus http://www.reddit.com/user/mithaldu
18:45 sri he's a professional critic, never releases anything himself
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18:53 tempire he's not entirely incorrect.  crab caught the same thing.  though it's not "really bad", as much as, "could be better"
18:54 sri that sums up my comment
18:56 tempire given his response, either he's an ass, or he has some kind of funky sound setup.
18:56 tempire 'cause it doesn't make much sense
18:56 sri he's a ass
18:57 sri *+n
18:57 sri had the pleasure to meet him in #perlde
19:00 sri and now he continues...
19:04 tempire hmm
19:05 tempire seems you can replace the video on vimeo
19:16 sri neat
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20:37 sri http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report​/14b38428-a621-11e0-bf76-bba665959a4a
20:38 sri what the hell is that?
20:38 purl i guess that is what I'm trying to figure out.  The session that is listening on the port.
20:38 * sri kick purl
20:38 * purl thwaps sri with a BIG STICK!
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20:40 tempire erk
20:41 tempire replacing the video would leave it unavailable for 30m
20:45 sri just do it
20:46 sri 6am in japan, 11pm in europe and americans are all drunk
20:52 tempire *slurp*
20:52 sri now tell me what that cpantesters result means
21:01 tempire maybe something to do with your bonjour detection
21:01 tempire avahi is linux bonjour
21:09 sri oh
21:09 sri that would make sense
21:09 sri we could disable bonjour for test
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21:18 GitHub156 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/jo7kGs
21:18 GitHub156 [mojo/master] fixed some portability issues in tests - Sebastian Riedel
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21:19 sri that should do the trick then
21:24 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1:55 by SRI - http://metacpan.org/release/SRI/Mojolicious-1.55/" (ms) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/87995333572960257
21:25 sri lets see if it works
21:30 sri i want supergreen
21:34 tempire huh
21:35 tempire #dancer doesn't publish their irc logs as a matter of policy
21:37 tempire mojocast with audio adjustment posted & encoded
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21:40 sri they also don't inform their users of security problems
21:41 sri remember when we had the big emergency release? they had the exact same issue and said absolutely nothing
21:42 tempire new comment!
21:42 sri \o/
21:44 sri btw. mithaldu is involved in dancer it turns out
21:45 sri big surprise!
21:45 purl rumour has it big surprise is Gauss not making the top 3
21:46 tempire never heard of showmedo before
21:47 sri me neither
21:48 tempire specifically for sharing screencasts, apparently
21:48 sri wow
21:49 sri python has 540 videos
21:49 sri perl has 6
21:49 sri assembly has 13 -.-
21:50 tempire guess I'll add it
21:50 tempire perl, now with 7 videos!
21:50 sri :)
21:51 tempire "All new videos are reviewed by Ian or Kyran before publishing. Your video will be processed automatically and you'll be informed when the video is published (usually within 2 days of uploading)."
21:53 tempire I guess I should expect moderation.  I am an apple user, after all.
21:57 sri I DEMAND MY WALLED GARDEN UPDATE!!!
21:58 tempire I like disqus comments
21:58 sri hope they don't delay lion :S
21:58 tempire nice, clean.  no facebook requirement.
21:58 sri i liked facebook comments, until facebook got uncool
21:58 sri now i like disqus again
21:59 sri deleting your facebook account is the latest hipness
21:59 tempire I wouldn't find fb comments if I could separate concerns.
21:59 tempire Which reminds me, I need to get back to work on my identity system.
21:59 tempire Every existing identity system is stuck in the 90s
22:00 sri social networks come and go, but twitter seems timeless
22:00 tempire 'cause it's separated
22:00 tempire I don't risk anything else by using it.
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22:24 tempire maybe it's just that I don't care about my tweets
22:24 * tempire tweets
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23:09 perlrocks Twitter: "# Mojolicious neat screencast at http://t.co/e2cHJQz great work, and one of the few ones that can keep up with railscasts.com # Perl" (de) --fwever http://twitter.com/fwever/status/88021767716745216
23:11 tempire I guess you removed the hackerne.ws post
23:12 sri ye, made no sense on july 4
23:12 tempire good
23:13 sri guess you could submit it tomorrow
23:13 sri at a good time, then we have something to retweet
23:13 tempire My own hackerne.ws post?
23:14 tempire it's like a new threshold
23:39 sri hmm
23:39 sri Mojocast or MojoCast?
23:39 sri i didn't really think about it

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