Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-07-08

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01:16 tardisx yslow complains that files served from public/ don't have an future Expires header set. a) does this actually matter, and b) can it be done?
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01:33 crab tardisx: yes and yes
01:33 crab the short version is to use an after_dispatch hook to set the expires header
01:33 crab and by coincidence, i'm working on a blog post with the long version
01:34 tardisx serendipitous!
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01:57 sri interesting, now that xaka is gone i have found evidence that allows us to consider the old $t->app behavior a bug
01:58 sri the documentation is contradicting at some points
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02:17 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference to specify the class to write a template when drawing - http://t.co/JRtiIr7 Introduction to Perl with sample code # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/89155995586138114
02:17 perlrocks Twitter: "Specify template class in rendering / Mojolicious Reference http://t.co/JRtiIr7 # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesa​mple/status/89156197671907328
02:44 perlrocks Twitter: "perlcodesample: / Mojolicious http://bit.ly/oGKyo6 reference to specify the class to write a template when drawing" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/89162863566008320
02:56 xaka sri: are you planning to write book about mojolicious? ;)
02:58 sri xaka: not unless a good publisher asks me
03:04 sri btw. i do have a patch to make $t->app always work, just not sure of it's the right way
03:05 sri Test::Mojo->app and Mojo::UserAgent->app become methods
03:06 xaka that's true because you can't pass real accessor to "has", only default value handler. "has" really simple and useful but sometimes you want to do more logic when it is used as a setter
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03:08 GitHub157 [mojo/master] deprecated Test::Mojo->new(app => MyApp) in favor of Test::Mojo->new(MyApp) - Sebastian Riedel
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03:08 sri xaka: take a look
03:09 xaka 138 additions and 71 deletions - wow :)
03:09 sri it goes quite deep
03:14 xaka looks good to me, thx
03:15 * xaka has opened a bottle of Heineken...
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04:11 tempire shnikies
04:11 tempire I had forgotten about get
04:13 tempire there should be a perldoc that explains how to use get specifically
04:13 tempire or at least that has the output of mojo get --help
04:15 sri tempire: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojoli​cious/Guides/Cookbook#Command_Line # if only there was a cookbook :)
04:15 tempire if only!
04:15 tempire I guess it couldn't hurt to throw that in there
04:16 tempire command line tools could be a screencast all on their own
04:16 sri that's true
04:16 tempire I was thinking of a tips and tricks one too, "how to impress your friends with mojolicious"
04:16 tempire things like the j5 option
04:16 tempire and other neat little things
04:17 tempire My main focus is trying to get the production time down
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04:17 tempire if I can streamline the process and get it down to one or two hours...
04:18 tempire the next attempt will happen soon.  I'm going to be on train for 5 hours with no internets
04:18 sri soon you'll be all professional and stuff
04:19 crab j5 option?
04:20 tempire cpanm with HARNESS_OPTIONS=j5, and you can have mojo installed in 15s
04:20 sri just don't forget us once you're a star!
04:20 tempire or you can wait 40 seconds LIKE A SUCKER
04:20 tempire I really want to make some lisp screencasts too
04:20 tempire so I can register lispcasps.com
04:21 sri :o
04:21 tempire but I digress.  one step at a time.
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04:22 GitHub44 [mojo/master] added peer method to Mojo::Transactor - Sebastian Riedel
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04:23 sri two hours sounds impressive though
04:24 tempire it's a goal.  it's the video cutting and getting the audio/video timing right that takes up the most time.
04:24 sri and ideas at some point
04:24 tempire fortunately I'm good for a while.  just have to go through the docs.
04:28 tempire marcus should have some too, with his 9 employees, telling google to back the !@#$ up
04:30 tempire google who!?  NORDAAKER represent.  That's how they do it in Norway.
04:30 tempire holla!
04:30 tempire or so I've heard.
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04:34 sri haha
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04:40 tempire I *really* like the hypnotoad updates
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04:41 * sri too
04:41 sri didn't realize how nice they are until i started using them
04:42 crab what hypnotoad updates?
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04:42 crab is licking the toad still strongly discouraged?
04:44 tempire crab: see hypnotoad --help
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04:49 tempire perl really needs a n00b-centered orm
04:50 sri mongodb should be quite good for examples, even without orm
04:50 tempire I have yet to check out mongodb
04:51 sri it will blow your mind
04:51 tempire moreso than riak?
04:51 sri think so
04:51 tempire NEVER
04:51 sri riak is cool in a very different way
04:51 sri mongodb is more mainstream
04:53 tempire I need to introduce the concept of a database using a helper, but I don't want to make assumptions that people know how to use DBs already.
04:53 tempire like the first mojocast, you only have to know how to open a terminal & edit a text file
04:54 tempire maybe I could use dbm
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04:56 sri i think you need something cooler
04:56 sri mongodb is hip
04:57 sri anyway, by the time you reach that one i'll have a cool mongodb driver with good documentation out :)
04:57 tempire that's only one or two away.
04:57 tempire so I take that as an official announcement!
04:58 * tempire parades
04:58 tempire that would actually be great, though.  using the newest okm in existence.
04:58 sri Oo
04:59 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious 1:59 by SRI - http://metacpan.org/release/SRI/Mojolicious-1.59/" (ms) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/89196865014337537
05:01 * sri hurries up
05:02 tempire I guess no matter what, I'm going to have to keep some things out of band.  Like directing them to the quickstart page of mongodb so they can download & install it.
05:03 tempire I wonder if there's a hosted mongodb database available for testing.  some sort of easy amazon thing to set up.
05:04 tempire mojo get mycoolservice.com/database/mongodb/temporary
05:04 marcus tempire: https://mongohq.com/home
05:04 marcus 16mb free
05:04 tempire !
05:04 sri there are two
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05:05 sri https://mongolab.com
05:05 sri both have free starter plans
05:06 sri 240mb free
05:11 sri and dotcloud supports it too
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06:37 zakame hi hi
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07:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-WriteExcel 2.00 by ZAKAME - http://metacpan.org/release/ZAKAME/​Mojolicious-Plugin-WriteExcel-2.00/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/89231879714250752
07:19 zakame wow that fast, I just dzil release a few sec ago
07:24 perlrocks Twitter: "says http://tinyurl.com/3gmgakq (just released my renamed Mojolicious plugin for writing Excel spreadsheets)... http://plurk.com/p/d1oznl" --zakame http://twitter.com/zakame/status/89233446437797888
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09:28 perlrocks Twitter: "Perl's not really my cup of tea, but this looks quite nice: http://www.mojolicious.org" --oceanician http://twitter.com/oceanici​an/status/89264706983968769
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10:20 perlrocks Twitter: "Holy crap, mojolicious nose and ears are bleeding." --tja1980 http://twitter.com/tja1980​/status/89277547392667649
10:29 crab that sounds quite serious.
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12:30 marcus sri: http://blog.kraih.com/mojolicio​us-in-the-cloud-hello-dotcloud seems obsolete
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12:52 marcus there's no deploy command anymore, and they use a .yml file now
12:59 marcus YAY, HAZ DINO PUKING RAINBOWS ON DOTCLOUD
13:04 crab hi marcus. are you just playing with dotcloud, or did you sign up for paid hosting?
13:05 marcus crab: I'm just paying, but I think I have a free vip account for a year or something
13:06 crab is dotcloud a thing that sits on top of ec2?
13:08 marcus it's in the cloud, man! :)
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13:11 sri marcus: oh noes
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13:31 sri but what's going on with mojolicious nose and ears bleeding? :O
13:38 crab maybe it's the fast release cycle!
13:44 sri does sound plausible
13:48 * mateu yawns
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14:03 marcus the mongodb drivers has a sizable dep chain
14:06 bpaluch oo I just started building a mojolicious / mongodb rest interface for a project yesterday
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14:07 marcus sri: eta for mojolicious mongodb drivers? :) The api for the normal perl ones is a bit hateful.
14:08 marcus I'm just building an admin tool for a new iphone project ATM. figured I could test hosting it on dotcloud
14:08 marcus not like it will be hard to switch later
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14:10 marcus anyways, I'm within the limits of free account atm, with 2 services (www and mongodb)
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14:17 marcus sri: $self−>url_for('test', name => 'sebastian'); <- this example seems to be missing from Mojolicious::Controller
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14:20 marcus sri: btw, using Mojolicious as the default cookie name kinda sucks. ends up my dev server bitches about [Fri Jul  8 16:19:16 2011] [debug] Bad signed cookie "mojolicious", possible hacking attempt. pretty often
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14:31 sri marcus: i'm not interested in problems, just solutions! :)
14:31 marcus sri: what a coincidence, me too!
14:32 marcus I'm actually unable to get this to work at all :/
14:32 marcus post '/delete/:question'  should be url_for('deletequestion'), question=>foo) right?
14:34 marcus oh, foo was undefined. now it works.
14:34 marcus with undef, I got just '/delete' back.
14:36 marcus sri: what do you think about including the app name in the default cookie? Would it be breaking bad?
14:36 marcus :)
14:37 sri it would prolly break a lot
14:37 marcus yeah, or at least make a lot of apps lose their state
14:38 marcus probably many apps out there using the default cookie.
14:38 marcus sri: what about setting it in mojo generate app / lite_app ?
14:39 sri ugly default app?
14:40 sri boilerplate in a hello world app will surely leave a good first impression...
14:40 sri how about you make a new generator plugin that does it?
14:40 marcus mojolicious generate marcus_style myapp
14:40 sri yea
14:41 marcus I guess that works. I could make it set secret by default as well.
14:41 marcus and setup config
14:41 marcus and make a t dir with a basic test
14:41 sri and would be a good example to encourage more
14:43 marcus sri: Mojolicious::Generate::App::Nordaaker ? :)
14:43 sri Mojolicious::Command::Generate::NordaakerApp
14:43 marcus yeah
14:44 sri NordaakerLite
14:44 marcus :D
14:44 marcus yeah
14:44 marcus we almost only make lite apps
14:44 marcus but with makefiles and tests and config
14:53 perlrocks Twitter: "Looking for a way to add mime types to the #mojolicious public static web server" --senormeow http://twitter.com/senormeo​w/status/89346250465492992
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15:16 perlrocks Twitter: "Just deployed a simple Mojolicious app with a Mongodb backend for one of our iPhone apps to @dot_cloud. Pretty smooth!" --marcusramberg http://twitter.com/marcusramb​erg/status/89352194675064832
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15:49 GitHub133 [mojo/master] small documentation improvements - Sebastian Riedel
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16:06 * yko wrote yko-style 'FatApp' generator years ago :p
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16:26 perlrocks Twitter: "/ Jamadam / Mojolicious I try to create plug-in cache memory for wo Mojolicious-Plugin-Cache-Lite - GitHub http://htn.to/cmu446" (ja) --jamadam http://twitter.com/jamadam​/status/89369665167556608
16:26 sri Mojolicious::Command::Generate::BeLikeYko
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16:42 perlrocks Twitter: "jamadam / Mojolicious-Plugin-Cache-Lite - GitHub http://bit.ly/oHPKKi" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnew​s/status/89373698171219968
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17:04 alnewkirk|com sri, found an issue in the processing of parameters
17:05 alnewkirk|com http://localhost:3000/people/update.api?id=0&a​mp;status=Active&amp;full_name=New%20User%20II​&amp;email=nuser4@comapny.com&amp;login=newuse​r4&amp;password=enter1&amp;password2=enter1 for example
17:06 alnewkirk|com id=0 ... or ... id=&other=123 parameter cannot be found using $mojo->req->params->to_hash
17:06 * alnewkirk|com meant, the id parameter
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17:15 GitHub27 [mojo/master] added a few more parameter tests - Sebastian Riedel
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17:15 sri alnewkirk|com: not true
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17:42 GitHub100 [mojo/master] Added type declaration for xsl stylesheets - Michael Harris
17:42 GitHub100 [mojo/master] Merge pull request #177 from shiftycow/master - Sebastian Riedel
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17:43 alnewkirk|com sri, you're right, sorry for the false alarm, the problem is in another module
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18:00 sri ok, i need windows testers
18:00 sri it seems t/mojolicious/app.t fails on some windows machines now
18:00 alnewkirk|com -here-
18:01 alnewkirk|com i've been -f install for a couple versions now
18:01 sri the reason is most likely the recent switch to File::Find based file listing
18:01 sri alnewkirk|com: then you're doing something very wrong, this is the first in 4 releases to fail any cpantesters tests
18:02 sri i'm going to need someone with a non-broken windows installation
18:02 alnewkirk|com i am not my operating system
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18:03 sri http://www.cpantesters.org/cpan/report​/53cb688a-6ddb-1014-9c95-c53b7af9f8c9
18:03 sri activeperl 5.14 and 5.14.1
18:04 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/b​lob/master/lib/Mojo/Home.pm#L88
18:04 sri that line will most likely need tweaks
18:05 xaka sri: cpan does buliding for you, isn't? i mean u dont need to ask people and wait for an answer
18:06 sri ?
18:06 sri no idea what you just said
18:07 xaka yesterday u showed web site where everything was green - windows, linux, ...
18:07 xaka so something did building and testing for you, right?
18:07 * xaka learning infrastructure...
18:08 alnewkirk|com C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop User>cpanm Mojolicious
18:08 alnewkirk|com --> Working on Mojolicious
18:08 alnewkirk|com Fetching http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/​id/S/SR/SRI/Mojolicious-1.59.tar.gz ... OK
18:08 alnewkirk|com Configuring Mojolicious-1.59 ... OK
18:08 alnewkirk|com Building and testing Mojolicious-1.59 ... FAIL
18:08 alnewkirk|com ! Installing Mojolicious failed. See C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop User\.cpanm\build.log for details.
18:09 * alnewkirk|com uses Windows XP + Strawberry Perl
18:10 alnewkirk|com seeing as how i have countless other modules installed and working properly, i'd say its your library and not my OS
18:10 sri don't paste into the channel!
18:10 alnewkirk|com sorry
18:10 sri why don't you nopaste the build log?
18:11 alnewkirk|com http://scsys.co.uk:8002/120405
18:12 sri and there we have it
18:12 sri exact same error, which only exists for one release
18:12 sri you can not have encountered that previously
18:13 sri *but* you can make it go away by fixing the line i linked to above
18:13 alnewkirk|com i dont recall, i do remember pasting a couple build logs for you before though
18:13 sri unless we are in a conversation pasting random stuff into the channel is rather useless
18:15 sri if you want something to get noticed you have to open a ticket
18:15 sri anyway, now you have the opportunity to fix the issue
18:15 alnewkirk|com it hasnt been an issue for me (yet)
18:15 sri i mean the actual bug ;)
18:16 sri File::Spec->abs2rel prolly doesn't work as it should
18:16 alnewkirk|com if/when i have time, sure
18:16 sri ...
18:16 alnewkirk|com i've got my own broken libraries to fix first :}
18:17 alnewkirk|com then i'll help you with yours
18:17 sri i'll make sure to remind you next time you ask me a question
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18:26 xaka sri: i think u should install virtualbox/vmware + windows to be independ on people
18:27 sri i don't even own a windows license
18:34 sri http://groups.google.com/group/mojolicio​us/browse_thread/thread/33fa6e84b96828f4 # maybe someone on the list can fix it
18:35 xaka k, what i need - activeperl or strawberry?
18:35 sri we've only had failing reports for activeperl 5.14.x so far
18:36 sri other versions could be affected too but i don't know for sure
18:37 xaka i'm on 64b, is it ok?
18:38 sri should be fine
18:38 purl Your capacity planning skills suck.
18:38 * sri kisses purl
18:38 * purl swoons!
18:39 sri it should fail at getting the right path for foo/bar/index.html.ep or so
18:39 sri some path mixup most likely
18:42 glick woot! the Mojolicious rpm was just installed in our redhat satellite
18:42 glick I can now officially mojo the crap out of our production servers ;)
18:42 * sri always gets a bad feeling when he hears rpm and production server
18:43 sri but maybe your rpms are fresh
18:45 glick heh, my rpms are fresh. *real* fresh. :P
18:45 glick this was just the first step in my evil plan
18:46 glick we're still running the perl found on the OS, i.e. 5.8... and 5.10
18:47 sri yay and eww
18:54 marcus sri: I guess windows users should buy you a license. reasonable for support.
18:55 xaka marcus: )) microsoft has to do it
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19:00 xaka sri: ssshhht, i need something more that activeperl to modify the code, run make and so on :( cygwin has perl 5.10 for an example
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19:02 sri xaka: as long as the test fails it should be fine
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19:07 sri xaka: actually, if you add a "warn "$File::Find::name, $dir\n";" and nopaste me the output i might also be able to fix it
19:08 marcus http://aws.amazon.com/windows/ # .oO amazon gift card?
19:09 sri lol
19:13 sri damn... after googling for File::Find windows bugs i'm close to switching back to the old implementation that didn't use it...
19:13 sri because it just worked portably...
19:13 xaka do u need my help stil?
19:13 * sri starts to remember why he just wrote his own little File::Find
19:14 sri xaka: yes
19:14 xaka ok, i'm on my way
19:14 sri i'm just reading up, don't have windows, can't test anything
19:15 sri no_chdir => 1 might help
19:16 sri looks like File::Find is horribly broken in most activeperl releases
19:18 xaka installing cygwin is really really long process, ah
19:18 sri http://pastie.org/2184383 # this might work
19:20 xaka installing Mojo....
19:23 sri that will hopefully fail
19:23 xaka ioloop.t is running more than 1m already. ok?
19:23 sri sounds broken
19:23 xaka 8/12
19:23 purl 0.666666666666667
19:23 xaka 1+1
19:23 purl 2
19:23 xaka 6+x
19:23 xaka hoho!
19:24 xaka sri: any ideas? what should i do?
19:24 sri ok, this is not gonna work
19:24 sri i need someone who knows perl development on windows
19:25 sri because i have absolutely no clue and can't talk you trhough it
19:25 xaka i mean what shoulid i do with this hanging test
19:25 sri think i'll ignore windows test failures again and let things sort itself out
19:26 xaka test_dynamic - this one i interrupted
19:28 xaka sri: k, let me know if u need something
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19:31 sri maybe it's fixed, maybe not, i don't care anymore
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19:34 xaka what the test file name?
19:34 xaka i'll try to run it without others
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19:37 xaka sri: ok, i've runned t/mojolicious/app.t through cygwin and there is no errors
19:37 xaka sri: let me check prev revison without your fix
19:37 xaka *revision
19:39 xaka hm, works fine
19:39 xaka with or without fix )
19:46 xaka sri: i've installed activeperl and checked last and prev commits - the problem is still here
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19:57 GitHub116 [mojo/master] cleanup - Sebastian Riedel
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20:03 xaka and warn doesn't show anything interesting when tests fail
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20:09 sri results have been posted to the list as well
20:09 * sri gives up
20:16 sri lets hope at some point someone who knows a bit about windows will get annoyed enough by the failing tests to fix it :)
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20:25 sri OH DAMN!
20:26 sri first sip of a cold beer and i knew what went wrong :D
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20:30 GitHub163 [mojo/master] fixed Windows portability issue - Sebastian Riedel
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20:30 sri xaka: should be fixed
20:32 xaka sri: ;) it is
20:32 xaka that's why it hangs :(
20:32 sri \o/
20:33 xaka test request to /foo-bar hangs for 5 and test fails - it was because list_files did something wrong?
20:33 xaka *5s-10s
20:34 sri wait what?
20:34 purl Sure, I can wait. I've got plenty of time. It's you mortal meat bags that need to hurry
20:34 xaka sri: it was before, dont be confused :)
20:34 sri is it fixed or not?
20:34 xaka FIXED
20:34 xaka i'm just trying to understand why it hanged before the fix
20:34 sri ok :)
20:34 trone_ sri++
20:35 sri you scared me there ;p
20:35 xaka sri: not me, beer :-p
20:35 sri beer++ # best debug tool there is
20:36 trone_ is now known as trone
20:36 * xaka trying to figure out how to cleanup it's windows from all this stuffs like active,mective,cygwin...
20:37 glick xaka: format+reinstall :P
20:37 sri it's so much nicer on unix, all you need is perlbrew
20:38 xaka k, it's lunch time
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21:00 GitHub60 [mojo/master] added cookbook recipe - Sebastian Riedel
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21:01 sri most people know this one, but it might still amaze those new to perl
21:07 sri tempire++ # for reminding me of it recently
21:12 * marcus wonders how fast mojolicious installs on a 12 core server.
21:13 sri some tests sleep a few seconds
21:14 xaka what about mainframe with a thousands of CPUs? :) i believe it'll get in stuck because it doesn't know how to use so much, ho ho ho
21:14 sri my bet would be on 10-15 seconds
21:14 sri for 12 cores
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