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xantus[] |
xantus[], is huh? |
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xantus[] |
purl, xantus[], is huh |
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purl |
...but xantus[], is a low-balled pay around 80K ?... |
| 00:20 |
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xantus[] |
purl, xantus[] is? |
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purl |
wish i knew, xantus[] |
| 00:20 |
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xantus[] |
purl, xantus is? |
| 00:20 |
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purl |
i don't know, xantus[] |
| 00:20 |
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xantus[] |
purl, xantus? |
| 00:20 |
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purl |
xantus is at http://xant.us/ or David Davis or your daddy or at http://xantus.tel/ |
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xantus[] |
purl, forget xantus[], |
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purl |
xantus[]: I forgot xantus[], |
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xantus[] |
purl sometimes picks up things from conversations |
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purl |
xantus[]: sorry... |
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* xantus[] |
raises his hand to purl |
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sri |
botsnack |
| 00:25 |
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purl |
:) |
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xantus[] |
does anyon have any g+ suggestions wrt gmail integration? I have access to the google docs they are using to gather suggestions |
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sri |
http://www.cpantesters.org/cpa[…]99d7-066e6976ff36 |
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sri |
what the hell? |
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sri |
no matter how good your tests are... some perl will be broken enough to have them fail |
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tardisx |
one might opine that Scalar::Util without weaken is completely useless :-) |
| 00:56 |
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sri |
ye |
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sri |
guess 5.15 is broken atm |
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tardisx |
I don't really understand how the XS version could fail to be built given it's in core |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "/ Mojolicious reference to create a template block - http://t.co/OEQ9z2C Introduction to Perl with sample code # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesam[…]90593002518614016 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Create template block / Mojolicious Reference http://t.co/OEQ9z2C # perl # mojolicious" (ja) --perlcodesample http://twitter.com/perlcodesam[…]90593123205525506 |
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xantus[] |
ChargeSmart is looking for Perl people with Catalyst/Dancer exp if anyone is interested. Odd they didn't mention mojo... |
| 02:03 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "perlcodesample: / Mojolicious Reference http://bit.ly/p2f72r create a template block" (ja) --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironman[…]90602109719937024 |
| 02:44 |
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tempire |
I get the impression that dancer folk are of the same ilk as catalyst folk |
| 02:45 |
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tempire |
mojo is for people who always want something new |
| 02:46 |
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sri |
not really, dancer is more the continuation of cgi-app |
| 02:48 |
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tempire |
I suppose. I don't really understand the draw of dancer. |
| 02:48 |
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tempire |
other than the metaphor |
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* tempire |
dances |
| 02:49 |
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Alias |
Template Toolkit |
| 02:49 |
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purl |
it has been said that Template Toolkit is looking surprisingly cool for a code/layout mixture... or perl -MCPAN -e 'install Template' or at http://www.template-toolkit.org/ or quite nice or NO NO NO the whole point is to NOT mix code and layout! or (for that we have mason!) or like PHP, but in Perl, with the syntax of Ruby or far superior to kd's mere mortal self or mocking me or currently making me very very cross |
| 02:49 |
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Alias |
;) |
| 02:49 |
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sri |
the simplicity of cgi and promise not having to learn anything is quite appealing to a certain kind of perl programmers |
| 02:50 |
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Alias |
Look at PHP |
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tempire |
BUT IT HAS NO UNICORNS |
| 02:50 |
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sri |
it's a different tradeoff |
| 02:52 |
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* tempire |
trades cgi for incorrectly colored rainbows |
| 02:52 |
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tempire |
I need a new iOS game |
| 02:52 |
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sri |
we do attract some of those too with Mojolicious::Lite, but the focus has always been on programmers that know what they are doing and want to have fun while doing it |
| 02:55 |
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sri |
catalyst mostly lives from being the safe choice nobody ever gets fired for |
| 02:56 |
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tempire |
lulz |
| 02:56 |
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tempire |
So, Catalyst: The Microsoft of Perl? |
| 02:57 |
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sri |
having an established standard is good |
| 02:59 |
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* sri |
likes redefining standards |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
And Cat scales more or less indefinitely |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
And integrates to more or less anything |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
It's a reasonable choice for big integrated corporate work |
| 03:00 |
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sri |
same for Mojolicious |
| 03:00 |
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Alias |
Although the Moose thing was a mistake |
| 03:01 |
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Alias |
It's basically impossible to debug cat any more |
| 03:02 |
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crab |
Alias; do tell more? |
| 03:05 |
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Alias |
If you get in the Perl debugger, and encounter any Moose code, generally you're going to end up down inside the guts of Moose code |
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* sri |
wonders if a core MOP would make that any better |
| 03:06 |
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Alias |
It would |
| 03:06 |
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Alias |
Mouse is much better |
| 03:06 |
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Alias |
Because it compiles much more of itself down to XS, there's no lines for the Perl debugger to stop on |
| 03:07 |
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Alias |
Same reason I use Class::XSAccessor most places |
| 03:07 |
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Alias |
It's both a) Fast, and b) Ignored by the debugger |
| 03:07 |
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crab |
does Moose cause any problems otherwise? |
| 03:07 |
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sri |
stevans proposal is really good |
| 03:07 |
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Alias |
I mean, it's big |
| 03:07 |
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sri |
https://github.com/stevan/p5-m[…]roposal/p5-mop.md |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
Padre continues to avoid Moose and discourage it strongly in plugins |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
Padre's startup overhead is 20meg |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
That's use Padre; |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
And about 40 meg to get to the main window |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
(Not including thread costs) |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
Moose is another 15 on top of that |
| 03:08 |
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xantus[] |
people really get interested in mojo when I show them a simple lite app |
| 03:08 |
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Alias |
It's an extremely significant amount of memory |
| 03:09 |
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xantus[] |
and then show them what it can do with a few changes |
| 03:09 |
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Alias |
Ruby on Rails did the same thing |
| 03:09 |
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Alias |
You attract people by how easy the first hour of usage is |
| 03:09 |
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Alias |
Where that hour includes installation and education |
| 03:09 |
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Alias |
PHP Hello World was so easy to get working, that alone kept a lot of people using it |
| 03:09 |
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sri |
we've made great progress there |
| 03:10 |
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Alias |
sri: Notwithstanding removing 5.8 support :/ |
| 03:10 |
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xantus[] |
I've even given someone portable strawberry perl and mojo in a pkg |
| 03:10 |
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Alias |
Or is that back again? |
| 03:10 |
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sri |
Alias: it's not removed |
| 03:10 |
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sri |
never was |
| 03:10 |
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Alias |
So what exactly did you change again? Sorry, memory shit atm, overloaded |
| 03:10 |
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sri |
just about everything |
| 03:10 |
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purl |
just about everything is rounded to 100mL, or sometimes to 250mL or variants on that. about as weird as we get is 375mL |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
No, what was the flamyness about 5.10 ? |
| 03:11 |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]such_a_bad_idea3F |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
ah, there it is |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
- Reverted deprecation of Perl 5.8.x support, by popular demand. |
| 03:11 |
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Alias |
Righto |
| 03:11 |
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sri |
we now suggest 5.12 on the frontpage because it is maintained |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
++ from me on that one |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
Yup |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
I'm good with suggesting X and supporting Y |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
Means I could run Mojo at work again |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
Which I couldn't during the deprecation |
| 03:12 |
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Alias |
I empathise though |
| 03:13 |
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Alias |
I really wish I could use 5.12 regexs in Template::Tiny |
| 03:13 |
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Alias |
Would make it an order of magnitude faster |
| 03:13 |
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* sri |
hates hitting 5.8 bugs |
| 03:13 |
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Alias |
I've been tempted to do a currying implementation |
| 03:13 |
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sri |
so easy to segfault the regex engine |
| 03:13 |
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Alias |
Uses different regex on different versions of Perl |
| 03:22 |
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crab |
sri: btw, did you see http://toroid.org/ams/etc/mojo[…]static-resources? any suggestions? |
| 03:32 |
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sri |
crab: not yet, still busy with the ioloop rewrite |
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crab |
"Could you will write any article (little manual) about sessions in Mojolicious, because the documentation is too poor" |
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crab |
sigh. |
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sri |
heh |
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crab |
i think that's a case of someone expecting complexity and being surprised at finding none |
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sri |
ye |
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tardisx |
centos 6.0 has perl 5.10.1 |
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tardisx |
I guess I should be grateful |
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rhaen |
moin |
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crab |
hi rhaen. |
| 08:34 |
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rhaen |
well, well - ... |
| 08:42 |
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crab |
was it you who once gave me an nginx caching configuration? |
| 08:49 |
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rhaen |
don't think so. I am an apache guy. |
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rhaen |
:-) |
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rhaen |
gnaaaa! How do I measure/test the loadtime of a webpage automatically? |
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rhaen |
I used Mojo for quick tests - fine! But now I need the full load time including flash and all the elements which are loaded by the flash |
| 09:02 |
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rhaen |
any suggestions? |
| 09:02 |
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purl |
"I suggest you don't smoke cigarettes ... and don't touch yourself when you're chillin' at the bus stop." |
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jamesw |
www-mechanize-firefox or test-selenium? |
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mspo |
is adding helpers the primary way to implement features? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "@teenCoder I'm not sure I understood your question. Can you try to rephrase it? The Mojolicious framework is used for writing web apps/sites" --marcusramberg http://twitter.com/marcusrambe[…]90729195008823296 |
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crab |
mspo: plugins too |
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mspo |
okay |
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mspo |
in a helper do I just return text content for a template to use, $self->render() it, or is there a better method to construct parts of pages? |
| 11:33 |
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crab |
i usually just return content |
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mspo |
what if i'm returning html? it was rendering as text |
| 11:38 |
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crab |
sri: would you accept a patch to allow $tx->res->headers->expires() and ...->cache_control()? |
| 11:38 |
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crab |
mspo: return Mojo::ByteStream->new($content) |
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mspo |
k |
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crab |
that prevents escaping, make sure to be careful to avoid xss attacks |
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mspo |
is there a file slurping helper already? |
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mspo |
crab: Mojo::ByteStream->new($content) worked, thanks |
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crab |
mspo: if you want, you can "use Mojo::ByteStream 'b'" and shorten that to return b($content) |
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mspo |
I was thinking bytestream probably had the right stuff in it but couldn't put it together |
| 11:49 |
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mspo |
crab: unless calling ->new all the time is a memory leak I think the first thing is fine |
| 11:49 |
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mspo |
eventually I'll grok mvc. I had similar mental blocks with django |
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mspo |
crab: where can I put in http headers? |
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crab |
mspo: in any action, you can do $self->res->headers->header(MyHeader => "some value") |
| 14:32 |
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crab |
mspo: and $res->headers has some shortcut methods for common headers like ->content_type and ->content_disposition |
| 14:33 |
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mspo |
crab: "action" like route( action => foo ) ? or do you just mean available in a helper or plugin? |
| 14:38 |
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mspo |
right now I'm using Lite so I don't have any route()'s |
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crab |
mspo: an action is any sub that handles a request, get '/foo' => sub { ...this is an action too... } |
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crab |
wherever you can get $tx, up to and including an after_dispatch hook, you can modify $tx->res->headers however you want. |
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mspo |
k |
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tempire |
sri: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]eric_Placeholders |
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tempire |
"A generic placeholder can be surrounded by brackets to separate it from the surrounding text." |
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tempire |
s/brackets/parentheses/ |
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GitHub41 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/qdP1vI |
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GitHub41 |
[mojo/master] fixed typo - Sebastian Riedel |
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initself_ |
friends, romans. |
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* sri |
waves |
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initself_ |
$dom->font->color # not valid syntax? |
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initself_ |
you can do $dom->div ... so font isn't just like div? |
| 18:12 |
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sri |
unless color is a tag, no |
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initself_ |
hrm. |
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initself_ |
it's an attribute, so i need to use that syntax. |
| 18:12 |
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* initself_ |
looks. |
| 18:13 |
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sri |
->font->{color} |
| 18:13 |
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initself_ |
can't locate object method font |
| 18:13 |
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initself_ |
seems to suggest $dom->font is not valid? |
| 18:13 |
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sri |
then there is no font tag |
| 18:13 |
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initself_ |
hrm. that could be! |
| 18:20 |
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initself_ |
http://scsys.co.uk:8002/121533 |
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initself_ |
i dont see why $dom->div would fail, as you can clearly see it in the source. |
| 18:22 |
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sri |
but is it a root element? |
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initself_ |
it looks like it! |
| 18:22 |
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initself_ |
all i see is <body> some <br /> tags and then <div> |
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sri |
so it's not a root element |
| 18:23 |
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sri |
$dom->html->body->div->[0] |
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sri |
would be my first guess |
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initself_ |
REALLY? |
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initself_ |
Oh, shows how little I understand. |
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* initself_ |
tries again. |
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initself_ |
sri++ |
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sri |
you either walk the whole tree or search with css selectors |
| 18:24 |
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initself_ |
ya, i see now! |
| 18:24 |
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sri |
:) |
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* sri |
goes to get pizza |
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initself_ |
die Dumper $dom->at('font:nth-of-type(1)')->{color}; # so great! |
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initself_ |
have you thought about selling this for millions of dollars? |
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tempire |
initself_: if you're buying, I'll sell you the whole codebase |
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* sri |
puts a free t-shirt on top of it |
| 19:08 |
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sri |
https://plus.google.com/107276[…]posts/KcJXYamu12X # lol |
| 19:18 |
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tempire |
sri, you eat a lot of pizza |
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tempire |
that's a lot of carbs |
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* tempire |
gives sri a vegatable |
| 19:20 |
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sri |
but but |
| 19:20 |
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sri |
there are vegetables on the pizza! |
| 19:20 |
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tempire |
hmm |
| 19:20 |
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tempire |
I guess that's ok |
| 19:21 |
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tempire |
on http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]ing#Reversibility |
| 19:21 |
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tempire |
for "/hello -> /:name/hello -> undef", undef is intended to mean that the route won't match the given url |
| 19:21 |
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tempire |
correct? |
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purl |
correct is, like, good. :> |
| 19:22 |
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sri |
yes |
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sri |
it's used all over the guide |
| 19:23 |
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tempire |
my first thought at looking at undef is that it would match, but not fill the value |
| 19:23 |
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tempire |
that's obviously not what it means in context |
| 19:24 |
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tempire |
but I'm wondering if anyone else thought the same |
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sri |
how weird... http://www.cpantesters.org/dis[…]/Mojolicious.html |
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sri |
72 pass, 1 fail |
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sri |
the 1 fail is the broken perl 5.15, but it doesn't even show up in the list |
| 19:28 |
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xaka |
sri: are u planning to add a new feature to updated ioloop? |
| 19:28 |
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xaka |
*features |
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sri |
xaka: no |
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initself_ |
i think there is probably a direct correlation between pizza consumption and genius programmers. |
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tempire |
the "instantly add chat to hacker news" is really a great marketing ploy |
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marcus |
sri: somehow I find the what the renderer works isn't a perfect match for the json rendering. |
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marcus |
sri: for instance, I have some action '/foo' which sets up some stash and renders a template. If I want a json representation of that, I can't really do '/foo.json' and reuse the action definition, can I? |
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sri |
marcus: why not? |
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marcus |
sri: because I need to do something like $self->render_json({<stuff_from_stash>}) ? |
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marcus |
sri: where would I do that? |
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sri |
in the action of course |
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marcus |
uh |
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marcus |
sri: but then the same action cannot be used to render a template. |
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sri |
return $self->render_json(...) if $self->stash->{format} eq 'json'; |
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marcus |
yeah, I guess I can do that. |
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marcus |
it's not so pretty tho |
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sri |
find a better solution |
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sri |
bot sure what you're expecting, magic? |
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marcus |
sub action_json { shift->render_json(….) ? |
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sri |
? |
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marcus |
sri: I'm just brainstorming atm, so it might be a bad idea |
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marcus |
sri: being able to run a per-format sub strikes me as useful tho. |
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xaka |
why just dont grab the return value and pass it to renderer depend on format in case of there was no previous render call? |
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xaka |
in this case u can return anything from your handler (usually it's a hash) and convert it to anything - xml, json, template |
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sri |
marcus: you might already be able to do that with a condition that rewrites the captured action value |
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marcus |
sri: not sure what you mean, but sounds good =) |
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sri |
path and method match before conditions |
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sri |
so if you apply a condition that just always returns true and appends _format to the current value of $captures->{action}, you should get the behavior you described |
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marcus |
sri: except I'd want it to run {action} first, *then* action_<format> |
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sri |
eww |
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sri |
but also possible |
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purl |
well, also possible is creating an "Error" type, which could also contain an error message (explaining the reason for the Null return value), and allowing easy promotion to an actual exception in certain contexts or pragmas |
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sri |
you could on top of what i described add a shortcut that generates a bridge and a route attached to it |
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sri |
bridge would be normal action, attached route the format specific one |
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sri |
the return value of your normal route could then even prevent the format specific part |
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marcus |
yupp. But you might be right, maybe too much magic. I guess I'll settle for a helper to make it less verbose for now. |
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sri |
ye, it's a lot of magic |
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marcus |
$self->render_if_json({foo=>'bar'}); ? :) |
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sri |
$self->magical_render($whatever); |
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sri |
:) |
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marcus |
:D |
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marcus |
lovely |
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marcus |
format_sensitive_render(..) |
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marcus |
gender_sensitive_render(..) |
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sri |
werewolf_render(..) |
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* marcus |
kills some peasants. |
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* sri |
doesn't believe marcus |
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* marcus |
howls against the moon and bites sri. |
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sri |
next full moon is july 30... |
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marcus |
I have plans then, so I'm doing it early :) |
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sri |
oh, i see |
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* sri |
runs |
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tempire |
sri! |
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tempire |
I have an artwork request. or at least input. |
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marcus |
I have to say, http://meetv.no/ is starting to look like one of the prettier mojolicious powered sites out there :p |
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tempire |
I want to do this: http://bit.ly/pIutwX |
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tempire |
for placeholders |
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tempire |
which requires some sort of image that represents placeholders |
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tempire |
it's tough without the myriad pro font. |
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tempire |
dumb cs2 discs have faded into the aether |
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sri |
marcus: add it to the wiki! |
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tempire |
I need a service that uploads images for sharing with one click/action |
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sri |
tempire: what do you need? |
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sri |
you mean you want to add some kinda slide in your screencast? |
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marcus |
sri: done |
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sri |
marcus++ |
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sri |
tempire: i really like how peepcode uses slides |
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marcus |
tempire: I use skitch, it uploads my screenshots with one click, and puts it in the paste buffer with the next. |
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marcus |
and it lets me host my screenshots on my own web server, or use skitch.com |
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sri |
tempire: use keynote |
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sri |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MrtyTRZ6OI # example for a keynote project filmed with screenflow |
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tempire |
not the program, that part's easy. I'm looking for an image like the one in the screen shot. Something that represents placeholders. |
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marcus |
http://nordaaker.com/docs/skit[…]110712-235816.jpg is it just me, or is dancer overpromising a bit in their config file? |
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sri |
ah, you need to be specific ;p |
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sri |
marcus: lol |
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tempire |
This is what I have right now. https://skitch.com/tempire/fjx[…]-12-at-5.53.10-pm |
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tempire |
I don't like it. |
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tempire |
It's boring. |
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sri |
/:mojolicious |
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sri |
Placeholders |
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purl |
Placeholders is the '?' in INSERT INTO archive VALUES(?, ?, ?, NOW(), NULL) |
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sri |
i wouldn't put too much effort into that detail though |
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sri |
some random dingbat should do |
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tempire |
oh, dingbats |
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sri |
let me look up an example |
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tempire |
forgot about those |
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sri |
http://peepcode.com/products/nodejs-i # a dingbat heavy screencast (see screenshots) |
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sri |
don't be intimidated by the peepcode quality though, they have fulltime designers working on those screencasts |
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tempire |
I'm not |
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tempire |
it's only time. |
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sri |
ye |
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sri |
i also like the overlay slides on the right side they do sometimes |
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sri |
and never underestimate the power of a simple white dingbat on a dark background |
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* sri |
loves minimalistic design |
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tempire |
huh |
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tempire |
I guess osx doesn't have webdings |
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marcus |
I love ponies and rainbows |
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marcus |
it does |
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sri |
quite sure it does |
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marcus |
zapf dingbats |
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marcus |
*and* webdings |
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marcus |
tempire: check font book, under web? |
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tempire |
yeah, I see it now. some programs just don't accept it as input, I guess. |
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tempire |
oh, character viewer. now I remember. |
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depesz |
hmm .. where can I find some info on "dumper" clause in templates? |
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depesz |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]ultHelpers#dumper - found this. is there any way to make it dump fully recursively, more than 2 depth-levels? |
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jamesw |
set the data-dumper package variable? |
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depesz |
hmm ... ok. thanks. |
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jamesw |
just a guess |
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jamesw |
nope that won't work |
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jamesw |
its hardcoded |
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depesz |
Yeah, but since Data::Dumper is loaded, I can just use it directly, and not use dumper() thing at all. |
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mspo |
I was having trouble with using a regex in mojolicious lite like get '/:foo' => [ foo => qr/^[a-z]/ ] => sub {}; |
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depesz |
so you helped anyway :) |
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mspo |
it seemed like I couldn't use anchors in the regex |
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depesz |
mspo: yes. you can't. |
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jamesw |
cool |
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depesz |
it's mentioned in docs. |
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mspo |
the routing docs? |
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depesz |
mspo: http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]tive_Placeholders |
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sri |
and "./myapp.pl routes" will show you exactly why |
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sri |
depesz: the dumper limit is not intentional, improvements welcome |
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depesz |
sri: perhaps just removal of the maxdepth? |
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depesz |
it would help, at least in my case. |
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mspo |
sri: thanks, that's helpful |
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GitHub91 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/n8ClVR |
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GitHub91 |
[mojo/master] removed depth limit from dumper helper - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
depesz: hmm, not sure why the limit was there |
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depesz |
sri: thanks a lot. |
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mspo |
okay, I won't need the anchor |
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sri |
oh, maybe i mixed it up with Indent(2) or so |
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depesz |
hmm .. got a lot of "Use of uninitialized value in string ne at (eval 359) line 49." |
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depesz |
any idea how to debug it? |
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depesz |
it's probably in some template |
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sri |
make warnings fatal in templates? |
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sri |
should result in a pretty debug screen then |
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depesz |
how? |
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sri |
use warnings FATAL => "all"; |
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depesz |
aaaah. right. |
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depesz |
sorry. |
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depesz |
although the error doesn't make sense .. moment trying to paste |
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depesz |
http://depesz.privatepaste.com/099d2f0efb |
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depesz |
intereastingly - when I click "tap for more" - line numbers get rearranged, and the line that was previously 54 is now 50th, and it makes sense. |
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sri |
damn, that is some horrible code |
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depesz |
in my screenshot? |
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sri |
in the paste |
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depesz |
i can easily take it. i didn't write it :) |
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sri |
actually i have no idea how code lines without any actual code end up when compiled |
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depesz |
perhaps this is the source of the problem. |
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sri |
different line numbers points at a bug |
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depesz |
sorry. |
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sri |
would be nice if you could replicate it in a minimal test case |
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sri |
then i could take a look and find out |
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depesz |
hmm . well - i just have this project that I'm working on now - explain.depesz.com |
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depesz |
don't have any other mojolicious code. |
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