Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-07-21

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00:28 xaka is mojo alive? :) i dont see any new commits for last week, looks suspiciously
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06:59 sri damn
06:59 sri perl 5.14.1 doesn't compile on lion
06:59 tardisx perlbrew?
06:59 purl perlbrew is just so nice.
06:59 tardisx I heard rumours to that effect on #perl
07:00 crab hi.
07:00 sri how is anyone of you working on lion?
07:01 * sri waves
07:01 tardisx the 5.14.0 I had on SL still works :-)
07:01 sri :S
07:10 sri guess i could revover 5.14.1 from timemachine
07:11 tardisx clean install?
07:11 purl clean install is http://support.encoreusa.com/kb.asp?id=554
07:11 sri ?
07:12 tardisx Why isn't your ~/perl5/perlbrew/... still there and working?
07:12 sri deleted it for clean reinstall
07:13 tardisx ah
07:15 rhaen sri: yep!
07:15 rhaen sri: me! :)
07:15 * rhaen is a lion user :)
07:15 rhaen <--- early adopter
07:18 sri everybody else here adopted it yesterday ;p
07:30 sri mission control is so much more useful than expose was
07:34 rhaen yup. I like it :)
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09:30 plu hm. How can I change the url for static files? I figured out how to set the path: $self->static->root( $self->home->rel_dir('static') );. If there's a static/foo.png it gets served via /foo.png, whereas I'd like to serve it via /static/foo.png
09:53 sri nope, that's beyond the scope of the static dispatcher
09:53 sri let a real server handle that
09:54 sri or build your own static dispatcher plugin
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10:02 plu ok thanks :)
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10:22 marcus sweet, textual git master has native lion fullscreen
10:28 sri :o
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10:57 sri yay for perlbrew, there is already a fix
10:57 sri http://www.perlbrew.pl/FixLion.html
11:03 crab that's beyond the scope of the static dispatcher? oh.
11:04 crab oh, it makes sense.
11:09 sri :)
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11:18 sri marcus: cpanmin.us seems broken
11:19 marcus sri: WFM
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11:19 sri hmm
11:19 sri could not resolve Oo
11:20 marcus http://paste.scsys.co.uk/124524
11:20 marcus can you try the same?
11:20 sri oh, now it's back
11:21 sri couldn
11:21 sri 't try, back too quick
11:22 marcus doh :/
11:22 marcus I'd love to know what causes that.
11:22 marcus I don't have the issue on any other domains served from the same nses.
11:27 marcus sri: sent another mail to my dns hosting provider.
11:28 sri marcus++
11:28 sri will try to remember making a trace if it happens again
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11:29 marcus sri: thank you
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12:25 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: I know he never used at all from Lite, Mojolicious:: The Lite is Amon2 made: it can not in Lite, mon What a reverse what Toka Toka" (ja) --sugyan http://twitter.com/sugyan/status/94020187002634240
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13:33 plu Mojolicious++
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13:36 marcus totally switching back to iterm now that they have native fullscreen.
13:36 * sri is not
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13:37 marcus I love having split windows and focus follows mouse.
13:38 marcus have a bit too many pixels for just one terminal on the screen :p
13:39 marcus and native fullscreen fixes my one issue, which was not having access to the menu from fullscreen.
13:54 sri focus follows mouse is not for me
13:54 sri more of a terminals in tabs person
13:55 sri so Terminal.app is just fine for me
13:55 sri also like the font rendering
13:55 marcus I do both terminal in tabs and split windows.
13:55 sugar does mojo have any opportunity to push any message to client from server?
13:55 marcus wow, ruby people are hating on dancer now .
13:56 sugar why?
13:56 sri just dancer or perl?
13:56 marcus http://cpanratings.perl.org/dist/Dancer
13:57 sri boring
13:57 marcus dancer people want to be able to remove bad reviews from cpanratings now =)
13:58 crab "You're on our radar now"? geez. how insufferably pompous.
13:58 marcus yeah. would have expected better from a githubber.
13:58 sri i'm all for censoring
13:58 sri i do it with blog comments too
13:59 marcus well, that's your blog, I think that's fine. independent reviews is a completely different thing.
13:59 sri if people want to flame me they should put more effort into it and do it on their own blog
13:59 marcus if cpan authors could remove bad reviews, I would stop using it.
13:59 sri well… it's my cpan account :)
13:59 stephan48 ye
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14:00 sri i actually want to control as much data related to me or my work as i can
14:00 sri actually, i think i suggested changing cpanratings to only allow positive ratings in the past
14:01 sri there is not much value in negative ones
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14:01 sri however
14:02 sri if you did it like apple and let new releases reset all reviews then it would make sense
14:02 sri i'm sure i ranted about this like a few years ago :)
14:03 marcus yeah, it should be made version specific
14:03 marcus also, I guess a comment with all negative feedback should be given less weight in total score
14:03 sri weight should dimish over time (or releases)
14:04 marcus yepp
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14:04 marcus that too
14:04 sri reset would be a pragmatic solution
14:04 crab i dunno, i think cpanratings are pretty useless, positive or negative.
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14:05 sri what else do we have?
14:05 marcus too bad iusethis for perl isn't done :p
14:06 marcus castaway was working on it, but I guess she lost steam.
14:06 sri personally i think github watchers are fun, but they are more for measuring hipness
14:09 crab for anything nontrivial, i generally take a lot of time to decide what software to use, based on reading its code and playing with it. or it's something trivial and i use whatever module's documentation looks the most promising.
14:10 sri documentation quality says a lot yea
14:10 sri the majority is not smart though ;p
14:10 marcus I just use some random crap.
14:10 marcus kidding
14:10 crab for catalyst vs. dancer vs. mojo, i spent some _months_ trying to decide, based on building small apps in each
14:11 crab and in fact, i tried out rails and django and a couple of others too. pylons or somehting.
14:12 sri marcus: btw. did you get lion for free as a developer?
14:15 plu marcus: metacpan has some kind of a iusethis now, in form of a +1
14:16 marcus sri: yeah, I installed the GM from the dev center, and now it just says 'installed' in the app store.
14:16 sri plu: is that limited to cpan authors?
14:17 sri marcus: neat
14:17 plu sri: hm nope. Everyone who can login can +1 something
14:17 plu so you need an account on twitter, facebook github or pause
14:17 marcus never heard of meatcpan
14:17 sri ah
14:17 plu marcus: http://www.metacpan.org/
14:17 plu it's quite nice
14:18 sri https://metacpan.org/module/Mojolicious # +1 us!!! :D
14:18 plu I did already, I was number two :)
14:18 sri +1 is nice
14:18 plu yea
14:18 sri downvotes are a bad idea in general
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14:20 marcus Error
14:20 marcus In order to change your profile you have to connect your account to PAUSE.
14:20 marcus wtf?
14:20 plu it sends a JSON file there
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14:22 marcus +1 completed
14:25 perlrocks Twitter: "You can +1 #mojolicious and other modules on metacpan now if you're logged in, great idea! http://t.co/7DnvOn4 #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/94050367381319680
14:27 perlrocks Twitter: "Wonder if the metacpan +1 button can be added to the #mojolicious site as well, might need a more distinctive design though. :) #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/94050802922045440
14:27 plu my first (tiny) mojolicious app: http://gmc.pqpq.de/
14:27 plu sri++ # Mojolicious is a very nice framework :)
14:28 sri \o/
14:29 sri plu: that looks really fun
14:29 sri plu: got something i could retweet?
14:29 plu sri: mmm not yet, I'm gonna blog about it, but probably only tomorrow
14:30 plu sri: but I can give twitter a try before, one sec
14:30 marcus plu: it needs a pager :)
14:30 plu marcus: yea :)
14:30 marcus or javascript lazy load
14:32 * sri wonders if github watch buttons could be embedded too
14:32 sri so i know who i'm already watching ;)
14:33 perlrocks Twitter: "My first #mojolicious app just went to the (dot)cloud: http://t.co/UogjbQd - Mojolicious is a really nice framework! kraih++" --PLUT00TH http://twitter.com/PLUT00T​H/status/94052308027064320
14:33 mspo does MIYAGAWA win at that website?
14:34 marcus mspo: wins which with what?
14:35 sri plu: actually i think you might get more attention if you said what the app did :)
14:35 sri retweeted though
14:36 sri but really, NEED WATCH BUTTON!
14:37 plu sri: hm true, I missed the point :)
14:38 sri could be fun to turn that into a game, most followers per project, most forks...
14:38 marcus yeah, lots of stuff you could get from github api.
14:38 marcus people like top lists .)
14:38 sri http://www.coderwall.com/kraih # this is a bit boring and generic
14:39 sri i would like two more mojolicious forks though for the 100 forks badge :D
14:39 plu :)
14:39 marcus sri: I haz more badges :p http://www.coderwall.com/marcusramberg
14:39 sri oh noes
14:39 sri WALRUS!
14:40 * sri bows
14:42 marcus bah, the sign in button is broken on coderwall
14:42 plu the signup didnt work the first time either
14:42 plu after trying a few times, I'm getting some bad news: Your expected wait time is currently 2 days in this queue
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17:11 xantus[] I keep getting that invalid_credentials error (404 not found) on coderwall
17:17 xantus[] fail
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17:26 marcus xantus[]: try from the front page
17:26 marcus sri: any ideas about this velociraptor + perl trademark coderwall is talking about?
17:32 marcus bad sri, no cookie. https://twitter.com/coderwa​ll/status/94097408354549760
17:32 marcus :)
17:39 sri marcus: wtf?
17:39 marcus sri: we want our dino!
17:40 sri cc-sa is about as liberal as a license can get
17:40 * marcus is rocking out to soma.fm secret agent.
17:40 tempire I was wondering what the deal with the raptor was.  It disappeared one day.
17:40 marcus sri: apparently they asked you about the placement of the attribution.
17:40 marcus sri: and did not get a response.
17:41 sri i get a gazillion mails per day, it prolly got flagged
17:41 sri anyway, https://github.com/kraih/perl-raptor if that doesn't make it clear i don't know what would
17:43 marcus sri: https://twitter.com/coderwa​ll/status/94099939277279233
17:43 sri marcus: if i remember correctly they even used their own raptor image
17:43 sri so the whole question makes no sense
17:44 marcus sri: https://twitter.com/marcusram​berg/status/94100346879746048
17:44 sri i don't think they ever used my raptor
17:44 marcus doh, called you sri :)
17:44 * sri bonks marcus on the noggin
17:44 * marcus passes sri the spliff
17:45 * sri keeps it
17:46 marcus sri: tell them you don't mind using their own raptor :)
17:48 marcus let a thousand raptors bloom...
17:53 sri marcus: https://twitter.com/#!/krai​h/status/94102537115930624
17:53 marcus sri++
17:56 sri after that some trademark troll will prolly fuck us over
17:56 marcus think we're starting to get good prior use.
17:57 sri that only works if you're willing to pay the lawyer
17:57 marcus or if the trademark isn't granted.
17:58 sri "Honestly, i think @kraih needs to loosen the restriction. Free advertisement is fine, but this is a language logo, *used everywhere*"
17:59 sri wtf?
17:59 sri where do these idiots come from?
17:59 marcus lol
17:59 marcus link?
17:59 purl i guess link is awesome.
17:59 sri https://twitter.com/#!/mitha​ldu/status/94099509298208768
18:01 marcus sri: Amusing
18:02 sri ABUSE TIME as mst would say, gonna catch him in the german perl channel
18:04 marcus sri: I just linked him to the actual perl trademark.
18:04 marcus sri: try using that one for merch :)
18:08 marcus sri: done biting his head off yet?
18:11 sri i just found out he forked modules and claimed copyright on them xD
18:11 sri clearly the right person to discuss licenses with
18:12 marcus yeah, I noticed he proclaimed himself a copyright law expert.
18:13 marcus sri: https://twitter.com/mithald​u/status/94100473476431872 :D
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18:22 sri xD
18:34 sri NOOOOOOOOOO
18:34 sri http://💩.la/
18:34 sri AAAAAAH
18:35 sri it had to happen
18:35 sri http://www.panic.com/blog/2011/0​7/the-worlds-first-emoji-domain/
18:37 marcus oh notes
18:37 marcus noes
18:38 marcus hmm
18:38 marcus I just wish someone would make safari with a omnibar.
18:39 marcus shouldn't be so hard to do based on webkit. :p
18:39 sri i've seen that yesterday
18:39 sri someone made a simbl using extension or so
18:40 marcus http://www.coderwall.com/marcusramberg # I for one welcome our new raptor overlords.
18:40 sri https://github.com/rs/SafariOmnibar
18:41 marcus sri++
18:41 * sri is scared of simbl though
18:41 sri it seems like black magic
18:43 marcus am running it now. will shout if it eats my cat.
18:44 perlrocks Twitter: "sudo sh -c "curl -L cpanmin.us | perl - Mojolicious"" --mapopa http://twitter.com/mapopa/status/94115611713601536
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19:39 marcus good day for perl pr imo.
19:39 marcus sri: mongodb? :)
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19:45 * sri pokes marcus back
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19:46 marcus sri: with what? :o
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19:46 sri marcus: with a 🌵
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19:48 marcus 🍻
19:49 sri 🍺
19:49 tempire lion terminal 256 colors confirmation?
19:50 * marcus drinking trashy blonde
19:50 sri confirmed
19:50 tempire \🍺/
19:50 sri it does more cool things too, you can drag directories into the terminal and stuff
19:50 tempire you can do that in leopard too
19:51 marcus I think the blur is cute.
19:52 marcus sri: how do you drag something to a fs app? Dock?
19:52 marcus bah, it opens a new window, not a new tab.
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19:53 sri marcus: http://www.macosxautomation.com/lion/terminal.html
20:04 sri marcus: you expected carton to be more too, right?
20:04 marcus sri: yes
20:04 marcus running a carton check now
20:05 sri guess we are both still hoping for someone to solve the unsolvable :)
20:08 sri wonder if one could abuse cpantesters to build binary distributions for all kinds of platforms
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20:10 mxey Hi. Am I correct in assuming that “chaining” under is not possible?
20:11 sri depends
20:11 sri function or method?
20:11 mxey Function
20:11 purl i guess Function is outputting text. I might be doing the output wrong though... As I put out a multiline string, I did: for (split /^/, $out) { $self->tell(mxey, $_);}
20:11 sri nope then
20:11 mxey So I need to switch away from Lite to make this work?
20:12 sri i think the big questions is why you would chain under in a lite app
20:13 mxey I have one under for handling authentication. I wanted to use the second one for reducing duplication in some routes below that
20:13 sri ok, no that won't work
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20:13 sri however
20:14 sri you could turn authentication into a normal sub and reuse that
20:14 mxey Good idea
20:14 sri return unless \&auth($self); or so
20:15 sri it's only one additional line
20:15 sri s/\//
20:16 sri the other would be "under \&auth;"
20:18 mxey Yes, that's working. Thank you.
20:18 sri \o/
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20:25 * marcus is watching wwdc xcode video. it's a impressive piece of software.
20:26 marcus would like something like that for perl/mojo :)
20:27 sri i would be happy with a maintained textmate alternative
20:27 sri ;)
20:40 marcus textmate versions and suspend/resume would be sweet.
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21:36 * xantus[] +1'd mojo on metacpan
21:43 marcus xantus[]: gg
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21:47 * alnewkirk|com too
22:25 marcus urgh, the textmate plugin for fs is buggy.
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22:50 marcus hmm, what's the easiest way to make mojo tell varnish to cache /public assets forever…
23:07 xantus[] expires header in the future
23:07 marcus hook into before static dispatch?
23:07 xantus[] ah yeah
23:20 alnewkirk|com Im gonna Ruby-on-Rails my Mojolicious framework
23:21 marcus I'm going to need to do some longpoll for a mobile html5 app.
23:21 marcus thinking comet, maybe iframe like crab did.
23:22 marcus ( http://toroid.org/ams/etc/​mojolicious-http-streaming )
23:23 marcus it's for a game.
23:32 marcus does mojo support http://cometdproject.dojotool​kit.org/documentation/bayeux ?
23:35 xantus[] ehehe
23:35 xantus[] would be nice
23:35 marcus yepp
23:36 marcus http://search.cpan.org/~ewaters/P​OE-Component-Server-Bayeux-0.02/
23:36 xantus[] I was actually rewriting the Bayeux spec for an internal project here
23:36 xantus[] I helped write the first one; see my name at the top :)
23:36 marcus xantus[]: sounds like you're the right man to implement it :p
23:37 xantus[] it would be fun
23:37 xantus[] are you going to use dojo on the client?
23:40 marcus jquery
23:41 marcus http://plugins.jquery.com/project/Comet
23:42 marcus hmm, looks a bit shaky :)
23:42 marcus http://plugins.jquery.com/f​iles/jquery.comet.js_4.txt
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23:43 marcus "The plugin is an implementation of the Bayeux protocol and currently supports long-polling (local server via AJAX) and callback-polling (remote server via XSS)."
23:44 marcus Please know that plugin is quite old and no longer maintained. Cometd now packages their own JS lib along with a jQuery interface plugin. – Morgan ARR Allen Mar 21 at 20:43 <- guess I will use that.
23:44 marcus woot, 23mb
23:45 * marcus is planning to do an all night hackathon
23:45 marcus if I don't run out of coffee.
23:45 marcus I want this quiz game to work :)
23:55 * marcus looks at the cometd distribution, wtfs a lot
23:59 marcus fucking mvn still running.

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