Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-07-24

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00:00 marcus fetching the title of 10.000 app homepages using the non blocking example from http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojoli​cious/Guides/Cookbook#Web_Scraping
00:01 marcus 11859 to be precise
00:30 perlrocks Twitter: "Getting the title of 10k mac app home pages using Mojolicious crawler. A bit late for spring cleaning." --marcusramberg http://twitter.com/marcusramb​erg/status/94927303951388672
00:30 sri haha
00:31 sri just make sure not to overload the server
00:31 sri it's considered rude not to take breaks and might get you blocked
00:32 marcus sri: I am hitting a bunch of different servers tho
00:32 marcus sri: just one request per app.
00:32 sri oh, i see
00:33 sri very good use case then, lots of latency
00:34 marcus mm. hopefully there won't be too many app store links at the end.
00:34 marcus might have to add a per host delay.
00:36 marcus We get an office slave from 1. august.
00:36 sri maybe you'll find some fun new test cases for Mojo::DOM :)
00:37 marcus Want to make here go through all the apps and flag suspicious/outdated ones.
00:37 marcus sri: maybe. Just using it to get the first <h1> atm
00:37 marcus hmm, I should also print the page title.
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00:50 sri you should
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03:00 xaka guys, i'm trying to start use websockets, but looks like there is some problem. I've downloaded xantus[] "echo" example and runned it. The last log message is "101 Switching Protocols" and client websocket status is always 0 (Chrome)
03:02 xaka i've tried it in Safari - it disconnectes client right after it connected
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03:32 xaka mmmmm, looks like Mojo switched to the latest websocket specification too early. Chrome and Safari still use draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-00
03:32 xaka they send Sec-WebSocket-Key1 and Sec-WebSocket-Key2 fields, but Mojo expects Sec-WebSocket-Key
03:33 xaka i believe there should be the check for Sec-WebSocket-Key1 and Sec-WebSocket-Key2 - if both are presented, use one implementation, if not - use the last
03:50 xaka ah, the same for web-socket-js, which is used in most of projects to fallback to Flash implementation
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04:54 crab isn't key1/key2 vs. key a protocol version difference?
05:00 xaka crab: true
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05:09 crab as sri has pointed out a few times, if someone wants to maintain a paarallel implementation of the old websocket standards, they can do so.
05:10 crab it's a pity that few browsers implement the current draft, but it's just a matter of time before they catch up.
05:11 xaka can do as a plugin of Mojo's core? because right now websocket in mojo is absolutely useless
05:15 xaka s/of/or
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05:26 crab right now websockets are pretty much useless
05:27 crab but i suppose you could implement it as a plugin (i'm not sure though)
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05:39 xaka why useless?
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06:15 crab poor interoperability.
06:15 crab only the latest firefox implements the latest version of the standard.
06:23 * mikegrb nods
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07:19 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious:: The move by ApacheCGI apps written in Lite, Basic authentication when a page to some of what I do I do" (ja) --memememomo http://twitter.com/memememo​mo/status/95030288719155200
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08:28 * crab shows his daughter the puking dinosaur, and is rewarded with much giggling
08:53 * sri giggles
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09:26 crab now she wants more. i've managed to distract her for a while with an old fritz lang film (metropolis).
09:33 sri and the EV backend is working too now, that means we'll support it out of the box in the next release :)
09:35 sri bye bye IO::Epoll and IO::KQueue
09:35 plu :)
09:36 crab are you preparing an epic release?
09:36 sri ye
09:36 sri ioloop is now 6 modules
09:37 sri and that's not counting the iowatchers
09:37 sri i'm trying the node.js eventemitter style
09:44 crab not committed yet?
09:44 sri nope, lots of documentation to write
09:52 sri something is very very wrong with lion though
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09:56 henq hi [newby to irc *and* mojolicious pls be gently] : I don't get embedded tempaltes to work. where do you put them? in main app package or controller?
09:56 sri by defult they are supposed to be in the "main" package
09:57 sri so neither MyApp nor MyApp::Controller would work out of the box
09:57 henq thx/ but in what file is that?
09:57 sri script/myapp i guess
09:57 sri you can change the class though
09:58 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolici​ous/Renderer#default_template_class
09:58 henq thx, now I have something to read next to my mornng coffee
09:58 sri or when calling render you can pass a template_class stash value
09:59 sri like $self->render('foo', template_class => __PACKAGE__);
10:00 sri henq: but actually, for a real Mojolicious app i would suggest using template files in the templates directory ;)
10:00 henq oh thx; is there a shortcut for "this packagge"  (it seems to me logical to want to put the template in the controller class where you call the render)
10:00 sri embedded templates are better for lite apps
10:00 henq yeah, i understand, but for quicky testing..
10:00 sri no shortcut, it's a rather uncommon use case
10:01 henq okay, yes, and then you just would have 1 package/file
10:01 sri template_class => __PACKAGE__ is the shortest
10:01 henq thx
10:02 sri "quicky testing" sounds more like a Mojolicious::Lite kinda job :)
10:03 henq i meant; whithin the controller; whatever ..just discovering....
10:42 sri oh, umlauts are fun in lion
10:43 crab liön?
10:44 sri liön!
10:44 sri you just keep o pressed for 2 seconds and get a little selection menu
10:45 sri ooooooooh nooooooooes got harder to type though
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10:51 crab sri: sounds like a mobile phone
10:51 crab is "6" one of the options in the selection menu? :)
10:54 henq hi, "script/my_mojo_app daemon --reload"   does not pick up changes in my controller class?
10:55 crab henq: use morbo script/my_mojo_app instead of daemon --reload
10:56 henq this irc thingy is fab!  thx crab
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11:09 crab henq: i just submitted a patch to make daemon --reload tell you to use morbo instead.
11:10 crab (the option was removed recently, and now does nothing)
11:11 sri hmm
11:11 sri i think the big question is where he found --reload
11:12 sri crab: s/app.pl/myapp.pl/
11:15 crab done
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11:16 GitHub9 [mojo] kraih pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/kraih/moj​o/compare/cc4e0d8...757a71c
11:16 GitHub9 [mojo/master] Issue a warning that 'daemon --reload' has no effect - Abhijit Menon-Sen
11:16 GitHub9 [mojo/master] Merge pull request #187 from amenonsen/master - Sebastian Riedel
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11:18 sri crab++ # for patch
11:18 sri crab-- # for not using perltidy
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11:19 GitHub162 [mojo/master] fixed formatting - Sebastian Riedel
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11:24 crab sri: wiki had two mentions, now removed.
11:25 sri oh damn
11:25 sri crab++
11:28 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious::Plugin::ShareHelpers version 0.5 released, now it supports google plus button :-) #Perl #Mojolicious http://t.co/fkmx58X" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/95093014891991041
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12:07 marcus ęxcéllènt
12:22 sri hmm, one problem with EV however
12:22 sri there can be only one
12:22 purl or two
12:22 sri nope, definitely not two!
12:22 sri so i have to cheat
12:23 sri only the first iowatcher can be ev, if there are more instantiated for blocking http requests and stuff we have to fallback to poll
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12:30 MisterHatt anyone got the link to the perlrocks code?
12:30 sri in my github repo
12:30 MisterHatt ah, thanks
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13:03 perlrocks Twitter: "Architecture dilemma; static HTML frontend + JS + JSON/Rest backend or combine the lot into one app... #perl #mojolicious" --perlninja http://twitter.com/perlninj​a/status/95116927239864321
13:05 MisterHatt heh, I tried something like that, then realised I suck at js
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14:14 sri and ev support is finished :)
14:14 MisterHatt nice
14:14 MisterHatt also
14:15 MisterHatt to add some init functionality to setup the db in a new app, better to add a subroutine to the script/myapp script or to include a module in the mojolicious::commands namesspace?
14:15 MisterHatt new app install rather
14:16 sri i'd go with a command
14:16 perlrocks Twitter: "We can specify basic authentication plug-in path http://t.co/imnwFYY. Here is an example I will use that in Example A of the bottom. Ares I is being developed because RT @ memememomo Mojolicious:: Move on ApacheCGI apps written in Lite" (ja) --jamadam http://twitter.com/jamadam​/status/95135330545565696
14:17 sri or actually i'm not sure
14:18 perlrocks Twitter: "Next #mojolicious release will use EV instead of IO::Epoll and IO::KQueue. #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/95135665162944513
14:19 MisterHatt hmm
14:20 MisterHatt I guess with a command I could add my an init module to the searchable namespaces and have access to my regular db connection and everything, but not like that's a big deal...
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14:40 * marcus ponders seeing priest.
14:42 * sri ponders killing apple
14:42 sri they are shipping apache2 without fastcgi
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14:48 janus` funny, i was looking at AnyEvent the other day and thought if that could make ense to use :)
14:49 janus` is now known as janus
14:49 marcus sri: wow. pretty lame. What about mod proxy?
14:49 sri that's included
14:50 sri or do you get fastcgi with the server package? ;p
15:22 mspo the EV vs AnyEvent war
15:22 crab EV vs AnyEvent?
15:23 crab is that like the emacs vs. banana war?
15:24 mspo well I was writing something with AnyEvent::IRC and had a question in ##perl on freenode
15:24 mspo and got all kinds of snark about how EV was the way blah blahblah
15:24 mspo but people keep releasing AnyEvent modules, so who knows
15:24 crab the whole point of anyevent is that you can use whatever event loop you want.
15:25 sri anyevent was made for ev
15:25 crab including EV, which anyevent actually prefers and recommends
15:25 sri its only purpose is to make all other perl event loops look poor compared to ev
15:25 crab so an EV vs. AnyEvent "war" makes no sense, especially since they were both written by the same erson, even.
15:26 mspo <shrug>
15:26 crab sri: which, well, they kind of are :-)
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15:38 sri crab: true ;p
16:42 perlrocks Twitter: "www/p5-Mojolicious - 1.64: - Update to 1.64  Changes:        http://search.cpan.org/dist/Mojolicious/Changes PR:... http://bit.ly/o6pt7l" --freshports_org http://twitter.com/freshports​_org/status/95171922815496192
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17:02 perlrocks Twitter: "mojolicious-plugin-sharehelpers - Mojolicious::Plugin::ShareHelpers - A Mojolicious Plugin for generate http://bit.ly/qokdUF" --github_pl http://twitter.com/github_p​l/status/95177157973786624
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18:26 GitHub122 [mojo/master] rewrote Mojo::IOLoop and added EV support - Sebastian Riedel
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18:26 sri \o/
18:26 sri huge commit
18:27 sri 1793 additions 1221 deletions :)
18:28 xaka ioloop?
18:28 purl i heard ioloop was 100% not the bottleneck, see microhttpd ;p
18:28 sri i'm sure there are countless new bugs
18:29 sri but the new architecture will make testing and fixing a lot easier
18:29 xaka what the main features?
18:29 sri open your eyes
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18:37 GitHub69 [mojo/master] fixed synopsis - Sebastian Riedel
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18:38 * marcus is thinking about bluetooth shoes
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18:38 GitHub64 [mojo/master] more documentation improvements - Sebastian Riedel
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18:39 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldo​c/Mojo/IOLoop/EventEmitter # this is how it all starts
18:39 sri then we have http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/IOLoop/Server.pm and http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/IOLoop/Client that spew handles
18:40 sri and http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/IOLoop/Stream to take care of the rest
18:40 sri they all use the node.js event emitter style
18:41 sri doubt those classes will get much attention, but it's fun and very easy to maintain
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18:45 GitHub36 [mojo/master] fixed many typos - Sebastian Riedel
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18:45 xaka "$e->on(foo => sub {...})" - in this case i dont know subroutine address so i cant do "$e->unsubscribe(foo => $cb)". May be on() should return id?
18:49 sri maybe
18:53 perlrocks Twitter: "And EV support has landed in #mojolicious, i'm sure there are many bugs, testing would be appreciated. ;) http://t.co/7PjE2OI #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/95205017291735041
18:54 xaka http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojo/IOWatcher/EV contains duplicated "remove" section
18:56 marcus sri++ # embracing the dark side
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18:56 GitHub51 [mojo/master] even more typos - Sebastian Riedel
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18:56 sri marcus: the dark side is where i am!
18:57 sri *puts feet on death star main console*
18:58 marcus my personal ruby fanboy informs me that eventmachine is much bigger than libev in the ruby community.
18:59 sri i actually don't like event machine much
18:59 sri it's really verbose
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19:00 ZadYree Hey folks
19:00 xaka hi
19:00 * sri waves
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19:01 sri marcus: have you seen ev in ruby?
19:01 marcus http://rev.rubyforge.org/rdoc/
19:02 sri yea, there's also a really ridiculous frontend :)
19:02 sri http://coolio.github.com/
19:03 marcus yea
19:03 marcus seen that
19:03 purl that was last seen on #perl 10 years, 156 days, 12 hours, 29 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: foo  [Feb 20 06:34:14 2001]
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19:14 sri sucks a bit that i can't do good stress tests on my macbook atm :/
19:15 sri especially watching memory usage tells me absolutely nothing
19:15 sri something is very very wrong though
19:21 sri httperf keeps segfaulting...
19:22 marcus sri: tried instruments?
19:23 sri nope
19:31 sri think i'll try ice cream first… and maybe the latest torchwood episode :)
19:31 sri and before that some weed
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19:34 marcus sri: might work! :)
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20:02 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-ShareHelpers 0.5 by SHARIFULN - http://metacpan.org/release/SHARIFULN​/Mojolicious-Plugin-ShareHelpers-0.5/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/95222435951034368
20:02 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious-Plugin-Mail 0.81 by SHARIFULN - http://metacpan.org/release/SHARIF​ULN/Mojolicious-Plugin-Mail-0.81/" --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_ne​w/status/95222443555295232
20:03 perlrocks Twitter: "Mojolicious::Plugin::Mail version 0.81 released, thanks isage http://t.co/Ie6aN9R #Perl #Mojolicious" --sharifulin http://twitter.com/shariful​in/status/95222497254973440
20:04 * yko wondering if UserAgent::_connected and UserAgent::_cache could be public
20:13 sri yko: doesn't seem to fit into the api
20:14 sri however, i've thought about putting cache into its own module
20:16 yko sri: i din't see way how it's possible to implement usage of different net interfaces (ie IPs) without touching _connect and _cache
20:17 yko well, say, it's possible without _cache, but i'm not sure what is worse: use private _connect or re-implement it in own code
20:18 sri just making it public won't work, it really needs to fit into the api
20:19 yko well, i believe you can find best solution
20:19 sri my main focus is mongodb again now i'm afraid :/
20:21 sri anyway, maybe it helps if i tell you what i've been thinking about
20:21 sri i would really like to have a modular connection layer
20:22 sri bit like LWP::Protocol, but non-blocking
20:22 sri so socks and stuff could be simple extensions
20:23 yko my main wish is to be able to manipulate connection and change params finaly passed to IOLoop->connect
20:24 sri i'm not opposed to that either, but we need a clean solution
20:24 yko ok, if i ever find one ill show it to you
20:25 sri i know you would be fine with ugly but supported too ;p
20:25 yko how mongodb goes, btw?
20:25 sri but that's just not how we roll
20:25 sri tricky, but i'm making progress
20:25 yko sri: actually i'm fine with ugly and 'almost' supported atm
20:26 sri well, then use the private methods
20:26 yko my stuff that uses _cache and _connect was damaged only at 1.59 which is actually surprised to me
20:26 sri that can happen
20:27 yko that's what i do now, but gonna experiment with ae::http on that point
20:27 yko wanna have some 'backup' :)
20:29 yko have good torchwood watching btw
20:29 sri how have they solved it?
20:30 yko don't know yet. i'm focused on ngx_http_psgi when i have free time :)
20:30 yko it's just a plans
20:32 yko i'm not 100% sure they actually solved that problem,  but i saw in docs something i could use for that purposes
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20:38 sri hmm
20:38 sri maybe i have an idea
20:39 marcus sri: Two mojolicio.us suggestions - shorter max-length for lines, and a little more line space.
20:39 marcus sri: via judofyr :)
20:40 sri yko: have you seen the new Mojo::IOLoop::* classes?
20:41 sri we could allow something like Mojo::IOLoop->singleton->client_​class('MyMojo::IOLoop::Client')
20:41 sri Mojo::IOLoop::Client handles establishing connections
20:41 sri you could subclass that
20:42 yko hmm. sounds interesting
20:42 sri that of course goes quite deep
20:42 sri everything using that one ioloop instance would use your class for connections
20:43 yko well, stuff that changes default interface, etc, should be hidden somewhere deep enough
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20:43 yko we should hide our pills so kids can't reach it.
20:45 yko tweaking connection on IOLoop level is a bit limiting, unlike tweaking at UserAgent level
20:45 marcus sri: http://stuff.judofyr.net/mojo.html
20:46 yko hey, 1/2 of my 1600 pixels are unused! :)
20:46 marcus it's a lot more readable on my 15"
20:46 sri judofyr++
20:46 yko haha. Grow your... display
20:46 sri marcus: make him send me a pull request :)
20:52 sri marcus: or at least nopaste a diff
20:52 marcus sri: I think he's on it. was complaining about your embedded md5 files :)
20:53 sri haha
20:53 marcus I mean base64
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21:07 GitHub82 [mojo/master] added a few experimental attributes to Mojo::IOLoop - Sebastian Riedel
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21:07 sri yko: there ya go
21:08 yko thanks, ill try it
21:12 sri those attributes are good for documentation purposes alone :)
21:12 sri connecting all the building blocks
21:14 yko i'm happy my needs are helpful making mojolicious better :D
21:16 marcus sri: u haz nopaste patch https://github.com/kraih/mojolicio.us/issues/1
21:16 sri I HAZ
21:16 sri I HAZ SCARED!
21:17 sri oh just an outer block
21:17 marcus yeah
21:17 marcus he just reindented
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21:18 judofyr marcus: embedded md5 files; now that would be impressing!
21:18 marcus judofyr: probably the best compression in the world!
21:19 judofyr sri: yeah, I wasn't sure if I should leave it un-indented or not
21:20 sri would have scared me less :)
21:20 judofyr true :)
21:21 sri but it does look a lot better, gonna apply it to the documentation browser too
21:21 judofyr ah, I wondered if there were more places it was used…
21:21 sri in case i manage to find all the actual changes ;p
21:21 judofyr hahaha
21:22 sri https://github.com/kraih/mojo/blob/master/​lib/Mojolicious/templates/perldoc.html.ep
21:22 judofyr as mentioned in the patch, only line 44 and 262 are actual changes in index.html.ep
21:22 sri that should be the one
21:23 sri 44 with what offset in the nopaste?
21:23 judofyr 44 in the new file
21:23 sri :S
21:23 marcus it's just a div
21:24 marcus and a little css
21:24 judofyr just add a <div id="wrapper"></div> around #perldoc
21:24 judofyr + the css changes
21:24 sri ah
21:24 sri judofyr++
21:24 judofyr !karma judofyr
21:24 marcus judofyr++
21:24 judofyr purl: karma judofyr
21:24 purl judofyr has karma of 3
21:25 marcus hmm
21:25 sri ok… but wrapper needs a more fancy name
21:25 judofyr I see you have karma'ed me behind my back :O
21:25 marcus <div id="world_domination">…</div>
21:25 * sri nods
21:26 judofyr id="wrapperlicious"
21:26 sri lol
21:26 judofyr isn't that how you roll? :)
21:26 sri that's how we roll
21:27 judofyr purl: karma marcus
21:27 purl marcus has karma of 398
21:28 judofyr just 389 to go!
21:28 marcus yeah, I changed my nick a few years back
21:28 marcus so I am also
21:28 marcus purl: karma draven
21:28 purl draven has karma of 210
21:28 judofyr 599 then…
21:28 marcus :)
21:28 sri purl: karma sri
21:28 purl sri has karma of 204
21:28 sri :(
21:29 marcus judofyr: remember you met mst in Oslo? The guy who had the perl vs ruby talk?
21:29 marcus purl: kama mst
21:29 purl marcus: what?
21:29 marcus purl: karma mst
21:29 purl mst has karma of 1935
21:29 judofyr marcus: I remember ;)
21:29 judofyr wow
21:29 judofyr mst++
21:29 marcus he joined this network long after me :-/
21:29 marcus :)
21:30 judofyr he better prepare for WWII!
21:30 ZadYree Q: Having "\n" in $foo, is there a way to translate it so something like <br> or &nbsp; without having mojo translating encoding them with html entities ?
21:30 yko just use <%== %>
21:31 ZadYree ah, ty!
21:31 sri rendering guide has a few more tricks for that too
21:31 yko you can find more at http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolic​ious/Guides/Rendering#Embedded_Perl
21:31 yko ye
21:31 sri yko++
21:31 yko btw, are torchwood episodes good enough now?
21:32 yko i stopped to watch it somewhere at 1 season finale
21:35 ZadYree thank you very much
21:35 ZadYree I'm reading it
21:35 yko anyway good night
21:35 ZadYree had read it but... I guess my eyes aren't what they used to be.
21:36 judofyr alright, good night folks! sri: good luck with my patch!
21:36 ZadYree same
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21:45 GitHub57 [mojo/master] improved documentation browser CSS - Sebastian Riedel
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21:46 sri and it's live
21:47 sri http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mojolicious/Lite # looks good there too
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21:51 GitHub42 [mojo/master] fixed formatting - Sebastian Riedel
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21:54 perlrocks Twitter: "I now have landed my first patch in a Perl project: http://t.co/2tVaNyK" --judofyr http://twitter.com/judofyr​/status/95250574534123521
21:59 marcus sri: yupp, the line length makes the text much more readable.
22:00 sri also the spacing
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22:03 GitHub199 [mojo/master] improved Mojolicious::Routes to automatically disable the routing cache if conditions are used - Sebastian Riedel
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22:04 sri too many problems with manual disabling
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22:28 GitHub117 [mojo/master] improved route constraint alternatives - Sebastian Riedel
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