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tempire |
use Sock; |
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garu |
is it really a good idea to make warnings fatal? I mean, I'm not against it in Mojo itself, but importing this setting to user apps by default? |
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garu |
or did I misunderstand the patch? |
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* tempire |
is the patch |
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* tempire |
is fatal |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Sakura's fastest Mojolicious Standard:: Lite application to move! http://lb.to/p48zGt" (ja) --wata_n http://twitter.com/wata_n/stat[…]00790071661305858 |
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sri |
garu: that's the whole point of the experiment, to find out how much fatal is too fatal |
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GitHub116 |
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GitHub116 |
[mojo/master] made all warnings non-fatal again - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
while i would like to try it, i don't see a sensible way to get people to use it without a very risky cpan release |
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jwang |
do people use 'dev' cpan releases? |
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sri |
but having peoples production apps possibly break on uniinitialized warnings after upgrading is just not worth it |
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sri |
jwang: nope |
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jwang |
I got the impression that a reasonable number of developers don't mind warnings |
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sri |
you mean warnings or fatal wanings? |
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jwang |
non-fatal warnings |
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jwang |
they know they are there and leave them be |
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sri |
well, we still have those activated |
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sri |
oh |
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sri |
yea, that would be a problem |
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jwang |
my Robohash module uses "no warnings 'portable'" b/c perl doesn't like to hex a string which apparently python does fine |
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jwang |
I tried to find another way to get rid of the warning but 'no warnings' was the perl monks recommendation I think ;) |
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GitHub174 |
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GitHub174 |
[mojo/master] documentation tweaks - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
:) |
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jwang |
I think I need to streamline my perl code. it pegs the CPU at 100% now :p |
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jwang |
I was getting a 0.2% error rate on my data processing so I made it more robust. but I may have also made it too slow ;) |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "[Perl] cpanm perlbrew install-Mojolicious Standard Sakura is the fastest / We also take you cpanm:: Lite application to move! - Cotton http://htn.to/EahTnL Blog" (ja) --hide_o_55 http://twitter.com/hide_o_55/s[…]00799208864489472 |
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crab |
"doesn't like to hex a string"? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Sakura's fastest Mojolicious Standard:: Lite application to move! - Cotton http://bit.ly/ng6mM1 Blog" (ja) --wPerlnews http://twitter.com/wPerlnews/s[…]00804009375436801 |
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marcus |
gooood morning |
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jwang |
morning marcus |
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jwang |
crab: that's what I recall. it was giving the right answer and the suggestion was don't worry about it if it's not portable |
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crab |
what does "hex a string" mean? |
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jwang |
convert a hex number to a dec number :) |
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purl |
I don't know how to convert a hex number to a dec number :). |
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jwang |
I'm guessing it's non-portable b/c the hex number won't convert properly on a 32-bit system |
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jwang |
is there any good way to get rid of that warning? |
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jwang |
other than 'no warnings'? |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojocast #1: Fun with clouds! - Create your first Mojolicious web app http://t.co/ZK4Ka5k" --jizaac http://twitter.com/jizaac/stat[…]00822893373558784 |
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Alias |
Error: Your internet policy forbids access to this page |
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Alias |
Splat |
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marcus |
Alias: woot? internet policy? |
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Alias |
marcus: Corporate fun filter |
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Alias |
Blocks video sharing sites |
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Alias |
So if you want anyone at any big company or government or university to access it, you need to host off YouTube |
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marcus |
Alias: this is vimeo |
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marcus |
Alias: I doubt most unis block video sites. that would not make sense |
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Alias |
marcus: High schools then |
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marcus |
big enterprise companies, I can believe… There's a reason I don't work for one of those. |
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Alias |
Vimeo is blocked in the same group as YourTube |
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sromanov |
mojocast #2 any soon? |
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marcus |
sromanov: yesterday |
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purl |
i guess yesterday is seemingly so far away |
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marcus |
;) |
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sromanov |
marcus: rlly? thanks! |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojocast #1: Fun with clouds! - Create your first Mojolicious web app: http://mojocasts.com/e1" --alex_voronov http://twitter.com/alex_vorono[…]00840630917410816 |
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marcus |
is it possible to use mojo begin/end with the TT Renderer? |
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sri |
absolutely not |
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marcus |
thought so |
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marcus |
guess one should use MACRO rather than content_for with TT |
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judofyr |
sri: any way (at all) to use content_for together with the TT Renderer? |
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sri |
prolly not |
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sri |
marcus should know tt better than me |
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marcus |
yeah, I know tt pretty well, just not sure how the helpers are implemented. |
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marcus |
sri: the TtRenderer stuffs all the helpers in h.* |
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sri |
http://mojolicio.us/perldoc/Mo[…]e_Template_Blocks |
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sri |
that explains it in detail |
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sri |
i guess tt doesn't give you that much detail |
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marcus |
it's probably better to just stick to TT blocks and macros if you are using TT |
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sri |
if tt allows you to somehow generate a sub you can use that [% c.content_for('lalala', sub { 'content' } ) %] |
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crab |
hi. |
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* sri |
waves |
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GitHub188 |
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GitHub188 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Released #mojolicious 1.73 with all the new #rest goodness, enjoy! :) http://t.co/oMNsfxf #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/statu[…]00870931404177408 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.73 by SRI - http://metacpan.org/release/SRI/Mojolicious-1.73/" (ms) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]00870969014484992 |
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sri |
wonder what's up with cpantesters |
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sri |
no new results in days |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "空目 Momoclo and to the extent that I was a messed up head Mojolicious" (ja) --sugyan http://twitter.com/sugyan/stat[…]00876302483079168 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "♺ @kraih: Released #mojolicious 1.73 with all the new #rest goodness, enjoy! :) http://t.co/oMNsfxf #perl" --Metztli_IT http://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/[…]00876583149113344 |
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marcus |
sri: I've a developer who gets 'Signal SIGTERM received, but no signal handler set.' on every second request when using morbo |
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marcus |
any ideas what might cause that? |
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sri |
not a clue |
| 10:32 |
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sri |
considering it's the first report i'd say broken perl ;p |
| 10:32 |
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sri |
signal screwups would a typical windows perl bug |
| 10:34 |
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sri |
is it strawberry? |
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marcus |
no, it's a mc |
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marcus |
mac |
| 10:34 |
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marcus |
one of the new MBAs |
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sri |
then that's just weird |
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marcus |
it was shipped with lion |
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marcus |
and it's using the system perl |
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marcus |
maybe try installing a new perl with perlbrew |
| 10:36 |
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sri |
i've just tried it, works flawless with system perl |
| 10:37 |
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sri |
must be his code |
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sri |
if he clears signals morbo would break |
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sri |
we do in fact use TERM |
| 10:38 |
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sri |
well, i guess it doesn't exactly break here, but would explain the message |
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marcus |
sri: he's running the same codebase as me, and I'm not seeing it |
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marcus |
I'm running 5.14.1 tho |
| 10:41 |
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marcus |
upgrading his perl now |
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marcus |
(I liked when I said it's a developer, it's arne ;-) |
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sri |
:) |
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crab |
who's arne? |
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purl |
arne is a madman ;^) |
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* sri |
hugs purl |
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* purl |
hugs sri back |
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sri |
\o/ |
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sri |
anyone else here having trouble with t/mojo/ioloop.t? |
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GitHub71 |
[mojo/master] improved ioloop.t - Sebastian Riedel |
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GitHub51 |
[mojo/master] added more tests to ioloop.t - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
ok, that should give me enough information next time a windows user has trouble with it |
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marcus |
enough to HUNT HIM DOWN? |
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marcus |
;) |
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sri |
! |
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GitHub199 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/oO0BaZ |
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GitHub199 |
[mojo/master] fixed typos - Sebastian Riedel |
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marcus |
sri: kinda looks like morbo does a full teardown on each request here now_ |
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marcus |
? |
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marcus |
sri: if we refresh quickly, it breaks |
| 11:22 |
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sri |
it always did |
| 11:22 |
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judofyr |
marcus: then don't refresh quickly: http://xkcd.com/242/ |
| 11:22 |
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sri |
and it's not breaking, just being offline for a little while |
| 11:22 |
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marcus |
sri: I mean, the browser fails to load it |
| 11:22 |
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sri |
not to mention that it has absolutely nothing to do with requests |
| 11:22 |
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marcus |
sri: I thought it looked for changed files, and *then* restarted |
| 11:23 |
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sri |
the parent does |
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marcus |
but there's no changed files |
| 11:23 |
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sri |
if the child breaks on requests it is your app |
| 11:23 |
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sri |
the parent only sends signals to the child and restarts it if necessary |
| 11:24 |
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sri |
entirely independednt from any requests |
| 11:24 |
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sri |
that's your app being a jerk :) |
| 11:24 |
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marcus |
sri: it seems it restarts after every request. Could it be it is looking in the log directory? |
| 11:25 |
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sri |
not by default |
| 11:25 |
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marcus |
hmm |
| 11:25 |
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marcus |
I think I know |
| 11:25 |
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sri |
but there's always MORBO_DEBUG=1 |
| 11:25 |
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judofyr |
marcus: could it be something about case-sensitive disk? |
| 11:25 |
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marcus |
it's the stupid f!#$%! tt renderer writing to a tmp/ dir |
| 11:25 |
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marcus |
inside the app |
| 11:25 |
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judofyr |
ah |
| 11:25 |
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sri |
lol |
| 11:27 |
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sri |
maybe morbo should have a verbose mode where it tells you what changed |
| 11:27 |
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sri |
besides MORBO_DEBUG=1 |
| 11:28 |
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marcus |
my $dir = $app && $app->home->rel_dir('tmp/ctpl'); |
| 11:28 |
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marcus |
that would be nice |
| 11:28 |
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marcus |
grr,, ('tmp/ctpl') seems pretty hardcoded |
| 11:28 |
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sri |
wait |
| 11:28 |
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sri |
that shouldn't be in the watch path by default |
| 11:29 |
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marcus |
sri: in my app home is in lib/ |
| 11:29 |
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marcus |
to be able to package it as a .deb |
| 11:30 |
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marcus |
lib/MeeTV/Web5/tmp/ctpl/ |
| 11:31 |
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sri |
oh |
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GitHub141 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/rn93js |
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GitHub141 |
[mojo/master] added experimental --verbose flag to Morbo - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
marcus: there ya go |
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marcus |
thanks. I also have a pull request for ask to stop using tmp/ctpl |
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GitHub90 |
[mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://bit.ly/nRIeBl |
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GitHub90 |
[mojo/master] new slogan - Sebastian Riedel |
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marcus |
wow, buzzword compliant |
| 11:57 |
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marcus |
I would drop perl and html5 :p |
| 11:57 |
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sri |
:o |
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marcus |
Duct Tape for the Web! |
| 11:58 |
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sri |
hmm |
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sri |
you kinda have a point |
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GitHub89 |
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GitHub89 |
[mojo/master] even newer slogan - Sebastian Riedel |
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marcus |
sri++ |
| 12:01 |
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sri |
marcus++ |
| 12:01 |
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judofyr |
judofyr++ |
| 12:01 |
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judofyr |
:( |
| 12:02 |
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arne |
no duct tape |
| 12:02 |
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sri |
*crickets* |
| 12:02 |
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arne |
duct tape is a crappy fix |
| 12:02 |
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sri |
NO! |
| 12:02 |
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sri |
arne ruined it :( |
| 12:02 |
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sri |
duct tape is the best tool ever... |
| 12:02 |
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arne |
for doing shitty repairs |
| 12:02 |
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sri |
have you never watched macgyver? |
| 12:03 |
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arne |
of course |
| 12:03 |
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marcus |
Mojolicious - Swiss Army Chainsaw for the Web. |
| 12:03 |
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marcus |
. Two decades later, well-known hacker Henry Spencer described the Perl scripting language as a “Swiss-Army chainsaw” |
| 12:04 |
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marcus |
http://www.catb.org/jargon/htm[…]rmy-chainsaw.html |
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marcus |
http://www.markkeating.me.uk/2[…]ss-army-chainsaw/ |
| 12:04 |
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marcus |
I guess mst has trademark on the chainsaw :) |
| 12:04 |
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sri |
it's a shitty slogan though ;p |
| 12:05 |
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arne |
Mojolicious - Perl development can be fun again. |
| 12:05 |
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sri |
everybody loves duct tape |
| 12:05 |
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arne |
yeah |
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* sri |
duct tapes arne to the channel wall |
| 12:05 |
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arne |
but it doesn't help the view of perl as being hacky |
| 12:05 |
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marcus |
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives[…]ctTapeWallBed.jpg |
| 12:05 |
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sri |
:D |
| 12:06 |
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arne |
I saw this guy setting the world record for duct taping himself to a wall. |
| 12:06 |
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judofyr |
duct taping himself to Wall? |
| 12:06 |
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marcus |
http://thezac.com/ducttape/ |
| 12:06 |
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sri |
actually hacky is good imo, perl oneliners are one of the best features ever! |
| 12:06 |
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sri |
judofyr++ |
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arne |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdC7HBuPllY |
| 12:06 |
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judofyr |
purl++ |
| 12:07 |
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marcus |
http://www.octanecreative.com/[…]tape/walltapings/ |
| 12:07 |
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arne |
Mojolicious - duck taping for the web. |
| 12:07 |
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arne |
could make for an interesting logo. |
| 12:08 |
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marcus |
arne: also a fun pun on duck typing |
| 12:10 |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "Mojolicious 1.74 by SRI - http://metacpan.org/release/SRI/Mojolicious-1.74/" (ms) --cpan_new http://twitter.com/cpan_new/st[…]00901826378989569 |
| 12:15 |
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mhi |
So, what do you think of duct tape programming? - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/[…]s/2009/09/23.html |
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sri |
:) |
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sri |
some inconsistencies though |
| 12:22 |
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sri |
tests are actually crucial for release early release often imo |
| 12:22 |
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Alias |
That more or less describes me, I think |
| 12:22 |
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Alias |
Well, not entirely |
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I ship slowly, and my stuff is still simple |
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Alias |
:) |
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Alias |
But I do ship relentlessly |
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crab |
i wonder what could cause a browser to not return a cookie i've sent it, assuming the user hasn't done anything to stop it. |
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crab |
the only reason i can think of is that the system time is set incorrectly, so it thinks the cookie has expired. |
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crab |
is there anything else? |
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sri |
cookies disabled |
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stephan48 |
signed cookie? |
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sri |
rewriting proxy in between that messes with cookies |
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sri |
and and and :) |
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GitHub58 |
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GitHub58 |
[mojo/master] fixed typos - Sebastian Riedel |
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crab |
stephen48: yes |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "And the new official #mojolicious slogan is "duct tape for the web" (thanks @marcusramberg). :) http://t.co/O7rrjrk #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/statu[…]00909653004795904 |
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stephan48 |
crab: maybe mojo throws it out cause of wrong sig? |
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crab |
stephan48: why would the sig be wrong? |
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stephan48 |
idk |
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stephan48 |
it could be, idk why |
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stephan48 |
i believe you could make the core tell it to you |
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stephan48 |
when it discards a cookie |
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sri |
hope that makes it clear :) |
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[mojo/master] more verbose example - Sebastian Riedel |
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sri |
hmm |
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sri |
now that i'm actually working with it i kinda like content negotiation :) |
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sri |
the idea to use custom mime types is neat too |
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sri |
http://blog.steveklabnik.com/2[…]rest-or-http.html |
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sri |
http://blog.steveklabnik.com/2[…]est-and-http.html |
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sri |
good read |
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judofyr |
sri: you want Mojo to end up on that second blog post? :) |
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judofyr |
sri: also from the same author: http://timelessrepo.com/haters-gonna-hateoas |
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judofyr |
steveklabnik++ |
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sri |
no and indeed |
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sri |
first time i've seen a real rest api was actually in riak i think |
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sri |
actually i don't think many of our users will use respond_to with the Accept header |
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sri |
they will just stick with route formats |
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sri |
Accept support will just be a freebie that comes as a bonus |
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elb0w_ |
sri: need faster mojocasts imo |
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sri |
watch in fast forward? |
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elb0w_ |
I mean more out faster |
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elb0w_ |
:o |
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sri |
you need to poke tempire for that |
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elb0w_ |
tempire: more more |
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sri |
but a slow pace is good imo, keeps them special and prevents tempire from burning out ;) |
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stephan48 |
sri: thanks for pointing me to these posts :) |
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stephan48 |
maybe accept headers really could help me :) |
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elb0w_ |
argh |
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elb0w_ |
so agravated |
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sri |
however, if you buy him Motion 5 he might make a dozen screencasts over the weekend to play with effects :D |
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sri |
stephan48: it's the puristic approach, pragmatists generally prefer .json and .xml in the path |
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sri |
the clue is that we have both just working™ |
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stephan48 |
:) |
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crab |
i like accept headers more than .json and .xml in the path |
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crab |
but i use them both when i have to |
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crab |
can i be a purigmatist? |
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elb0w_ |
sri: motion 5? |
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elb0w_ |
How about a pirated version? :P |
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sri |
http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/motion/ |
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sri |
crab: don't think so |
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elb0w_ |
sri: I have a torrent of motion 5? |
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elb0w_ |
:D |
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sri |
heh |
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crab |
sri: you are so mean. |
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sri |
:( |
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sri |
http://movelang.org # oh, another alternative to coffeescript |
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sri |
looks really weird though |
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elb0w_ |
how can it be v0.0.0 |
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elb0w_ |
it doesnt exist? |
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sri |
says v0.4.3 |
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tempire |
I concur with sri's assessment: someone should buy me motion |
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tempire |
the rails casts videos are served from a $10/m dream host account |
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tempire |
Alias: Upcoming episodes will likely use the video tag |
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tempire |
which will give me the ability to do chapter shortcuts |
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tempire |
that could be good for mojolicious docs, too, since you can specify when to start and stop the video |
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xantus[] |
you need hosting? |
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tempire |
xantus[]: I'd like to serve the videos from somewhere |
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tempire |
so yes |
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xantus[] |
I have dh also |
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tempire |
the vim casts dude approached a sponsor and they agreed to host videos |
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xantus[] |
are you looking to stay away from youtube, etc? |
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tempire |
youtube is ugly |
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xantus[] |
or go with something custom, html5 |
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tempire |
and they always have those bobo ads |
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xantus[] |
maybe scripted examples, that show up at timeframes |
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xantus[] |
yeah, ads suck |
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tempire |
I chose vimeo 'cause it's pretty, fits the mojo theme |
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tempire |
Yeah, I want html5. I've been toying with mediaelementjs.com to fall back to flash |
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tempire |
the scripting for chapter shortcuts is already working |
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xantus[] |
very nice |
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xantus[] |
I dream of a extjs 4 desktop with a full docs api for mojo |
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xantus[] |
...maybe even videos, and tutorials |
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xantus[] |
ace editor with examples |
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xantus[] |
hell, run mojo in jslinux |
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xantus[] |
totally doable |
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tempire |
Yesterday, I had a total n00b go through the mojocasts. It occurred to me that it takes a fair bit of knowledge just to understand the first one |
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tempire |
Was thinking of a primer that went through only what was needed |
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tempire |
if a person, say, had just sat down with a mac for the first time and didn't know what a terminal was |
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tempire |
0 to web app in 5 minutes |
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tempire |
ohh |
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tempire |
that's kind of a good slogan |
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sri |
sounds awesome |
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xantus[] |
the web desktop could be a great portal for that kind of thing |
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xantus[] |
you start with just the editor and an iframe window |
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xantus[] |
that runs mojo in jslinux |
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xantus[] |
and they make changes, and it does everything else for them |
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xantus[] |
to cut out the barriers that can slow new people |
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sri |
that sounds crazy :) |
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xantus[] |
LIKE A FOX |
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tempire |
I was looking into bespin for that a while ago |
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tempire |
er, skywriter now |
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sri |
bespin is now ace |
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sri |
they changed names a few more times ;p |
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sri |
but they recently added perl support |
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tempire |
they seemed to have dropped the effort |
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tempire |
it was getting so nice |
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tempire |
at least as a service |
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sri |
http://ace.ajax.org/ |
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xantus[] |
its on github |
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tempire |
vim keybindings, neat |
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tempire |
well, some of them |
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purl |
some of them are pretty funny |
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sri |
http://ajaxorg.github.com/ace/[…]kitchen-sink.html # demo |
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tempire |
yeah, using it now |
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tempire |
wonder why the social response in the first mojocast was so much greater |
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sri |
that's easy, nobody had seen it before |
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elb0w_ |
any idea why this keeps being false? http://pastie.org/2346023 |
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xantus[] |
ok then...my next hack will to get mojo, git and perl into a jslinux kit |
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yko |
reverse @xantus |
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xantus[] |
parc ho |
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tempire |
do it |
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xantus[] |
lleh eht tahw |
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sri |
reverse @xantus |
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xantus[] |
thanks :) |
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sri |
\o/ |
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yko |
-_- |
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yko |
he was so funny |
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sri |
tempire: the hype will slowly fade and you'll start to build up more of a regular following i think |
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* tempire |
wants the hype |
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sri |
the hype never lasts :,( |
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tempire |
but I'll settle for reputation |
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tempire |
I'm hype! |
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* tempire |
is hype about the mojolicious community |
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tempire |
xantus[]++ yko++ sri++ marcus++ |
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tempire |
elb0w_++ alnewkirk++ |
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sri |
tempire++ # grouphug! |
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tempire |
crab++ |
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yko |
wow |
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alnewkirk |
nice |
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yko |
anyone here who uses mojo.vim and snipmate together? |
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tempire |
me |
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sri |
mojo.vim yes, snipmate no |
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sri |
guess i should… hmm |
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tempire |
although I haven't used it since they separated the snippets from snipmate |
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yko |
i don't know if adding snippets was so good idea |
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tempire |
I think it is |
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tempire |
unless they cause problems, of course |
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yko |
but since they are and don't bother anyone ill just left it as is |
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* alnewkirk |
using komodo which when debugging the mojolicious app->start script, lets you step through the entire process |
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yko |
they even not being loaded unless snipmate plugin is installed |
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sri |
can't go wrong with the most common ones like lite actions and template tags |
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alnewkirk |
god i love mojolicious and activestate |
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tempire |
would be cool to have an under authentication snippet, I think |
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alnewkirk |
mojojitsu coming soon :} |
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* sri |
wonder why everybody wants to be a ninja again |
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sri |
*+s |
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alnewkirk |
ninjas are cool, historically |
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alnewkirk |
... except to the people they kill i suppose |
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sri |
i thought ever since recruiters started looking for $language ninjas it became uncool |
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* sri |
wants to be a Perl Pirate |
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tempire |
Stick with the super villain moniker |
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tempire |
it suits you |
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yko |
tempire, under is out of mojo.vim scope. mojo.vim acts only in ep/epl space (at least it should), but you may want to define your own perl.snippets |
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* alnewkirk |
envys the Perl Super-Villain moniker |
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tempire |
alnewkirk: You could be a super villain too |
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tempire |
you have to apply |
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tempire |
it's a league |
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tempire |
You have to summarily alienate an entire community |
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sri |
being evil is hard work |
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tempire |
then return and dominate |
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alnewkirk |
I am already also hated in the Perl community, but not for developing kick-ass code everyone envys |
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alnewkirk |
... for having kick-ass ideas that buck the traditional of oft-times lame ass approach to getting things done |
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yko |
tempire++ # thx for using in mojocasts,it makes ep code looks better |
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* tempire |
is a kick-ass idea |
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tempire |
There's really no question. It makes working with lite templates aesthetically tolerable. |
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sri |
too bad vim doesn't do nested scopes |
| 18:05 |
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yko |
btw, files in mojo templates became folds if you use folding |
| 18:05 |
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sri |
like giving embedded perl code in templates a different background color |
| 18:05 |
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yko |
oh yes... i was looking for do something like that in a good way... |
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sri |
don't think it's possible, at least the rails folks have not managed that yet |
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sri |
http://twitpic.com/3famlf/full # like this |
| 18:12 |
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yko |
yes, just like that. i was looking to find a good way to highlight perl abckground inside of html |
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elb0w_ |
tempire: did you message me on freenode? |
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elb0w_ |
had a msg from you with ? |
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tempire |
yes |
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elb0w_ |
sup? |
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purl |
Yo dawg |
| 18:14 |
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tempire |
coordinating up votes for the release yesterday |
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elb0w_ |
ah |
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perlrocks |
Twitter: "The Making of Mojocasts http://t.co/7aLNGts #perl #mojolicious" --tempiretech http://twitter.com/tempiretech[…]00996763170783233 |
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sri |
that smells retweet worthy |
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sri |
awww |
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sri |
fresh link leads to "this video is not available in your region" |
| 18:41 |
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tempire |
riaa hates germany, I guess |
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* sri |
nods |
| 18:42 |
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sri |
but those cookies look delicious |
| 18:44 |
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sri |
can i actually buy you cookies? |
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tempire |
YES!!!1 |
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sri |
HOW? |
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tempire |
When it asks for the address, put in "Glen. Yes, that Glen" |
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sri |
-.- |
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* tempire |
is serious |
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sri |
tempire: peanut butter cookies are on the way :) |
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tempire |
\o |
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tempire |
o/ |
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tempire |
\o/ |
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sri |
i just wrote glen into every field though ;p |
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tempire |
good enough |
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tempire |
I wonder if there's a way to set up a button to order something from etsy |
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sri |
if the seller is your girlfriend or so you might want to renegotiate shipping costs though |
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tempire |
I do know the person, but they are many many miles away |
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sri |
ah |
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sri |
interesting, you can actually have a donate button in the metacpan profile |
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jwang |
nic |
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jwang |
nice |
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jwang |
what do they use? PayPal? |
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sri |
you enter your paypal id and it generates the button |
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jwang |
I actually think search.cpan.org is much more legible than metacpan |
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jwang |
meta cpan is too much white |
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sri |
blasphemy! |
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sri |
seriously, i'm done with search.cpan.org |
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jwang |
it's just everything floating in a sea of white |
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elb0w_ |
haha |
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jwang |
more contrast in the code blocks and darker separator bars would help |
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elb0w_ |
got my sister a singing telegram today |
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elb0w_ |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWcp7H0fCnM |
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sri |
it surely can be improved, but is a lot better already imo |
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sri |
elb0w_: lol |
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jwang |
nice! |
| 19:39 |
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sri |
WTF |
| 19:39 |
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jwang |
well, I still prefer searchcpan |
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jwang |
I hope it stays |
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elb0w_ |
hahaha |
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elb0w_ |
so funny |
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elb0w_ |
didnt think it would be that good |
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elb0w_ |
$189 |
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jwang |
that's hilarious |
| 19:46 |
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jwang |
it's nice they have paypal and google+ |
| 19:46 |
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jwang |
+1 |
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purl |
1 |
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jwang |
code highlighting and table columns for module lists would help me a lot |
| 19:48 |
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jwang |
right now the module names and descriptions are concatenated together which makes it harder to read than search.cpan |
| 19:48 |
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jwang |
I should post those suggestions to github |
| 19:50 |
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sri |
indeed |
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sri |
there's also a huge channel already |
| 19:51 |
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sri |
#metacpan |
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tempire |
looks like ny is looking for perl developers |
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tempire |
shutter stock uses 58, though |
| 19:57 |
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tempire |
and buzzfeed doesn't use a framework for anything. all custom stuff. |
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jwang |
ny? 58? |
| 19:57 |
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tempire |
new york |
| 19:57 |
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purl |
o/` a helluva town o/` |
| 19:57 |
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tempire |
perl 5.8 |
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jwang |
ah |
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jwang |
new york = city of new york? |
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tempire |
yes |
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jwang |
there are bunch of interesting startups in ny |
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jwang |
many perl shops seem to be on older perl |
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jwang |
the pgsql conference asked for framework presenters at this year's conference |
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jwang |
they list perl 5 above ruby but below python |
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jwang |
and mention catalyst/bricolage |
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jwang |
it's interesting they specfically say "Perl5" but don't get versions for Python, Ruby, Java, etc. |
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sri |
theory is prolly involved |
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jwang |
makes sense |
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purl |
it has been said that makes sense is http://xrl.us/bjq3kq |
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jwang |
my two metacpan suggestions are now on github |
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xantus[] |
elb0w_: that is cruel! |
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elb0w_ |
haha worth every penny |
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rhaen |
hello world. |
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purl |
hello world. are you here? |
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xantus[] |
hi |
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