Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #mojo, 2011-08-31

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00:36 tempire heroku is expanding
00:36 tempire https://postgres.heroku.com/
00:37 tempire the heroku website makes me want to use one of their supported languages.
00:40 alnewkirk potential bug found, paste-to-come
00:40 tempire what a cloud service really needs is a web-based ide.  something that supports plugins in whatever language you're writing in.
00:50 alnewkirk tempire, sri, http://paste.scsys.co.uk/138612
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01:09 alnewkirk I get premature connection close, curl works fine, ... trying to trace the error
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04:43 sri ptinsley: perl has a recursion limit, if it doesn't work you have a perl problem
04:48 sri perl -E'use warnings FATAL => 'all'; sub foo { foo() } foo()'
04:48 sri if recursion is a problem you have a lot just make the warning fatal
05:00 tempire sri: do you know anything about b::concise?
05:04 sri tempire: can you be more specific?
05:10 tempire I'm trying to figure out how to capture the primitives from perl code.  I suspect that b::concise output, i.e. https://gist.github.com/1182550 from https://gist.github.com/1182548, can be translated back and forth.
05:12 tempire though I'm trig to figure out what the commands, like sassign, const, padsv, etc, represent.  They seem like c functions, but the names don't map directly to functions in the perl source.
05:12 tempire I suspect there's a ideal place to ask these questions, but I'm not sure where that is.
05:16 sri they are ops
05:17 sri dunno if you can translate is back into bytecode, wouldn't be surprised though
05:17 sri s/s/t/
05:18 sri those ops are what perl actually interprets and what the compiled bytecode represents
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05:19 tempire so normal perl source is translated to those ops, and then the interpreter goes to work.
05:19 sri ye
05:19 tempire are there docs for those ops?
05:20 tempire hmm.  I guess p5p is the place for this sort of thing.
05:20 * sri nods
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05:34 alnewkirk not sure if you guys saw my earlier post
05:35 alnewkirk potential issue with posting json data in the post body
05:37 tempire I tried my own version of it.
05:37 tempire worked fine for me
05:38 alnewkirk :/ ok
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05:40 alnewkirk tempire, can you paste your ver
05:46 tempire https://gist.github.com/1182897
05:47 tempire posted to "perl -Mojo -MData::Dumper -e 'a(any "/" => sub { $_[0]->render_text(warn +Dumper $_[0]) })->start' daemon"
05:53 alnewkirk thats a different use-case
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06:48 xantus[] http://www.phantomjs.org/
06:54 tempire woah
06:54 tempire that right there is the shizzle
06:56 * marcus sips tea
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07:04 zakame hi hi
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07:13 noganex i wonder why it says "headless" and then requires qt...
07:14 noganex (which really sucks on mac)
07:22 stephan48 qt-webkit?
07:25 tempire works pretty well
07:25 tempire even on a mac
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07:40 noganex tempire: yes, but compiling qt on a mac is a pain in the...
07:40 tempire use homebrew
07:40 tempire easy peasy
07:41 noganex na.. i mean it really takes long
07:43 tempire guess I'm spoiled
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08:06 tempire Well.  I have access to a russian server for hosting mojocasts.
08:06 tempire this is how the commies take over
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08:07 * tempire peers suspiciously across the pacific
08:08 sri :)
08:11 stephan48 :)
08:11 tempire :)
08:11 stephan48 i could have offered you some traffic and storage :)
08:12 tempire I'm not sure the russian server is going to work, the latency is really high
08:12 crab stephan48: at hetzner?
08:12 stephan48 try to ping linuxrulz.de
08:12 stephan48 ye
08:13 * crab likes hetzner
08:13 stephan48 yap
08:13 stephan48 it just annoys me that they raised their ip prices drastically
08:13 tempire maybe that's just the way it is when you go across the ocean
08:13 crab again?
08:13 purl That trick never works! or see "yet again"
08:13 tempire 'round 200ms from california
08:14 tempire the russian server is around 350ms
08:14 tempire latency may not necessarily matter, though, either.
08:14 tempire I'll have to experiment
08:14 marcus needs moar CDN
08:14 tempire actually, this might work out after all
08:14 marcus tempire: do geodns? :)
08:15 tempire yeah, that's what I was thinking.
08:15 tempire stephan48: I presume from the domain your servers are in germany
08:15 crab tempire: yes
08:17 stephan48 yap
08:17 tempire now all I need is a japanese host and we've got all the target markets
08:17 stephan48 crab: from onetime setup free of 70 euros for a /26 to 70 euros per month for a 26/
08:18 stephan48 tempire: ye hetzner rz10 falkenstein
08:18 stephan48 as saied when it comes to download load balancing i could offer a mirrorbrain instance
08:19 tempire not familiar
08:19 tempire looking...
08:19 stephan48 its a load balancer with mirror scanning and asn/ip/lookation based redirecting
08:19 tempire well bam
08:19 stephan48 mh?
08:19 purl i heard mh was a unix commandline-based mail user agent or at http://www.ics.uci.edu/~mh/ or Men's Health magazine or a "women's magazine" for men or Getty's way of saying hm or your way of saying hm
08:19 * tempire starts paying attention
08:19 stephan48 i installed it once for testing :)
08:20 stephan48 whats your ping to stejau.de?
08:20 stephan48 (different server, different DC)
08:20 tempire same as the other .de
08:20 stephan48 k
08:21 tempire I'm assuming it's <50 from anywhere in europe
08:21 tempire marcus?
08:21 purl hmmm... marcus is pretty sure lisp adoption is being hampered by being named after a speech defect. or http://picasaweb.google.com/olga.r​amberg/Lisboa#5240395957801479314 or a moose farmer?
08:21 marcus tempire: yeah, likely
08:22 marcus crossing the atlantic costs
08:22 stephan48 around 25
08:22 stephan48 yap
08:22 stephan48 from here at work/at home
08:22 tempire and germany's right in the center of europe.
08:22 tempire sweet
08:22 stephan48 :)
08:22 tempire germany++ for convenient placement
08:23 tempire glad they planned this all out in advance
08:23 stephan48 hehe
08:23 stephan48 maybe we could make a call on mailinglists/twitter for people who are willing to host?
08:23 tempire sri already did
08:23 stephan48 and then maybe inventing some mojocdn software ;)
08:24 stephan48 ah
08:24 stephan48 cool
08:24 tempire that's where the russian hookup came from
08:24 tempire straight outta moscow
08:24 stephan48 cool
08:24 stephan48 got an ip?
08:25 tempire 62.140.250.206
08:29 stephan48 50ms :)
08:29 stephan48 from work con/servers and around 70 from my homserver(behind wlan)
08:30 marcus 50 from norway
08:31 tempire so europe is covered
08:34 tempire this is much too exciting for my american sensibilities.
08:34 tempire I'm off to bed.
08:51 noganex i'm in the dead center of germany and i'd rather move to the office in firence...
08:52 judofyr some people have no faith in Perl :-(
08:52 judofyr 10:50 judofyr: it's not that bad really: http://mojolicio.us/
08:52 judofyr 10:51 jdhartley: dude. its got a rainbow
08:52 judofyr 10:51 elliottcable: |=
08:52 judofyr 10:51 elliottcable: dude, it’s in *perl*
08:52 judofyr 10:51 elliottcable: in *2011*
08:52 judofyr 10:51 elliottcable: what is this, even
08:52 * noganex likes rainbows.
08:54 zakame hmmm, stupid poeple, in *2011*?
08:54 zakame lol
09:11 marcus what a rube
09:11 purl a rube is bda's favorite character by far.
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09:14 sri hmm, sublime text has vi keybinds too now :o
09:15 sri well, truth is perl will still eb around long after all ruby hipsters moved on to coffeescript
09:17 sri but all languages have their fair share of ignorant pricks :)
09:18 marcus we certainly have ours :)
09:20 sri http://garry.posterous.com/how-st​eve-jobs-handles-trolls-wwdc-1997 # !
09:20 crab judofyr: was it really necessary to paste all that?
09:21 judofyr six lines? when it comes to code, I'm very pro nopaste, but
09:25 xxtjaxx_ sri: coffescript == ruby++ ? print "True" : print "False" ;
09:26 sri True
09:26 judofyr xxtjaxx_: print coffeescript == ruby++ ? "true" : "false"
09:26 judofyr print (coffeescript == ruby++).toString
09:28 marcus judofyr: can you golf it?
09:28 marcus :)
09:29 crab sri: so you're saying coffeescript is ruby?
09:29 xxtjaxx_ sri.why(coffeescript > ruby)?
09:30 zakame people bacme evalbots?
09:30 xxtjaxx_ crab: ruby++ massive distinction :)
09:30 zakame *became
09:30 crab xxtjaxx: ruby++ increments ruby and returns its old value :-)
09:31 sri learning one language is easier than learning two languages, that's reason enough for many young hipsters
09:31 xxtjaxx_ crab: oh damn.
09:32 xxtjaxx_ sri: by now I learned prolly enough different languages. yet I do not speak them fluently in most cases...
09:33 sri xxtjaxx_: are you a young ruby hipster?
09:33 xxtjaxx_ What makes me stay long enough with perl is that i find it is vast. extremely vast.
09:34 xxtjaxx_ sri: nope never touched a ruby yet.
09:34 judofyr is this the worst or the best JavaScript code you've ever seen? http://i.ell.io/mbaR
09:35 xxtjaxx_ judofyr: what in all loveable gods name have you done to the right? The left is allright fine with me...
09:36 judofyr it's not my code :)
09:36 noganex i'm always a bit scared by javascript...
09:36 xxtjaxx_ sri: I went from vb.net to c# to c/c++ to shell and perl and lisp and a lot of various stuff.
09:36 crab heh. i opened that link in lynx and was reading the image-displaying javascript served with the page until i realised that the screenshot code is what i should've been looking at.
09:37 xxtjaxx_ lol
09:39 sri anyway, what i was going at is that the javascript wave will cost ruby and php many hipsters, while perl and python are mostly immune at this point
09:39 xxtjaxx_ sri: so less a hipster more a curious traveler of these vast vast lands. resting for now and procrastening in perl valley...
09:40 sri xxtjaxx_: i think acmeism is becoming rather popular with perl folks
09:40 sri and for good reason
09:40 crab what is acmeism?
09:40 purl acmeism is probably becoming rather popular with perl folks
09:41 crab that clears it up.
09:41 sri perl is amazing glue, only makes sense to combine it with other languages
09:41 * sri hugs purl
09:41 * purl smiles
09:41 sri ingy coined the term
09:42 noganex A Company that Makes Everything? ;)
09:42 sri http://acmeism.org/
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09:45 noganex i think i can go on writing code without being an "acmeist" ;)
09:46 marcus sri: sublime text doesn't support replace mode either :/
09:46 marcus fuck vi without replace mode
09:48 crab it's at least a little sad that i haven't heard of any of those acmeist projects except yaml
09:48 * xxtjaxx_ likes his emacs.
09:52 * marcus is an acmeist
09:54 marcus my problem with ingyware is that he doesn't believe in maintaining stuff
09:54 marcus just likes inventing new crazy things
09:55 sri maintaining is hard, lets invent?
09:58 zakame things like IO::All and pQuery?
10:04 cosimo sri: or go shopping
10:04 sri shopping is hard, lets go inventing!
10:16 marcus sri: yes.
10:36 * xxtjaxx_ just looked at IO::All the first time now. Because he was curious... Now: He regrets eating so much for lunch.
10:43 marcus death to all imperialist opressors!
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10:47 perlrocks Twitter: "#mojolicious hack of the day: #css4. http://t.co/rEYyJZL #perl" --kraih http://twitter.com/kraih/status/108853382877413376
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10:52 sri http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/k​02f4/mojolicious_hack_of_the_day_css4/ # :)
10:53 sri think it's a good idea to show more aspects of mojolicious in my hacks series
10:56 marcus sri: I like that you show you can manipulate the elements
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11:09 GitHub21 [mojo] kraih pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vYKiBA
11:09 GitHub21 [mojo/master] fixed typo - Sebastian Riedel
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11:16 sri argh, now posterous is down
11:17 noganex just like sco ;D
11:17 judofyr jesus, does DBIx::Class use all the dependencies available in CPAN?
11:19 crab sco?
11:19 purl do not use sco. sco bad. or not as good as linux or a waste of time or "systems which don't support ftruncate" or Search.Cpan.Org
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11:19 crab didn't sco die yet?
11:20 noganex sco list the final appeal. ;)
11:21 noganex now novell owns the copyrights and sco has to pay ;)
11:46 perlrocks Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel about Perl and the Web – Mojolicious hack of the day: CSS4 http://t.co/H6bdSvL" --geekspot_ru http://twitter.com/geekspot_​ru/status/108868281162674176
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11:52 sri hmm, is the web a bit fragile today or is it just my isp?
11:52 sri hackernews and the mac app store seem down
11:52 judofyr isn't the mac app store always down?
11:55 marcus works here
11:55 marcus sri: might be your isp
11:55 sri works again here too
11:55 sri could be aws
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12:44 perlrocks Twitter: "Sebastian Riedel (sri): Mojolicious hack of the day: CSS4 http://t.co/qBTx8oJ" --perlironman http://twitter.com/perlironm​an/status/108882872487772161
12:47 Sjors sri: is it possible to easily run a sed regexp on the Bytestream string?
12:47 Sjors other than saying Mojo::ByteStream->new($stream->to_string() =~ s/foo/bar/); // or similar
12:48 cosimo I have a Mojo application "mounted" on /somepath. Routes start with /login, /signup, etc...
12:48 Sjors sri: otherwise, could you add something like ->sed(s///) ?
12:48 Sjors or ->replace()
12:48 cosimo everytime I use either url_for() or redirect_to() it goes to /somepath/somepath/{login,signup}. How come?
12:51 cosimo and by "mounted", I mean a <Location /somepath> in Apache + Plack::Handler::Apache2
12:55 * cosimo takes a look at url_for()
13:07 marcus cosimo: sounds like your base is detected wrong
13:10 noganex all your base are belong to us!
13:14 cosimo marcus: any hint on how to avoid that?
13:17 cosimo i think i found the relevant section in the code
13:20 cosimo marcus: base is actually detected correctly, http://localhost/somepath
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13:38 cosimo aha, I think I found the problem!
13:39 cosimo I'm using ->redirect_to($c->url_for('/login')->query(...))
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13:39 cosimo so base is processed twice
13:39 cosimo ( unshift @{$path->parts}, @{$base->parts} )
13:40 cosimo to avoid this, IIUC, I should use ->redirect_to($c->url_for(​...)->query(...)->to_abs)
13:43 cosimo however, if $c->url_for()->query() is still some sort of object, it would be nice to let this object keep the knowledge of whether the "base processing" has already happened or not
13:43 cosimo just saying :)
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13:48 sri cosimo: feel free to improve it
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13:51 cosimo sri: I added a generic ->redirect_to_with_params($target, @params)
13:52 cosimo which uses ->to_abs() before ->redirect_to()
13:53 sri that does not sound like an improvement
13:53 sri but i've not looked at the url_for code, was expecting the generated base to be a little off or so
13:55 sri could just be a bug
13:57 sri just guessing though, and don't have time to look into it
14:05 cosimo sri: it's a shortcut for ->redirect_to($c->url_for()->query()->to_abs()), which isn't very appealing either
14:10 sri you should really look for the root of the problem instead of working around it
14:14 sri ah, it stringifies the url and reparses it, which makes the old base disappear
14:14 sri that could be fixed
14:17 sri cosimo: the workaround is pointless, you could just fix it in core
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14:17 cosimo sri: that's good
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14:26 elb0w Man this Mastering Regular Expressions really comes in handly
14:26 elb0w handy*
14:26 elb0w Nice having confidence when I use regex
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14:31 sri great book
14:31 sri i never leave home without it
14:31 sri seriously, i have it on my iphone :)
14:35 elb0w Yeah enjoying it
14:35 elb0w helped me already today
14:35 elb0w I always had an idea of what things did, nice having names to refer to them
14:37 marty good morning gang.
14:37 marty Got my very first smart phone yesterday. (Motorola Atrix, Android)  Pretty kewl.  I feel so, so, connected
14:38 marty Now I get what this angry birds thing is all about.  fun!  :)
14:41 sri :D
14:41 * sri is an angry birds addict
14:43 sri Sjors: dunno how that would fit in
14:44 sri b('123abc456')->match(qr/(\d)/)->join("\n")->say
14:44 sri i've just played with that, it's fun, but goes maybe a bit too far
14:46 sri next thing you'll have match vs. substitute and once vs. global
14:47 sri four methods for something very rarely used
14:47 sri doesn't seem worth it
14:48 sri but if there's a way to squeeze it into a single method i'm all ears
14:48 sri ruby callas global substutute .gsub btw
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15:16 sri hmm
15:16 sri i kinda like the idea of a method for global match though
15:28 judofyr sri: and that .match looks like .scan in Ruby
15:29 judofyr sri: isn't there a global flag on regexp? or does that work different?
15:29 elb0w /g
15:29 sri there is but you can't pass it around
15:29 elb0w thats what she said
15:29 judofyr
15:33 sri as far as i can see ruby makes the same distinction
15:34 sri after all why would you need sub and gsub… match and scan
15:35 judofyr sri: Ruby doesn't have /g though
15:36 judofyr and match behaves differently from scan
15:36 sri it's not actually part of the regex in perl either
15:36 judofyr ah
15:36 sri just says how you want to match the regex
15:37 sri anyway, the big question for today is "do we want b("lalala")->match(qr/la/)->…"?
15:40 sri too bad, i hate throwing away a dozen tests :S
15:40 judofyr I haven't really used b() at all
15:40 judofyr or any ByteString (or whatever it's called) methods
15:41 judofyr oh well, bye bye
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15:55 sri well, don't want to jump the shark, so no new additions to bytestream/collection unless we are certain they are useful
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17:08 elb0w man this books fuckin killin it for me
17:08 elb0w 2 issues today solved from shit within the first 3 chapters
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17:16 alnewkirk elb0w, do tell
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17:18 elb0w Just never really understood what I was using with regex
17:18 elb0w $ ^ wraping a m/ /
17:18 elb0w and proper use of + vs * today
17:18 elb0w helped me
17:19 elb0w mastering reg expressions
17:19 elb0w is the book im referring to
17:19 elb0w glad I bought it for $4 haha
17:21 alnewkirk just download the ebook for $0 :}
17:21 alnewkirk jk
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17:24 njlg Is there a subroutine in the Controller class that gets called before any actions? If not, what is the best way to make something like that?
17:25 alnewkirk njlg, for what purpose?
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17:28 njlg alnewkirk: all of my Controller's actions do exactly the same thing, so I want to put all of that code in another sub. I wondered if there was something like a setup sub for a controller, because that would be a good spot.
17:29 alnewkirk njlg, see http://mojolicio.us/perldoc​/Mojolicious/Guides/Routing
17:29 alnewkirk specifically bridges and waypoints
17:33 rwstauner does mojo::useragent accept gzip encoding?
17:35 sri rwstauner: no
17:36 rwstauner was that decided, or merely not implemented?
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17:37 sri rwstauner: not implemented
17:37 purl patches welcome
17:37 * sri pats purl
17:37 * purl stabs
17:38 rwstauner ok, i may look into that at some point
17:39 sri it's a bit tricky
17:39 sri gzip is in core, but only since 5.10 if i remember right, so it would have to be optional
17:40 rwstauner it probably would be for the streaming/looping stuff... might need to disable that if requested (not that i have any idea what i'm talking about)
17:40 sri not to mention our strict test requirements, which pretty much require client and server side implementations
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17:41 rwstauner i've got plenty on my plate, but i was curious
17:41 sri those are the points you should be aware of, if those are covered i'll gladly accept a patch :)
17:42 rwstauner i would definitely do tests for that before submitting a pull req :-)
17:43 rwstauner thanks
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17:57 njlg alnewkirk: thanks for the pointer. i wasn't sure looking at the documentation that bridges/waypoints were what I needed, but once I started experimenting i eventually got what I wanted.
17:57 alnewkirk njlg, np
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